Re: [Frameworks] Cleaning house
Send me a listing also domi...@cinemod.net Thanks On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Nate Cummings ncummingslamb...@gmail.com wrote: Please Let me know what you have too! I have friends in family in NYC that Can pick Up! And if you can Wait ill be back in Town in October. Thank you, Nathaniel On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Bill Seery b...@mercermedia.com wrote: I'm lightening my load and selling a lot of film and video gear. Mag dubbers, split reels, film cores, Rank Brimar CRTs, projectors, parts, film mag stock, VTRs, mixing consoles, manuals, etc. Email me if you would like to receive a list before it goes on ebay or craigslist. Large items are located in the NYC area and are available for local pick-up only. Best Bill Seery b...@mercermedia.com 212.627.8070 ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?
Thanks to all for the excellent suggestions and information. It is in fact Sleep that we'll be showing in Austin, TX in October; I'm not hopeful that I'll be able to find two functioning 16fps projectors locally, but as someone told me this morning privately, most 16fps projectors just had rheostat controls that were not particularly accurate, and in fact many 18fps projectors probably don't run at that exact speed anyway. (MOMA also noted that we could show it at 18fps.) Anecdotally, we recently had a successful two-projector screening of The Chelsea Girls in Austin. Prior to the screening, I got an email from someone encouraging me to instead use four projectors, as it would cut the screening time in half. Always good to get these things over with quickly, I say! best, Scott At 09:31 PM 8/3/2015, Steve Polta wrote: In 2001 San Francisco Cinematheque projected Andy Warhol's Sleep, which is six hours (360 minutes) at 16fps. We started the show at midnight, expected it to end at 6am. We ran it at 18fps and the show got out at 5:30am (and in fact I just did the math and I think the difference over that time is closer to 45 minutes somehow). So that's a good cumulative difference but probably minimal (to quote David Sherman quoting David Gerstein) difference moment-to-moment in viewing. 18 (or 16)fps vs 24 fps is obviously a very big difference and there is always the (possibly apocryphal) story of Stan Brakhage viewing Sleep at 24fps and declaring it a farse, then at 16fps and declaring it a masterpiece. Not that Brakhage's word is unquestionable but this would make a huge difference in many of these films. As I'm sure most of us know... Steve Polta On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Scott Dorsey klu...@panix.com wrote: The BH filmosound in a box projectors (the 300 series) have universal motors with mechanical governors, which can be adjusted for a variety of speeds. If set according to the manual the silent speed is 16 fps, but if no maintenance has been done it could be anything. They are truly among the best projectors made, aside from the narrow barrel which severely limits your lens selection. That said, I doubt the difference between 16 and 18 fps would be that dramatic on screen. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] CINE-SUMMER 2015 // FALL // CALL (FOR ALL)
Good early evening Frameworkers, I do hope this message finds everyone well and preserved in a climate controlled environment of their liking ; ) I wanted to share some of the special summer events of MONO NO AWARE and a few items pending for fall. AUGUST - SUMMER FUN • 29TH Reimagined Kinetoscopes at the Thomas Edison National Historical ParkMono No Aware returns to the Black Maria to shoot process and project kinetoscopes on ORWO BW 16mm film. this workshop is FREE thanks to the support of ORWO, DiJiFi and The National Park. • 30TH THE WARWICK DRIVE-IN MOVIE THEATER FIELD TRIP Venture on the road to Warwick, NY with Mono No Aware to see workshop films projected outdoors on the big screen, followed by a feature presentation of a classic Hollywood summer flick. SEPTEMBER - FALL WORKSHOPS • Super-8mm Filmmaking on B/W and COLOR Reversal film. • Intro to 16mm Filmmaking on ORWO UN-54 film. • Hand-Processing Black White Reversal Film Processing S8mm, 16mm or 35mm with D-19. • Non-Toxic Hand-Processing with Beer Coffee **NEW** Negative processing with Brooklyn Brewery Brown Ale. OCTOBER - DEADLINE 31ST DEADLINE FOR ENTRIES for MONO NO AWARE IX - http://mononoawarefilm.com/entries/Annual Exhibition of expanded cinema, performance, sculpture and installation art incorporating the moving image. Please share these opportunities with friends and colleagues in the greater NY area. Hope to see you this summer, Steve CossmanFounder / DirectorMONO NO AWARE WWW.MONONOAWAREFILM.COM * EQUIPMENT RENTALS PROGRAM - http://mononoawarefilm.com/rentals/* FILM STOCK DISTRIBUTION INITIATIVE - http://mononoawarefilm.com/film-stock/* CONNECTIVITY THROUGH CINEMA MONTHLY SCREENINGS - http://mononoawarefilm.com/special-engagements/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?
Warhol wasn't sufficiently concerned with the technical side of things to warrant a claim that he intended the films to run 16 as opposed to 18. Warhol would have been interested in the creative misuse of the apparatus, and in the footage being submitted to and deformed by norms enforced by mass-production and standardization. The screen test *raisonné* lists running times for both speeds--see the chapter on Cataloguing and Methodology for a discussion. The only reason I can think of for using 16fps would be to get some slight flicker in the image, a spectral effect that by my lights makes for an ideal presentation. But then you get into the question of number of shutter blades. I've checked with the Warhol Foundation as to what consumer projectors he used. They were very gracious, but not especially helpful. W owned numerous projectors, and would likely have used whatever was at hand--or several at once, as in the EPI. If you're still committed painstaking historical accuracy, Lary 7 projected a couple of Warhol shorts at 16 fairly recently at Judson Church. I'd get in touch with him about projectors, or with Bruce Jenkins or Claire Henry at the Warhol Film Project for more info on the films. On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Scott Stark sst...@hi-beam.net wrote: Thanks to all for the excellent suggestions and information. It is in fact *Sleep *that we'll be showing in Austin, TX in October; I'm not hopeful that I'll be able to find two functioning 16fps projectors locally, but as someone told me this morning privately, most 16fps projectors just had rheostat controls that were not particularly accurate, and in fact many 18fps projectors probably don't run at that exact speed anyway. (MOMA also noted that we could show it at 18fps.) Anecdotally, we recently had a successful two-projector screening of The Chelsea Girls in Austin. Prior to the screening, I got an email from someone encouraging me to instead use four projectors, as it would cut the screening time in half. Always good to get these things over with quickly, I say! best, Scott At 09:31 PM 8/3/2015, Steve Polta wrote: In 2001 San Francisco Cinematheque projected Andy Warhol's *Sleep*, which is six hours (360 minutes) at 16fps. We started the show at midnight, expected it to end at 6am. We ran it at 18fps and the show got out at 5:30am (and in fact I just did the math and I think the difference over that time is closer to 45 minutes somehow). So that's a good cumulative difference but probably minimal (to quote David Sherman quoting David Gerstein) difference moment-to-moment in viewing. 18 (or 16)fps vs 24 fps is obviously a very big difference and there is always the (possibly apocryphal) story of Stan Brakhage viewing *Sleep *at 24fps and declaring it a farse, then at 16fps and declaring it a masterpiece. Not that Brakhage's word is unquestionable but this would make a huge difference in many of these films. As I'm sure most of us know... Steve Polta On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Scott Dorsey klu...@panix.com wrote: The BH filmosound in a box projectors (the 300 series) have universal motors with mechanical governors, which can be adjusted for a variety of speeds. If set according to the manual the silent speed is 16 fps, but if no maintenance has been done it could be anything. They are truly among the best projectors made, aside from the narrow barrel which severely limits your lens selection. That said, I doubt the difference between 16 and 18 fps would be that dramatic on screen. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
