Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Hi Avraham, do you know the plugin-ins coming with TOOLBOX (www.toolboxforme.com)? See the features with Formats these are free and they will bring you a very big benefit. TOOLBOX is very easy to install and you can use more features everytime, such as... ...Formats: Add, Delete unused, ... paragraph, character, table and xref formats Add, Delete, ... color an variables in a document or book. ... Rename Format Names by Configuration: Optimize your formats with less defined formats. Make a list and start the renaming by configuration. ...Format List: List all used and defined formats in the document or book. Test it - you will be happy. - GEorg --- Your question: Subject: To remove local formatting from a paragraph Hi all, In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently defined in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when you place the cursor on the paragraph. In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this with a ResetPara command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q. TIA avraham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Hi Avraham, do you know the plugin-ins coming with TOOLBOX (www.toolboxforme.com)? See the features with "Formats" these are free and they will bring you a very big benefit. TOOLBOX is very easy to install and you can use more features everytime, such as... ...Formats: Add, Delete unused, ... paragraph, character, table and xref formats Add, Delete, ... color an variables in a document or book. ... Rename Format Names by Configuration: Optimize your formats with less defined formats. Make a list and start the renaming by configuration. ...Format List: List all used and defined formats in the document or book. Test it - you will be happy. - GEorg --- Your question: Subject: To remove local formatting from a paragraph Hi all, In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently defined in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when you place the cursor on the paragraph. In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this with a ResetPara command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q. TIA avraham
Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Hello Avraham, For a detailed report of the paragraph format overrides see the free FrameScript Report: Paragraph Format Overrides: http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/free-scripts/report-paragraph-format-overrides.html Additionally, there are some other scripts regarding overrides: Report: Format Overrides: http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/quality-pack/report-format-overrides.html Show Paragraph Format Overrides: http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/quality-pack/show-paragraph-format-overrides.html Convert Character Formatting to Tags: http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/free-scripts/convert-character-formatting-to-tags.html Kind regards, Klaus Müller, itl AG --- Original Message --- From: Avraham Makeler Date: 26.09.2010 20:15 Hi all, In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently defined in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when you place the cursor on the paragraph. In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this with a ResetPara command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q. TIA avraham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Hello Avraham, For a detailed report of the paragraph format overrides see the free FrameScript "Report: Paragraph Format Overrides": http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/free-scripts/report-paragraph-format-overrides.html Additionally, there are some other scripts regarding overrides: Report: Format Overrides: http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/quality-pack/report-format-overrides.html Show Paragraph Format Overrides: http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/quality-pack/show-paragraph-format-overrides.html Convert Character Formatting to Tags: http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/free-scripts/convert-character-formatting-to-tags.html Kind regards, Klaus M?ller, itl AG --- Original Message --- From: Avraham Makeler Date: 26.09.2010 20:15 > Hi all, > > In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from > a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style > (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently defined > in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when > you place the cursor on the paragraph. > > In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this with a ResetPara > command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q. > > TIA > > avraham
Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
If you need to not only restore default paragraph properties but also to list or report on them, take a look at the Hunt Overrides Frame plug-in from Cudspan: http://www.cudspan.net/plugins/. Description: Lists instances of paragraph format overrides, separating overrides that are only due to page-breaks from other overrides. The list is a hypertext document you can use to navigate to the override instance. The website indicates that it is compatible up to FM8; I couldn't speculate on FM9 compability but I wouldn't bet against it. Best, Leigh ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
A few points... I have a freeware tool called HuntOverrides that gives you a list of pgfs with overrides. It generates a hypertext list of pgfs that have overrides. You can navigate to them and fix them. Find it at cudspan.net... It occurred to me to make a tool that wipes out overrides, but for a full doc or book I think you can do that via Import Formats. So I never bothered. I guess it could make sense to make a tool like that, but I probably won't get around to it. On a similar vein, it would be easy to make a tool that reapplies the catalog format for the current pgf. You could also make it wipe out any properly applied char formatting, I suppose (maybe two different choices). Still, I'm not making so many tools these days, so I may not get around to that for a while... There's one problem with applied char formatting, whether from the catalog of ad-hoc. If you apply formatting to the last character in a paragraph, then it applies that to the pgf symbol as well. So you might make the pgf symbol bold. In that case, the formatting is kind of sticky, and you usually have to click around a bit before you can remove that formatting from the pgf. For that reason, I *always* add an extra space at the end of a pgf if I need to format the last word in it. I also happen to have a tool that maps new templates to legacy documents. It turns out I have to add a space at the end of every paragraph if I'm swapping out char formats, for this very reason. Otherwise, the tool ends up not knowing when a char format has ended. My bug, or FrameMaker's? Who cares... HTH (but probably doesn't) cud ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
