Re: [Frameworks] Kodak filing for bankruptcy?
Have you tried the orwo? I prefer the orwo stocks. Also fuji neopan is an amazing stock and maybe now will start carrying it in the US. I agree that 7363 is a good stock but there are other options too. If anything we should start pressuring fuji reps in ny and la to carry neopan... On Sep 30, 2011 9:55 PM, 40 Frames i...@40frames.org wrote: True, other manufacturers make film... but nobody but Kodak makes 7363. ORWO may have something similar to 7302, but they have no HiCon stocks like 7363. Alain On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:31 PM, sef208 sef...@gmail.com wrote: The art form does not depend on one company. There are other companies that make motion picture.film and perhaps they will fill in the market. Kodak's products have been steadily getting worse anyway. On Sep 30, 2011 6:27 PM, Jason Halprin jihalp...@yahoo.com wrote: Quoting: Fred Camper f...@fredcamper.com The article implies that the bankruptcy that Kodak is considering wold allow it to continue to operate. I don't think liquidiation is in the cards anytime soon. I concure. I have heard through the rumormill that the Motion Picture division of Kodak has continued to remain profitable. Since all of the equipment used to manufacture the actual film is an older technology, it wouldn't make much sense to liquidate it. The value would be little more than the scrap value of its parts, so it would seem reasonable to keep it operational, and therefore profitable. I wouldn't expect too much more RD, but as long as there is a Kodak company based in Rochester, I don't think we'll see the disappearance of film. However, it also seems likely that when the plug is pulled on film stock, and more importantly, the commercial manufacture of processing chemistry, it will be sudden. Then again, there's some companies down the chain (post-houses that specialize in film scans, for one) that rely on film as a continued capture medium might step up at that point to purchase some of the manufacturing facilities and silver-halide related patents. If they could purchase things for pennies-on-the-dollar (as they might through a liquidation), they could then run these units at a very low profit, or even a slight loss, if only to keep the filmstock flowing as long as possible. I'm not holding my breathe on this scenario, but my fingers are crossed. As I write this I'm realizing just how difficult it would be to convince a lender to financially support a plan to vertically integrate a post-house into a declining industrial field. -Jason Halprin ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- 40 FRAMES Alain LeTourneau Pam Minty 40 FRAMES 5232 N Williams Ave Portland, Oregon 97217 USA +1 503 231 6548 www.40frames.org www.16mmdirectory.org www.emptyquarterfilm.org ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Community Dark Room Bay Area
Does anyone know of a community dark room in the bay area that is friendly towards folks processing cine-film? I have been processing at Rayco, but they have been charging me to use a private room and it is getting rather cost prohibitive. I am only processing black and white negative so my chemical needs are fairly benign. Any advice on places to process would be greatly appreciated. Also if anyone has been waiting for the perfect time to start a darkroom, lets do it. I have lots of supplies!!! -Eric Stewart ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Kodak filing for bankruptcy?
In a message dated 10/1/2011 9:58:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, i...@40frames.org writes: And Neopan is not currently available in the US Don't know why this has ever been a question for Fuji? Alain I've repeatedly asked the Fuji people in Hollywood about this, and they just giggle and change the subject and tell me that Fuji has other great film stocks. It must be that yes means no thing. And like it's none of our damned business. So to hell with them. J.C. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Kodak filing for bankruptcy?
In a message dated 10/1/2011 6:40:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, djte...@gmail.com writes: Kodak death humor: Gizmodo put the situation thusly. Have you taken a look at Kodak's stock today? Get a good look while you can, because it's shitting the bed worse than a disemboweled E. coli patient - already down 60%, to less than a dollar. This is how it ends. We've known the company's in dire financial shape, but this looks like the beginning of the crew abandoning ship. You can't even order off the Dollar Menu with a share of Eastman Kodak. Vile scribblings like these is the reason why this country has gotten so despicable. When sleazy outfits like 'Tumblr -- which has no assets and no production capacity and does absolutely nothing in the world-- is treated like a Prince on Wall Street, but a grand old company like Kodak is treated like a dick, then you know things have gotten really insane. Stock up, boys.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Kodak filing for bankruptcy?
I asked the fuji rep in new york and he said that it wouldn't be profitable enough in the US for fuji to bother... unless Kodak went under...The more pressure we put on them, the more demand they will perceive. There is still a pretty good demand for black and white film. Perhaps fuji will change it's tune now...it's definitely better than sitting around and whining about kodak's demise. seth On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 12:29 PM, carli...@aol.com wrote: ** In a message dated 10/1/2011 9:58:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, i...@40frames.org writes: And Neopan is not currently available in the US Don't know why this has ever been a question for Fuji? Alain I've repeatedly asked the Fuji people in Hollywood about this, and they just giggle and change the subject and tell me that Fuji has other great film stocks. It must be that yes means no thing. And like it's none of our damned business. So to hell with them. J.C. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Kodak filing for bankruptcy?
