Re: [Frameworks] Pageant Flicker

[Madison Brookshire]

Hi all,

Just following up on the original thread for anyone interested in such
things.

The Kodak Super-40 Shutter that Pageants come equipped with, as Dominic and
Scott suggested, is a variable shutter; that is, it is two-bladed at sound
speed (24 fps) and three-bladed at "silent speed."

The clever mechanism that makes this possible uses spring tension to keep
it in the three blade position, unless the greater centrifugal force of the
shutter rotating at sound speed causes the shutter to overcome the spring
tension and move into the two-bladed position, *unless* the projector is
started in sound speed and then switched to silent, in which case the
shutter cannot return to the three bladed position.

The trick is, what is "silent speed?" The "standard" for silent speed on
16mm projectors changed during the 1960s (after the introduction of Super8
in 1965?) to 18 fps, while earlier Kodak Pageant models, such as the
AV-126-TR, ran at 16fps for silent speed.

So, later model Kodak Pageants, such as the 250s runs at 18 fps for silent
speed, while the AV-126-TR runs at 16fps for silent speed, which is why the
AV-126-TR would have a more noticeable flicker (if I recall correctly,
anything below 50 flashes of light per second is perceptible).

16 fps x 3 = 48 flashes of light per second
18 fps x 3 = 54 flashes of light per second

16fps x 2 = 32 flashes of light per second
18fps x 2 = 36 flashes of light per second

Madison
Los Angeles



On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 9:36 AM Madison Brookshire 
wrote:

> Thank you, Dominic and Scott!
>
> Scott, may I ask if there is a specific inverter you recommend? They seem
> to very greatly in terms of cost with more than few costing more than the
> projector itself.
>
> All the best,
> Madison
>
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 10:46 AM Scott Dorsey  wrote:
>
>> I think he means that when you go from sound speed to silent speed, the
>> shutter angle changes in order to reduce flicker at the lower speed, by
>> means of a little metal clip on each shutter blade that is moved in and
>> out by centrifugal force, and that on many of the Pageants that clip
>> sticks
>> and so it takes a second or so for it to move.  And during that second or
>> so there is noticeable flicker.
>>
>> If you run a 60 Hz Pageant at 50 Hz, it will behave differently because
>> the
>> motor will be running 20% slower.  It will probably take less time for the
>> clip to move.  Pageants designed for 50 Hz will run at the same speeds and
>> probably behave similarly, but I have never seen one and can't say for
>> sure.
>>
>> I would suggest if the original poster wants the exact effect that they
>> bring their own projector and run it on a a 60 Hz inverter abroad.
>> --scott
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[Frameworks] Pageant Flicker

[Madison Brookshire]

Hello all,

I have a 16mm Kodak Pageant, Model AV-126-TR. This is the variety that when
switch to silent speed while the projector is running produces a noticeable
flicker.

I have a performance called *Fountain* that is largely based on this
flicker and will be traveling to Europe with it.

I have a few questions:

1. What models of Pageants produce this effect? (I know that later year
models do not, but I do not know that cut off date or model numbers).
2. Does anyone know where such models can be begged, borrowed, or rented in
the UK, especially Scotland?
3. If I travel with my own projector, a) will I be able to plug it in? and
b) will the flicker be different when the projector is using UK current (50
Hz)?
4. Does anyone have any experience with or advice on flight cases for Kodak
Pageants?

Thank you very much,
Madison
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Re: [Frameworks] Documentaries within/with a group subject and participatory filmmaker(s)

[Madison Brookshire]

I highly recommend Rithy Panh, *S-21: The Khmer Rouge Killing Machine*,
2003 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-21:_The_Khmer_Rouge_Killing_Machine

Madison

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 5:39 PM Cinema Project 
wrote:

> Anything by Eva Marie Rodbro would probably fit, especially *Dan Mark*
> (2014) or *I Touched Her Legs (2010)*.
> Here is an interview where she talks about her process of working with
> people:
>
> http://howtoworktogether.org/wp-content/uploads/Eva_Marie_Rodbro_HTWT.pdf
>
> Heather
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Sonya Mladenova <
> sonya.mladen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Looking for documentary films shot with/within a group of people engaged
>> in an activity or some kind of project, independently or in an organized
>> environment,* in which the filmmaker is a visible and/or an active
>> participatory presence*. I'm especially interested in films from the
>> last 25-30 years. I'm investigating the relationship between the filmed
>> person(s) and the person(s) filming, whatever the configuration.
>>
>> Somes examples, but not limited in scope:
>> Starless Dreams by Mehrdad Oskouei
>> À ciel ouvert by Mariana Otero
>> La moindre des choses by Nicolas Philibert
>>
>> Many many thanks,
>>
>> Sonya
>>
>>
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Re: [Frameworks] Film Labs

[Madison Brookshire]

Fotokem here in Los Angeles is excellent and can work with tape splices.

If you are at all concerned about the quality of the splices, they also
have an excellent restoration department that can handle almost anything,
provided they have all the information in advance.

All the best,
Madison

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 8:17 AM, Mandar Gotad  wrote:

> There is lab called Ramnord research lab in india . They have facility to
> take direct print from digital images as well as convention film processing
>
> Regards
>
> On Jan 14, 2018 7:08 AM, "Dominic Angerame" 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all anyone have a recommendation for a lab that will be able to make
>> the best prints from hi con original reversal. I know I must make an
>> Internegative, however I want to try and keep the hi con as best as
>> possible.
>>
>> Also I need to know a lab that can make a color neg from b/color
>> original with MANY TAPE SPLICES.
>>
>> Thanks for any help. It has been a few years since I had to work with
>> labs.
>>
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Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Madison Brookshire]

In addition to those that have already been listed, three of my favorites
are:

Charles Burnett,* When It Rains, *(1995)
Cauleen Smith, *The Way Out is the Way Two: 14 Short Films About Chicago
and Sun Ra* (2010), a feature-length constellation of experimental
psychogeographic films on Sun Ra, improvisation, and creative music.
Ja'Tovia M Gary, *AN ECSTATIC EXPRIENCE* (2015)
Barbara McCullough, *Horace Tapscott: Musical Griot *(2016)

All the best,
Madison


On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Esperanza Collado <
esperanzacolla...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Albert,
>
> Also, have a look at the work of the Buharov Brothers. There is a lot of
> jazz improvisation there.
> I believe Re:Voir is releasing soon a DVD of their films and Max Le Cain
> wrote a piece about their work.
>
> Ciao!
>
> 2017-11-13 13:20 GMT+01:00 John McAndrew :
>
>> Has anyone mentioned Paula Gladstone's 1980 film 'The Dancing Soul Of The
>> Walking People' yet? I seem to recall Duke Ellington, Alice Coltrane,
>> Anthony Braxton, The Art Ensemble of Chicago and some others featuring on
>> the soundtrack.
>>
>> Incidentally, I would LOVE to see this film be released on Blu-Ray - I
>> saw it twice in its restored glory at the Bradford International Film
>> Festival in 2013 and it easily stands as one of the most beautiful films
>> I've ever experienced... one for RE:VOIR to release perhaps?
>>
>> John
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