If you need to not only restore default paragraph properties but also to list or report on them, take a look at the Hunt Overrides Frame plug-in from Cudspan: http://www.cudspan.net/plugins/. Description: "Lists instances of paragraph format overrides, separating overrides that are only due to page-breaks from other overrides. The list is a hypertext document you can use to navigate to the override instance. " The website indicates that it is compatible up to FM8; I couldn't speculate on FM9 compability but I wouldn't bet against it. Best, Leigh
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
A few points... I have a freeware tool called HuntOverrides that gives you a list of pgfs with overrides. It generates a hypertext list of pgfs that have overrides. You can navigate to them and fix them. Find it at cudspan.net... It occurred to me to make a tool that wipes out overrides, but for a full doc or book I think you can do that via Import Formats. So I never bothered. I guess it could make sense to make a tool like that, but I probably won't get around to it. On a similar vein, it would be easy to make a tool that reapplies the catalog format for the current pgf. You could also make it wipe out any properly applied char formatting, I suppose (maybe two different choices). Still, I'm not making so many tools these days, so I may not get around to that for a while... There's one problem with applied char formatting, whether from the catalog of ad-hoc. If you apply formatting to the last character in a paragraph, then it applies that to the pgf symbol as well. So you might make the pgf symbol bold. In that case, the formatting is kind of sticky, and you usually have to click around a bit before you can remove that formatting from the pgf. For that reason, I *always* add an extra space at the end of a pgf if I need to format the last word in it. I also happen to have a tool that maps new templates to legacy documents. It turns out I have to add a space at the end of every paragraph if I'm swapping out char formats, for this very reason. Otherwise, the tool ends up not knowing when a char format has ended. My bug, or FrameMaker's? Who cares... HTH (but probably doesn't) cud
Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Triple-click still works in Fm9 (fortunately). -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com wrote: If you're using the mouse, triple-clicking selects the whole paragraph. You know, I thought that was the shortcut, but when I tried it, it didn't work for me. Could this have changed in FM9? A search in Adobe Help and the online user guide didn't find the shortcut, either. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as yves.barb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
The main problem is having overrides to begin with. Unless it is a very small document, it is unlikely that you will have a single paragraph that has a unique style. Either find an appropriate paragraph format or create a new one. Then you can remove overrides at will without stressing about breaking the document. It also makes document-wide formatting changes relatively painless. If you create a good template, it event makes library-wide formatting changes relatively painless. Mike Feimster ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Avraham Makeler wrote: Yes, you end up importing the formats back into itself. Oh dear... Why Oh dear? Best practice is to not use format overrides (at least, paragraph format overrides; some bohemian types play fast and loose with the character formats). Importing from the current doc's catalog effectively removes overrides, which is a good thing. To change just one paragraph, I would try and determine what was done to modify that particular paragraph by comparing the settings, Comparing the settings ... and eyeballing field by field, tab by tab ... Oh dear... so much for hi-tech... As you've since been told, this was bad information. No such painful process is necessary. You just apply the format from the Catalog. using the paragraph Designer (Ctrl+M) of a modified and unmodified paragraph. And how can I be sure that any particular paragraph has remained unmodified? In the status bar, there is an asterisk next to the paragraph format name. Thinking ... And just suppose all paragraphs have all actually -- ALL -- been modified? No way back? What do you mean by way back? You can remove all the overrides and restore all paragraphs to their defined format by importing paragraph formats from the current doc, as noted above. That gets you back to the place you should get back to. :-) (And btw, simply clicking Apply in the Paragraph Designer does not work. Seems that FM notices that the paragraph already has that style and so doesn't apply anything. So the Paragraph Designer should offer a 'Force' option, IMO.) That's because the Designer dialog changes to reflect the formatting at the current cursor position. If the cursor is in a location where the defined format was modified, and you click Apply without first changing any settings, you're simply applying what was already there. This is all so convoluted that the simplest way I have found seems better than all the others: just change the paragraph style to any other style, and then change the paragraph style to back to what you want. That works. Anyway, if this is the way things are, Word beats FM hands down on this point. No, it's not convoluted -- you got some convoluted advice early on, and you're not fully comfortable with the FM paradigm and tools. But once you learn those, you'll find that FM encourages and facilitates the use of defined formats (paragraph, character, and table), and it's much easier to consistently format a document -- with no local, ad hoc formatting -- in FM than in Word. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
