Re: [Frameworks] copyright question

[Myron Ort]

I quoted them $50/second but so far have not heard back from them.  Not sure 
what form of a file they would want.



> On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Dennis Doros  wrote:
> 
> I contacted Myron directly, but just fyi, TvN 
>  is a large 
> television network out of Seoul. I had the same request and they paid that 
> same day.
> 
> Fondest regards,
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> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:09 AM Dominic Angerame  > wrote:
> North Korea and Cuba are both on the US list of terrorist nations. I travel 
> to Cuba once a year and I cannot transact any financial business with Cuba 
> directly. This means air bnb, banks, film festivals and hotels. These 
> transactions are strictly forbidden by PayPal. I have had my account 
> suspended once by Paypal for attempting to raise funds to travel to Cuba. 
> These financial transactions are carefully monitored by financial 
> institutions here in the States.
> 
> Do so at your ow risk.
> 
> Dominic
> 
> > On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:02 AM, Dave Tetzlaff  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Hey Myron:
> > 
> > Did they (whoever they are) tell you which five seconds they want to 
> > license? If so, can you describe that content for us? (I’m quite curious..)
> > 
> > I shall attempt to address the copyright questions fwiw:
> > (Necessary disclaimer: while I have studied copyright issues, I am not a 
> > lawyer)
> > 
> > I don’t think there is customary fee, i.e. it all depends…
> > 
> > What constitutes sufficient authorization for _copyright_ purposes is 
> > probably up to the parties in the arrangement. I.e. if you wanted to use 5 
> > seconds of one of MY old films, I’d happily just send you permission via 
> > email. Rather than a simple text email, though, I'd create a .pdf of a 
> > letter with a signature a letter with a  pdfnd send that. The matter of 
> > “doing businees with North Korea” is an entirely different matter, and I 
> > have no clue what would be sufficient authorization for that.
> > 
> > Yes, you would have to tell them you don’t hold the rights to the music, if 
> > they don’t already know. Again, just as far as copyright is concerned, your 
> > visual track and the music track are separate works with separate rights. 
> > Whether ‘party x’ can use your images is up to you.  Whether ‘party x’ can 
> > use the music is up to whoever is the rightsholder for that. 
> > 
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Re: [Frameworks] copyright question

[Dennis Doros]

I contacted Myron directly, but just fyi, TvN
 is a large
television network out of Seoul. I had the same request and they paid that
same day.

Fondest regards,
Dennis Doros
*Milestone Film & Video • *PO Box 128 • Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: +1 (201) 767-3117 • Email: milefi...@gmail.com • www.milestone.film
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On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:09 AM Dominic Angerame <
dominic.anger...@gmail.com> wrote:

> North Korea and Cuba are both on the US list of terrorist nations. I
> travel to Cuba once a year and I cannot transact any financial business
> with Cuba directly. This means air bnb, banks, film festivals and hotels.
> These transactions are strictly forbidden by PayPal. I have had my account
> suspended once by Paypal for attempting to raise funds to travel to Cuba.
> These financial transactions are carefully monitored by financial
> institutions here in the States.
>
> Do so at your ow risk.
>
> Dominic
>
> > On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:02 AM, Dave Tetzlaff  wrote:
> >
> > Hey Myron:
> >
> > Did they (whoever they are) tell you which five seconds they want to
> license? If so, can you describe that content for us? (I’m quite curious..)
> >
> > I shall attempt to address the copyright questions fwiw:
> > (Necessary disclaimer: while I have studied copyright issues, I am not a
> lawyer)
> >
> > I don’t think there is customary fee, i.e. it all depends…
> >
> > What constitutes sufficient authorization for _copyright_ purposes is
> probably up to the parties in the arrangement. I.e. if you wanted to use 5
> seconds of one of MY old films, I’d happily just send you permission via
> email. Rather than a simple text email, though, I'd create a .pdf of a
> letter with a signature a letter with a  pdfnd send that. The matter of
> “doing businees with North Korea” is an entirely different matter, and I
> have no clue what would be sufficient authorization for that.
> >
> > Yes, you would have to tell them you don’t hold the rights to the music,
> if they don’t already know. Again, just as far as copyright is concerned,
> your visual track and the music track are separate works with separate
> rights. Whether ‘party x’ can use your images is up to you.  Whether ‘party
> x’ can use the music is up to whoever is the rightsholder for that.
> >
> >
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Re: [Frameworks] copyright question

[Dominic Angerame]

North Korea and Cuba are both on the US list of terrorist nations. I travel to 
Cuba once a year and I cannot transact any financial business with Cuba 
directly. This means air bnb, banks, film festivals and hotels. These 
transactions are strictly forbidden by PayPal. I have had my account suspended 
once by Paypal for attempting to raise funds to travel to Cuba. These financial 
transactions are carefully monitored by financial institutions here in the 
States.

Do so at your ow risk.

