Re: FM abruptly closes with no save
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:02:59 -0800, Diane Gaskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I run FM8.02 on a laptop running XPSP2 with 2GB of RAM. I have recently experienced several crashes in situations that I never had crashes with when using FM7.0. I'm running 8.02 also, but on Win2K Pro SP4... and see *no* crashes. That makes me wonder if the trouble is related to a new feature that does not exist on 2K but does on XP and Vista: activation. All other features seem to be supported on all WinOS flavors... One reason we've never considered using such security on Mif2Go is that it can have just such undesirable side effects. Just a thought about where to look, Adobe. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM abruptly closes with no save
Indeed Diane, I have also experienced some crashes with Frame 8 (and I'm also running XPSP2 with 2 GB of RAM). When I did the same actions in Frame 7.2, everything was fine. I do hope the Adobe people are monitoring this list and that we get a patch soon which makes Frame 8.0 crash-proof. Stability has always been one of the key features of FrameMaker. I hope I can keep emphasizing this in my future Frame sales pitches. Kind regards Yves Barbion Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor Scripto Belgium Diane Gaskill wrote: Hi Framers, I run FM8.02 on a laptop running XPSP2 with 2GB of RAM. I have recently experienced several crashes in situations that I never had crashes with when using FM7.0. Sometimes it saves and I get a recovery file, but most of the time it does not save, it just halts and the FM window closes. When it comes back up, it acts like nothing happened. No error messages, no nothing. Business as usual. Wot, who me? I know that Adobe people do monitor this list (and have for many years) so I need to ask - what is the best way to report this? I have a couple of dumps I can send. I'd also suggest to the other FM users on the list who have posted about their crashes, that they report their crashes too. Posting them on the list is good and maybe someone knows a workaround for some situations, but the more Adobe has to work with, the better chance they have of finding the bug and fixing it. It sounds like a bug to me. Diane Gaskill (former tech support engineer) = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brewster, Christopher C Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:08 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did my process again and saved after each insertion. No problems occurred. But I think software should handle a memory issue much more gracefully than simply closing without saving-such as warning me, or refusing to execute the step that would make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?) From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:50 PM To: Shmuel Wolfson Cc: Brewster, Christopher C; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save Hi... No one in this thread has mentioned that, when working with graphics, FrameMaker likes to have plenty of RAM available to it, especially if other applications are open and also have images loaded. There's no rule of thumb that I know of, but I wouldn't attempt to do much with multiple graphic files unless I had at least 1GB or preferably 2GB or more of RAM on my system. 512MB or less is an invitation to a crash. Dennis Brunnenmeyer eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com ** At 09:14 AM 2/13/2008, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: I've had it close when scrolling a document that has embedded Corel graphics, when I scrolled too fast and did not wait for the embedded graphics to appear. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM abruptly closes with no save
Hi Framers, I run FM8.02 on a laptop running XPSP2 with 2GB of RAM. I have recently experienced several crashes in situations that I never had crashes with when using FM7.0. Sometimes it saves and I get a recovery file, but most of the time it does not save, it just halts and the FM window closes. When it comes back up, it acts like nothing happened. No error messages, no nothing. Business as usual. Wot, who me? I know that Adobe people do monitor this list (and have for many years) so I need to ask - what is the best way to report this? I have a couple of dumps I can send. I'd also suggest to the other FM users on the list who have posted about their crashes, that they report their crashes too. Posting them on the list is good and maybe someone knows a workaround for some situations, but the more Adobe has to work with, the better chance they have of finding the bug and fixing it. It sounds like a bug to me. Diane Gaskill (former tech support engineer) = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brewster, Christopher C Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:08 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did my process again and saved after each insertion. No problems occurred. But I think software should handle a memory issue much more gracefully than simply closing without saving-such as warning me, or refusing to execute the step that would make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?) From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:50 PM To: Shmuel Wolfson Cc: Brewster, Christopher C; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save Hi... No one in this thread has mentioned that, when working with graphics, FrameMaker likes to have plenty of RAM available to it, especially if other applications are open and also have images loaded. There's no rule of thumb that I know of, but I wouldn't attempt to do much with multiple graphic files unless I had at least 1GB or preferably 2GB or more of RAM on my system. 512MB or less is an invitation to a crash. Dennis Brunnenmeyer eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com ** At 09:14 AM 2/13/2008, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: I've had it close when scrolling a document that has embedded Corel graphics, when I scrolled too fast and did not wait for the embedded graphics to appear. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM abruptly closes with no save