The main problem is having overrides to begin with. Couldn't agree with you more. Actually the main problem is having inherited a large number of FM documents whose level of English and level of technical competence of the authoring platform (in this case, FM) is the worst I have ever seen. And of course there is no budget for doing an overhaul. I hope that answers your query, and similar queries about the Oh dear. :-) Thanks, avraham On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Mike Feimster mike.feims...@acstechnologies.com wrote: The main problem is having overrides to begin with. Unless it is a very small document, it is unlikely that you will have a single paragraph that has a unique style. Either find an appropriate paragraph format or create a new one. Then you can remove overrides at will without stressing about breaking the document. It also makes document-wide formatting changes relatively painless. If you create a good template, it event makes library-wide formatting changes relatively painless. Mike Feimster -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886 Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Avraham Makeler wrote: There is no analogous action snip There is no container snip Who cares? All I know is that is that sometimes I need a quick way to remove all the local formatting (incl. paragraph formatting) from a paragraph, so it appears according to its current style. For example: snip It seems I didn't explain myself clearly enough. You wanted a paragraph-level command analogous to the Default Para Font command at the text-string/character level, and I was trying to say that's neither possible nor necessary. The quick way to remove all the local formatting (incl. paragraph formatting) from a paragraph, so it appears according to its current style is simply this: 1) If there is char formatting to remove (e.g., parts of the pgf are formatted differently), select the pgf (triple-click) and click Default Para Font in the Character Catalog. If the pgf is all formatted the same, skip to step 2. 2) With the cursor in the pgf (or the pgf still selected), click its style (in FM, it's called a format or tag) in the Paragraph Catalog. 3) There is no step 3. At step 2, you can of course choose a different pgf format. And you can apply pgf tags quickly with the keyboard, too. So, if you've got defined pgf formats that meet your needs, you can walk the cursor through a doc, retagging pgfs as you go, at a rate of several pages per minute. The quick way to remove all local formatting from all the pgfs in a doc, restoring them all to their defined formats, is to import paragraph formats (File Import Formats) from the current document with remove overrides selected. If the currently-applied tags are basically correct, this restores order quickly. HTH! Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
There is no analogous action snip There is no container snip Who cares? All I know is that is that sometimes I need a quick way to remove all the local formatting (incl. paragraph formatting) from a paragraph, so it appears according to its current style. For example: (1) I am designing a new style (=tag), and I experiment with different appearances of some sample content and I do this by playing with local formatting. When I give up on a direction, I want to reset the paragraph and start again. (And when I have got what I want, I define the new style.) (2) I have inherited a large document that is badly formatted with local formatting, as my case now, and if a rush job is required, I just carry on in the same way, and as (1) above. (3) Diagnostic operations. avraham On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.comwrote: Avraham Makeler wrote: Note also, that there is a lack of symmetry in FM between the paragraph styling and the character styling. The Paragraph catalog does not have a 'Default Paragraph' entry. Default Para Font removes local character formatting (char tag or ad hoc), restoring the text to the underlying paragraph format. Think of it as No Local Formatting. Of necessity, removing any locally-applied formatting leaves the formatting applied at the container (paragraph) level in control. There is no analogous action for paragraph formatting because there is no analogous state. There is no container for paragraphs that would permit you to specify formatting at a higher level. The paragraph is the highest-level object that possesses text-format attributes (along with paragraph-format attributes, of course). A paragraph can't have no format (tag) applied to it, and there is no document-wide default paragraph format. What would be the point? If you want to format all paragraphs a certain way, select them all (Ctrl+a) and apply a paragraph tag to them. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886 Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
At 20:15 +0200 26/9/10, Avraham Makeler wrote: In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently defined in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when you place the cursor on the paragraph. If (as sounds likely) you have a load of these issues to deal with, you might find it useful to look at SiliconPrairie's Paragraph Tools and Character Tools plugins. These both offer commands to find local overrides and remove them, as well as many other useful stuff. They are very reasonably priced. http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com -- --- Steve Rickaby, WordMongers Ltd http://www.wordmongers.co.uk ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Hi Avraham If you want to remove all formatting overrides from all paragraphs, the following plug-ins may help: Paragraph Tools: http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html HuntOverrides: http://www.cudspan.net/plugins/ Cheers -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Hi Nadine, Thanks for your response. >> If I understand you correctly, you want to remove formatting overrides to text within a paragraph (ie, whatever makes it formatted differently from the defined paragraph tag) Almost. I want to remove all formatting overrides to all the paragraph's 'properties' (including its text). E.g., to remove also the spacing between the paragraph and its neighboring paragraphs. So that which you suggest, namely "Select the offending text, and in the Character catalog, choose Default Para Font.", does only half the job. Anyway, somebody answered offlist. The way to do this is to open the Paragraphs catalog and locate the entry for the style of the offending paragraph, and then click it. So this is a two stage job (just like in Word). Note also, that there is a lack of symmetry in FM between the paragraph styling and the character styling. The Paragraph catalog does not have a 'Default Paragraph' entry. Thanks, avraham On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Writer wrote: > If I understand you