Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall
Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From the choices available Ubuntu is the only one developed and maintained by individuals with no commercial backing. Ubuntu is developed and maintained by Canonical Ltd. (see http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu). DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall
--- Peter A. Giessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if enough of us ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about FreeBSD and looking into providing support and especially drivers in the future. It can't hurt anyway :) http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey P.S., feel free to CC me as I'm not subscribed to this list. ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe the point of the OP is to raise awareness of FreeBSD in the dell survey - so choosing option f and then typing in FreeBSD would seem to be the way to do this. My 2c, Tim Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dell Servers I have installed
Greetings all, I have been known to give new life to Dell Customers, after migrating thier old W2K servers to FreeBSD, with Samba, this makes a fine File Server with execellent Security. Dell PowerEdge 1500SC, Intel Pentium III 1.2GHz, Tualatin 512 L2 cache, Intel Mainboard P2300, 512MB RAM, 36GB HDD SCSI U160 HotSwap Seagate ST336706LC, LG CD-ROM CDR-8482B EIDE, Standard Floppy Drive 1.44MB 3.5, RAGE XL PCI 4MB RAM, Seagate DAT 4mm DDS-4 Streamer 20-40GB SCSI, Intel Pro/1000 Network adaptor, Swiss Keyboard, Logitech wheel mouse, 17 SVGA, APC Smart_UPS 700VA FreeBSD v. 6.0 installation, with Samba v2.2.12, Physical Partitions /dev/ad0s1a /dev/ad0s1f /dev/ad0s1g /dev/ad0s1e Logical Partitions //dev/ad0s1a 512MB swap /tmp /dev/ad0s1f2048MB /var /dev/ad0s1g 512MB /usr /dev/ad0s1e 29789MB I make makes all home folders in the /usr partition. once every three months I check the server, and I give it a clean Bill of Health. So far so good It have been up for two years now, and the client is very happy. another ex Microsoft client who is very happy they did not have to make a mojor investment to buy new hardware and Win2003 server. What more can I say? Salvatore Albanese Sr. Consultant OEMS Sagl CP 210 6576 Gerra (Gambarogno) TI Switzerland Tel +41 91 859 0730 Fax +41 91 859 0731 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.oems.ch Skype name: oems_sagl - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 181, Issue 1 Send freebsd-advocacy mailing list submissions to freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of freebsd-advocacy digest... Today's Topics: 1. Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall (Peter A. Giessel) 2. Dell Linux survey (Scott I. Remick) 3. Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall (TooMany Secrets) 4. Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall (Julian Stacey) 5. Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall (Nikolas Britton) 6. Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall (Nikolas Britton) 7. Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall (Warren Myers) 8. Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall (Nikolas Britton) 9. Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav ) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:34:35 -0800 From: Peter A. Giessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if enough of us ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about FreeBSD and looking into providing support and especially drivers in the future. It can't hurt anyway :) http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey P.S., feel free to CC me as I'm not subscribed to this list. -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:49:01 -0400 From: Scott I. Remick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dell Linux survey To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Due to the positive response they've gotten regarding people wanting systems pre-installed with Linux, Dell has put a survey up: http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey FreeBSD users might want to fill out the survey and at the end, choose other for the distribution enter FreeBSD. Can't hurt :) -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:32:51 +0100 From: TooMany Secrets [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Sorry for the top-posting, but only one to was added, and wasn't this list. 2007/3/13, Peter A. Giessel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if enough of us ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about FreeBSD and looking into providing support and especially drivers in the future. Well... I was put a suggestion for FreeBSD, but thank's to my bad english the most possible could be that anybody was read my suggestion. -- Have a nice day ;-) TooManySecrets http://www.toomany.net Nine megs for the secretaries fair, Seven
Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall
