Re: [Framework-Team] Supported Plone Releases
my question is: how can the fwt decide this question if the key issue is the available man power and willingness to perform the actual support for a particular version. we can decide to support 2.5 but that alone doesn't make it so. personally, alec's statement would be enough for me to have 2.5 officially supported, but that's just a gut feeling based on my past experiences with the man ;-) it's certainly not an informed decision. how should or rather how could we possibly handle such a question? pondering in bristol, tom On 10.12.2008, at 21:57, Jon Stahl wrote: -Original Message- From: framework-team-boun...@lists.plone.org [mailto:framework-team- boun...@lists.plone.org] On Behalf Of Wichert Akkerman Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:53 PM To: framework-team@lists.plone.org Subject: Re: [Framework-Team] Supported Plone Releases Previously Jon Stahl wrote: -Original Message- From: framework-team-boun...@lists.plone.org [mailto:framework-team- boun...@lists.plone.org] On Behalf Of Steve McMahon Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:31 AM To: Framework Team Subject: Re: [Framework-Team] Supported Plone Releases Why bring this up on the framework team list? The framework team is not a governing body. Then, who is? I certainly think that if the framework team makes a decision on this, it would be widely respected and supported. I think that the PF Board would prefer not to make the decision, in order to continue the tradition of the board not governing development. And, I think the developer list is way too wide open. +1, I believe the board would vastly prefer not to set the precedent of making technical decisions about Plone. The Foundation protects and promotes; the community develops. :-) But this is not a technical decision at all. This is a decision about our ability and willpower to dedicate resources (skilled manpower) to accopmlish something. True enough. But I think there is a long-standing consensus that decisions regarding what software gets built and released should rest with the community, not the board. And the center of consensus in the community is the framework team, especially for decisions that require focused effort from a few highly skilled people. Like I said, I think the board is in generally in favor of this. But that's different from us deciding to continue making security fixes to 2.5.x. The community needs to decide to do that if feels it can/ should. And I think the community will tend to follow the framework team's lead here. :jon ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Supported Plone Releases
Previously Calvin Hendryx-Parker wrote: I just noticed that on the PSC the Plone 2.5.5 release is listed as not supported. I'd suggest that unless we have sent an email to the announce list that the latest 2.5.x relases still be supported. I also noticed that some of the older 3.1 releases are still listed as supported. Is there a reason that those aren't listed as unsupported since there is a 3.1 that would supersede them? Why bring this up on the framework team list? The framework team is not a governing body. Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple. ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Supported Plone Releases
On 12/10/08 5:24 PM, Calvin Hendryx-Parker wrote: On Dec 10, 2008, at 11:22 AM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Calvin Hendryx-Parker wrote: I just noticed that on the PSC the Plone 2.5.5 release is listed as not supported. I'd suggest that unless we have sent an email to the announce list that the latest 2.5.x relases still be supported. I also noticed that some of the older 3.1 releases are still listed as supported. Is there a reason that those aren't listed as unsupported since there is a 3.1 that would supersede them? Why bring this up on the framework team list? The framework team is not a governing body. I was pointed this direction by Steve, where should this go? Likely candidates would be: the foundation board, the 2.5 release manager and the developers list. Wichert. ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
RE: [Framework-Team] Supported Plone Releases
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:framework-team- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wichert Akkerman Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:53 PM To: framework-team@lists.plone.org Subject: Re: [Framework-Team] Supported Plone Releases Previously Jon Stahl wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:framework-team- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve McMahon Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:31 AM To: Framework Team Subject: Re: [Framework-Team] Supported Plone Releases Why bring this up on the framework team list? The framework team is not a governing body. Then, who is? I certainly think that if the framework team makes a decision on this, it would be widely respected and supported. I think that the PF Board would prefer not to make the decision, in order to continue the tradition of the board not governing development. And, I think the developer list is way too wide open. +1, I believe the board would vastly prefer not to set the precedent of making technical decisions about Plone. The Foundation protects and promotes; the community develops. :-) But this is not a technical decision at all. This is a decision about our ability and willpower to dedicate resources (skilled manpower) to accopmlish something. True enough. But I think there is a long-standing consensus that decisions regarding what software gets built and released should rest with the community, not the board. And the center of consensus in the community is the framework team, especially for decisions that require focused effort from a few highly skilled people. Like I said, I think the board is in generally in favor of this. But that's different from us deciding to continue making security fixes to 2.5.x. The community needs to decide to do that if feels it can/should. And I think the community will tend to follow the framework team's lead here. :jon ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
