[Frameworks] You killed the Underground: in honor of Lawrence Brose
quoting: So whokilled the Underground film? Well to some extent probably artists like me whostressed the Avant-garde, Experimental concept of film and now of video and digitalcinema, stepping away from the Underground's transgressive roots. But also thetransgression changed. In contemporary western culture, many of the life-style conflictshave disappeared even if the underlying political inequalities and repressions remain.Outside the political arena it is increasingly difficult to find content thatshocks. Mainstreamcinema and television exploit all forms of sexuality and violence on a daily basis.The media and news corporations have made us immune spectators. But even withinour own experimental film history, as well as more aesthetic, abstract orpoetic directions,the underground film's broad counter-cultural trajectory has itself sub-divided intospecific territories: feminism; gay identity; issues of race and ethnicity; orsocio- politicaldocumentary. So whatof You killed the Underground Film, or [the real Meaning of] Kunst bleibt. . bleibt .. [the title of Wilhelm Hein's recent work] and Wilhelm Hein'scontinuing work as afilm-maker, artist? This long, and still growing, work has no stylisticconstraints - it can goin any direction it likes or Wilhelm Hein likes. Or maybe even where Wilhelm does notlike. It is still an underground film where anything - any thought, any idea,any image -can and must be accepted. This includes the unthinkable, the unsavory, thetaste- less orthe trivial. As with earlier works like Manson, Biggs, and Hein,(made with Birgit)Wilhelm continues to find his subjects - resolutely points his camera outsidethe conventionaland acceptable. His attitude is not didactic - he is not dealing withissues - he has areal engagement with the people he films. His films remain raw, his nerves and sinewsremain exposed and the works expose us beyond our expectations and desires. And theyare good and engaging works of cinema. He has resisted academic engagement andremains abrasive in his relationship with the institutional world of art. Hehas never splitthe elements or themes of his work into their sub-categories and continues toexplore politics,sexuality, psychology, image, aesthetics, movement and temporality as integrated andinseparable elements of his life and art. He reminds us, we other film-makers,that our jobas artists is to explore any conceivable subject without compromise. MalcolmLe Grice March 2,2012 Jenseitsder Trampelpfade: Fachblattfür Fotografie Film und andere Kunst Heft 14 apublication of Wilhelm Hein and Annette Frick ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] HDMI to Thunderbolt
I'm using a Thunderbolt to HDMI mini display port adapter to import the output of my Direct TV HD receiver into Final Cut. The adapter is plugged into the computer and the HDMI from the satellite is plugged into the adapter. Pretty straightforward, but it doesn’t work. Final Cut doesn’t recognize any input. I know HDMI is coming out of the satellite receiver because a splitter sends the same signal to my TV. The splitter removes copy protection, so that can’t be the problem. In contrast, I also use a Firewire to Thunderbolt adapter (not HDMI) to import DVcam tapes into Final Cut, and that works fine. I notice that the Firewire/Thunderbolt adapter is NOT called a “mini display port.” It has no name. What does that suggest, and why am I having this problem? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] HDMI to Thunderbolt
Hi Gene, The HDMI to Thunderbolt adapter is an output not an input device.For importing HDMI via thunderbolt, check out some of the blackmagic products, like https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/ca/products There are external cards like the BlackMagic Intensity line, or their complex Ultra Studio 4k, and even the Terranex processor. You're looking at around $350 to start up to $2000 but that's what it costs to capture HMDI via Thunderbolt, not a $30 output converter. Best of luck, Deco Dawson On 12/17/14 9:54 AM, Gene Youngblood ato...@comcast.net wrote: I'm using a Thunderbolt to HDMI mini display port adapter to import the output of my Direct TV HD receiver into Final Cut. The adapter is plugged into the computer and the HDMI from the satellite is plugged into the adapter. Pretty straightforward, but it doesn¹t work. Final Cut doesn¹t recognize any input. I know HDMI is coming out of the satellite receiver because a splitter sends the same signal to my TV. The splitter removes copy protection, so that can¹t be the problem. In contrast, I also use a Firewire to Thunderbolt adapter (not HDMI) to import DVcam tapes into Final Cut, and that works fine. I notice that the Firewire/Thunderbolt adapter is NOT called a ³mini display port.² It has no name. What does that suggest, and why am I having this problem? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks www.decodawson.com www.thelastsurrealist.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] HDMI to Thunderbolt
