Re: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line

[David Artman]

   That makes me suspect that you had a bad character encoding which,
   nevertheless, would render in the FM editing view, but 'fall down'
   during distillation.

   If you still have a copy of the 'bad' URL, try to paste it into
   Notepad++ and see if it goes weird (looking like, for example,
   "���®").

   *shrug*

   David

    Original Message 
   Subject: Re: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line
   From: "Carol J. Elkins" <[1]celk...@awrittenword.com>
   Date: Thu, June 15, 2017 3:07 pm
   To: [2]framers@lists.frameusers.com
   Thanks everyone. After literally hundreds of experiments to try to
   isolate the problem, I finally made it go away without understanding
   what caused the problem in the first place. That's never my preference.
   To make it go away, I copied the URL to Notebook and then copy/pasted
   it into a new Frame file. I applied the Link character tag and
   hypertext marker and then copied the entire string back into the
   original Frame file, overwriting the original URL. Problem went away.
   Carol

References

   1. mailto:celk...@awrittenword.com
   2. mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
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Re: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line

[Carol J. Elkins]

Thanks Oran! Having overwritten the original problem URL, I can't 
test it now to see if the hyphens were the problem. They are not 
causing a problem in the "fixed" URL.


I hadn't realized that hyphens were on the do-not-use list for 
page-link URLs. I know that one should not use hypens in a domain 
name (e.g., thisdomainname.com), but I can't find an authoritative 
source than condemns hyphens in page-link URLs (e.g., 
thisdomainname.com/linktoapage.htm). Although debated, I can find 
plenty of non-authoritative sources that say hyphens are preferred 
over underscores in page-link URLs. Can you point me to a source that 
I can use if I pass this recommendation on to my clients?


Regardless, I can't do much with URLs that are not of my design, but 
I will remember your suggestion when troubleshooting this problem if 
it happens again.


Carol

At 01:54 PM 6/15/2017, you wrote:
I have experienced issues with URL's that have hyphens. I did not 
include the http://. they began with www. These resolved to garbage 
in the pdf. URLs without http:// and no hyphen resolved correctly. 
Frame assumes the http:// in most cases. While your problem is 
somewhat different, I surmise that the several hyphens in your long 
string are the issue. The fact that only the https:// is hot further 
supports this premise.


For troubleshooting, I would remove the hyphens to confirm the 
quality of the resulting link, particularly the hot portion. Of 
course it will not work, but you will have discovered the problem. 
In general, I have found that hyphens in URLs are a bad idea.

Oran Petersen


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Re: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line

[Oran Petersen]

I have experienced issues with URL's that have hyphens. I did not include the 
http://. they began with www. These resolved to garbage in the pdf. URLs 
without http:// and no hyphen resolved correctly. Frame assumes the http:// in 
most cases. While your problem is somewhat different, I surmise that the 
several hyphens in your long string are the issue. The fact that only the 
https:// is hot further supports this premise.

For troubleshooting, I would remove the hyphens to confirm the quality of the 
resulting link, particularly the hot portion. Of course it will not work, but 
you will have discovered the problem. In general, I have found that hyphens in 
URLs are a bad idea.
Oran Petersen
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Re: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line

[grant]

   Perhaps a silly question,but is the entire link tagged with a single
   format? (e.g. "Link").

   If it appears to be correctly tagged, I would save as MIF and go look
   at the link section. You can move the end of the tag to the end of the
   link text there, which should fix the situation.

   Grant

 On June 9, 2017 at 2:31 PM "Carol J. Elkins"
  wrote:

 Well, thanks to these suggestions, I'm starting to whittle down the
 problem but still don't know how to fix it. Disabling Acrobat's
 "Create links from URLs" feature helped me to identify the actual
 problem: When I select the link in the PDF and view its properties,
 the entire link text is there, so Frame's marker text was correctly
 passed on. But the invisible rectangle around the box that defines
 the active area for the link is only as wide as the http:// part of
 the link.

 On that same page, I've added ginormously long test URLs (from
 Amazon) that wrap across several lines and they all perform
 correctly
 in the resulting PDF. So there is something going on with this URL
 that is preventing the text after the http:// from being included in
 the PDF's active link. Here is the URL again:

 [1]http://advancedbiofuelsusa.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/11-030
 7-Biodiesel-vs-Renewable_Final-_3_-JJY-formatting-FINAL.pdf

 Can anyone see anything in this URL that would offend Frame?

 Monique, yes I'm using a hypertext marker.

 Carol

 At 01:36 PM 6/9/2017, Rick Quatro wrote:

 Carol, I am pretty sure Monique is right. In Acrobat's preferences,
 General
 Category, uncheck Create links from URLs. -Rick

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References

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   2. http://www.frameusers.com/
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Re: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line

[Carol J. Elkins]

No, the Amazon links are all amazon.com.  But just to check, I added 
a link to a .info URL on the same page with the other test links, and 
it performed correctly. So the problem must be after the domain name 
in the URL.


Carol

At 02:40 PM 6/9/2017, you wrote:

Grasping at straws: are the working links also .info?
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Re: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line

[Monique Semp]

Grasping at straws: are the working links also .info?
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Re: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line

[Carol J. Elkins]

Well, thanks to these suggestions, I'm starting to whittle down the 
problem but still don't know how to fix it. Disabling Acrobat's 
"Create links from URLs" feature helped me to identify the actual 
problem: When I select the link in the PDF and view its properties, 
the entire link text is there, so Frame's marker text was correctly 
passed on. But the invisible rectangle around the box that defines 
the active area for the link is only as wide as the http:// part of the link.


