Re: [Frameworks] question about fees for permission to use material
Just for grins and to amplify David's point, it's time to remember Paper Tiger TV's delicious Herb Schiller Reads the New York Times from 1981. https://vimeo.com/82558179 David Tetzlaff wrote: The soundtrack to James Benning's film Deseret consists entirely of some one reading NY Times articles aloud. I'm willing to bet he did not pay for the rights nor has been bothered by the NY Times about it. I repeat my point that it is not the rights holder the experimental filmmaker needs to be concerned about but programmers and other gatekeepers who are afraid of the rights holders (however misplaced that fear may be.) No programmer in this field is going to say 'boo' to James Benning. For less well-known makers, especially people starting out, it's likely to be a different story. ch...@signaltoground.com wrote: I think its harder to apply fair use when you've already asked them what's fair to them. Er, no. It's a principle of law, not a matter for rights holders to decide themselves. Also when you know the other creator, the concept of fair use gets trickier, doesn't it? If someone you know demands a cash payment for something out of which you're unlikely to get even a penny in return, you need a better set of friends. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] question about fees for permission to use material
To expand on Francisco's idea, you could also ring up the original author and record an interview about his essay. Paraphrasing, perhaps even 'quoting' his original writing, would be acceptable. Look up cases that are about how Fair Use protects references to copyright material. You would have original interview footage so you should be fine. I'm not sure what your piece is about, but you could also channel your inner Craig Baldwin and quote the exchanges you had with the Times. As a final protection strategy, when releasing your film--if you clearly 'give it away for free' there are many cases (even musicians) who have not been sued as of yet. I also have to say that it's interesting that the NYTimes would be tracking a handmade film. Good luck. Keep us posted. carli...@aol.com wrote: Unless it's super-vital, write your own narration as a replacement. Fair Use would only kick in if you were citing the article in a criticism, review or parody. Is the author absolutely sure that the NYT owns the copyright? Oftentimes the rights revert back to the outside author upon publication. $800 btw sounds like what would be charged for non-commercial use. It's quite reasonable, considering, but of course, it's not really possible. -Original Message- From: Francisco Torres fjtorre...@gmail.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Thu, Feb 20, 2014 1:05 pm Subject: Re: [Frameworks] question about fees for permission to use material If you modify it ''substantially'' it becomes a different text. Think William Burroughs... On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Caryn Cline carynycl...@gmail.com mailto:carynycl...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Frameworkers, I’m writing to ask your advice. I’m working on a short handmade, experimental film that takes as its “script” a slightly modified version of an essay I found in the /New York Times/, which I plan to use as a voiceover narration on the soundtrack. I wrote to the author to ask his permission to use it, which he gladly gave with this caveat: everything he writes for the paper is owned by them. He gave me the name of someone to contact at the paper, who sent me to the paper’s licensing people. I decided to follow that lead, to see where it went. [I have not had good luck with trying to get permission for a reasonable fee before, but I decided to try, as an experience.] Well, needless to say the people who license for the /Times/ want me to pay them what I regard as way too much money for the use of the essay--$800 for rights for festivals, galleries, streaming, broadcast, etc.—for the life of the title. As you know, it is difficult to communicate to people in these positions that there is absolutely no commercial value in the film.The money is about 1/3 of my overall budget. Some of my handmade film buddies advised me to forget about the permission and just use it anyway, but I feel funny about doing that now, and as one friend who works in the business cautioned: my project and I are on their radar now. Should I try to talk them down? (They originally asked for $1300, so this is a considerable reduction from outrageously expensive to merely quite expensive.) Should I claim “fair use,” and use the text anyway? What are the chances that they would come after me?I’d appreciate any advice or hearing about your own experiences with this. Many thanks. CC -- Caryn Cline co-producer, /Acts of Witness/ www.actsofwitness.com http://www.actsofwitness.com/ vimeo.com/carynyc http://vimeo.com/carynyc ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] women and crime
