Re: Ventura encoded text files + some extra rubbish

[Jay Maechtlen]

Ah, another Venturian! (well, I was, but haven't done any work with it 
for some years now)


Re VMs: I like VirtualBox, because the VM can have access to USB 
devices, like scanners and such.

Microsoft's offering, AFIK, doesn't do that.

Regards
Jay


On 4/26/2012 2:28 PM, Jacob Schäffer (Grafikhuset) wrote:

Over the years I've had quite a few conversations with Gabor Jahn, Allan
Shearer, Abe Hendin and Paul McGee, to which Jay Maechtlen's FAQ link refer
in many of the FAQ answers. These folks have done a great job and I can
still see their wisdom engulfed in passionate Ventura flames. Consult the
Ventura News Groups if they still are alive. These guys have all provided
plenty of useful information to the Ventura communities.

If one has the option of installing Ventura 10 and is able to apply the
official and *very* important VP10 patch the only reasonable thing to do
with pre-Venrura 5 documents (i.e. 4.2 and older) is to open them in VP10,
modify the para-styles as required (typically only font references and
perhaps tracking/kerning fail), and then, page by page, check that
hyphenation is OK (which it most likely isn't - especially if you work with
a non-English (ie. non-en-US or non-en-GB) languages.

If you are on Windows 7 don't fight the VP10 Installer. It IS possible to
make it run and install VP10, but it's waste of time. Use a VM-Ware (or
similar virtualization method - perhaps the MS Virtual PC, which is free) to
run a Windows XP session with Ventura 10. THAT will work for you.

In my view we today have MANY products that can do ALMOST the same as
Ventura Publisher in regard to automated publishing books. We have NONE that
CAN do the same with regard to automating such bests, and not even InDesign
can deal with for example text frames with different column widths in a text
frame nor with automatically created vertical column lines, that match the
height of balanced text, automatically feathering space above headings etc.
Ventura did that from version 2.0 run under the GEM platform in 1988-89, and
still do in VP10, of course. I think Ventura died because document
portability was extremely poor and the leaning curve was too steep. Sad!

Anyway, from time to time I still use Ventura (10.0 with patch applied) on
some occations, and have just made a 416 pages book ready to print in 3,5
hours with Ventura. The ability to just load tagged TXT files marked for
Export on Save on the fly simply outmatch other technologies because of
ease of use, simplicty etc. - if you know the how to. If you still have VP
4.X books alive, then keep them in VP format. NOTHING else makes sense unles
you are willing to undertake a huge amount of superfluous work.

I loved Ventura, but I also love newer technologies for their fantastic
integration with PDF, non-EPS artwork and image handling etc.. But these
packages still have a bit to learn from Ventura in many regards, even
though for example the latest FrameMaker, at long last, beats Ventura on
some fronts.

It took almost a human generation for FrameMaker to provide usefull
CMYK/Spot color support. It's here now, and most critical, it also works OK
now - at last. The first CMYK attempts with Adobe trying to get off lightly
by implementing an outdated Linux kernel (Level 1 based PostScript) was a
total disaster, and exporting the FM development to India didn't exactly
make it easy to find common development ground with internal Adobe colour
experts. Anyway, the FM10 (latest edition and patch level) does a great job
with commercial CMYK/Spot colors owing to third party input (Arnis Gubins
and friends - thanks Arnis for unifying the strength of third party
collaboration !!!).

VP10, FM10, FM10 ten years after VP10 ten years after Xerox VP. There's a
lot of 10's to keep tally of here, isn't there :-)

Well, I'm actually writing all this rubbish just to anounce, that my colour
conversion products Colour Chameleon, CMYK PDF Creator and Publi PDF
is becoming freeware licensed under some sort of GPL as a single product
named Grafikhuset Publi PDF. All of these variants have helped FrameMaker
users all over the world for years in preparing coloured FM documents for
commercial printing via PDF since January 1996, where the first
International English Colour Chameleon was released.

We have now closed the on-line activation service (hosted by InstallShield -
Flexera), and licensed products can NOT be activated anymore. However, we
have a FREE client edition of Grafikhuset Publi PDF 2.0 prepared that run
on XP, Vista and Windows 7 (32- and 64-bit editions of Windows 7), and is
currently preparing the MSI installer. We expect to provide this new version
for FREE via http://go.grafikhuset.dk approx 5. May 2012.