Dominic

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:02 AM, Dave Tetzlaff  wrote:
> 
> Hey Myron:
> 
> Did they (whoever they are) tell you which five seconds they want to license? 
> If so, can you describe that content for us? (I’m quite curious..)
> 
> I shall attempt to address the copyright questions fwiw:
> (Necessary disclaimer: while I have studied copyright issues, I am not a 
> lawyer)
> 
> I don’t think there is customary fee, i.e. it all depends…
> 
> What constitutes sufficient authorization for _copyright_ purposes is 
> probably up to the parties in the arrangement. I.e. if you wanted to use 5 
> seconds of one of MY old films, I’d happily just send you permission via 
> email. Rather than a simple text email, though, I'd create a .pdf of a letter 
> with a signature a letter with a  pdfnd send that. The matter of “doing 
> businees with North Korea” is an entirely different matter, and I have no 
> clue what would be sufficient authorization for that.
> 
> Yes, you would have to tell them you don’t hold the rights to the music, if 
> they don’t already know. Again, just as far as copyright is concerned, your 
> visual track and the music track are separate works with separate rights. 
> Whether ‘party x’ can use your images is up to you.  Whether ‘party x’ can 
> use the music is up to whoever is the rightsholder for that. 
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] copyright question

[Dave Tetzlaff]

Hey Myron:

Did they (whoever they are) tell you which five seconds they want to license? 
If so, can you describe that content for us? (I’m quite curious..)

I shall attempt to address the copyright questions fwiw:
(Necessary disclaimer: while I have studied copyright issues, I am not a lawyer)

I don’t think there is customary fee, i.e. it all depends…

What constitutes sufficient authorization for _copyright_ purposes is probably 
up to the parties in the arrangement. I.e. if you wanted to use 5 seconds of 
one of MY old films, I’d happily just send you permission via email. Rather 
than a simple text email, though, I'd create a .pdf of a letter with a 
signature a letter with a  pdfnd send that. The matter of “doing businees with 
North Korea” is an entirely different matter, and I have no clue what would be 
sufficient authorization for that.

Yes, you would have to tell them you don’t hold the rights to the music, if 
they don’t already know. Again, just as far as copyright is concerned, your 
visual track and the music track are separate works with separate rights. 
Whether ‘party x’ can use your images is up to you.  Whether ‘party x’ can use 
the music is up to whoever is the rightsholder for that. 


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Re: [Frameworks] copyright question

[Fred Camper]

This sounds /very /dubious and highly unlikely. How can you be sure "it" 
is North Korean TV? Also, there are probably sanctions laws on doing 
business with North Korea. You don't want to wind up in Gitmo, right?


If it's a scam, please let us all know. Hint: if they want you to pay 
some kind of fee first, it is a scam.


Fred Camper
Chicago

On 3/12/2020 8:48 PM, christopher nigel wrote:

I would find out. what there would like too use it for ?
before you make any kind of a agreement as could back fire on you in
this age of paranoid .

Christopher

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 7:00 PM Myron Ort  wrote:

Believe it or not I was contacted by N. Korean TV who wanted to use 5 seconds 
from one  of my films. What might be a customary fee and is my granting 
permission via email sufficient copyright authorization. I might have to tell 
them that the music is not necessarily copyright free.
Just curious about this. I don’t really mind letting them use it for free but 
then again it is N. Korea.


Myron Ort
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Re: [Frameworks] copyright question

[christopher nigel]

I would find out. what there would like too use it for ?
before you make any kind of a agreement as could back fire on you in
this age of paranoid .

Christopher

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 7:00 PM Myron Ort  wrote:
>
> Believe it or not I was contacted by N. Korean TV who wanted to use 5 seconds 
> from one  of my films. What might be a customary fee and is my granting 
> permission via email sufficient copyright authorization. I might have to tell 
> them that the music is not necessarily copyright free.
> Just curious about this. I don’t really mind letting them use it for free but 
> then again it is N. Korea.
>
>
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Re: [Frameworks] copyright question

[Adam Hyman]

There¹s another issue, which is whether you can legally do business with
them, which means you might not be able to receive money from them.
But heck, ask for $100/sec, 30 sec minimum, or no minimum.
And ask to see the script translated for context, to make sure it is
factual.  :-)
Of course, they could have just used it, and it would have been unlikely
that you would have ever learned that it aired. So I sorta want to give them
the benefit of the doubt for even contacting you.

From:  FrameWorks  on behalf of
Myron Ort 
Reply-To:  "Experimental Film Discussion List
" 
Date:  Thursday, March 12, 2020 at 11:00 AM
To:  "Experimental Film Discussion List "

Subject:  [Frameworks] copyright question

Believe it or not I was contacted by N. Korean TV who wanted to use 5
seconds from one  of my films. What might be a customary fee and is my
granting permission via email sufficient copyright authorization. I might
have to tell them that the music is not necessarily copyright free.
Just curious about this. I don¹t really mind letting them use it for free
but then again it is N. Korea.


Myron Ort
www.zeno-okeanos,com




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[Frameworks] copyright question

[Myron Ort]

Believe it or not I was contacted by N. Korean TV who wanted to use 5 seconds 
from one  of my films. What might be a customary fee and is my granting 
permission via email sufficient copyright authorization. I might have to tell 
them that the music is not necessarily copyright free.
Just curious about this. I don’t really mind letting them use it for free but 
then again it is N. Korea.


Myron Ort
www.zeno-okeanos,com




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