Hi Gene, This one should work for you: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=892451gclid=CK61gaTIzcICFeVj7Aod_SYARwQ=is=REGA=details I believe you'd just capture the footage with the blackmagic software that comes with the device. best of luck, Warren On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Gene Youngblood ato...@comcast.net wrote: I'm using a Thunderbolt to HDMI mini display port adapter to import the output of my Direct TV HD receiver into Final Cut. The adapter is plugged into the computer and the HDMI from the satellite is plugged into the adapter. Pretty straightforward, but it doesn’t work. Final Cut doesn’t recognize any input. I know HDMI is coming out of the satellite receiver because a splitter sends the same signal to my TV. The splitter removes copy protection, so that can’t be the problem. In contrast, I also use a Firewire to Thunderbolt adapter (not HDMI) to import DVcam tapes into Final Cut, and that works fine. I notice that the Firewire/Thunderbolt adapter is NOT called a “mini display port.” It has no name. What does that suggest, and why am I having this problem? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] HDMI to Thunderbolt
My mistake. Yep, that's the one. Same price. As Deco pointed out, make sure it is labeled recorder not monitor - Warren On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:20 PM, D Dawson decodaw...@shaw.ca wrote: Hi Gene, I believe the one Warren suggested is the same as you are doing (output to a monitor) you want the “recorder version” which is here: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/892453-REG/Blackmagic_Design_bdlkulsdzminrec_Ultrastudio_Mini_Recorder.html Best, Deco On 12/17/14 11:32 AM, Warren Cockerham warrencocker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gene, This one should work for you: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=892451gclid=CK61gaTIzcICFeVj7Aod_SYARwQ=is=REGA=details http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=amp;sku=892451amp;gclid=CK61gaTIzcICFeVj7Aod_SYARwamp;Q=amp;is=REGamp;A=details http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=892451gclid=CK61gaTIzcICFeVj7Aod_SYARwQ=is=REGA=details I believe you'd just capture the footage with the blackmagic software that comes with the device. best of luck, Warren On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Gene Youngblood ato...@comcast.net wrote: I'm using a Thunderbolt to HDMI mini display port adapter to import the output of my Direct TV HD receiver into Final Cut. The adapter is plugged into the computer and the HDMI from the satellite is plugged into the adapter. Pretty straightforward, but it doesn’t work. Final Cut doesn’t recognize any input. I know HDMI is coming out of the satellite receiver because a splitter sends the same signal to my TV. The splitter removes copy protection, so that can’t be the problem. In contrast, I also use a Firewire to Thunderbolt adapter (not HDMI) to import DVcam tapes into Final Cut, and that works fine. I notice that the Firewire/Thunderbolt adapter is NOT called a “mini display port.” It has no name. What does that suggest, and why am I having this problem? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks *www.decodawson.com http://www.decodawson.com www.thelastsurrealist.com http://www.thelastsurrealist.com * ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] HDMI to Thunderbolt
It seems this is just an output device. It won't work for Gene... Where a capture and playback device, such as the UltraStudio 3D or the Intensity Extreme, captures video from a camera, transfers it to a computer, and additionally lets you output the video to a display other than that of your computer's, UltraStudio Mini Monitor only performs the last of these functions, also referred to as playback. On Wed, December 17, 2014 6:32 pm, Warren Cockerham wrote: Hi Gene, This one should work for you: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=892451gclid=CK61g aTIzcICFeVj7Aod_SYARwQ=is=REGA=details I believe you'd just capture the footage with the blackmagic software that comes with the device. best of luck, Warren On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Gene Youngblood ato...@comcast.net wrote: I'm using a Thunderbolt to HDMI mini display port adapter to import the output of my Direct TV HD receiver into Final Cut. The adapter is plugged into the computer and the HDMI from the satellite is plugged into the adapter. Pretty straightforward, but it doesnât work. Final Cut doesnât recognize any input. I know HDMI is coming out of the satellite receiver because a splitter sends the same signal to my TV. The splitter removes copy protection, so that canât be the problem. In contrast, I also use a Firewire to Thunderbolt adapter (not HDMI) to import DVcam tapes into Final Cut, and that works fine. I notice that the Firewire/Thunderbolt adapter is NOT called a âmini display port.â It has no name. What does that suggest, and why am I having this problem? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] HDMI to Thunderbolt
