Re: [Frameworks] Rear Screen Projection Rotoscoping 16mm

2013-01-17 Thread John Woods


 I just posted a short video of my op printer/roto set up. Hope it helps... 
 https://vimeo.com/57535369

Impressive setup Ken! Looks pretty functional and easy to use. And I think the 
best thing is that it looks like all the major components could be found with a 
bit of hunting on eBay and Craigslist. Inspiring stuff!
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Re: [Frameworks] Rear Screen Projection Rotoscoping 16mm

2013-01-17 Thread kenneth curwood
Thanks John!

Ha good eye there... entirely constructed from gear acquired on ebay and
craigslist.

bests,

-Kenny



On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:16 PM, John Woods jawood...@yahoo.ca wrote:


  I just posted a short video of my op printer/roto set up. Hope it
 helps... https://vimeo.com/57535369

 Impressive setup Ken! Looks pretty functional and easy to use. And I think
 the best thing is that it looks like all the major components could be
 found with a bit of hunting on eBay and Craigslist. Inspiring stuff!

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Re: [Frameworks] Rear Screen Projection Rotoscoping 16mm

2013-01-16 Thread kenneth curwood
Hi Ben and friends,

I just posted a short video of my op printer/roto set up. Hope it helps...
https://vimeo.com/57535369

Re: glass I have used frosted glass in the past but I have found that just
a sheet of clear glass with a piece of vellum taped to it works best.
Feel free to email with any questions.

Good Luck!

-Kenny

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:20 PM, John Woods jawood...@yahoo.ca wrote:

 There are articles in Cinemagic magazine about how to build your own
 optical printer and rotoscoping. Scans of this magazine are freely
 available online.

 I have not done it myself, but you can make your own contact prints on a
 Steenbeck, which would be easier to find than an actual contact printer.

 You might be able to find more information on rotoscoping in some vintage
 filmmaking books, maybe Lenny Lipton's book would have a section on that?


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 *From:* ben.weinst...@mindspring.com ben.weinst...@mindspring.com
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 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2013 4:36:43 PM

 *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] Rear Screen Projection Rotoscoping 16mm

 Dam the 21st century hella sux.  Any idea of what kind of glass I would
 need to make my own?


 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Dorsey klu...@panix.com
 Sent: Jan 15, 2013 11:52 AM
 To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Rear Screen Projection Rotoscoping 16mm
 
   I know labs have them but I want to do it all myself.
 
 Labs really don't have stuff like that any more.  Back in the 1960s, all
 the labs did, but today digital intermediates have replaced everything
 that folks did with opticals in ages past.
 
 What you need is a time machine to go back to about 1978 where you can
 give W.A.Palmer Films a call.
 
 You will find a few people with old optical printers here and there, but
 rear projection and rotoscope systems are going to be something you will
 have to homebrew today.
 --scott
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Re: [Frameworks] Rear Screen Projection Rotoscoping 16mm

2013-01-15 Thread ben . weinstein
Dam the 21st century hella sux.  Any idea of what kind of glass I would need to 
make my own?


-Original Message-
From: Scott Dorsey klu...@panix.com
Sent: Jan 15, 2013 11:52 AM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Rear Screen Projection Rotoscoping 16mm

  I know labs have them but I want to do it all myself.  

Labs really don't have stuff like that any more.  Back in the 1960s, all
the labs did, but today digital intermediates have replaced everything 
that folks did with opticals in ages past.

What you need is a time machine to go back to about 1978 where you can
give W.A.Palmer Films a call.

You will find a few people with old optical printers here and there, but 
rear projection and rotoscope systems are going to be something you will
have to homebrew today.
--scott
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Re: [Frameworks] Rear Screen Projection Rotoscoping 16mm

2013-01-15 Thread John Woods
There are articles in Cinemagic magazine about how to build your own optical 
printer and rotoscoping. Scans of this magazine are freely available online.

I have not done it myself, but you can make your own contact prints on a 
Steenbeck, which would be easier to find than an actual contact printer.

You might be able to find more information on rotoscoping in some vintage 
filmmaking books, maybe Lenny Lipton's book would have a section on that?





 From: ben.weinst...@mindspring.com ben.weinst...@mindspring.com
To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 4:36:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Rear Screen Projection Rotoscoping 16mm
 
Dam the 21st century hella sux.  Any idea of what kind of glass I would need to 
make my own?


-Original Message-
From: Scott Dorsey klu...@panix.com
Sent: Jan 15, 2013 11:52 AM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Rear Screen Projection Rotoscoping 16mm

  I know labs have them but I want to do it all myself.  

Labs really don't have stuff like that any more.  Back in the 1960s, all
the labs did, but today digital intermediates have replaced everything 
that folks did with opticals in ages past.

What you need is a time machine to go back to about 1978 where you can
give W.A.Palmer Films a call.

You will find a few people with old optical printers here and there, but 
rear projection and rotoscope systems are going to be something you will
have to homebrew today.
--scott
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Re: [Frameworks] Rear Screen Projection Rotoscoping 16mm

2013-01-14 Thread John Woods
I would be surprised if anyone has much more than a hobby business offering 
such services. You'll either have to DIY or use a digital intermediate. If 
you're doing it yourself you'd also need to look into whether the filmstock 
needed for matte work is still available.

Cineworks in Vancouver, and Northwest Film Forum in Seattle have optical 
printers. There are still labs offering contact prints. Cineworks was given a 
contact printer from Technicolor when they collapsed, but you'd have to learn 
how to use it on your own and lab services would be out of town or DIY.





 From: ben.weinst...@mindspring.com ben.weinst...@mindspring.com
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Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 1:26:03 PM
Subject: [Frameworks] Rear Screen Projection Rotoscoping 16mm
 
Hey, does anyone on the west coast have a rotoscoping set up with rear 
projection?  If not does anyone know what kind of glass I should get to make my 
own setup?  Also does anyone have access to a contact printer out there and if 
not do labs offer the service of making traveling mattes?  One more thing.  Is 
there anyone on the west with access to a double filmgate optical printer like 
a JK or Oxberry or somethin?  Sorry bought all the questions but Im gonna need 
all these things soon to do some special FX and im worried everyones sellin 
theres off to stupid museums and what not.  Any info helps.  Thanks yall
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[Frameworks] Rear Screen Projection Rotoscoping 16mm

2013-01-12 Thread ben . weinstein
Hey, does anyone on the west coast have a rotoscoping set up with rear 
projection?  If not does anyone know what kind of glass I should get to make my 
own setup?  Also does anyone have access to a contact printer out there and if 
not do labs offer the service of making traveling mattes?  One more thing.  Is 
there anyone on the west with access to a double filmgate optical printer like 
a JK or Oxberry or somethin?  Sorry bought all the questions but Im gonna need 
all these things soon to do some special FX and im worried everyones sellin 
theres off to stupid museums and what not.  Any info helps.  Thanks yall
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