All the best / Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Schäffer  |  Chief Developer
Grafikhuset (House of Graphics)
Paradis Allé 22, Ramløse
DK-3200 Helsinge, Denmark
Mobile: +45 2021 1958
Email: j...@grafikhuset.dk
Web: go.grafikhuset.dk





--
Jay Maechtlen
626 444-5112 office
626 

Ventura encoded text files + some extra rubbish

[Jacob Schäffer (Grafikhuset)]

Over the years I've had quite a few conversations with Gabor Jahn, Allan
Shearer, Abe Hendin and Paul McGee, to which Jay Maechtlen's FAQ link refer
in many of the FAQ answers. These folks have done a great job and I can
still see their wisdom engulfed in passionate Ventura flames. Consult the
Ventura News Groups if they still are alive. These guys have all provided
plenty of useful information to the Ventura communities.

If one has the option of installing Ventura 10 and is able to apply the
official and *very* important VP10 patch the only reasonable thing to do
with pre-Venrura 5 documents (i.e. 4.2 and older) is to open them in VP10,
modify the para-styles as required (typically only font references and
perhaps tracking/kerning fail), and then, page by page, check that
hyphenation is OK (which it most likely isn't - especially if you work with
a non-English (ie. non-en-US or non-en-GB) languages.

If you are on Windows 7 don't fight the VP10 Installer. It IS possible to
make it run and install VP10, but it's waste of time. Use a VM-Ware (or
similar virtualization method - perhaps the MS Virtual PC, which is free) to
run a Windows XP session with Ventura 10. THAT will work for you.

In my view we today have MANY products that can do ALMOST the same as
Ventura Publisher in regard to automated publishing books. We have NONE that
CAN do the same with regard to automating such bests, and not even InDesign
can deal with for example text frames with different column widths in a text
frame nor with automatically created vertical column lines, that match the
height of balanced text, automatically feathering space above headings etc.
Ventura did that from version 2.0 run under the GEM platform in 1988-89, and
still do in VP10, of course. I think Ventura died because document
portability was extremely poor and the leaning curve was too steep. Sad!

Anyway, from time to time I still use Ventura (10.0 with patch applied) on
some occations, and have just made a 416 pages book ready to print in 3,5
hours with Ventura. The ability to just load "tagged" TXT files marked for
"Export on Save" on the fly simply outmatch other technologies because of
ease of use, simplicty etc. - if you know the "how to". If you still have VP
4.X books alive, then keep them in VP format. NOTHING else makes sense unles
you are willing to undertake a huge amount of superfluous work.

I loved Ventura, but I also love newer technologies for their fantastic
integration with PDF, non-EPS artwork and image handling etc.. But these
"packages" still have a bit to learn from Ventura in many regards, even
though for example the latest FrameMaker, at long last, beats Ventura on
some fronts.

It took almost a human generation for FrameMaker to provide usefull
CMYK/Spot color support. It's here now, and most critical, it also works OK
now - at last. The first CMYK attempts with Adobe trying to get off lightly
by implementing an outdated Linux kernel (Level 1 based PostScript) was a
total disaster, and exporting the FM development to India didn't exactly
make it easy to find common development ground with internal Adobe colour
experts. Anyway, the FM10 (latest edition and patch level) does a great job
with commercial CMYK/Spot colors owing to third party input (Arnis Gubins
and friends - thanks Arnis for unifying the strength of third party
collaboration !!!).

VP10, FM10, FM10 ten years after VP10 ten years after Xerox VP. There's a
lot of 10's to keep tally of here, isn't there :-)

Well, I'm actually writing all this rubbish just to anounce, that my colour
conversion products "Colour Chameleon", "CMYK PDF Creator" and "Publi PDF"
is becoming freeware licensed under some sort of GPL as a single product
named "Grafikhuset Publi PDF". All of these variants have helped FrameMaker
users all over the world for years in preparing coloured FM documents for
commercial printing via PDF since January 1996, where the first
International English "Colour Chameleon" was released.

We have now closed the on-line activation service (hosted by InstallShield -
Flexera), and licensed products can NOT be activated anymore. However, we
have a FREE client edition of "Grafikhuset Publi PDF 2.0" prepared that run
on XP, Vista and Windows 7 (32- and 64-bit editions of Windows 7), and is
currently preparing the MSI installer. We expect to provide this new version
for FREE via http://go.grafikhuset.dk approx 5. May 2012.

All the best / Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Sch?ffer? |? Chief Developer
Grafikhuset (House of Graphics)
Paradis All? 22, Raml?se
DK-3200 Helsinge, Denmark
Mobile: +45 2021 1958
Email: js at grafikhuset.dk
Web: go.grafikhuset.dk

Ventura encoded text files + some extra rubbish

[Jay Maechtlen]

Ah, another Venturian! (well, I was, but haven't done any work with it 
for some years now)

Re VMs: I like VirtualBox, because the VM can have access to USB 
devices, like scanners and such.
Microsoft's offering, AFIK, doesn't do that.

