Re: korean font problem

2012-11-09 Thread Wei JIANG [PT-CN] 

Hello Jacob,

I'm rather interested in this. can you be more explicit on this? Had you 
set the Language in the style to Korean?


Kindest,

Wei

On 11/7/2012 10:54 PM, Jakub Dasiewicz wrote:

HI all,

During last project i had problems with dots comas etc. in Korean 
files in Framemaker 7 and 10,

sometimes they were falling to the beginning of the next line.
its on combined font.

any ideas how to fix it?

Thanks
Jacob


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Generating translated online help

2012-11-09 Thread Nancy Allison 
Hi, all.

We use FrameMaker 10 and RoboHelp 9 in a Windows 7 environment.

If you manage many translations, how do you handle the online help? 

In the past, in English only, we have produced a .chm file that currently is 
linked only to the main page through a Help menu item. (If it matters for 
translation considerations, I am pushing hard for context-sensitive help in the 
future.)

Does your translation house take your FrameMaker files and your sample English 
RoboHelp output, and generate the online help for you in all your translated 
languages?

Or do you take the translated FM files and generate the translated help files 
in-house?

I've done my Google research on this topic and found various sites providing 
step-by-step instructions. The writeup I enjoyed most was this:

"Find a localization company who can demonstrate to your satisfaction that it 
has done this before, and hand off the entire English version of your project - 
.hpj, .hhc, .hhk, .htm/.html and, of course, the .chm. Then go back to your 
regularly scheduled crisis. "

from 

http://www.1-for-all.com/l10n_blog/labels/translation%20Robohelp.html

Is that basically how it works for you?

Thanks for any particular tips and hard-won insights you can provide!

--Nancy
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Generating translated online help

2012-11-09 Thread Wim Hooghwinkel 
Hi Nancy,

 

The normal procedure is to get your FrameMaker files translated and handle
the Robohelp project your self,  just like you'd do for English: from the
localized FrameMaker files Robohelp can create a CHM in that same language.

 

You may have to adapt the style sheets for each language (both for FM and
the css for CHM) as well.

 

Simple way of managing is to copy your complete FrameMaker project to
another folder and get that folder translated.

 

If you only let your CHM files translate, you won't be able to do easy
updates in case the FM files change.

 

 

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,

 

Wim Hooghwinkel

 

Information Energy 2013 - Leading Conference on Innovation in Knowledge and
Information Exchange

  IEn2013

 

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Skype wimhooghwinkel

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RE: Generating translated online help

2012-11-09 Thread Combs, Richard 
Wim Hooghwinkel wrote: 
 
> The normal procedure is to get your FrameMaker files translated and
> handle the Robohelp project your self,  just like you'd do for English:
> from the localized FrameMaker files Robohelp can create a CHM in that
> same language.

That may be "normal" in some places. It's not how it's done here.
 
 
> If you only let your CHM files translate, you won't be able to do easy
> updates in case the FM files change.

I don't think that's what the person Nancy quoted was suggesting (and certainly 
not what I'd recommend). It's a false alternative to suggest that the 
translation vendor either provides only translated FM files or provides only 
translated deliverables (whether those are CHM, HTML, PDF, or whatever is 
irrelevant). 

(In any case, if your source files change, there is no "easy update" of the 
target languages. The translation vendor will need to re-translate. Presumably, 
they're using translation memory so that only the deltas have to be translated. 
Whether the deltas are in the FM source or in the deliverable is essentially 
irrelevant.)

Our translation vendor takes the English FM source files and delivers back to 
us both the translated FM source files and the translated deliverables (in my 
case, just PDF, since the online help I author is for a network infrastructure 
product that isn't currently being localized; for other products, it's 
WebHelp). 

IOW, the vendor replicates our process to produce the same deliverables in the 
target languages that we produce in English. This ensures that translated 
deliverables don't have issues with formatting, line or page breaks, etc., 
which wouldn't be obvious to someone who doesn't understand the language. It's 
especially important, IME, for Asian languages. 