correctly, you want to remove formatting overrides to > text within a paragraph (ie, whatever makes it formatted differently from > the defined paragraph tag). Select the offending text, and in the Character > catalog, choose Default Para Font. > > That should remove any formatting overrides. Sometimes I found I have to > select the text, apply the para tag, and then choose Default Para Font to > get it to work. > > Nadine > > --- On Sun, 9/26/10, David Spreadbury wrote: > > > From: David Spreadbury > > Subject: Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com, "Avraham Makeler" > gmail.com> > > Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 3:02 PM > > Avraham, > > In Framemaker this is done by importing the paragraph and > > Character formats of the document(s) into the document(s). > > > > With the mis-tagged document open, select File > Import > > > Formats. > > Click Select All, to uncheck all options (default) > > Check the Paragraph and Character Format options. > > Check the Other Format/Layout Overrides (this is what > > removes the formatting overrides) > > Click Import. > > > > HTH > > > > --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Avraham Makeler > > wrote: > > > > From: Avraham Makeler > > Subject: To remove local formatting from a paragraph > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 1:15 PM > > > > Hi all, > > > > In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph > > formatting from > > a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current > > paragraph style > > (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as > > currently defined > > in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the > > Paragraph Designer when > > you place the cursor on the paragraph. > > > > In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this > > with a ResetPara > > command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q. > > > > TIA > > > > avraham > > > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > > Visit > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and > > info. > > a > > -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886 "Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle"
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Triple-click still works in Fm9 (fortunately). -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Mike Wickham wrote: > If you're using the mouse, triple-clicking selects the whole paragraph. >> > > You know, I thought that was the shortcut, but when I tried it, it didn't > work for me. Could this have changed in FM9? A search in Adobe Help and the > online user guide didn't find the shortcut, either. > > Mike Wickham > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as yves.barbion at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
The main problem is having overrides to begin with. Unless it is a very small document, it is unlikely that you will have a single paragraph that has a unique style. Either find an appropriate paragraph format or create a new one. Then you can remove overrides at will without stressing about breaking the document. It also makes document-wide formatting changes relatively painless. If you create a good template, it event makes library-wide formatting changes relatively painless. Mike Feimster
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Avraham Makeler wrote: > >> Yes, you end up importing the formats back into itself. > > Oh dear... Why "Oh dear"? Best practice is to not use format overrides (at least, paragraph format overrides; some bohemian types play fast and loose with the character formats). Importing from the current doc's catalog effectively removes overrides, which is a good thing. > >> To change just one paragraph, I would try and determine what was done to > modify that particular paragraph by comparing the settings, > > Comparing the settings ... and eyeballing field by field, tab by tab ... > Oh dear... so much for hi-tech... As you've since been told, this was bad information. No such painful process is necessary. You just apply the format from the Catalog. > >> using the paragraph Designer (Ctrl+M) of a modified and unmodified > paragraph. > > And how can I be sure that any particular paragraph has remained > unmodified? In the status bar, there is an asterisk next to the paragraph format name. > Thinking ... And just suppose all paragraphs have all actually -- ALL -- > been modified? No way back? What do you mean by "way back"? You can remove all the overrides and restore all paragraphs to their defined format by importing paragraph formats from the current doc, as noted above. That gets you back to the place you should get back to. :-) > (And btw, simply clicking Apply in the Paragraph Designer does not work. > Seems that FM notices that the paragraph already has that style and so > doesn't apply anything. So the Paragraph Designer should offer a 'Force' > option, IMO.) That's because the Designer dialog changes to reflect the formatting at the current cursor position. If the cursor is in a location where the defined format was modified, and you click Apply without first changing any settings, you're simply applying what was already there. > This is all so convoluted that the simplest way I have found seems better > than all the others: just change the paragraph style to any other style, > and > then change the paragraph style to back to what you want. That works. > > Anyway, if this is the way things are, Word beats FM hands down on this > point. No, it's not convoluted -- you got some convoluted advice early on, and you're not fully comfortable with the FM paradigm and tools. But once you learn those, you'll find that FM encourages and facilitates the use of defined formats (paragraph, character, and table), and it's much easier to consistently format a document -- with no local, ad hoc formatting -- in FM than in Word. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 --
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Avraham Makeler wrote: > Note also, that there is a lack of symmetry in FM between the paragraph > styling and the character styling. The Paragraph catalog does not have a > 'Default Paragraph' entry. "Default Para Font" removes local character formatting (char tag or ad hoc), restoring the text to the underlying paragraph format. Think of it as "No Local Formatting." Of necessity, removing any locally-applied formatting leaves the formatting applied at the container (paragraph) level in control. There is no analogous action for paragraph formatting because there is no analogous state. There is no container for paragraphs that would permit you to specify formatting at a higher level. The paragraph is the highest-level object that possesses text-format attributes (along with paragraph-format attributes, of course). A paragraph can't have no format (tag) applied to it, and there is no document-wide "default paragraph format." What would be the point? If you want to format all paragraphs a certain way, select them all (Ctrl+a) and apply a paragraph tag to them. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 --