Regards
Jay


On 4/26/2012 2:28 PM, Jacob Sch?ffer (Grafikhuset) wrote:
> Over the years I've had quite a few conversations with Gabor Jahn, Allan
> Shearer, Abe Hendin and Paul McGee, to which Jay Maechtlen's FAQ link refer
> in many of the FAQ answers. These folks have done a great job and I can
> still see their wisdom engulfed in passionate Ventura flames. Consult the
> Ventura News Groups if they still are alive. These guys have all provided
> plenty of useful information to the Ventura communities.
>
> If one has the option of installing Ventura 10 and is able to apply the
> official and *very* important VP10 patch the only reasonable thing to do
> with pre-Venrura 5 documents (i.e. 4.2 and older) is to open them in VP10,
> modify the para-styles as required (typically only font references and
> perhaps tracking/kerning fail), and then, page by page, check that
> hyphenation is OK (which it most likely isn't - especially if you work with
> a non-English (ie. non-en-US or non-en-GB) languages.
>
> If you are on Windows 7 don't fight the VP10 Installer. It IS possible to
> make it run and install VP10, but it's waste of time. Use a VM-Ware (or
> similar virtualization method - perhaps the MS Virtual PC, which is free) to
> run a Windows XP session with Ventura 10. THAT will work for you.
>
> In my view we today have MANY products that can do ALMOST the same as
> Ventura Publisher in regard to automated publishing books. We have NONE that
> CAN do the same with regard to automating such bests, and not even InDesign
> can deal with for example text frames with different column widths in a text
> frame nor with automatically created vertical column lines, that match the
> height of balanced text, automatically feathering space above headings etc.
> Ventura did that from version 2.0 run under the GEM platform in 1988-89, and
> still do in VP10, of course. I think Ventura died because document
> portability was extremely poor and the leaning curve was too steep. Sad!
>
> Anyway, from time to time I still use Ventura (10.0 with patch applied) on
> some occations, and have just made a 416 pages book ready to print in 3,5
> hours with Ventura. The ability to just load "tagged" TXT files marked for
> "Export on Save" on the fly simply outmatch other technologies because of
> ease of use, simplicty etc. - if you know the "how to". If you still have VP
> 4.X books alive, then keep them in VP format. NOTHING else makes sense unles
> you are willing to undertake a huge amount of superfluous work.
>
> I loved Ventura, but I also love newer technologies for their fantastic
> integration with PDF, non-EPS artwork and image handling etc.. But these
> "packages" still have a bit to learn from Ventura in many regards, even
> though for example the latest FrameMaker, at long last, beats Ventura on
> some fronts.
>
> It took almost a human generation for FrameMaker to provide usefull
> CMYK/Spot color support. It's here now, and most critical, it also works OK
> now - at last. The first CMYK attempts with Adobe trying to get off lightly
> by implementing an outdated Linux kernel (Level 1 based PostScript) was a
> total disaster, and exporting the FM development to India didn't exactly
> make it easy to find common development ground with internal Adobe colour
> experts. Anyway, the FM10 (latest edition and patch level) does a great job
> with commercial CMYK/Spot colors owing to third party input (Arnis Gubins
> and friends - thanks Arnis for unifying the strength of third party
> collaboration !!!).
>
> VP10, FM10, FM10 ten years after VP10 ten years after Xerox VP. There's a
> lot of 10's to keep tally of here, isn't there :-)
>
> Well, I'm actually writing all this rubbish just to anounce, that my colour
> conversion products "Colour Chameleon", "CMYK PDF Creator" and "Publi PDF"
> is becoming freeware licensed under some sort of GPL as a single product
> named "Grafikhuset Publi PDF". All of these variants have helped FrameMaker
> users all over the world for years in preparing coloured FM documents for
> commercial printing via PDF since January 1996, where the first
> International English "Colour Chameleon" was released.
>
> We have now closed the on-line activation service (hosted by InstallShield -
> Flexera), and licensed products can NOT be activated anymore. However, we
> have a FREE client edition of "Grafikhuset Publi PDF 2.0" prepared that run
> on XP, Vista and Windows 7 (32- and 64-bit editions of Windows 7), and is
> currently preparing the MSI installer. We expect to provide this new version
> for FREE via http://go.grafikhuset.dk approx 5. May 2012.
>
> All the best / Med venlig hilsen
> Jacob Sch?ffer  |  Chief Developer
> Grafikhuset (House of Graphics)
> Paradis 

RE: Ventura encoded text files + some extra rubbish

[Grafikhuset]

Over the years I've had quite a few conversations with Gabor Jahn, Allan
Shearer, Abe Hendin and Paul McGee, to which Jay Maechtlen's FAQ link refer
in many of the FAQ answers. These folks have done a great job and I can
still see their wisdom engulfed in passionate Ventura flames. Consult the
Ventura News Groups if they still are alive. These guys have all provided
plenty of useful information to the Ventura communities.