Of course, this requires a vendor able and willing to do the desktop 
publishing, help output generation, etc. And it's obviously going to cost more 
than simply getting translated source files and creating the deliverables 
yourself. But the quality will be better. 

So I guess the answer, as usual, is "It depends." :-) 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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Generating translated online help

2012-11-09 Thread Nancy Allison 
Hi, all.

We use FrameMaker 10 and RoboHelp 9 in a Windows 7 environment.

If you manage many translations, how do you handle the online help? 

In the past, in English only, we have produced a .chm file that currently is 
linked only to the main page through a Help menu item. (If it matters for 
translation considerations, I am pushing hard for context-sensitive help in the 
future.)

Does your translation house take your FrameMaker files and your sample English 
RoboHelp output, and generate the online help for you in all your translated 
languages?

Or do you take the translated FM files and generate the translated help files 
in-house?

I've done my Google research on this topic and found various sites providing 
step-by-step instructions. The writeup I enjoyed most was this:

"Find a localization company who can demonstrate to your satisfaction that it 
has done this before, and hand off the entire English version of your project - 
.hpj, .hhc, .hhk, .htm/.html and, of course, the .chm. Then go back to your 
regularly scheduled crisis. "

from 

http://www.1-for-all.com/l10n_blog/labels/translation%20Robohelp.html

Is that basically how it works for you?

Thanks for any particular tips and hard-won insights you can provide!

--Nancy

Generating translated online help

2012-11-09 Thread Wim Hooghwinkel 
Hi Nancy,



The normal procedure is to get your FrameMaker files translated and handle
the Robohelp project your self,  just like you'd do for English: from the
localized FrameMaker files Robohelp can create a CHM in that same language.



You may have to adapt the style sheets for each language (both for FM and
the css for CHM) as well.



Simple way of managing is to copy your complete FrameMaker project to
another folder and get that folder translated.



If you only let your CHM files translate, you won't be able to do easy
updates in case the FM files change.





Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,



Wim Hooghwinkel



Information Energy 2013 - Leading Conference on Innovation in Knowledge and
Information Exchange

 <http://informationenergy.org/> IEn2013



tel. +31652036811

Skype wimhooghwinkel

Twitter @idtp @NLDITA @ien2013

 <mailto:info at idtp.eu> info at idtp.eu 

 <http://www.idtp.eu/> www.idtp.eu



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Generating translated online help

2012-11-09 Thread Combs, Richard 
Wim Hooghwinkel wrote: 

> The normal procedure is to get your FrameMaker files translated and
> handle the Robohelp project your self, ?just like you'd do for English:
> from the localized FrameMaker files Robohelp can create a CHM in that
> same language.

That may be "normal" in some places. It's not how it's done here.

 
> If you only let your CHM files translate, you won't be able to do easy
> updates in case the FM files change.

I don't think that's what the person Nancy quoted was suggesting (and certainly 
not what I'd recommend). It's a false alternative to suggest that the 
translation vendor either provides only translated FM files or provides only 
translated deliverables (whether those are CHM, HTML, PDF, or whatever is 
irrelevant). 

(In any case, if your source files change, there is no "easy update" of the 
target languages. The translation vendor will need to re-translate. Presumably, 
they're using translation memory so that only the deltas have to be translated. 
Whether the deltas are in the FM source or in the deliverable is essentially 
irrelevant.)

Our translation vendor takes the English FM source files and delivers back to 
us both the translated FM source files and the translated deliverables (in my 
case, just PDF, since the online help I author is for a network infrastructure 
product that isn't currently being localized; for other products, it's 
WebHelp). 

IOW, the vendor replicates our process to produce the same deliverables in the 
target languages that we produce in English. This ensures that translated 
deliverables don't have issues with formatting, line or page breaks, etc., 
which wouldn't be obvious to someone who doesn't understand the language. It's 
especially important, IME, for Asian languages. 

