Re: [Framework-Team] Re: NuPlone and Plone 3.2
On Jan 27, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 1/27/09 1:28 PM, Andreas Zeidler wrote: apart from that i'm wondering what the status is?! it's been two full weeks since the last post in this thread and 3.2.1 is still not out. is anything blocking this or why does it take that long? wichert, can you comment, please? There was never a rush to do a 3.2.1 since this is something that can be (and was) fixed fully in the installers. For the rest we'll do 3.2.1 according to the normal schedule next week. and that's also when plone.org will be updated accordingly? andi -- zeidler it consulting - http://zitc.de/ - i...@zitc.de friedelstraße 31 - 12047 berlin - telefon +49 30 25563779 pgp key at http://zitc.de/pgp - http://wwwkeys.de.pgp.net/ plone 3.2rc1 released! -- http://plone.org/products/plone/ PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Re: NuPlone and Plone 3.2
On Jan 13, 2009, at 12:01 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Why on earth is Products.NuPlone not in the Plone 3.2 egg? Is this in purpose or just a gross oversight? Ok, I've released Products.NuPlone 1.0b3. you got the release year wrong, but that's just a minor detail... apart from that i'm wondering what the status is?! it's been two full weeks since the last post in this thread and 3.2.1 is still not out. is anything blocking this or why does it take that long? wichert, can you comment, please? cheers, andi -- zeidler it consulting - http://zitc.de/ - i...@zitc.de friedelstraße 31 - 12047 berlin - telefon +49 30 25563779 pgp key at http://zitc.de/pgp - http://wwwkeys.de.pgp.net/ plone 3.1.7 released! -- http://plone.org/products/plone/ PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Re: NuPlone and Plone 3.2
On 1/27/09 1:28 PM, Andreas Zeidler wrote: On Jan 13, 2009, at 12:01 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Why on earth is Products.NuPlone not in the Plone 3.2 egg? Is this in purpose or just a gross oversight? Ok, I've released Products.NuPlone 1.0b3. you got the release year wrong, but that's just a minor detail... apart from that i'm wondering what the status is?! it's been two full weeks since the last post in this thread and 3.2.1 is still not out. is anything blocking this or why does it take that long? wichert, can you comment, please? There was never a rush to do a 3.2.1 since this is something that can be (and was) fixed fully in the installers. For the rest we'll do 3.2.1 according to the normal schedule next week. Wichert. ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Re: NuPlone and Plone 3.2
On 13.01.2009, at 00:14, Hanno Schlichting wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: The question now is how we deal with the release. We could: - Add Products.NuPlone as a dependency of the Plone egg. This would mean 'Plone' always comes with NuPlone, but there's no reason overt for the dependency. +1. Plone 3 ships with NuPlone in the same way it does with CMFEditions or any other package, we shouldn't change this in the 3.x series. Please introduce no special handling of it. +1 Hanno ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
[Framework-Team] Re: NuPlone and Plone 3.2
Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi, Why on earth is Products.NuPlone not in the Plone 3.2 egg? Is this in purpose or just a gross oversight? Ok, I've released Products.NuPlone 1.0b3. This one should be compatible with 3.2. You can use it straight away by adding Products.NuPlone to your eggs. The question now is how we deal with the release. We could: - Add Products.NuPlone as a dependency of the Plone egg. This would mean 'Plone' always comes with NuPlone, but there's no reason overt for the dependency. - Add it to the [versions] block, but require people to list it explicitly in their buildout's eggs section. - Do this, but let the installers default to having it listed in the eggs section. Thoughts? Martin -- Author of `Professional Plone Development`, a book for developers who want to work with Plone. See http://martinaspeli.net/plone-book ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
[Framework-Team] Re: NuPlone and Plone 3.2
Martin Aspeli wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi, Why on earth is Products.NuPlone not in the Plone 3.2 egg? Is this in purpose or just a gross oversight? Ok, I've released Products.NuPlone 1.0b3. This one should be compatible with 3.2. You can use it straight away by adding Products.NuPlone to your eggs. The question now is how we deal with the release. We could: - Add Products.NuPlone as a dependency of the Plone egg. This would mean 'Plone' always comes with NuPlone, but there's no reason overt for the dependency. +1. Plone 3 ships with NuPlone in the same way it does with CMFEditions or any other package, we shouldn't change this in the 3.x series. Please introduce no special handling of it. Hanno ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Re: NuPlone and Plone 3.2
+1. Plone 3 ships with NuPlone in the same way it does with CMFEditions or any other package, we shouldn't change this in the 3.x series. +1 Nothing should break on a 3.x upgrade unless we've thought it through carefully and intend to break it. On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Hanno Schlichting hanno...@hannosch.eu wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi, Why on earth is Products.NuPlone not in the Plone 3.2 egg? Is this in purpose or just a gross oversight? Ok, I've released Products.NuPlone 1.0b3. This one should be compatible with 3.2. You can use it straight away by adding Products.NuPlone to your eggs. The question now is how we deal with the release. We could: - Add Products.NuPlone as a dependency of the Plone egg. This would mean 'Plone' always comes with NuPlone, but there's no reason overt for the dependency. +1. Plone 3 ships with NuPlone in the same way it does with CMFEditions or any other package, we shouldn't change this in the 3.x series. Please introduce no special handling of it. Hanno ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team -- Steve McMahon Reid-McMahon, LLC st...@reidmcmahon.com st...@dcn.org ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Re: NuPlone and Plone 3.2