Right.. I think Deco remedied this with the correct link: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/892453-REG/Blackmagic_Design_bdlkulsdzminrec_Ultrastudio_Mini_Recorder.html On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marcos Ortega mar...@expcinema.com wrote: It seems this is just an output device. It won't work for Gene... Where a capture and playback device, such as the UltraStudio 3D or the Intensity Extreme, captures video from a camera, transfers it to a computer, and additionally lets you output the video to a display other than that of your computer's, UltraStudio Mini Monitor only performs the last of these functions, also referred to as playback. On Wed, December 17, 2014 6:32 pm, Warren Cockerham wrote: Hi Gene, This one should work for you: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=892451gclid=CK61g aTIzcICFeVj7Aod_SYARwQ=is=REGA=details I believe you'd just capture the footage with the blackmagic software that comes with the device. best of luck, Warren On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Gene Youngblood ato...@comcast.net wrote: I'm using a Thunderbolt to HDMI mini display port adapter to import the output of my Direct TV HD receiver into Final Cut. The adapter is plugged into the computer and the HDMI from the satellite is plugged into the adapter. Pretty straightforward, but it doesn’t work. Final Cut doesn’t recognize any input. I know HDMI is coming out of the satellite receiver because a splitter sends the same signal to my TV. The splitter removes copy protection, so that can’t be the problem. In contrast, I also use a Firewire to Thunderbolt adapter (not HDMI) to import DVcam tapes into Final Cut, and that works fine. I notice that the Firewire/Thunderbolt adapter is NOT called a “mini display port.†It has no name. What does that suggest, and why am I having this problem? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Fwd: Your membership in the mailing list FrameWorks has been disabled
I've gotten this message a number of times to my yahoo.com address, and I've started to ignore it. I have not yet been removed from the list at that address. -JH Jason Halprin jihalp...@gmail.com On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Eric Theise ericthe...@gmail.com wrote: Application of anti-spam measures that don't comply with Internet protocols are causing problems for mailman, the software that runs this list. Pip, maybe you can contact tech support at webfaction and ask them if they can set the from_is_list option discussed in this thread https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2014-April/076675.html or this how-to http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=17891458 Eric On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Marcin Gizycki mgizy...@hotmail.com wrote: Yeah, I agree, this is annoying and something has to be done about it. I do not want to be forced to re-activate myself every few months. Marcin *From:* Michael D michael...@hotmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:02 PM *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] Fwd: Your membership in the mailing list FrameWorks has been disabled I get this sporadically too. I re-activated myself just the other day. -- From: televis...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:24:00 -0800 To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] Fwd: Your membership in the mailing list FrameWorks has been disabled This needs to be figured out. Tim Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: *From:* frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com *Date:* December 15, 2014 at 2:34:54 PM PST *To:* televis...@hotmail.com *Subject:* *confirm 6fe28d23516caf202df262848c16941d80a8b87e* Your membership in the mailing list FrameWorks has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 15-Dec-2014. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/confirm/frameworks/6fe28d23516caf202df262848c16941d80a8b87e You can also visit your membership page at https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/options/frameworks/televisual%40hotmail.com On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such as your email address and whether you get digests or not. As a reminder, your membership password is Xx If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner at frameworks-ow...@jonasmekasfilms.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Fwd: Your membership in the mailing list FrameWorks has been disabled
Wait, disregard my last note. I have not received any frameworks messages since the last time I received the your membership in the mailing list.. message. Apparently my address has been removed this time. -JH Jason Halprin jihalp...@gmail.com On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Jason Halprin jihalp...@gmail.com wrote: I've gotten this message a number of times to my yahoo.com address, and I've started to ignore it. I have not yet been removed from the list at that address. -JH Jason Halprin jihalp...@gmail.com On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Eric Theise ericthe...@gmail.com wrote: Application of anti-spam measures that don't comply with Internet protocols are causing problems for mailman, the software that runs this list. Pip, maybe you can contact tech support at webfaction and ask them if they can set the from_is_list option discussed in this thread https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2014-April/076675.html or this how-to http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=17891458 Eric On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Marcin Gizycki mgizy...