re Fuji Neopan: I assume it would be way more expensive than Kodaks offering which is why they probably don't bother. I assume Fred is right and that Kodak will file for Chapter 11 protection assuming the patent sale doesn't go thru. To be honest it might be a good thing in a way, as selling the patents seems a bit like selling the family silver. I get the impression the guy running the place is just trying to stretch things out as long as he can so he can keep getting paid which is not a great business strategy for the future. love Freya --- On Sat, 10/1/11, sef208 sef...@gmail.com wrote: From: sef208 sef...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kodak filing for bankruptcy? To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 8:41 PM I asked the fuji rep in new york and he said that it wouldn't be profitable enough in the US for fuji to bother... unless Kodak went under...The more pressure we put on them, the more demand they will perceive. There is still a pretty good demand for black and white film. Perhaps fuji will change it's tune now...it's definitely better than sitting around and whining about kodak's demise. seth On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 12:29 PM, carli...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 10/1/2011 9:58:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, i...@40frames.org writes: And Neopan is not currently available in the US Don't know why this has ever been a question for Fuji? Alain I've repeatedly asked the Fuji people in Hollywood about this, and they just giggle and change the subject and tell me that Fuji has other great film stocks. It must be that yes means no thing. And like it's none of our damned business. So to hell with them. J.C. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Kodak filing for bankruptcy?
I don't know about the cost of Neopan motion picture stock elsewhere in the world... (Neopan still film is relatively cheap in the states, cheaper than Ilford by a lot and at the price point of films like Efke and Arista) but in the states ORWO is expensive by comparison. As it is today, 7363 is $51 USD per 400' roll, and if you get an educational discount it's around $40. And its Ortho, so you can process under safe light. ORWO stock was (last I checked) almost double this price. So, while there does exist alternatives, they cost more. And I don't see a stock in the product line that would be comparable to 7363. BTW Seth, if you want to draft and circulate a letter asking Fuji to distribute Neopan in the US, I'd sign it. And I'll overlook your comment about whinning. Alain On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Freya freya...@yahoo.com wrote: re Fuji Neopan: I assume it would be way more expensive than Kodaks offering which is why they probably don't bother. I assume Fred is right and that Kodak will file for Chapter 11 protection assuming the patent sale doesn't go thru. To be honest it might be a good thing in a way, as selling the patents seems a bit like selling the family silver. I get the impression the guy running the place is just trying to stretch things out as long as he can so he can keep getting paid which is not a great business strategy for the future. love Freya --- On *Sat, 10/1/11, sef208 sef...@gmail.com* wrote: From: sef208 sef...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kodak filing for bankruptcy? To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 8:41 PM I asked the fuji rep in new york and he said that it wouldn't be profitable enough in the US for fuji to bother... unless Kodak went under...The more pressure we put on them, the more demand they will perceive. There is still a pretty good demand for black and white film. Perhaps fuji will change it's tune now...it's definitely better than sitting around and whining about kodak's demise. seth On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 12:29 PM, carli...@aol.comhttp://mc/compose?to=carli...@aol.com wrote: ** In a message dated 10/1/2011 9:58:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, i...@40frames.org http://mc/compose?to=i...@40frames.org writes: And Neopan is not currently available in the US Don't know why this has ever been a question for Fuji? Alain I've repeatedly asked the Fuji people in Hollywood about this, and they just giggle and change the subject and tell me that Fuji has other great film stocks. It must be that yes means no thing. And like it's none of our damned business. So to hell with them. J.C. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comhttp://mc/compose?to=FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comhttp://mc/compose?to=FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- 40 FRAMES Alain LeTourneau Pam Minty 40 FRAMES 5232 N Williams Ave Portland, Oregon 97217 USA +1 503 231 6548 www.40frames.org www.16mmdirectory.org www.emptyquarterfilm.org ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Anti-static film cleaner recs
For a looper you need something fast drying. These days that means either an isopropanol or perchloroethylene base. I've used the Edwal version of the latter to clean footage on a looper and it worked well: you can see the cleaner evaporate before it winds into the take-up. Perch is dry-cleaning fluid, so if you know a dry-cleaner, you could score some on the cheap and dissolve a bit of paraffin in it to lubricate the film. Kodak used to suggest pure isopropyl with paraffin as a cleaner/lubricant... Hi all, Any recommendations for anti-static film cleaner? I'm running some continuous loops and the film-tech website seems to say that filmguard can't be used with endless platter loops. Thanks! Sarah Buccheri Milwaukee ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Kodak filing for bankruptcy?
or maybe someone on frameworks lives in east asia and can buy some and ship it people in US for small fee? On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:06 PM, carli...@aol.com wrote: ** In a message dated 10/1/2011 8:38:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sef...@gmail.com writes: I asked the fuji rep in new york and he said that it wouldn't be profitable enough in the US for fuji to bother... unless Kodak went under...The more pressure we put on them, the more demand they will perceive. There is still a pretty good demand for black and white film. Perhaps fuji will change it's tune now...it's definitely better than sitting around and whining about kodak's demise. seth How much would it cost them just to ship a few cases to their U.S. offices? And put it on their stock list? Neopan MP used to be available in Europe, but not sure any more. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