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
>> The main problem is having overrides to begin with. Couldn't agree with you more. Actually the main problem is having inherited a large number of FM documents whose level of English and level of technical competence of the authoring platform (in this case, FM) is the worst I have ever seen. And of course there is no budget for doing an overhaul. I hope that answers your query, and similar queries about the "Oh dear". :-) Thanks, avraham On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Mike Feimster < Mike.Feimster at acstechnologies.com> wrote: The main problem is having overrides to begin with. Unless it is a very > small document, it is unlikely that you will have a single paragraph > that has a unique style. Either find an appropriate paragraph format or > create a new one. Then you can remove overrides at will without > stressing about breaking the document. It also makes document-wide > formatting changes relatively painless. If you create a good template, > it event makes library-wide formatting changes relatively painless. > > Mike Feimster > -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886 "Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle"
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
>> And how can I be sure that any particular paragraph has remained >> unmodified? > > In the status bar, there is an asterisk next to the paragraph format name. That sounds like you are saying the opposite of what I'm sure you meant. The asterisk shows that a paragraph has been modified. Unmodified paragraphs lack the asterisk. Mike Wickham
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Mike Wickham wrote: > >> And how can I be sure that any particular paragraph has remained > >> unmodified? > > > > In the status bar, there is an asterisk next to the paragraph format > name. > > That sounds like you are saying the opposite of what I'm sure you meant. > The > asterisk shows that a paragraph has been modified. Unmodified paragraphs > lack the asterisk. Oops, right -- I read the question too quickly. Thanks for clarifying that! Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 --
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Avraham Makeler wrote: > >> There is no analogous action ? > >> There is no container?? > > Who cares? All I know is that is that sometimes I need a quick way to > remove all the local formatting (incl.?paragraph formatting) from > a?paragraph, so it appears according to its current style. For example: It seems I didn't explain myself clearly enough. You wanted a paragraph-level command analogous to the "Default Para Font" command at the text-string/character level, and I was trying to say that's neither possible nor necessary. The "quick way to remove all the local formatting (incl. paragraph formatting) from a paragraph, so it appears according to its current style" is simply this: 1) If there is char formatting to remove (e.g., parts of the pgf are formatted differently), select the pgf (triple-click) and click Default Para Font in the Character Catalog. If the pgf is all formatted the same, skip to step 2. 2) With the cursor in the pgf (or the pgf still selected), click its "style" (in FM, it's called a "format" or "tag") in the Paragraph Catalog. 3) There is no step 3. At step 2, you can of course choose a different pgf format. And you can apply pgf tags quickly with the keyboard, too. So, if you've got defined pgf formats that meet your needs, you can walk the cursor through a doc, retagging pgfs as you go, at a rate of several pages per minute. The quick way to remove all local formatting from all the pgfs in a doc, restoring them all to their defined formats, is to import paragraph formats (File > Import > Formats) from the current document with remove overrides selected. If the currently-applied tags are basically correct, this restores order quickly. HTH! Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 --
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
>> There is no analogous action >> There is no container Who cares? All I know is that is that sometimes I need a quick way to remove all the local formatting (incl. paragraph formatting) from a paragraph, so it appears according to its current style. For example: (1) I am designing a new style (=tag), and I experiment with different appearances of some sample content and I do this by playing with local formatting. When I give up on a direction, I want to reset the paragraph and start again. (And when I have got what I want, I define the new style.) (2) I have inherited a large document that is badly formatted with local formatting, as my case now, and if a rush job is required, I just carry on in the same way, and as (1) above. (3) Diagnostic operations. avraham On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Combs, Richard wrote: > Avraham Makeler wrote: > > > Note also, that there is a lack of symmetry in FM between the paragraph > > styling and the character styling. The Paragraph catalog does not have a > > 'Default Paragraph' entry. > > "Default Para Font" removes local character formatting (char tag or ad > hoc), restoring the text to the underlying paragraph format. Think of it as > "No Local Formatting." Of necessity, removing any locally-applied formatting > leaves the formatting applied at the container (paragraph) level in control. > > There is no analogous action for paragraph formatting because there is no > analogous state. There is no container for paragraphs that would permit you > to specify formatting at a higher level. The paragraph is the highest-level > object that possesses text-format attributes (along with paragraph-format > attributes, of course). > > A paragraph can't have no format (tag) applied to it, and there is no > document-wide "default paragraph format." What would be the point? If you > want to format all paragraphs a certain way, select them all (Ctrl+a) and > apply a paragraph tag to them. > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-903-6372 > -- > > > > > > > -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886 "Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle"