If one has the option of installing Ventura 10 and is able to apply the
official and *very* important VP10 patch the only reasonable thing to do
with pre-Venrura 5 documents (i.e. 4.2 and older) is to open them in VP10,
modify the para-styles as required (typically only font references and
perhaps tracking/kerning fail), and then, page by page, check that
hyphenation is OK (which it most likely isn't - especially if you work with
a non-English (ie. non-en-US or non-en-GB) languages.

If you are on Windows 7 don't fight the VP10 Installer. It IS possible to
make it run and install VP10, but it's waste of time. Use a VM-Ware (or
similar virtualization method - perhaps the MS Virtual PC, which is free) to
run a Windows XP session with Ventura 10. THAT will work for you.

In my view we today have MANY products that can do ALMOST the same as
Ventura Publisher in regard to automated publishing books. We have NONE that
CAN do the same with regard to automating such bests, and not even InDesign
can deal with for example text frames with different column widths in a text
frame nor with automatically created vertical column lines, that match the
height of balanced text, automatically feathering space above headings etc.
Ventura did that from version 2.0 run under the GEM platform in 1988-89, and
still do in VP10, of course. I think Ventura died because document
portability was extremely poor and the leaning curve was too steep. Sad!

Anyway, from time to time I still use Ventura (10.0 with patch applied) on
some occations, and have just made a 416 pages book ready to print in 3,5
hours with Ventura. The ability to just load tagged TXT files marked for
Export on Save on the fly simply outmatch other technologies because of
ease of use, simplicty etc. - if you know the how to. If you still have VP
4.X books alive, then keep them in VP format. NOTHING else makes sense unles
you are willing to undertake a huge amount of superfluous work.

I loved Ventura, but I also love newer technologies for their fantastic
integration with PDF, non-EPS artwork and image handling etc.. But these
packages still have a bit to learn from Ventura in many regards, even
though for example the latest FrameMaker, at long last, beats Ventura on
some fronts.

It took almost a human generation for FrameMaker to provide usefull
CMYK/Spot color support. It's here now, and most critical, it also works OK
now - at last. The first CMYK attempts with Adobe trying to get off lightly
by implementing an outdated Linux kernel (Level 1 based PostScript) was a
total disaster, and exporting the FM development to India didn't exactly
make it easy to find common development ground with internal Adobe colour
experts. Anyway, the FM10 (latest edition and patch level) does a great job
with commercial CMYK/Spot colors owing to third party input (Arnis Gubins
and friends - thanks Arnis for unifying the strength of third party
collaboration !!!).
 
VP10, FM10, FM10 ten years after VP10 ten years after Xerox VP. There's a
lot of 10's to keep tally of here, isn't there :-)

Well, I'm actually writing all this rubbish just to anounce, that my colour
conversion products Colour Chameleon, CMYK PDF Creator and Publi PDF
is becoming freeware licensed under some sort of GPL as a single product
named Grafikhuset Publi PDF. All of these variants have helped FrameMaker
users all over the world for years in preparing coloured FM documents for
commercial printing via PDF since January 1996, where the first
International English Colour Chameleon was released.

We have now closed the on-line activation service (hosted by InstallShield -
Flexera), and licensed products can NOT be activated anymore. However, we
have a FREE client edition of Grafikhuset Publi PDF 2.0 prepared that run
on XP, Vista and Windows 7 (32- and 64-bit editions of Windows 7), and is
currently preparing the MSI installer. We expect to provide this new version
for FREE via http://go.grafikhuset.dk approx 5. May 2012.

All the best / Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Schäffer  |  Chief Developer
Grafikhuset (House of Graphics)
Paradis Allé 22, Ramløse
DK-3200 Helsinge, Denmark
Mobile: +45 2021 1958
Email: j...@grafikhuset.dk
Web: go.grafikhuset.dk

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Re: Ventura encoded text files

[Jay Maechtlen]

there are still Ventura newsgroups on the Corel site.