On 3/14/07, Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From the choices available Ubuntu is the only one developed and maintained by individuals with no commercial backing. Ubuntu is developed and maintained by Canonical Ltd. (see http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu). The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made common cause to create a free operating system. This operating system that we have created is called Debian GNU/Linux, or simply Debian for short. Debian was begun in August 1993 by Ian Murdock, as a new distribution which would be made openly, in the spirit of Linux and GNU. Debian was meant to be carefully and conscientiously put together, and to be maintained and supported with similar care. It started as a small, tightly-knit group of Free Software hackers, and gradually grew to become a large, well-organized community of developers and users. http://www.debian.org/intro/about ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall
Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From the choices available Ubuntu is the only one developed and maintained by individuals with no commercial backing. Ubuntu is developed and maintained by Canonical Ltd. (see http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu). The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made common cause to create a free operating system. This operating system that we have created is called Debian GNU/Linux, or simply Debian for short. Ubuntu is not Debian. It is a derivative of Debian maintained by a commercial entity. The only difference between Canonical and RedHat or Novell in that respect is that Canonical charge only for support, not for the software. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall
On 3/14/07, Tim Clewlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Peter A. Giessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dell is actually asking what Linux Distro to install, but if enough of us ask for preinstalled FreeBSD, it might get them thinking about FreeBSD and looking into providing support and especially drivers in the future. It can't hurt anyway :) http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey I believe the point of the OP is to raise awareness of FreeBSD in the dell survey - so choosing option f and then typing in FreeBSD would seem to be the way to do this. Wrong time wrong place. Not voting for Ubuntu/Debian is the same as voting against it. In this respect it can hurt us very much. Why throw away your vote when you could vote for a group with the same philosophical and political views as us? You need to realize that the survey statistician is going to throw out the votes for FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall
On 3/14/07, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong time wrong place. Not voting for Ubuntu/Debian is the same as voting against it. In this respect it can hurt us very much. Why throw away your vote when you could vote for a group with the same philosophical and political views as us? You need to realize that the survey statistician is going to throw out the votes for FreeBSD. Do you think it's the right time and place (the freebsd-advocacy mailing list) to advise people to vote for Ubuntu instead of FreeBSD? :) ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall
On 14/03/07, Andrew Pantyukhin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/14/07, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong time wrong place. Not voting for Ubuntu/Debian is the same as voting against it. In this respect it can hurt us very much. Why throw away your vote when you could vote for a group with the same philosophical and political views as us? You need to realize that the survey statistician is going to throw out the votes for FreeBSD. Do you think it's the right time and place (the freebsd-advocacy mailing list) to advise people to vote for Ubuntu instead of FreeBSD? :) I'm not Nikolas, but let me say why *I* think it's the right place: If we all vote for Ubuntu, then we increase our chances of getting hardware that isn't proprietary in the sense of only having drivers for MSWin. Also, we avoid the Microsoft tax and can put FreeBSD on it when we get it. I know that I, for instance, would probably find fault with SOMETHING the Dell installers installed whether they chose my favourite OS/distro or not. Jeff -- Q: What will happen in the Aftermath? A: Impossible to tell, since we're still in the Beforemath. http://latedeveloper.org.uk ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall
Nikolas Britton wrote: [ snip ] You need to realize that the survey statistician is going to throw out the votes for FreeBSD. probably true. it is well known that surveys can be intentionally constructed to produce results that confirm the survey company's client's desired outcome. i do not know that this is the case here; rather, i am stating my suspicion of surveys and polls in general, including the ones taken on election day [ i'm from chicago ]. dell is flakking linux because linux is the b_school buzzword of which non_geek_aware managers are aware. i am not being disparaging of managers; it's just the way things are. rather than fooling around with this survey method, has any --sufficiently_senior-- freebsd person written to dell, inc. directly, right to the top of the company, businessman to businessman, using snail_mail, proposing that freebsd be added to their list of options? if, as i believe, freebsd is a superior product compared to the linuces and if, as i believe, freebsd is a lower cost product as well, then the freebsd os ought to sell itself. if freebsd is better and cheaper than all of the alternatives, then dell, inc. should be making freebsd its default non_doze os [ for those who prefer a non_doze os ], simply because it's a sound business decision. in addition