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
At 20:15 +0200 26/9/10, Avraham Makeler wrote: >In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from >a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style >(tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently defined >in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when >you place the cursor on the paragraph. If (as sounds likely) you have a load of these issues to deal with, you might find it useful to look at SiliconPrairie's Paragraph Tools and Character Tools plugins. These both offer commands to find local overrides and remove them, as well as many other useful stuff. They are very reasonably priced. <http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com> -- --- Steve Rickaby, WordMongers Ltd http://www.wordmongers.co.uk
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Hi Avraham If you want to remove all formatting overrides from all paragraphs, the following plug-ins may help: Paragraph Tools: http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html HuntOverrides: http://www.cudspan.net/plugins/ Cheers -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Hi all, In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently defined in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when you place the cursor on the paragraph. In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this with a ResetPara command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q. TIA avraham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Avraham, In Framemaker this is done by importing the paragraph and Character formats of the document(s) into the document(s). With the mis-tagged document open, select File Import Formats. Click Select All, to uncheck all options (default) Check the Paragraph and Character Format options. Check the Other Format/Layout Overrides (this is what removes the formatting overrides) Click Import. HTH --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote: From: Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com Subject: To remove local formatting from a paragraph To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 1:15 PM Hi all, In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently defined in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when you place the cursor on the paragraph. In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this with a ResetPara command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q. TIA avraham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Hi David, Thanks for the quick response. So if I am talking about one document file, do you mean that the way to do this is to import the document formats from itself into itself? And what if I just want to remove the local formatting of this one paragraph, but not the local formatting of other paragraphs in this document file? Thanks, avraham On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 9:02 PM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.comwrote: Avraham, In Framemaker this is done by importing the paragraph and Character formats of the document(s) into the document(s). With the mis-tagged document open, select File Import Formats. Click Select All, to uncheck all options (default) Check the Paragraph and Character Format options. Check the Other Format/Layout Overrides (this is what removes the formatting overrides) Click Import. HTH --- On *Sun, 9/26/10, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com Subject: To remove local formatting from a paragraph To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 1:15 PM Hi all, In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently defined in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when you place the cursor on the paragraph. In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this with a ResetPara command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q. TIA avraham -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886 Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Avraham, Yes, you end up importing the formats back into itself. To change just one paragraph, I would try and determine what was done to modify that particular paragraph by comparing the settings, using the paragraph Designer (Ctrl+M) of a modified and unmodified paragraph. Then change the modified option(s) to match the unmodified paragraph. --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote: From: Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com Subject: Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph To: David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 2:44 PM Hi David, Thanks for the quick response. So if I am talking about one document file, do you mean that the way to do this is to import the document formats from itself into itself? And what if I just want to remove the local formatting of this one paragraph, but not the local formatting of other paragraphs in this document file? Thanks, avraham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
If I understand you correctly, you want to remove formatting overrides to text within a paragraph (ie, whatever makes it formatted differently from the defined paragraph tag). Select the offending text, and in the Character catalog, choose Default Para Font. That should remove any formatting overrides. Sometimes I found I have to select the text, apply the para tag, and then choose Default Para Font to get it to work. Nadine --- On Sun, 9/26/10, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com wrote: From: David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph To: framers@lists.frameusers.com, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 3:02 PM Avraham, In Framemaker this is done by importing the paragraph and Character formats of the document(s) into the document(s). With the mis-tagged document open, select File Import Formats. Click Select All, to uncheck all options (default) Check the Paragraph and Character Format options. Check the Other Format/Layout Overrides (this is what removes the formatting overrides) Click Import. HTH --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote: From: Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com Subject: To remove local formatting from a paragraph To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 1:15 PM Hi all, In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently defined in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when you place the cursor on the paragraph. In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this with a ResetPara command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q. TIA avraham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as generic...