Of course, this requires a vendor able and willing to do the desktop 
publishing, help output generation, etc. And it's obviously going to cost more 
than simply getting translated source files and creating the deliverables 
yourself. But the quality will be better. 

So I guess the answer, as usual, is "It depends." :-) 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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korean font problem

2012-11-09 Thread Jakub Dasiewicz 
Hello Wei

yes the language style is Korean all settings in windows are Korean too ?all 
the asian settingin framemaker am de to 0 ?what else i can say?everything?seems 
?to look ok, but it still happens.
I read something that you can block this in mif files in kumihan tables you can 
find it in framemaker documents but i dont have idea how to do it.
if you have any i can try anything?

regards,
Jacob
From: Wei JIANG [PT-CN] 
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012, 2:28
Subject: Re: korean font problem


Hello Jacob,

I'm rather interested in this. can you be more explicit on this?
  Had you set the Language in the style to Korean?

Kindest,

Wei

On 11/7/2012 10:54 PM, Jakub Dasiewicz wrote:

HI all,
>
>
>During last project i had problems with dots comas etc. in Korean files in 
>Framemaker 7 and 10,?
>sometimes they were falling to the beginning of the next line.
>its on combined font.?
>
>
>any ideas how to fix it?
>
>
>Thanks?
>Jacob
>
>
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korean font problem

2012-11-09 Thread Jakub Dasiewicz 
Hi Judy,

thanks a lot for that i already?tried this, as well i tink it is like that?

regards,
Jacob?



 From: Judy Crittenden 
To: Jakub Dasiewicz ; "framers at 
lists.frameusers.com"  
Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012, 1:08
Subject: RE: korean font problem


We have discovered that the punctuation in the Korean text ?floats? rather than 
stays with the text. ?This means that periods and commas can and do float to 
the beginning of the next line at will.? We have found that setting the Asian 
character spacing in the Paragraph Designer to 0.0% does minimize the 
occurrence of this problem.? Please see my attached screen shot.? I hope this 
helps you.
?
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Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 6:55 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: korean font problem
?
HI all,
?
During last project i had problems with dots comas etc. in Korean files in 
Framemaker 7 and 10,?
sometimes they were falling to the beginning of the next line.
its on combined font.?
?
any ideas how to fix it?
?
Thanks?
Jacob
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Generating translated online help

2012-11-09 Thread Wroblewski, Victoria 

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Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 11:00:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Nancy Allison 
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Generating translated online help

Hi, all.

We use FrameMaker 10 and RoboHelp 9 in a Windows 7 environment.

If you manage many translations, how do you handle the online help? 

In the past, in English only, we have produced a .chm file that currently is 
linked only to the main page through a Help menu item. (If it matters for 
translation considerations, I am pushing hard for context-sensitive help in the 
future.)

Does your translation house take your FrameMaker files and your sample English 
RoboHelp output, and generate the online help for you in all your translated 
languages?

Or do you take the translated FM files and generate the translated help files 
in-house?

 (snip)
--

The big benefit to generating the files in-house is that you have more control 
over them.  If you may need to change any settings for the project, or may need 
to change information (like they decide to rename the product at the last 
minute), it's much easier to just do them rather than re-submit to a 
translations house, etc.  Also, if you suddenly find you have to produce 
something else, you can cobble things together with what you already have 
translated (within the past year, we needed to quickly throw together a quick 
reference and we luckily had all the information we needed from the Frame files 
for a help project, which we had gotten translated - was the work of about 30 
minutes to have a PDF of the information in all the translated languages).

That said... you do have to plan for your own time to generate all the files.  
If you do decide to create them in-house, you also need to make sure you have a 
localized template if you're importing from Frame (so all the things like auto 
text are also translated into the languages you need, etc.).

It is a much more sane process to just send them the output files and have them 
return output files, but usually if there are risks of parts of the project 
changing or needing to re-purpose your translations, it's often the best 
practice to generate your help in-house.

- V