There's a  Ventura FAQ at
http://www.mccoyseminars.com/Ventura/VenturaFAQ.pdf


On 4/23/2012 2:29 PM, David Creamer wrote:

I have a number of text  files that came from Ventura Publisher that look
like this:

@REF =  II.3:2
The means areF38978Me.F255D   to understand after the
@BOOK = T-4
@REF =  IV.2:6
is muchF38978Me.F255D   than trying to think against it.
@BOOK = T-6
@REF =  V.B.9:3
step isF38978Me.F255D   than the first because it follows.
@BOOK = T-19
@REF =  III.6:6
F38978Me.F255D   to believe that you have been mistaken
@BOOK = T-23
@REF =  II.21:5
another, nor that return from one isF38978Me..F255D
@BOOK = T-24
@REF =  VI.13:1
believe itF38978Me.F255D   to see your brother's body
@BOOK = T-25
@REF =  VI.2:3

(This is just a random example.)

I have Ventura Publisher 10 and it does not read them properly (although I
am far from a VP expert--I tried the open and import menus).
The client has Frame 6; I have Frame 8-10 on my system, but can install 7 on
an older system.
I know early versions of Frame has a Ventura import feature, but I don't
know if it will work with these files.

Is there any way to work with these files? Third-party program suggestions
are welcome too.

My only other thought is some GREP Find/Change work.

Thank you in advance,

David Creamer
IDEAS Training

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Ventura encoded text files

[Jay Maechtlen]

there are still Ventura newsgroups on the Corel site.

There's a  Ventura FAQ at
http://www.mccoyseminars.com/Ventura/VenturaFAQ.pdf


On 4/23/2012 2:29 PM, David Creamer wrote:
> I have a number of text  files that came from Ventura Publisher that look
> like this:
>
> @REF =II.3:2
> The means aree.   to understand after the
> @BOOK = T-4
> @REF =IV.2:6
> is muche.   than trying to think against it.
> @BOOK = T-6
> @REF =V.B.9:3
> step ise.   than the first because it follows.
> @BOOK = T-19
> @REF =III.6:6
> e.   to believe that you have been mistaken
> @BOOK = T-23
> @REF =II.21:5
> another, nor that return from one ise..
> @BOOK = T-24
> @REF =VI.13:1
> believe ite.   to see your brother's body
> @BOOK = T-25
> @REF =VI.2:3
>
> (This is just a random example.)
>
> I have Ventura Publisher 10 and it does not read them properly (although I
> am far from a VP expert--I tried the open and import menus).
> The client has Frame 6; I have Frame 8-10 on my system, but can install 7 on
> an older system.
> I know early versions of Frame has a Ventura import feature, but I don't
> know if it will work with these files.
>
> Is there any way to work with these files? Third-party program suggestions
> are welcome too.
>
> My only other thought is some GREP Find/Change work.
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> David Creamer
> IDEAS Training
>
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Re: Ventura encoded text files

[Yves Barbion]

Hi David

Ah, good old Ventura Publisher! Those were the days. We have used Maker
Markup Language (MML) for this type of conversion jobs. We just opened the
VP text files in Notepad++ or  EditPad Lite and replaced the VP markup (@REF
=) with maker markup (ref). Then, we simply imported the MML files into
our FrameMaker templates.

You can find a MML reference guide here:

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/mml_reference.pdf

Cheers



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[David Creamer]

Thank you, everyone for your on- and off-list responses.

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Re: Ventura encoded text files

[Matanya Ophee]

On 23/04/2012 5:29 AM, David Creamer wrote:

I have a number of text  files that came from Ventura Publisher that look
like this:

@REF =  II.3:2
The means areF38978Me.F255D   to understand after the
@BOOK = T-4
@REF =  IV.2:6
is muchF38978Me.F255D   than trying to think against it.
@BOOK = T-6
@REF =  V.B.9:3
step isF38978Me.F255D   than the first because it follows.
@BOOK = T-19
@REF =  III.6:6
F38978Me.F255D   to believe that you have been mistaken
@BOOK = T-23
@REF =  II.21:5
another, nor that return from one isF38978Me..F255D
@BOOK = T-24
@REF =  VI.13:1
believe itF38978Me.F255D   to see your brother's body
@BOOK = T-25
@REF =  VI.2:3

(This is just a random example.)

I have Ventura Publisher 10 and it does not read them properly (although I
am far from a VP expert--I tried the open and import menus).
The client has Frame 6; I have Frame 8-10 on my system, but can install 7 on
an older system.
I know early versions of Frame has a Ventura import feature, but I don't
know if it will work with these files.

Is there any way to work with these files? Third-party program suggestions
are welcome too.