I know that Adobe people do monitor this list (and have for many years) so I need to ask - what is the best way to report this? I have a couple of dumps I can send. Adobe has a bug report form at this address: http://www.adobe.com/misc/bugreport.html I've had them ask for sample files after I've reported a bug. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM abruptly closes with no save
Same here Frame 8 with latest patch, 2 gig RAM, Dell Latitude laptop. These symptoms are the exact same as I have experienced. Frame 7.2 ran just fine. Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 5:21 AM To: Diane Gaskill Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save Indeed Diane, I have also experienced some crashes with Frame 8 (and I'm also running XPSP2 with 2 GB of RAM). When I did the same actions in Frame 7.2, everything was fine. I do hope the Adobe people are monitoring this list and that we get a patch soon which makes Frame 8.0 crash-proof. Stability has always been one of the key features of FrameMaker. I hope I can keep emphasizing this in my future Frame sales pitches. Kind regards Yves Barbion Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor Scripto Belgium Diane Gaskill wrote: Hi Framers, I run FM8.02 on a laptop running XPSP2 with 2GB of RAM. I have recently experienced several crashes in situations that I never had crashes with when using FM7.0. Sometimes it saves and I get a recovery file, but most of the time it does not save, it just halts and the FM window closes. When it comes back up, it acts like nothing happened. No error messages, no nothing. Business as usual. Wot, who me? I know that Adobe people do monitor this list (and have for many years) so I need to ask - what is the best way to report this? I have a couple of dumps I can send. I'd also suggest to the other FM users on the list who have posted about their crashes, that they report their crashes too. Posting them on the list is good and maybe someone knows a workaround for some situations, but the more Adobe has to work with, the better chance they have of finding the bug and fixing it. It sounds like a bug to me. Diane Gaskill (former tech support engineer) = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brewster, Christopher C Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:08 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did my process again and saved after each insertion. No problems occurred. But I think software should handle a memory issue much more gracefully than simply closing without saving-such as warning me, or refusing to execute the step that would make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?) From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:50 PM To: Shmuel Wolfson Cc: Brewster, Christopher C; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save Hi... No one in this thread has mentioned that, when working with graphics, FrameMaker likes to have plenty of RAM available to it, especially if other applications are open and also have images loaded. There's no rule of thumb that I know of, but I wouldn't attempt to do much with multiple graphic files unless I had at least 1GB or preferably 2GB or more of RAM on my system. 512MB or less is an invitation to a crash. Dennis Brunnenmeyer eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com ** At 09:14 AM 2/13/2008, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: I've had it close when scrolling a document that has embedded Corel graphics, when I scrolled too fast and did not wait for the embedded graphics to appear. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/richard.melanson%40us.tel.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL
Re: FM abruptly closes with no save
FM 7.2 XP. When looking for a way to remove a ghost revision bar at the end of a paragraph last in a section in Structured FM (5 or 6 levels closing), I went to Format Document Change Bars. When clicking on that (with the elements highlighted), FM crashed without saving of any sort, only showing an error message for a moment and telling it must close. My first experience in this direction for a long time. I have not tried to regenerate this error. Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Air Atlanta Icelandic. -- It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious. -- Edsel Murphy, dec. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM abruptly closes with no save
In the MIFfed file I found the offending rascal. Between the closing of the second last and the last Section level elements, where there should have been nothing, I found: Font FTag `' FChangeBar Yes FLocked No # end of Font It seemed impossible to get to it in FM itself. Deleting these lines in the MIF cleared the change bar. So this (or something similar) is what to look for in the MIF in such cases. Bodvar On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FM 7.2 XP. When looking for a way to remove a ghost revision bar at the end of a paragraph last in a section in Structured FM (5 or 6 levels closing), I went to Format Document Change Bars. When clicking on that (with the elements highlighted), FM crashed without saving of any sort, only showing an error message for a moment and telling it must close. My first experience in this direction for a long time. I have not tried to regenerate this error. Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Air Atlanta Icelandic. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM abruptly closes with no save
