Re: [Frameworks] Tri x reversal super 8

[Shumona Goel]

Thanks for all your inputs. We did tests over the last year, whenever we
could. But shooting a documentary, and here there aren't any labs (that i
know of), so it's a little less than ideal. Bigger challenge is the monsoon
weather! Thank you again

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> http://www.cameramanuals.org/flashes_meters/sekonic_l-28c2.pdf
>
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> On Jul 24, 2019, at 3:54 PM, Jeff Kreines  wrote:
>
> Hold the meter in the same light that strikes your subject, and point the
> dome back at the camera lens. That’s how you use an incident meter. Don’t
> use the slide unless you know what it does.
>
> Use 1/50th of a second for most cameras at 24 FPS unless you have to
> compensate for the camera’s prism.
>
> Compare to the camera’s light reading.  Are they in the ballpark?
>
> If you can, shoot a test in 1/2 stop increments from 2.5 stops under to
> 2.5 stops over. That will help you figure out if your meter is accurate and
> if you are using it properly.
>
> Good luck!
>
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> On Jul 24, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Ned Kihn  wrote:
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>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 4:04 AM FrameWorks Admin 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Shumona,
>>
>> Actually the ASA depends on how you develop it. You can also push or pull
>> by choosing your own ASA setting.
>> If you develop as negative, the ASA is usually rated at 400, and as
>> reversal at 200, in daylight.
>>
>> -Pip
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:43 AM, Shumona Goel  wrote:
>>
>>  Dear Frameworks,
>>>
>>
>> I am shooting on super 8 tri x reversal black and white, stock number
>> 7266.
>>
>> Do i rate this in daylight at 200 Asa?
>>
>> If i rate it at 200 Asa, do I need to open up any further than what the
>> light meter indicates? I am using a sekonic analog meter.
>>
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Re: [Frameworks] Tri x reversal super 8

[Jeff Kreines]

Hold the meter in the same light that strikes your subject, and point the dome 
back at the camera lens. That’s how you use an incident meter. Don’t use the 
slide unless you know what it does. 

Use 1/50th of a second for most cameras at 24 FPS unless you have to compensate 
for the camera’s prism. 

Compare to the camera’s light reading.  Are they in the ballpark?

If you can, shoot a test in 1/2 stop increments from 2.5 stops under to 2.5 
stops over. That will help you figure out if your meter is accurate and if you 
are using it properly. 

Good luck!

Jeff Kreines
Kinetta
j...@kinetta.com
kinetta.com

Sent from iPhone. 

> On Jul 24, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Ned Kihn  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 4:04 AM FrameWorks Admin  
>> wrote:
>> Hi Shumona,
>> 
>> Actually the ASA depends on how you develop it. You can also push or pull by 
>> choosing your own ASA setting.
>> If you develop as negative, the ASA is usually rated at 400, and as reversal 
>> at 200, in daylight.
>> 
>> -Pip
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:43 AM, Shumona Goel  wrote:
 
  Dear Frameworks, 
>>> 
>>> I am shooting on super 8 tri x reversal black and white, stock number 7266. 
>>> 
>>> Do i rate this in daylight at 200 Asa? 
>>> 
>>> If i rate it at 200 Asa, do I need to open up any further than what the 
>>> light meter indicates? I am using a sekonic analog meter. 
>> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Tri x reversal super 8

[Ned Kihn]

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 4:04 AM FrameWorks Admin 
wrote:

> Hi Shumona,
>
> Actually the ASA depends on how you develop it. You can also push or pull
> by choosing your own ASA setting.
> If you develop as negative, the ASA is usually rated at 400, and as
> reversal at 200, in daylight.
>
> -Pip
>
>
>
> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:43 AM, Shumona Goel  wrote:
>
>  Dear Frameworks,
>>
>
> I am shooting on super 8 tri x reversal black and white, stock number
> 7266.
>
> Do i rate this in daylight at 200 Asa?
>
> If i rate it at 200 Asa, do I need to open up any further than what the
> light meter indicates? I am using a sekonic analog meter.
>
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Re: [Frameworks] Tri x reversal super 8

[Scott Dorsey]

> If I rate it at 200 ASA Daylight, and open up two stops, this should be
> correct, no?

Why opening two stops?  Do you have a prism that loses 3/4 of the light
or some other reason your f-stop on the lens doesn't reflect the real t-stop?
--scott
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Re: [Frameworks] Tri x reversal super 8

[Shumona Goel]

Thanks!