On that same page, I've added ginormously long test URLs (from 
Amazon) that wrap across several lines and they all perform correctly 
in the resulting PDF.  So there is something going on with this URL 
that is preventing the text after the http:// from being included in 
the PDF's active link. Here is the URL again:


http://advancedbiofuelsusa.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/11-0307-Biodiesel-vs-Renewable_Final-_3_-JJY-formatting-FINAL.pdf

Can anyone see anything in this URL that would offend Frame?

Monique, yes I'm using a hypertext marker.

Carol

At 01:36 PM 6/9/2017, Rick Quatro wrote:

Carol, I am pretty sure Monique is right. In Acrobat's preferences, General
Category, uncheck Create links from URLs. -Rick


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Re: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line

[Fred Ridder]

Does "Adobe PDF" appear in your printers list? Adobe changed the displayed name 
for the Distiller virtual printer at least four times that I can remember, but 
it's been "Adobe PDF" for a while, now.


-FR



From: Framers <framers-bounces+docudoc=hotmail@lists.frameusers.com> on 
behalf of Monique Semp <monique.s...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 3:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line

> Monique, without tampering with the hypertext marker, if you skinny
down the page margins to force a URL to break to a second line and
then print that page to .ps and distill, can you create my problem or
does your resulting link in the PDF work correctly?

? Do you mean narrow my email message and then print the email message to
.ps and distill? (If I try that, the distiller doesn't show up in my
available printers list.)

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Re: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line

[Monique Semp]

So aside from the link char tag, is the text also using the Hypertext 
marker? If not, I don't think that the FrameMaker publish/print process will 
create the actual hyperlink, and that what's been working so far is just 
Acrobats *viewing* feature. So the same PDF could have working links on one 
person's machine but not on another person's machine, based on the person's 
Acrobat preferences.


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Re: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line

[Monique Semp]

Monique, without tampering with the hypertext marker, if you skinny

down the page margins to force a URL to break to a second line and
then print that page to .ps and distill, can you create my problem or
does your resulting link in the PDF work correctly?

? Do you mean narrow my email message and then print the email message to 
.ps and distill? (If I try that, the distiller doesn't show up in my 
available printers list.) 


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Re: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line

[Rick Quatro]

Carol, I am pretty sure Monique is right. In Acrobat's preferences, General
Category, uncheck Create links from URLs. -Rick

-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Monique Semp
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 3:05 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line

A remote possibility: The publish process isn't actually creating the
hyperlink, but it appears so because Acrobat generally (by default, I
believe) creates links from URLs (via the "Preferences > General > Create
links form URLs" setting). If this is the case, then I'd guess it's
Acrobat's rendering that's at issue, and that ensuring that the production
process is actually using the format and creating the links would fix the
problem. 

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Re: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line

[Carol J. Elkins]

Hi Penelope and Monique,

Thanks for the suggestions. I print to PS and then distill using the 
Press Quality job option. Frame is set to "Generate Acrobat data." So 
unless I'm totally misunderstanding the process, when Frame prints to 
a .ps file, Acrobat itself really has nothing to do with the 
hyptertext link generation process.


Monique, without tampering with the hypertext marker, if you skinny 
down the page margins to force a URL to break to a second line and 
then print that page to .ps and distill, can you create my problem or 
does your resulting link in the PDF work correctly?


Carol

At 01:14 PM 6/9/2017, Penelope Perkins wrote:

Hi Carol,

I think Monique is on to something. Your URL works fine for me in FM 
12 and Acrobat 11. But I can get it to break in the PDF if I remove 
the hypertext marker in Frame and then rely on Acrobat's "Create 
links from URLs" option.


So, for some reason, even though the hypertext marker is there in 
Frame, it isn't getting processed. How are you creating the PDF? If 
you print to PS and then distill, verify that "Generate Acrobat 
data" is selected in the Print dialogue.


Regards,
Penelope


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Re: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line

[Penelope Perkins]

Hi Carol,

I think Monique is on to something. Your URL works fine for me in FM 12 and 
Acrobat 11. But I can get it to break in the PDF if I remove the hypertext 
marker in Frame and then rely on Acrobat's "Create links from URLs" option. 

So, for some reason, even though the hypertext marker is there in Frame, it 
isn't getting processed. How are you creating the PDF? If you print to PS and 
then distill, verify that "Generate Acrobat data" is selected in the Print 
dialogue. 

Regards,
Penelope

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+penelope.perkins=synergex@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 11:43 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line

Framers, I have several URLs in Frame12 that span more than one line. 
The hypertext link contains the full URL, and the URL is assigned the 
Link character tag.

message URL 
http://advancedbiofuelsusa.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/11-0307-Biodiesel-vs-Renewable_Final-_3_-JJY-formatting-FINAL.pdf

Because the URL is so long, it breaks across the line in Frame. When 
the PDF is generated, only the text in the first line of the URL is 
rendered active (there is no line break), and thus the link returns a 
404 error. There are no blank spaces in the URL. Is there a way to 
avoid this other than having to manually edit the link each time I 
regenerate the PDF?

Carol

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Re: [Framers] active URLs spanning more than one line

[Monique Semp]

A remote possibility: The publish process isn't actually creating the 
hyperlink, but it appears so because Acrobat generally (by default, I 
believe) creates links from URLs (via the "Preferences > General > Create 
links form URLs" setting). If this is the case, then I'd guess it's 
Acrobat's rendering that's at issue, and that ensuring that the production 
process is actually using the format and creating the links would fix the 
problem. 


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