Yes, that happened to me last week too. I was resizing an anchored frame. Also 7.1 on XP SP2. It just quit. Suddenly it was there, then it wasn't. No message. I thought my eyes had gone funny... Roger Shuttleworth Technical Publications TVWorks Canada, Inc. 150 Dufferin Avenue London, Ontario N6A 5N6 Canada Tel. 519 963-4368 www.tvworks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilk, Susan Sent: February 12, 2008 10:32 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save I have been experiencing the same problem as Christopher. I am running FrameMaker 7.1 on Windows XP. (And Christopher, I am not a newbie--I have been using Fm for well over 10 years.) The last time FM crashed in this way, I had just imported an image (gif), reduced the size, and was adjusting the frame with the bottom center handle. Susan Sackett-Wilk The TriZetto Group Irving, Texas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Rourke Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:19 PM To: 'Brewster, Christopher C'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save You might try saving the powerpoint image as a png / bmp / gif, and then do a import file. What version of FM, what platform? Pete Rourke Chandler, AZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brewster, Christopher C Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:11 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FM abruptly closes with no save I've been learning FM in the middle of a project, and it sometimes seems a bit ornery. I'm inserting graphics linked from a Powerpoint file. First I do Special Anchored Frame, and set Top of column. Then I paste the graphic into the frame. Twice today, after I have done this process 5 or 10 times, I perform the first step and suddenly FM closes without saving. Since contemporary software usually includes a Newbie Detector Module to make things more exciting for the beginner, maybe someone could suggest a way to make myself less obvious to the NDM. Thanks. Christopher C. Brewster Lockheed Martin ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/susan.wilk%40trizett o.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/roger_shuttleworth%40tvworks.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM abruptly closes with no save
I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did my process again and saved after each insertion. No problems occurred. But I think software should handle a memory issue much more gracefully than simply closing without saving-such as warning me, or refusing to execute the step that would make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?) From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:50 PM To: Shmuel Wolfson Cc: Brewster, Christopher C; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save Hi... No one in this thread has mentioned that, when working with graphics, FrameMaker likes to have plenty of RAM available to it, especially if other applications are open and also have images loaded. There's no rule of thumb that I know of, but I wouldn't attempt to do much with multiple graphic files unless I had at least 1GB or preferably 2GB or more of RAM on my system. 512MB or less is an invitation to a crash. Dennis Brunnenmeyer eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com ** At 09:14 AM 2/13/2008, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: I've had it close when scrolling a document that has embedded Corel graphics, when I scrolled too fast and did not wait for the embedded graphics to appear. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM abruptly closes with no save
Brewster, Christopher C wrote: I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did my process again and saved after each insertion. No problems occurred. But I think software should handle a memory issue much more gracefully than simply closing without saving-such as warning me, or refusing to execute the step that would make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?) You're right, of course, FM should handle the problem much more gracefully. But let me re-emphasize advice you got earlier and chose to ignore: Don't use OLE! It's OK for one or two Visio drawings or PowerPoint slides, but each time you do that, you're adding to the FM file all the code needed to load the graphic's native application and edit it in place. The overhead is huge and complex. You have Acrobat, right? Or at least Distiller, since it comes with FM. You're much better off creating PDFs of your Visio or PowerPoint graphics and importing those by reference (File Import File, Import By Reference). Then, when a graphic changes, you just PDF it again (same name and location, overwriting the previous version). FM sees that the referenced file is newer, and your doc is updated automatically. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM abruptly closes with no save
As to why I'm inserting graphics with links, I explained this in a couple of individual emails so I'll just say it again. I inherited this project from an outside consultant. For now I have to stick with the documents as they're currently done. The consultant company puts its screen shots in a Powerpoint. Each Ppt slide is then copied into the FM document using Paste Special, and using the Linked document option in that dialog (and I mean the whole slide, not just the graphic on it). The irony of all this is that my own company wants the whole thing moved over to Word when it's possible. But right now I'm using FM documents that have been APPROVED, which is (as you know) a corporate term meaning they can't be changed other than adding new material. -Original Message- From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:32 AM To: Brewster, Christopher C; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save Brewster, Christopher C wrote: I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did my process again and saved after each insertion. No problems occurred. But I think software should handle a memory issue much more gracefully than simply closing without saving-such as warning me, or refusing to execute the step that would make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?) You're right, of course, FM should handle the problem much more gracefully. But let me re-emphasize advice you got earlier and chose to ignore: Don't use OLE! It's OK for one or two Visio drawings or PowerPoint slides, but each time you do that, you're adding to the FM file all the code needed to load the graphic's native application and edit it in place. The overhead is huge and complex. You have Acrobat, right? Or at least Distiller, since it comes with FM. You're much better off creating PDFs of your Visio or PowerPoint graphics and importing those by reference (File Import File, Import By Reference). Then, when a graphic changes, you just PDF it again (same name and location, overwriting the previous version). FM sees that the referenced file is newer, and your doc is updated automatically. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM abruptly closes with no save