'White Trash Girl' by Jennifer Reeder may be intriguing to include on your list. Badass women for sure. Ted Barbara GMX wrote: Thank you for the suggestions.. With groups of women I mean in crime. Let´s say a police office where the boss and half of the crew are women - or a group of female thieves working together. I am interested in alternatives to the standard and classic structures of women as victims (even if they are the ones committing the murder,…) or of male/female relationships,.. And are there any suggestions for female detectives?! And always female directors! November by Hito Steyerl is a great reference! Thank you!! Barbara On 23 Jan 2014, at 17:27, franco base frenk.ca...@gmail.com mailto:frenk.ca...@gmail.com wrote: Cat woman by Brian mills. Il 24/gen/2014 00:03 Peter Mudie peter.mu...@uwa.edu.au mailto:peter.mu...@uwa.edu.au ha scritto: Yes, it's like asking someone to help you find canned beans at Safeway. Peter (Perth) There's actually quite a bit in the mainstream: for groups: start with the TV series Orphan Black (first season on Blu-ray and DVD now, second season starts this spring); also earlier, Doll House also pretty good: Continuum (sci-fi) on streaming Netflix Of course, Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, etc. Academic feminists have written a lot about this trend: Chris Holmlund, the deadly dolls chapter of Impossible Bodies Linda Mizejewski, Hardboiled and High Heeled Martha McCaughey and Neal King, eds, Reel Knockouts Hilary Neroni The Violent Woman and there's the whole rape/revenge cycle…. that's just scratching the surface…good hunting Chuck Kleinhans On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Barbara GMX wrote: Hello everyone, I´ve been following your discussions and conversations for some time and I´m amazed! Thanks for all the great input! Now I´ve got a question: Do you have any good suggestions for crime films/documentaries, also videos, short and experimental film, where either the detective or the thief/gangster/con artist is a woman. Especially interesting would be groups of women. Thank you! Barbara ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] CUFF help offer and 'Skindo' inquiry
Hey Bryan, Happy New Times! I wanted to send you a reminder that if you still want some help organizing student groups, interns, meet ups, open mics for the upcoming CUFF--please let me and Elizabeth know. I'm sure you see the usual suspects (Lori, Jennifer, Jon Cates, etc.), but I just wanted to keep our hats in the ring and build interest from our small Experimental Film Society at Columbia. Also, you may have seen Tanner Masseth's entry 'Skindo' come across your submission desk. I think he may have sent you a rough cut, but I oversaw its production. It has potential and takes some erotic risks that are rarely combined with higher production values. No matter whether it's included or not, I'd like to get your feedback on it at some point. It reminds me of that porno shot on infra-red that hit the NY Underground in the 90s. Hope you're staying warm! See you at one of Christy's events or for a whiskey at Longman and Eagle. Best, Ted Bryan Wendorf wrote: Hello Frameworkers, This is just a reminder that the regular submission deadline (postmark) for the next edition of the Chicago Underground Film Festival is this Friday November 15. Complete details can be found here http://cuff.org/entry-form/ Bryan Wendorf Programmer and Artistic Director Chicago Underground Film Festival http://www.cuff.org ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] CUFF help offer
Sorry Frameworkers--meant to send a personal e-mail. It is -2 in Chicago, brain freeze. Ted Ted Hardin wrote: Hey Bryan, Happy New Times! I wanted to send you a reminder that if you still want some help organizing student groups, interns, meet ups, open mics for the upcoming CUFF--please let me and Elizabeth know. I'm sure you see the usual suspects, but I just wanted to keep our hats in the ring and build interest from our small Experimental Film Society at Columbia College. Bryan Wendorf wrote: Hello Frameworkers, This is just a reminder that the regular submission deadline (postmark) for the next edition of the Chicago Underground Film Festival is this Friday November 15. Complete details can be found here http://cuff.org/entry-form/ Bryan Wendorf Programmer and Artistic Director Chicago Underground Film Festival http://www.cuff.org ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Middle Eastern film + video
Hello Ghen, For work from Iran, contact Ehsan Ghoreshi (choo...@gmail.com) out of Chicago. All the best, Ted Hardin ghen zando-dennis wrote: Seeking contact information / links to experimental / narrative documentary work made by Middle Eastern artists. And to the artists themselves, too. I am co-curating a program of work at the end of the year. Ideas? Thank you. Ghen Dennis ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
