[Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 dependencies

2009-05-27 Thread Tres Seaver
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Raphael Ritz wrote:
 Wichert Akkerman wrote:
 I seem to remember the plan was to target Plone 4 for CMF 2.2 and Zope
 2.11, but as you can see below that does not appear to be possible.
 
 So that means Zope 2.12 instead, right?
 
 Do we have an estimate of what that implies on our side?
 
 Generally speaking, I'm a bit uncomfortable with jumping
 from Zope 2.10.x to 2.12.x as this will reduce the chances
 of reacting to deprecation warnings which is of particular
 importance for all our add-on developers. I'm afraid we'll
 see lots of broken add-ons without prior warnings.
 
 If there is nothing we can do about this (and it seems so)
 we could still consider to have Plone 3.x move to Zope 2.11
 with 3.4 or 3.5.
 
 Just thinking out loud (and without knowing myself how much
 differences there are between Zope 2.10 and 12 that do affect
 us) ...

An outsider's take:  I would strongly urge that a release-by-year-end
Plone4 use Zope 2.12.  There is no compelling technical reason to hold
off, and plenty of time to test and iron out any issues.  Staying
up-to-date gets you a migration path to a Python version (2.6) which
will be supported for a reasonable time frame (2.4 is effectively out of
support now;  2.5 is at the end of its support life).  It will also
allow Plone to use the fully eggified Zope, and rip out lots of
workarounds (fake eggs, anyone).



Tres.
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Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 dependencies

2009-05-27 Thread Matthew Wilkes


On 26 May 2009, at 10:59, Hanno Schlichting wrote:


I think someone has to try and see what kind of changes are acutally
required to make a current Plone 3.3rc3 run on Zope 2.12 or even  
better

a real client side with a collection of add-ons.


I doubt it's very hard, a concerted effort by me and Sidnei at the  
last Summer of Code summit left us with Plone trunk working on Zope  
trunk, and that was only a few weeks after the conference.  Zope  
really was where most of the changes needed to be, I do think  
targeting 4.0 to Zope 2.12 is feasible and proper.


Matt

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Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 dependencies

2009-05-27 Thread Andreas Jung
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 22:47, Matthew Wilkes
matt...@matthewwilkes.co.ukwrote:


 On 26 May 2009, at 10:59, Hanno Schlichting wrote:

  I think someone has to try and see what kind of changes are acutally
 required to make a current Plone 3.3rc3 run on Zope 2.12 or even better
 a real client side with a collection of add-ons.


 I doubt it's very hard, a concerted effort by me and Sidnei at the last
 Summer of Code summit left us with Plone trunk working on Zope trunk, and
 that was only a few weeks after the conference.  Zope really was where most
 of the changes needed to be, I do think targeting 4.0 to Zope 2.12 is
 feasible and proper.


+1

Andreas
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