I was going to stay out of this, but it happens to me every day of the week -- whenever I try to use my mouse and the Framemaker scroll bar (instead of touchpad scroll or arrows/pg up/down). Random crashes. Has nothing to do with graphics. Just reaching for/moving the scroll bar with a certain velocity. It happened with 7.1 and I was hoping it'd be fixed by 7.2. but no go. I searched once for a bug/solution and never saw it mentioned so I figured it was my machine. But it's been happening for at least a year now even after I switched machines... L. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilk, Susan Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 7:32 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save I have been experiencing the same problem as Christopher. I am running FrameMaker 7.1 on Windows XP. (And Christopher, I am not a newbie--I have been using Fm for well over 10 years.) The last time FM crashed in this way, I had just imported an image (gif), reduced the size, and was adjusting the frame with the bottom center handle. Susan Sackett-Wilk The TriZetto Group Irving, Texas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Rourke Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:19 PM To: 'Brewster, Christopher C'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save You might try saving the powerpoint image as a png / bmp / gif, and then do a import file. What version of FM, what platform? Pete Rourke Chandler, AZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brewster, Christopher C Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:11 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FM abruptly closes with no save I've been learning FM in the middle of a project, and it sometimes seems a bit ornery. I'm inserting graphics linked from a Powerpoint file. First I do Special Anchored Frame, and set Top of column. Then I paste the graphic into the frame. Twice today, after I have done this process 5 or 10 times, I perform the first step and suddenly FM closes without saving. Since contemporary software usually includes a Newbie Detector Module to make things more exciting for the beginner, maybe someone could suggest a way to make myself less obvious to the NDM. Thanks. Christopher C. Brewster Lockheed Martin ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/susan.wilk%40trizett o.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lchen%40informatica. com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM abruptly closes with no save
When you paste a slide from PowerPoint into FrameMaker, it will be inserted as an OLE object (Object Linking and Embedding). And sometimes, OLE objects don't behave well. As Pete said, you may want to export your slides as png files and import those by reference into FrameMaker. Or you can create a PDF file of the PowerPoint Presentation and import the pages of this PDF into FrameMaker. Good luck. Yves Barbion Managing Director Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor Scripto bvba Belgium Pete Rourke wrote: You might try saving the powerpoint image as a png / bmp / gif, and then do a import file. What version of FM, what platform? Pete Rourke Chandler, AZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brewster, Christopher C Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:11 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FM abruptly closes with no save I've been learning FM in the middle of a project, and it sometimes seems a bit ornery. I'm inserting graphics linked from a Powerpoint file. First I do Special Anchored Frame, and set Top of column. Then I paste the graphic into the frame. Twice today, after I have done this process 5 or 10 times, I perform the first step and suddenly FM closes without saving. Since contemporary software usually includes a Newbie Detector Module to make things more exciting for the beginner, maybe someone could suggest a way to make myself less obvious to the NDM. Thanks. Christopher C. Brewster Lockheed Martin ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM abruptly closes with no save
I've had it close when scrolling a document that has embedded Corel graphics, when I scrolled too fast and did not wait for the embedded graphics to appear. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 Pete Rourke wrote: Christopher - We are on the same version. I've never experienced the program close on the scroll bar, but on my current project I have a larger than average number of screen shot pictures. My document is primarily for PDF reading online so I'm not going to press at all, so for this project, I'm not using EPS. What I like about the saved image is that if developers make an alteration on a screen form, I just replace the image file and it updates in the book. BTW: I'm an old newbie. I used FM on Sun Micro Solaris waaay back and am now back to neophyte! :) Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brewster, Christopher C Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:39 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FW: FM abruptly closes with no save Pete-- I'm using FM 8 on Windows XP. I got one suggestion that the scroll bar sometimes makes the program close, but I think it was when I inserted the new frame that it happened. Anyway, Save will now be part of my iterative process. -Original Message- From: Pete Rourke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:19 PM Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save You might try saving the powerpoint image as a png / bmp / gif, and then do a import file. What version of FM, what platform? Pete Rourke Chandler, AZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brewster, Christopher C Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:11 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FM abruptly closes with no save I've been learning FM in the middle of a project, and it sometimes seems a bit ornery. I'm inserting graphics linked from a Powerpoint file. First I do Special Anchored Frame, and set Top of column. Then I paste the graphic into the frame. Twice today, after I have done this process 5 or 10 times, I perform the first step and suddenly FM closes without saving. Since contemporary software usually includes a Newbie Detector Module to make things more exciting for the beginner, maybe someone could suggest a way to make myself less obvious to the NDM. Thanks. Christopher C. Brewster Lockheed Martin ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sbw%40actcom.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM abruptly closes with no save