On 04.01.2009, at 04:06, Martin Aspeli wrote: Matthew Wilkes wrote: On 3 Jan 2009, at 07:55, Graham Perrin wrote: In partial answer, http://dev.plone.org/plone/wiki/WheredItGoOnPloneTrunk http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/8805 http://dev.plone.org/plone/query?component=NuPlone+Themeorder=iddesc=1 http://dev.plone.org/plone/changeset/23493 Regards Graham Those are all Plone 4, not 3.2. I'm guessing NuPlone simply wasn't added as to the new Plone distribution after the bundle was abandoned. This is actually really bad, and I think it should block the 3.2 full release (i.e. with installers). for the record (and as the only 3.x fwt member chiming in on this so far): absolutely +1 for... Anyone who has a site with NuPlone installed will find that it breaks when they upgrade to 3.2. This is precisely the kind of thing we said we wouldn't do in the 3.x series, and in 3.2 in particular, which was supposed to be feature-identical, just re-packaged. ... precisely this reason ;) I did try to add Products.NuPlone as an egg manually, but that doesn't work either, because it has a spurious dependency on Products.CMFPlone. I think we need to: 1) Get a release of Products.NuPlone that works with 3.2 out to PyPI and dist.plone.org immediately. 2) Update the Plone egg to depend on it in a 3.2.1 release. +1 as this basically amounts to a bug fix 3) Base the installers and the release announcement on this version. i can't remember which version but wasn't there a plone version that skipped a minor version and went straight to the next higher one? at any rate i'd say this would be the most straight forward way to deal with this issue. but let's wait and see what wichert has to say on this, i'm just adding my $0.02 as fwt member. cheers, tom Wichert, what do you think? Martin -- Author of `Professional Plone Development`, a book for developers who want to work with Plone. See http://martinaspeli.net/plone-book ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
[Framework-Team] Re: NuPlone and Plone 3.2
Martin Aspeli wrote: Wichert - I'm assuming you've been away for the weekend, but once you get this, could you at least grant a few people, including me, PyPI access to Products.NuPlone? We then also need to make the 3.2.1 release that includes NuPlone ASAP. I just spoke to Wichert. He's on vacation in a far remote place. He'll be back next week to follow up. From what I can tell we just need to wait with a re-release until then. Hanno ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
[Framework-Team] Re: NuPlone and Plone 3.2
Matthew Wilkes wrote: On 3 Jan 2009, at 07:55, Graham Perrin wrote: In partial answer, http://dev.plone.org/plone/wiki/WheredItGoOnPloneTrunk http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/8805 http://dev.plone.org/plone/query?component=NuPlone+Themeorder=iddesc=1 http://dev.plone.org/plone/changeset/23493 Regards Graham Those are all Plone 4, not 3.2. I'm guessing NuPlone simply wasn't added as to the new Plone distribution after the bundle was abandoned. This is actually really bad, and I think it should block the 3.2 full release (i.e. with installers). Anyone who has a site with NuPlone installed will find that it breaks when they upgrade to 3.2. This is precisely the kind of thing we said we wouldn't do in the 3.x series, and in 3.2 in particular, which was supposed to be feature-identical, just re-packaged. I did try to add Products.NuPlone as an egg manually, but that doesn't work either, because it has a spurious dependency on Products.CMFPlone. I think we need to: 1) Get a release of Products.NuPlone that works with 3.2 out to PyPI and dist.plone.org immediately. 2) Update the Plone egg to depend on it in a 3.2.1 release. 3) Base the installers and the release announcement on this version. Wichert, what do you think? Martin -- Author of `Professional Plone Development`, a book for developers who want to work with Plone. See http://martinaspeli.net/plone-book ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
[Framework-Team] Re: NuPlone and Plone 3.2
This is actually really bad, and I think it should block the 3.2 full release (i.e. with installers). +1 ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Re: NuPlone and Plone 3.2
(ccing wiggy in as a ping as he requested for such issues in #8839) On 4 Jan 2009, at 03:06, Martin Aspeli wrote: This is actually really bad, and I think it should block the 3.2 full release (i.e. with installers). +1 I think we need to: 1) Get a release of Products.NuPlone that works with 3.2 out to PyPI and dist.plone.org immediately. 2) Update the Plone egg to depend on it in a 3.2.1 release. 3) Base the installers and the release announcement on this version. 3a) Remove existing release announcement from prominent places Matt ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
[Framework-Team] Re: NuPlone and Plone 3.2
On 2009-01-04, Martin Aspeli optil...@gmx.net wrote: I did try to add Products.NuPlone as an egg manually, but that doesn't work either, because it has a spurious dependency on Products.CMFPlone. True, although adding it as a source egg (in a pinch) seems to work. I think we need to: 1) Get a release of Products.NuPlone that works with 3.2 out to PyPI and dist.plone.org immediately. 2) Update the Plone egg to depend on it in a 3.2.1 release. 3) Base the installers and the release announcement on this version. Wichert, what do you think? Martin -- Alex Clark · http://aclark.net Buy Practical Plone: http://tinyurl.com/practical-plone ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Re: NuPlone and Plone 3.2
On 3 Jan 2009, at 07:55, Graham Perrin wrote: http://dev.plone.org/plone/query?component=NuPlone+Themeorder=iddesc=1 On 2009-01-04, Martin Aspeli optil...@gmx.net wrote: I did try to add Products.NuPlone as an egg manually, but that doesn't work either, because it has a spurious dependency on Products.CMFPlone. That sounds like #8685 amongst the collection referenced above, I don't know whether the workaround within that ticket is proper ... ... on 4 Jan 2009, at 04:14, Alex Clark wrote: adding it as a source egg (in a pinch) seems to work. --- On 4 Jan 2009, at 03:24, Matthew Wilkes wrote: 3a) Remove existing release announcement from prominent places Removed from /topic at irc://irc.freenode.net/#plone thanks to aclark. ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
