Re: [Frameworks] black mask on colour print film
I know its not as cool as doing it all photo-chemically, but this sounds like a very good job for a digital intermediate. From: Bernd Luetzeler fi...@gmx.de To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] black mask on colour print film yes exactly that’s what we did, but the mask wasn’t always 100% centered, As a result, when zooming in, it shifted out of the center. The person behind the camera didn’t take that too serious in the beginning, so in some material the mask goes way out of center. After seeing the first rushes we took more care and avoided the same mistake in later material. But I spoke to the lab, and since we are going to do blow-ups from 16 to 35, they said that the horizontal position can be shifted a bit. So I guess that is what we will do. I was also thinking about putting a mask into that blow-up printer, but since we expose from negative, the mask would need to be white (light) and not black. I guess there aren’t some many other options… Bernd On 18-May-2015, at 17:11, Scott Dorsey klu...@panix.com wrote: Matte box on the camera shooting the original material??? --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] black mask on colour print film
yes exactly that’s what we did, but the mask wasn’t always 100% centered, As a result, when zooming in, it shifted out of the center. The person behind the camera didn’t take that too serious in the beginning, so in some material the mask goes way out of center. After seeing the first rushes we took more care and avoided the same mistake in later material. But I spoke to the lab, and since we are going to do blow-ups from 16 to 35, they said that the horizontal position can be shifted a bit. So I guess that is what we will do. I was also thinking about putting a mask into that blow-up printer, but since we expose from negative, the mask would need to be white (light) and not black. I guess there aren’t some many other options… Bernd On 18-May-2015, at 17:11, Scott Dorsey klu...@panix.com wrote: Matte box on the camera shooting the original material??? --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] black mask on colour print film
Chanhe different Matte box for each shot? 2015-05-18 7:55 GMT-04:00 Bernd Luetzeler fi...@gmx.de: yes exactly that’s what we did, but the mask wasn’t always 100% centered, As a result, when zooming in, it shifted out of the center. The person behind the camera didn’t take that too serious in the beginning, so in some material the mask goes way out of center. After seeing the first rushes we took more care and avoided the same mistake in later material. But I spoke to the lab, and since we are going to do blow-ups from 16 to 35, they said that the horizontal position can be shifted a bit. So I guess that is what we will do. I was also thinking about putting a mask into that blow-up printer, but since we expose from negative, the mask would need to be white (light) and not black. I guess there aren’t some many other options… Bernd On 18-May-2015, at 17:11, Scott Dorsey klu...@panix.com wrote: Matte box on the camera shooting the original material??? --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] black mask on colour print film
Dear Jeff, dear Scott, thanks for your ideas! The problem sounds so simple, but since the mask is changing from left to right between cuts, it’s quite a tricky thing… So masking the projector wouldn’t really work, but the fogging idea might do the job, let’s see… cheers Bernd On 17-May-2015, at 01:01, Jeff Kreines j...@kinetta.com wrote: You could fog one half of the print before processing using a camera/optical printer/contact printer with a mask added. But since most 35mm projectors have interchangeable brass aperture plates, it would be cheaper and simpler to make a custom plate that masks off the image. These are commonly used to mask the image to 1.66 or 1.85. Of course this is easier if you are only screening at one venue, since projectors will vary, and also the aperture plates are often custom-filed to deal with any angular displacement of the film and screen (I am blanking out on the word here — it’s not parallax but it’s like that.) It will come to me the moment I hit send. Got it. KEYSTONING. Applying a long length of tape on half of the print will likely cause all sorts of problems, including focus, and it’s likely to jam the projector, too. Perhaps there’s an ink or paint but getting a good clean line (if that’s what you want) will be difficult, and it will flake off in use. Then again that may be desirable in your case. Jeff On May 16, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Bernd Luetzeler fi...@gmx.de wrote: Dear Frameworkers, I need to find out how to cover one half of a 35mm colour print film with a black mask (after processing). Of course the first thing to try is an optical printer (before processing) and I will explore this option in the next few weeks. But as an alternative I already started thinking about other options: Since it is always either the left or the right half, I think it could be possible to apply a vertical strip of black over the whole print. Is there any paint, ink, marker or tape or other material, that fully blackens film and that does not come off during projection? Would be great to hear your experiences Bernd ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks Jeff Kreines Kinetta j...@kinetta.com kinetta.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] black mask on colour print film
Matte box on the camera shooting the original material??? --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] black mask on colour print film
You could fog one half of the print before processing using a camera/optical printer/contact printer with a mask added. But since most 35mm projectors have interchangeable brass aperture plates, it would be cheaper and simpler to make a custom plate that masks off the image. These are commonly used to mask the image to 1.66 or 1.85. Of course this is easier if you are only screening at one venue, since projectors will vary, and also the aperture plates are often custom-filed to deal with any angular displacement of the film and screen (I am blanking out on the word here — it’s not parallax but it’s like that.) It will come to me the moment I hit send. Got it. KEYSTONING. Applying a long length of tape on half of the print will likely cause all sorts of problems, including focus, and it’s likely to jam the projector, too. Perhaps there’s an ink or paint but getting a good clean line (if that’s what you want) will be difficult, and it will flake off in use. Then again that may be desirable in your case. Jeff On May 16, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Bernd Luetzeler fi...@gmx.de wrote: Dear Frameworkers, I need to find out how to cover one half of a 35mm colour print film with a black mask (after processing). Of course the first thing to try is an optical printer (before processing) and I will explore this option in the next few weeks. But as an alternative I already started thinking about other options: Since it is always either the left or the right half, I think it could be possible to apply a vertical strip of black over the whole print. Is there any paint, ink, marker or tape or other material, that fully blackens film and that does not come off during projection? Would be great to hear your experiences Bernd ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks Jeff Kreines Kinetta j...@kinetta.com kinetta.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] black mask on colour print film
Optical? Why not do this with a contact printer, just stick a piece of card in the gate and fog one half of the film. How sharp a line do you need? --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