Let me know if you find any. In my recent experience with two rather 
large books that I did in Venture 4.1 some 20 years ago, there is no way 
to automatically import these files into FM (I am on v. 8). The way I 
did it eventually, was by copying the Ventura text files (in WordPerfect 
5.2) and pasting them into FM as text, codes and all. Then, manually 
searching and replacing the codes as necessary. Yes, a time consuming 
procedure, but a bit faster and safer than scanning the existing books 
with OCR and producing text files that are importable into FM. That 
procedure, which I also did for some chapters of a book that the Ventura 
files for it were too corrupted to be of any use, is more time consuming 
because of the spell checking that must be done before and after scanning.



Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphée Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
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Re: Ventura encoded text files

[Lynn Gold]

When I had to do this I used Maker Markup Language.  I ran a few Emacs 
macros over the file and it converted easily.  One of the things to watch 
out for is VP and FM use colons and semicolons in Index markers the 
opposite way, so when replacing strings you have to make an intermediary 
step of replacing one of those to some random text string not likely to 
appear in your book.  To wit:

1. Replace : with murgatroyd.
2. Replace ; with :.
3. Replace murgatroyd wtih ;.

--Lynn



From:   David Creamer ideasli...@ideastraining.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date:   04/23/2012 02:33 PM
Subject:Ventura encoded text files
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I have a number of text  files that came from Ventura Publisher that look
like this:

@REF =   II.3:2
The means are  F38978Me.F255D  to understand after the
@BOOK = T-4
@REF =   IV.2:6
is much  F38978Me.F255D  than trying to think against it.
@BOOK = T-6
@REF =   V.B.9:3
step is  F38978Me.F255D  than the first because it follows.
@BOOK = T-19
@REF =   III.6:6
F38978Me.F255D  to believe that you have been mistaken
@BOOK = T-23
@REF =   II.21:5
another, nor that return from one is  F38978Me..F255D
@BOOK = T-24
@REF =   VI.13:1
believe it  F38978Me.F255D  to see your brother's body
@BOOK = T-25
@REF =   VI.2:3

(This is just a random example.)

I have Ventura Publisher 10 and it does not read them properly (although I
am far from a VP expert--I tried the open and import menus).
The client has Frame 6; I have Frame 8-10 on my system, but can install 7 
on
an older system.
I know early versions of Frame has a Ventura import feature, but I don't
know if it will work with these files.

Is there any way to work with these files? Third-party program suggestions
are welcome too.

My only other thought is some GREP Find/Change work.

Thank you in advance,

David Creamer
IDEAS Training

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Ventura encoded text files

[Yves Barbion]

Hi David

Ah, good old Ventura Publisher! Those were the days. We have used Maker
Markup Language (MML) for this type of conversion jobs. We just opened the
VP text files in Notepad++ or  EditPad Lite and replaced the VP markup (@REF
=) with maker markup (). Then, we simply imported the MML files into
our FrameMaker templates.

You can find a MML reference guide here:

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/mml_reference.pdf

Cheers



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[David Creamer]

Thank you, everyone for your on- and off-list responses.

Dave Creamer
IDEAS Training

Ventura encoded text files

[David Creamer]

I have a number of text  files that came from Ventura Publisher that look
like this:

@REF =  II.3:2
The means are  F38978Me.F255D  to understand after the
@BOOK = T-4
@REF =  IV.2:6
is much  F38978Me.F255D  than trying to think against it.
@BOOK = T-6
@REF =  V.B.9:3
step is  F38978Me.F255D  than the first because it follows.
@BOOK = T-19
@REF =  III.6:6
F38978Me.F255D  to believe that you have been mistaken
@BOOK = T-23
@REF =  II.21:5
another, nor that return from one is  F38978Me..F255D
@BOOK = T-24
@REF =  VI.13:1
believe it  F38978Me.F255D  to see your brother's body
@BOOK = T-25
@REF =  VI.2:3

(This is just a random example.)

I have Ventura Publisher 10 and it does not read them properly (although I
am far from a VP expert--I tried the open and import menus).
The client has Frame 6; I have Frame 8-10 on my system, but can install 7 on
an older system.
I know early versions of Frame has a Ventura import feature, but I don't
know if it will work with these files.

Is there any way to work with these files? Third-party program suggestions
are welcome too.

My only other thought is some GREP Find/Change work.

Thank you in advance,

David Creamer
IDEAS Training

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Re: Ventura encoded text files

[Kenneth C. Benson]

The best way to deal with Ventura to Frame is to put RTF in the middle. 
Do you have anything other than text files? Beginning with Ventura 7, 
you would need a .VP file in which to load the text file (and from which 
to export RTF). For earlier versions of Ventura, you would need (at 
least) a .chp file and a .sty file.