Christopher - We are on the same version. I've never experienced the program close on the scroll bar, but on my current project I have a larger than average number of screen shot pictures. My document is primarily for PDF reading online so I'm not going to press at all, so for this project, I'm not using EPS. What I like about the saved image is that if developers make an alteration on a screen form, I just replace the image file and it updates in the book. BTW: I'm an old newbie. I used FM on Sun Micro Solaris waaay back and am now back to neophyte! :) Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brewster, Christopher C Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:39 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FW: FM abruptly closes with no save Pete-- I'm using FM 8 on Windows XP. I got one suggestion that the scroll bar sometimes makes the program close, but I think it was when I inserted the new frame that it happened. Anyway, Save will now be part of my iterative process. -Original Message- From: Pete Rourke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:19 PM Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save You might try saving the powerpoint image as a png / bmp / gif, and then do a import file. What version of FM, what platform? Pete Rourke Chandler, AZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brewster, Christopher C Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:11 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FM abruptly closes with no save I've been learning FM in the middle of a project, and it sometimes seems a bit ornery. I'm inserting graphics linked from a Powerpoint file. First I do Special Anchored Frame, and set Top of column. Then I paste the graphic into the frame. Twice today, after I have done this process 5 or 10 times, I perform the first step and suddenly FM closes without saving. Since contemporary software usually includes a Newbie Detector Module to make things more exciting for the beginner, maybe someone could suggest a way to make myself less obvious to the NDM. Thanks. Christopher C. Brewster Lockheed Martin ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM abruptly closes with no save
Christopher - We are on the same version. I've never experienced the program close on the scroll bar, but on my current project I have a larger than average number of screen shot pictures. My document is primarily for PDF reading online so I'm not going to press at all, so for this project, I'm not using EPS. What I like about the saved image is that if developers make an alteration on a screen form, I just replace the image file and it updates in the book. BTW: I'm an old newbie. I used FM on Sun Micro Solaris waaay back and am now back to neophyte! :) Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brewster, Christopher C Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:39 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FW: FM abruptly closes with no save Pete-- I'm using FM 8 on Windows XP. I got one suggestion that the scroll bar sometimes makes the program close, but I think it was when I inserted the new frame that it happened. Anyway, Save will now be part of my iterative process. -Original Message- From: Pete Rourke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:19 PM Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save You might try saving the powerpoint image as a png / bmp / gif, and then do a import file. What version of FM, what platform? Pete Rourke Chandler, AZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brewster, Christopher C Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:11 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FM abruptly closes with no save I've been learning FM in the middle of a project, and it sometimes seems a bit ornery. I'm inserting graphics linked from a Powerpoint file. First I do Special Anchored Frame, and set Top of column. Then I paste the graphic into the frame. Twice today, after I have done this process 5 or 10 times, I perform the first step and suddenly FM closes without saving. Since contemporary software usually includes a Newbie Detector Module to make things more exciting for the beginner, maybe someone could suggest a way to make myself less obvious to the NDM. Thanks. Christopher C. Brewster Lockheed Martin ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM abruptly closes with no save
You might try saving the powerpoint image as a png / bmp / gif, and then do a import file. What version of FM, what platform? Pete Rourke Chandler, AZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brewster, Christopher C Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:11 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FM abruptly closes with no save I've been learning FM in the middle of a project, and it sometimes seems a bit ornery. I'm inserting graphics linked from a Powerpoint file. First I do Special Anchored Frame, and set Top of column. Then I paste the graphic into the frame. Twice today, after I have done this process 5 or 10 times, I perform the first step and suddenly FM closes without saving. Since contemporary software usually includes a Newbie Detector Module to make things more exciting for the beginner, maybe someone could suggest a way to make myself less obvious to the NDM. Thanks. Christopher C. Brewster Lockheed Martin ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