@yahoo.ca. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. a ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Yes, you end up importing the formats back into itself. Oh dear... To change just one paragraph, I would try and determine what was done to modify that particular paragraph by comparing the settings, Comparing the settings ... and eyeballing field by field, tab by tab ... Oh dear... so much for hi-tech... using the paragraph Designer (Ctrl+M) of a modified and unmodified paragraph. And how can I be sure that any particular paragraph has remained unmodified? Thinking ... And just suppose all paragraphs have all actually -- ALL -- been modified? No way back? (And btw, simply clicking Apply in the Paragraph Designer does not work. Seems that FM notices that the paragraph already has that style and so doesn't apply anything. So the Paragraph Designer should offer a 'Force' option, IMO.) This is all so convoluted that the simplest way I have found seems better than all the others: just change the paragraph style to any other style, and then change the paragraph style to back to what you want. That works. Anyway, if this is the way things are, Word beats FM hands down on this point. Thanks, avraham On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:17 PM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.comwrote: Avraham, Yes, you end up importing the formats back into itself. To change just one paragraph, I would try and determine what was done to modify that particular paragraph by comparing the settings, using the paragraph Designer (Ctrl+M) of a modified and unmodified paragraph. Then change the modified option(s) to match the unmodified paragraph. --- On *Sun, 9/26/10, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com Subject: Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph To: David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 2:44 PM Hi David, Thanks for the quick response. So if I am talking about one document file, do you mean that the way to do this is to import the document formats from itself into itself? And what if I just want to remove the local formatting of this one paragraph, but not the local formatting of other paragraphs in this document file? Thanks, avraham -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886 Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently defined in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when you place the cursor on the paragraph. Select the entire paragraph. (There may be a shortcut for this, but I don't know it.). Then, in the Character Catalog, click on Default ¶ Font. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Mike Wickham wrote: Select the entire paragraph. (There may be a shortcut for this, but I don't know it.). Then, in the Character Catalog, click on Default ¶ Font. If you're using the mouse, triple-clicking selects the whole paragraph. -FR ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Hi all, In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently defined in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when you place the cursor on the paragraph. In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this with a ResetPara command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q. TIA avraham
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Avraham, In Framemaker this is done by importing the paragraph and Character formats of the document(s) into the document(s). With the mis-tagged document open, select File > Import > Formats. Click Select All, to uncheck all options (default) Check the Paragraph and Character Format options. Check the Other Format/Layout Overrides (this is what removes the formatting overrides) Click Import. HTH --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Avraham Makeler wrote: From: Avraham Makeler <amake...@gmail.com> Subject: To remove local formatting from a paragraph To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 1:15 PM Hi all, In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently defined in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when you place the cursor on the paragraph. In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this with a ResetPara command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q. TIA avraham
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Hi David, Thanks for the quick response. So if I am talking about one document file, do you mean that the way to do this is to import the document formats from itself into itself? And what if I just want to remove the local formatting of this one paragraph, but not the local formatting of other paragraphs in this document file? Thanks, avraham On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 9:02 PM, David Spreadbury wrote: > Avraham, > In Framemaker this is done by importing the paragraph and Character formats > of the document(s) into the document(s). > > With the mis-tagged document open, select File > Import > Formats. > Click Select All, to uncheck all options (default) > Check the Paragraph and Character Format options. > Check the Other Format/Layout Overrides (this is what removes the > formatting overrides) > Click Import. > > HTH > > --- On *Sun, 9/26/10, Avraham Makeler * wrote: > > > From: Avraham Makeler > Subject: To remove local formatting from a paragraph > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 1:15 PM > > > Hi all, > > In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from > a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style > (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently > defined > in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when > you place the cursor on the paragraph. > > In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this with a ResetPara > command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q. > > TIA > > avraham > > -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886 "Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle"