Ventura 10 should be able to open your files, provided you have the 
important pieces (.vp or .chp with .sty). Files from the oldest versions 
will have some font substitution problems.


If I had only the coded text files I would bring them into Indesign, use 
GREP to apply styles, export RTF, and bring the RTF into Frame.


BTW, the @REF and @BOOK are paragraph styles, and are easily assigned 
directly in Frame (Find/Replace by pasting style from clipboard). The 
character-level font changes are much harder. This particular sample 
looks like complete nonsense. I understand the numbering, but why are 
there sentence fragments?


Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type
www.pegtype.com


On 4/23/2012 5:29 PM, David Creamer wrote:

I have a number of text  files that came from Ventura Publisher that look
like this:

@REF =  II.3:2
The means areF38978Me.F255D   to understand after the
@BOOK = T-4
@REF =  IV.2:6
is muchF38978Me.F255D   than trying to think against it.
@BOOK = T-6
@REF =  V.B.9:3
step isF38978Me.F255D   than the first because it follows.
@BOOK = T-19
@REF =  III.6:6
F38978Me.F255D   to believe that you have been mistaken
@BOOK = T-23
@REF =  II.21:5
another, nor that return from one isF38978Me..F255D
@BOOK = T-24
@REF =  VI.13:1
believe itF38978Me.F255D   to see your brother's body
@BOOK = T-25
@REF =  VI.2:3

(This is just a random example.)

I have Ventura Publisher 10 and it does not read them properly (although I
am far from a VP expert--I tried the open and import menus).
The client has Frame 6; I have Frame 8-10 on my system, but can install 7 on
an older system.
I know early versions of Frame has a Ventura import feature, but I don't
know if it will work with these files.

Is there any way to work with these files? Third-party program suggestions
are welcome too.

My only other thought is some GREP Find/Change work.

Thank you in advance,

David Creamer
IDEAS Training

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Ventura encoded text files

[David Creamer]

I have a number of text  files that came from Ventura Publisher that look
like this:

@REF =  II.3:2
The means are  e.  to understand after the
@BOOK = T-4
@REF =  IV.2:6
is much  e.  than trying to think against it.
@BOOK = T-6
@REF =  V.B.9:3
step is  e.  than the first because it follows.
@BOOK = T-19
@REF =  III.6:6
e.  to believe that you have been mistaken
@BOOK = T-23
@REF =  II.21:5
another, nor that return from one is  e..
@BOOK = T-24
@REF =  VI.13:1
believe it  e.  to see your brother's body
@BOOK = T-25
@REF =  VI.2:3

(This is just a random example.)

I have Ventura Publisher 10 and it does not read them properly (although I
am far from a VP expert--I tried the open and import menus).
The client has Frame 6; I have Frame 8-10 on my system, but can install 7 on
an older system.
I know early versions of Frame has a Ventura import feature, but I don't
know if it will work with these files.

Is there any way to work with these files? Third-party program suggestions
are welcome too.

My only other thought is some GREP Find/Change work.

Thank you in advance,

David Creamer
IDEAS Training

Ventura encoded text files

[Kenneth C. Benson]

The best way to deal with Ventura to Frame is to put RTF in the middle. 
Do you have anything other than text files? Beginning with Ventura 7, 
you would need a .VP file in which to load the text file (and from which 
to export RTF). For earlier versions of Ventura, you would need (at 
least) a .chp file and a .sty file.

Ventura 10 should be able to open your files, provided you have the 
important pieces (.vp or .chp with .sty). Files from the oldest versions 
will have some font substitution problems.

If I had only the coded text files I would bring them into Indesign, use 
GREP to apply styles, export RTF, and bring the RTF into Frame.

BTW, the @REF and @BOOK are paragraph styles, and are easily assigned 
directly in Frame (Find/Replace by pasting style from clipboard). The 
character-level font changes are much harder. This particular sample 
looks like complete nonsense. I understand the numbering, but why are 
there sentence fragments?

