Re: [Frameworks] Fwd: Anémic Cinéma print(s) with inserted October (?) footage
Hi Matej, You might have some luck contacting either Dalia Judowvitz or David Joselit who have done a lot of research on the film. I don't think they address this specific version in writings, but they may have come across literature that does. Eli On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Matěj Strnad matej.str...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Frameworkers, I dare to seek your advice or comments on a rather curious version of Marcel Duchamp's Anémic Cinéma. This version is said to contain footage supposedly coming from Eisenstein's October and could be tracked down to Denmark (although it might not have originated there). Bruce Posner, who curated the Unseen Cinema project which has used this very version of Anémic Cinéma from the Danske Filminstitut for a DVD release (but with the October footage edited out in the end), was kind enough to point me in the direction of Tuby Mussman's writings on the film. The thing is that I'm trying to find any mention of this version (e.g. describing other imagery then the rotating disks), but haven't been successful with Mussman so far. What I know about is Bozena Jablonska's description including the October footage in Alicja Helman (ed.), Z dziejow awangardy filmowej, Katowice 1976. I'm not hoping for any detailed history of why and how this version came about, but at least by knowing about literature mentioning it could help me in establishing it's prevalence. Please excuse my potential overlooking of some otherwise well known sources, certain writings are hard to track down here from Prague, but nonetheless I believe I went through most of the relevant Duchampian/avantgarde film literature I am aware of. Neither was I was able to find any mention of this in any of the journals related to film archiving etc. Also my apologies go to those following both AMIA-L and Frameworks list, sorry for cross-posting. With many thanks for any tips or leads on this, Matej Strnad *CAS/FAMU * *Center for Audiovisual Studies,* *Film and Television Faculty of the Academy of Performing Arts* *Prague, CZ* ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Fwd: Anémic Cinéma print(s) with inserted October (?) footage
dear matej, the german book by hans scheugl and ernst schmidt jr: eine subgeschichte des films. lexikon des avantgarde-, experimental undergroundfilms (frankfurt/main, suhrkamp: 1974) mentions that some prints of anemic cinema contain im mittelteil fotos einer frau, nacheinander von verschiedenen seiten aus gesehen, sowie von zerbrochenen vasen und figuren (roughly in the middle section photographs of a woman, seen from different sides, as well as broken vases and figures), and that die im mittelteil gezeigten fotos nehmen auch probleme der dreidimensionalität (gesicht der frau von mehreren seiten) und der zeit auf ([those photographs] also adress problems of three-dimensionality (the womans face seen from numerous sides) and time.) pp. 231f. no information about the source of those images though, might well be from october? best wishes, k. -- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:23:56 +0100 From: Matěj Strnad matej.str...@gmail.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] Fwd: Anémic Cinéma print(s) with inserted October (?) footage Message-ID: CAAYnVwiwe_wv6Xm_Nw7HtBeqbi-4BD0M3KRz3mA0L7oyPr=9...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear Frameworkers, I dare to seek your advice or comments on a rather curious version of Marcel Duchamp's Anémic Cinéma. This version is said to contain footage supposedly coming from Eisenstein's October and could be tracked down to Denmark (although it might not have originated there). Bruce Posner, who curated the Unseen Cinema project which has used this very version of Anémic Cinéma from the Danske Filminstitut for a DVD release (but with the October footage edited out in the end), was kind enough to point me in the direction of Tuby Mussman's writings on the film. The thing is that I'm trying to find any mention of this version (e.g. describing other imagery then the rotating disks), but haven't been successful with Mussman so far. What I know about is Bozena Jablonska's description including the October footage in Alicja Helman (ed.), Z dziejow awangardy filmowej, Katowice 1976. I'm not hoping for any detailed history of why and how this version came about, but at least by knowing about literature mentioning it could help me in establishing it's prevalence. Please excuse my potential overlooking of some otherwise well known sources, certain writings are hard to track down here from Prague, but nonetheless I believe I went through most of the relevant Duchampian/avantgarde film literature I am aware of. Neither was I was able to find any mention of this in any of the journals related to film archiving etc. Also my apologies go to those following both AMIA-L and Frameworks list, sorry for cross-posting. With many thanks for any tips or leads on this, Matej Strnad *CAS/FAMU * *Center for Audiovisual Studies,* *Film and Television Faculty of the Academy of Performing Arts* *Prague, CZ* -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/pipermail/frameworks/attachments/20131128/729f8ff4/attachment-0001.html -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- End of FrameWorks Digest, Vol 42, Issue 28 ** ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Fwd: Anémic Cinéma print(s) with inserted October (?) footage
Dear Frameworkers, I dare to seek your advice or comments on a rather curious version of Marcel Duchamp's Anémic Cinéma. This version is said to contain footage supposedly coming from Eisenstein's October and could be tracked down to Denmark (although it might not have originated there). Bruce Posner, who curated the Unseen Cinema project which has used this very version of Anémic Cinéma from the Danske Filminstitut for a DVD release (but with the October footage edited out in the end), was kind enough to point me in the direction of Tuby Mussman's writings on the film. The thing is that I'm trying to find any mention of this version (e.g. describing other imagery then the rotating disks), but haven't been successful with Mussman so far. What I know about is Bozena Jablonska's description including the October footage in Alicja Helman (ed.), Z dziejow awangardy filmowej, Katowice 1976. I'm not hoping for any detailed history of why and how this version came about, but at least by knowing about literature mentioning it could help me in establishing it's prevalence. Please excuse my potential overlooking of some otherwise well known sources, certain writings are hard to track down here from Prague, but nonetheless I believe I went through most of the relevant Duchampian/avantgarde film literature I am aware of. Neither was I was able to find any mention of this in any of the journals related to film archiving etc. Also my apologies go to those following both AMIA-L and Frameworks list, sorry for cross-posting. With many thanks for any tips or leads on this, Matej Strnad *CAS/FAMU * *Center for Audiovisual Studies,* *Film and Television Faculty of the Academy of Performing Arts* *Prague, CZ* ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