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Avraham, Yes, you end up importing the formats back into itself. To change just one paragraph, I would try and determine what was done to modify that particular paragraph by comparing the settings, using the paragraph Designer (Ctrl+M) of a modified and unmodified paragraph. Then change the modified option(s) to match the unmodified paragraph. --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Avraham Makeler wrote: From: Avraham Makeler <amake...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph To: "David Spreadbury" Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 2:44 PM Hi?David, Thanks for the quick response. So if I am talking about one document file, do you mean that the way to do this is to import the document formats from itself into itself? And what if I just want to remove the local formatting of this one paragraph, but not the?local formatting of other paragraphs in this?document file? Thanks, avraham
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
If I understand you correctly, you want to remove formatting overrides to text within a paragraph (ie, whatever makes it formatted differently from the defined paragraph tag). Select the offending text, and in the Character catalog, choose Default Para Font. That should remove any formatting overrides. Sometimes I found I have to select the text, apply the para tag, and then choose Default Para Font to get it to work. Nadine --- On Sun, 9/26/10, David Spreadbury wrote: > From: David Spreadbury > Subject: Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com, "Avraham Makeler" > Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 3:02 PM > Avraham, > In Framemaker this is done by importing the paragraph and > Character formats of the document(s) into the document(s). > > With the mis-tagged document open, select File > Import > > Formats. > Click Select All, to uncheck all options (default) > Check the Paragraph and Character Format options. > Check the Other Format/Layout Overrides (this is what > removes the formatting overrides) > Click Import. > > HTH > > --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Avraham Makeler > wrote: > > From: Avraham Makeler > Subject: To remove local formatting from a paragraph > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 1:15 PM > > Hi all, > > In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph > formatting from > a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current > paragraph style > (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as > currently defined > in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the > Paragraph Designer when > you place the cursor on the paragraph. > > In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this > with a ResetPara > command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q. > > TIA > > avraham > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and > info. > a
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
>> Yes, you end up importing the formats back into itself. Oh dear... >> To change just one paragraph, I would try and determine what was done to modify that particular paragraph by comparing the settings, Comparing the settings ... and eyeballing field by field, tab by tab ... Oh dear... so much for hi-tech... >> using the paragraph Designer (Ctrl+M) of a modified and unmodified paragraph. And how can I be sure that any particular paragraph has remained unmodified? Thinking ... And just suppose all paragraphs have all actually -- ALL -- been modified? No way back? (And btw, simply clicking Apply in the Paragraph Designer does not work. Seems that FM notices that the paragraph already has that style and so doesn't apply anything. So the Paragraph Designer should offer a 'Force' option, IMO.) This is all so convoluted that the simplest way I have found seems better than all the others: just change the paragraph style to any other style, and then change the paragraph style to back to what you want. That works. Anyway, if this is the way things are, Word beats FM hands down on this point. Thanks, avraham On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:17 PM, David Spreadbury wrote: > Avraham, > Yes, you end up importing the formats back into itself. > > To change just one paragraph, I would try and determine what was done to > modify that particular paragraph by comparing the settings, using the > paragraph Designer (Ctrl+M) of a modified and unmodified paragraph. Then > change the modified option(s) to match the unmodified paragraph. > > > --- On *Sun, 9/26/10, Avraham Makeler * wrote: > > > From: Avraham Makeler > Subject: Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph > To: "David Spreadbury" > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 2:44 PM > > > Hi David, > > Thanks for the quick response. > > So if I am talking about one document file, do you mean that the way to do > this is to import the document formats from itself into itself? > > And what if I just want to remove the local formatting of this one > paragraph, but not the local formatting of other paragraphs in this document > file? > > Thanks, > > avraham > > -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886 "Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle"
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
> In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from > a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style > (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently > defined > in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when > you place the cursor on the paragraph. Select the entire paragraph. (There may be a shortcut for this, but I don't know it.). Then, in the Character Catalog, click on "Default ? Font." Mike Wickham
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
Mike Wickham wrote: > Select the entire paragraph. (There may be a shortcut for this, but I don't > know it.). Then, in the Character Catalog, click on "Default ? Font." If you're using the mouse, triple-clicking selects the whole paragraph. -FR
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
> If you're using the mouse, triple-clicking selects the whole paragraph. You know, I thought that was the shortcut, but when I tried it, it didn't work for me. Could this have changed in FM9? A search in Adobe Help and the online user guide didn't find the shortcut, either. Mike Wickham
To remove local formatting from a paragraph
I suppose it *could* have changed in FM9. I'm still on FM8. -FR > From: info at mikewickham.com > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:39:40 -0500 > > > If you're using the mouse, triple-clicking selects the whole paragraph. > > You know, I thought that was the shortcut, but when I tried it, it didn't > work for me. Could this have changed in FM9? A search in Adobe Help and the > online user guide didn't find the shortcut, either. > > Mike Wickham