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, Els van Riel  wrote:

> Be aware that every light meter has its own personality.
> A dirty hood can make a stop difference.
> Needles need rescaling and adjusting.
>
> always good to make tests first.
>
> Els
> Brussels
>
>
>
> On 24 Jul 2019, at 14:39, Shumona Goel  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jeff.  I'm using a sekonic incidental (analog) light meter.
> If I rate it at 200 ASA Daylight, and open up two stops, this should be
> correct, no?
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 6:07 PM Jeff Kreines  wrote:
>
>> How you use a light meter can also be a significant factor — poor
>> metering technique can give readings that are several stops off. My
>> personal preference is an incident meter.
>>
>> With reversal stock always err towards slight underexposure.
>>
>> Good luck. Shoot short tests.
>>
>> Jeff Kreines
>> Kinetta
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>>
>> Sent from iPhone.
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:20 AM, Scott Dorsey  wrote:
>>
>> >> I am not getting it. Is 200 ISO the native speed of the film? Or is it
>> 160 ?
>> >
>> > It is both.  The film is less sensitive to red light than to blue light,
>> > so if you expose it in red light, the effective ASA is lower.  If you
>> > are exposing with tungsten light, you use 160 ASA, while if you are
>> exposing
>> > with daylight, you use 200 ASA.
>> >
>> >> Most Super-8 cameras have an orange filter for daylight.
>> >> But for b one would always open the filter right?
>> >
>> > Right, you disable the 85 filter.  It's a bad idea in any case.
>> > --scott
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Re: [Frameworks] Tri x reversal super 8

[Els van Riel]

Be aware that every light meter has its own personality.
A dirty hood can make a stop difference.
Needles need rescaling and adjusting.

always good to make tests first.

Els
Brussels



On 24 Jul 2019, at 14:39, Shumona Goel  wrote:

Thanks, Jeff.  I'm using a sekonic incidental (analog) light meter.  
If I rate it at 200 ASA Daylight, and open up two stops, this should be 
correct, no?


On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 6:07 PM Jeff Kreines mailto:j...@kinetta.com>> wrote:
How you use a light meter can also be a significant factor — poor metering 
technique can give readings that are several stops off. My personal preference 
is an incident meter. 

With reversal stock always err towards slight underexposure. 

Good luck. Shoot short tests. 

Jeff Kreines
Kinetta
j...@kinetta.com 
kinetta.com 

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On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:20 AM, Scott Dorsey mailto:klu...@panix.com>> wrote:

>> I am not getting it. Is 200 ISO the native speed of the film? Or is it 160 ?
> 
> It is both.  The film is less sensitive to red light than to blue light,
> so if you expose it in red light, the effective ASA is lower.  If you
> are exposing with tungsten light, you use 160 ASA, while if you are exposing
> with daylight, you use 200 ASA. 
> 
>> Most Super-8 cameras have an orange filter for daylight.
>> But for b one would always open the filter right?
> 
> Right, you disable the 85 filter.  It's a bad idea in any case.
> --scott
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Re: [Frameworks] Tri x reversal super 8

[Shumona Goel]

Thanks, Jeff.  I'm using a sekonic incidental (analog) light meter.
If I rate it at 200 ASA Daylight, and open up two stops, this should be
correct, no?


On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 6:07 PM Jeff Kreines  wrote:

> How you use a light meter can also be a significant factor — poor metering
> technique can give readings that are several stops off. My personal
> preference is an incident meter.
>
> With reversal stock always err towards slight underexposure.
>
> Good luck. Shoot short tests.
>
> Jeff Kreines
> Kinetta
> j...@kinetta.com
> kinetta.com
>
> Sent from iPhone.
>
> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:20 AM, Scott Dorsey  wrote:
>
> >> I am not getting it. Is 200 ISO the native speed of the film? Or is it
> 160 ?
> >
> > It is both.  The film is less sensitive to red light than to blue light,
> > so if you expose it in red light, the effective ASA is lower.  If you
> > are exposing with tungsten light, you use 160 ASA, while if you are
> exposing
> > with daylight, you use 200 ASA.
> >
> >> Most Super-8 cameras have an orange filter for daylight.
> >> But for b one would always open the filter right?
> >
> > Right, you disable the 85 filter.  It's a bad idea in any case.
> > --scott
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Re: [Frameworks] Tri x reversal super 8

[Shumona Goel]

Thanks for your responses.  It's 160 Tungsten and 200 D


On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 5:51 PM Scott Dorsey  wrote:

> > I am not getting it. Is 200 ISO the native speed of the film? Or is it
> 160 ?
>
> It is both.  The film is less sensitive to red light than to blue light,
> so if you expose it in red light, the effective ASA is lower.  If you
> are exposing with tungsten light, you use 160 ASA, while if you are
> exposing
> with daylight, you use 200 ASA.
>
> > Most Super-8 cameras have an orange filter for daylight.
> > But for b one would always open the filter right?
>
> Right, you disable the 85 filter.  It's a bad idea in any case.
> --scott
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Re: [Frameworks] Tri x reversal super 8

[Jeff Kreines]

How you use a light meter can also be a significant factor — poor metering 
technique can give readings that are several stops off. My personal preference 
is an incident meter. 

With reversal stock always err towards slight underexposure. 

Good luck. Shoot short tests. 

Jeff Kreines
Kinetta
j...@kinetta.com
kinetta.com

Sent from iPhone. 