@hotmail.com wrote: Yeah, I agree, this is annoying and something has to be done about it. I do not want to be forced to re-activate myself every few months. Marcin *From:* Michael D michael...@hotmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:02 PM *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] Fwd: Your membership in the mailing list FrameWorks has been disabled I get this sporadically too. I re-activated myself just the other day. -- From: televis...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:24:00 -0800 To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] Fwd: Your membership in the mailing list FrameWorks has been disabled This needs to be figured out. Tim Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: *From:* frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com *Date:* December 15, 2014 at 2:34:54 PM PST *To:* televis...@hotmail.com *Subject:* *confirm 6fe28d23516caf202df262848c16941d80a8b87e* Your membership in the mailing list FrameWorks has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 15-Dec-2014. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/confirm/frameworks/6fe28d23516caf202df262848c16941d80a8b87e You can also visit your membership page at https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/options/frameworks/televisual%40hotmail.com On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such as your email address and whether you get digests or not. As a reminder, your membership password is Xx If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner at frameworks-ow...@jonasmekasfilms.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Screening possibilities in Rochester NY
Hello frameworkers! I'm going to be in Rochester NY in early February to take some training at George Eastman House and I was thinking I might try to screen some of my experimental films while I am in town. Does anyone on this forum know of any media centers or art galleries that might be interested in programming my films while I'm in town? Thanks folks! Roger Roger D. WilsonFilm Scientist613 324 - 7504rogerdwil...@sympatico.ca http://www.rogerdwilson.ca http://www.windowscollective.ca/https://www.facebook.com/people/Roger-D-Wilson/1289926661https://twitter.com/rdwbleachedfilm Without failure you can never achieve success. I have based my process and my career as an experimental film artist on this statement; and I welcome it as it pushes me forward as an artist to try something different, something new. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Screening possibilities in Rochester NY
Hi Roger - I am the Visiting Artist at Visual Studies Workshop in Rochester, just down the street from the Eastman House. We would love to host you and your films while you are here! We can discuss the details off-list. This offer goes for anyone coming through Rochester who would like to have a screening. Our space is informal (an old auditorium with folding chairs) but our screenings of experimental work have been well-attended by an enthusiastic audience. We can screen 16mm, Super 8 or DV. Projection is done at audience-level, no booth, and we have experienced projectionists and well-maintained equipment. Rochester is a great town for filmmakers! Please contact me if you are interested in showing your work here. Tara Merenda Nelson taranelsonfilms.com On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Roger D. Wilson rogerdwil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hello frameworkers! I'm going to be in Rochester NY in early February to take some training at George Eastman House and I was thinking I might try to screen some of my experimental films while I am in town. Does anyone on this forum know of any media centers or art galleries that might be interested in programming my films while I'm in town? Thanks folks! Roger Roger D. Wilson Film Scientist 613 324 - 7504 rogerdwil...@sympatico.ca http://www.rogerdwilson.ca http://www.windowscollective.ca/ https://www.facebook.com/people/Roger-D-Wilson/1289926661 https://twitter.com/rdwbleachedfilm Without failure you can never achieve success. I have based my process and my career as an experimental film artist on this statement; and I welcome it as it pushes me forward as an artist to try something different, something new. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Printing color negative film to Orwo PF2
Hi, my name is Edwin, from Jakarta, Indonesia. recently i have been trying to print 16mm color negative film to black and white 16mm stocks. I tried Agfa ST8, and Orwo PF2. I did some test, with ST8, i put cyan filter kodak cc10c, and ND5. The results was good. Then i applied to PF2, the same negative, same filters. The result for PF2 print was totally clear. Nothing exposed. Is there any way to print color negative film on Orwo PF2 stocks? Thank you very much. best, Edwin. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