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type
www.pegtype.com


On 4/23/2012 5:29 PM, David Creamer wrote:
> I have a number of text  files that came from Ventura Publisher that look
> like this:
>
> @REF =II.3:2
> The means aree.   to understand after the
> @BOOK = T-4
> @REF =IV.2:6
> is muche.   than trying to think against it.
> @BOOK = T-6
> @REF =V.B.9:3
> step ise.   than the first because it follows.
> @BOOK = T-19
> @REF =III.6:6
> e.   to believe that you have been mistaken
> @BOOK = T-23
> @REF =II.21:5
> another, nor that return from one ise..
> @BOOK = T-24
> @REF =VI.13:1
> believe ite.   to see your brother's body
> @BOOK = T-25
> @REF =VI.2:3
>
> (This is just a random example.)
>
> I have Ventura Publisher 10 and it does not read them properly (although I
> am far from a VP expert--I tried the open and import menus).
> The client has Frame 6; I have Frame 8-10 on my system, but can install 7 on
> an older system.
> I know early versions of Frame has a Ventura import feature, but I don't
> know if it will work with these files.
>
> Is there any way to work with these files? Third-party program suggestions
> are welcome too.
>
> My only other thought is some GREP Find/Change work.
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> David Creamer
> IDEAS Training
>
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Ventura encoded text files

[Matanya Ophee]

On 23/04/2012 5:29 AM, David Creamer wrote:
> I have a number of text  files that came from Ventura Publisher that look
> like this:
>
> @REF =II.3:2
> The means aree.   to understand after the
> @BOOK = T-4
> @REF =IV.2:6
> is muche.   than trying to think against it.
> @BOOK = T-6
> @REF =V.B.9:3
> step ise.   than the first because it follows.
> @BOOK = T-19
> @REF =III.6:6
> e.   to believe that you have been mistaken
> @BOOK = T-23
> @REF =II.21:5
> another, nor that return from one ise..
> @BOOK = T-24
> @REF =VI.13:1
> believe ite.   to see your brother's body
> @BOOK = T-25
> @REF =VI.2:3
>
> (This is just a random example.)
>
> I have Ventura Publisher 10 and it does not read them properly (although I
> am far from a VP expert--I tried the open and import menus).
> The client has Frame 6; I have Frame 8-10 on my system, but can install 7 on
> an older system.
> I know early versions of Frame has a Ventura import feature, but I don't
> know if it will work with these files.
>
> Is there any way to work with these files? Third-party program suggestions
> are welcome too.


Let me know if you find any. In my recent experience with two rather 
large books that I did in Venture 4.1 some 20 years ago, there is no way 
to automatically import these files into FM (I am on v. 8). The way I 
did it eventually, was by copying the Ventura text files (in WordPerfect 
5.2) and pasting them into FM as text, codes and all. Then, manually 
searching and replacing the codes as necessary. Yes, a time consuming 
procedure, but a bit faster and safer than scanning the existing books 
with OCR and producing text files that are importable into FM. That 
procedure, which I also did for some chapters of a book that the Ventura 
files for it were too corrupted to be of any use, is more time consuming 
because of the spell checking that must be done before and after scanning.


Matanya Ophee
Editions Orph?e Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
Phone: 614-846-9517
Fax: 614-846-9794
mailto:m.ophee at orphee.com
http://www.editionsorphee.com
http://matanya.livejournal.com/
http://www.matanyaophee.com

Ventura encoded text files

[Lynn Gold]

When I had to do this I used Maker Markup Language.  I ran a few Emacs 
macros over the file and it converted easily.  One of the things to watch 
out for is VP and FM use colons and semicolons in Index markers the 
opposite way, so when replacing strings you have to make an intermediary 
step of replacing one of those to some random text string not likely to 
appear in your book.  To wit:

1. Replace ":" with "murgatroyd".
2. Replace ";" with ":".
3. Replace "murgatroyd" wtih ";".

--Lynn



From:   "David Creamer" <ideasli...@ideastraining.com>
To: 
Date:   04/23/2012 02:33 PM
Subject:Ventura encoded text files
Sent by:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com



I have a number of text  files that came from Ventura Publisher that look
like this:

@REF =   II.3:2
The means are  e.  to understand after the
@BOOK = T-4
@REF =   IV.2:6
is much  e.  than trying to think against it.
@BOOK = T-6
@REF =   V.B.9:3
step is  e.  than the first because it follows.
@BOOK = T-19
@REF =   III.6:6
e.  to believe that you have been mistaken
@BOOK = T-23
@REF =   II.21:5
another, nor that return from one is  e..
@BOOK = T-24
@REF =   VI.13:1
believe it  e.  to see your brother's body
@BOOK = T-25
@REF =   VI.2:3

(This is just a random example.)

I have Ventura Publisher 10 and it does not read them properly (although I
am far from a VP expert--I tried the open and import menus).
The client has Frame 6; I have Frame 8-10 on my system, but can install 7 
on
an older system.
I know early versions of Frame has a Ventura import feature, but I don't
know if it will work with these files.

Is there any way to work with these files? Third-party program suggestions
are welcome too.

My only other thought is some GREP Find/Change work.

Thank you in advance,

David Creamer
IDEAS Training

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