On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:20 AM, Scott Dorsey  wrote:

>> I am not getting it. Is 200 ISO the native speed of the film? Or is it 160 ?
> 
> It is both.  The film is less sensitive to red light than to blue light,
> so if you expose it in red light, the effective ASA is lower.  If you
> are exposing with tungsten light, you use 160 ASA, while if you are exposing
> with daylight, you use 200 ASA. 
> 
>> Most Super-8 cameras have an orange filter for daylight.
>> But for b one would always open the filter right?
> 
> Right, you disable the 85 filter.  It's a bad idea in any case.
> --scott
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Re: [Frameworks] Tri x reversal super 8

[Scott Dorsey]

> I am not getting it. Is 200 ISO the native speed of the film? Or is it 160 ?

It is both.  The film is less sensitive to red light than to blue light,
so if you expose it in red light, the effective ASA is lower.  If you
are exposing with tungsten light, you use 160 ASA, while if you are exposing
with daylight, you use 200 ASA. 

> Most Super-8 cameras have an orange filter for daylight.
> But for b one would always open the filter right?

Right, you disable the 85 filter.  It's a bad idea in any case.
--scott

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Re: [Frameworks] Tri x reversal super 8

[Bernd Luetzeler]

Hi Pip & Shumona,

I am not getting it. Is 200 ISO the native speed of the film? Or is it 160 ?

Most Super-8 cameras have an orange filter for daylight.
But for b one would always open the filter right?
(Unless you want to use the orange filter in order to enhance the clouds…)
So then how are there different ISOs for indoors & outdoors shooting?

In Shumonas case I think the camera is a Beaulieu 4008 ZMII which has a filter 
key.
And in order to de-activate the orange filter one has to enter the key, right?

So once I slide in the filter key, my ISO should always be 200, correct?

best
Bernd



> Am 24.07.2019 um 10:04 schrieb FrameWorks Admin :
> 
> Hi Shumona,
> 
> Actually the ASA depends on how you develop it. You can also push or pull by 
> choosing your own ASA setting.
> If you develop as negative, the ASA is usually rated at 400, and as reversal 
> at 200, in daylight.
> 
> -Pip
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:43 AM, Shumona Goel > > wrote:
>> 
>>  Dear Frameworks, 
>> 
>> I am shooting on super 8 tri x reversal black and white, stock number 7266. 
>> 
>> Do i rate this in daylight at 200 Asa? 
>> 
>> If i rate it at 200 Asa, do I need to open up any further than what the 
>> light meter indicates? I am using a sekonic analog meter. 
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Re: [Frameworks] Tri x reversal super 8

[FrameWorks Admin]

Hi Shumona,

Actually the ASA depends on how you develop it. You can also push or pull by 
choosing your own ASA setting.
If you develop as negative, the ASA is usually rated at 400, and as reversal at 
200, in daylight.

-Pip



> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:43 AM, Shumona Goel  wrote:
> 
>  Dear Frameworks, 
> 
> I am shooting on super 8 tri x reversal black and white, stock number 7266. 
> 
> Do i rate this in daylight at 200 Asa? 
> 
> If i rate it at 200 Asa, do I need to open up any further than what the light 
> meter indicates? I am using a sekonic analog meter. 

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Re: [Frameworks] TRI X REVERSAL SUPER 8

[Shumona Goel]

Thank you for these leads!


On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Jennifer Saparzadeh eteh...@gmail.comwrote:

 Spectra film video in Los Angeles is a great place that carries tri-x
 reversal. They also have special deal packages you can find on their site.

 Jennifer Saparzadeh

 On 9 janv. 2014, at 13:52, Shumona Goel shumonag...@gmail.com wrote:

  Dear Frameworks,
 
  Do you know where in the US I can purchase Tri x Reversal Super 8 stock?
 
  Thanks for your help,
  Shumona
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Re: [Frameworks] TRI X REVERSAL SUPER 8

[Jarrett Hayman]

Hello,

B  H photo is in Brooklyn, NY. They have a store, but if you're not in NY,
any of their film stocks can be purchased online. (bhphotovideo.com) Also
Tri-X is the only S8 stock that I've been able to find in well-stocked
photo supply stores, so depending on where you're at, and if you don't want
to wait for shipping, calling around to your local shops can't hurt.

-JH


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 Dear Frameworks,

 Do you know where in the US I can purchase Tri x Reversal Super 8 stock?

 Thanks for your help,
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Re: [Frameworks] TRI X REVERSAL SUPER 8

[Pip Chodorov]

I just bought a ton of Tri-X at Kodak NYC on Dec 31 before their 
prices went up.
They are now located in the Panavision building, 150 Varick Street, 
second floor.




At 17:52 +0500 9/01/14, Shumona Goel wrote:

Dear Frameworks,

Do you know where in the US I can purchase Tri x Reversal Super 8 stock?

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Re: [Frameworks] TRI X REVERSAL SUPER 8

[Scott Dorsey]

Call Kodak at 1-800-621-FILM, tell them you're a cash custmer and you
want catalogue number 1889575.  If you're in NY or Hollywood you can pick
it up at the will-call area, otherwise they will ship it to you.
--scott
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