to this, have any of we serfs thought to write to dell, inc. directly, using snail_mail, using letterhead, if we've got it, telling them about how much work it is to remove the pre_installed [ insert your favorite os name here ] system and install freebsd in its place [ after all, that --is-- what we're doing, isn't it ? ], because it is better at/for [ insert your reason list here ]? has anyone thought of telling them how many --more-- of their pre_fab boxen or 'topen we would buy, for in_house use or resale, if only we didn't have to do so much work [ after all, time --is-- money, isn't it ? ]? everybody and their grandmother in lower_slobovia has email these days. email can be filtered; it might not get there from here. because so few people use snail_mail for correspondencs anymore, it has acquired the desirable characteristic of punch. it has to be handled. just a thought. rob ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall
On 14/03/07, Eric Kjeldergaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: drivers.) For those of us using FreeBSD, there's not a substantial advantage to proprietary linux drivers over proprietary Windows drivers. We go unsupported either way. Hmm, well I would hope that they would use hardware with open source drivers only, in which case, yes, FreeBSD would be able to take advantage. Even if, say, the OSD's are GPL'ed, that would at least allow BSD users to inquire as to the specs from the OSD developers. Jeff -- Q: What will happen in the Aftermath? A: Impossible to tell, since we're still in the Beforemath. http://latedeveloper.org.uk -- Q: What will happen in the Aftermath? A: Impossible to tell, since we're still in the Beforemath. http://latedeveloper.org.uk ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall
--- Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/03/07, Eric Kjeldergaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: drivers.) For those of us using FreeBSD, there's not a substantial advantage to proprietary linux drivers over proprietary Windows drivers. We go unsupported either way. Hmm, well I would hope that they would use hardware with open source drivers only, in which case, yes, FreeBSD would be able to take advantage. Even if, say, the OSD's are GPL'ed, that would at least allow BSD users to inquire as to the specs from the OSD developers. Jeff -- The survey is asking What OS do you want pre-installed? - it is not asking Do you want open source drivers. If we choose an OS that might be able to get the binary globs removed and use the source instead, then in my opinion, we are playing games with the survey that may not actually end up with us getting something we can use in FreeBSD. By contrast, if enough people vote for FreeBSD, then dell might actually offer to install FreeBSD. If this happens then we have two major benefits: 1. An advocate in the form of a major computer supplier including FreeBSD in its sales/promotional material, 2. A strong ally who will presumably assist in convincing device manufacturers to release their driver source code, or necessary specs to write the drivers. Tim. Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dell is asking what free OS to preinstall
On 3/14/07, Tim Clewlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/03/07, Eric Kjeldergaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: drivers.) For those of us using FreeBSD, there's not a substantial advantage to proprietary linux drivers over proprietary Windows drivers. We go unsupported either way. Hmm, well I would hope that they would use hardware with open source drivers only, in which case, yes, FreeBSD would be able to take advantage. Even if, say, the OSD's are GPL'ed, that would at least allow BSD users to inquire as to the specs from the OSD developers. Jeff -- The survey is asking What OS do you want pre-installed? - it is not asking Do you want open source drivers. If we choose an OS that might be able to get the binary globs removed and use the source instead, then in my opinion, we are playing games with the survey that may not actually end up with us getting something we can use in FreeBSD. By contrast, if enough people vote for FreeBSD, then dell might actually offer to install FreeBSD. Stop right there. Dell has already decided to go with Linux and they've stated we can only support one distribution, this survey is to decide which distribution gets preinstalled and supported. I repeat, the decision to go with Linux has already been made, get this through your heads and stop barking up the wrong tree! If you want FreeBSD preinstalled then go to this tree and bark it up: http://www.dellideastorm.com/article/show/62466/FreeBSD_or_BSD_support ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pre-installing in general
Hello, The discussion on Dell's survery about pre-installing a Linux distro has made me think of a slightly different approach. Rather than being prompted by things like a survey, maybe we should be more pro-active. Are there any groups in the FreeBSD community actively going to manufacturers and offering to assist them with instructions/information on how to include FreeBSD as a pre-installed option. Perhaps if we go to manufacturers and offer to hold their hand and walk them through every step necessary to make pre-installing FreeBSD as simple as possible, then who knows what will happen? If we offer to do the work for them, so they have to do as little as possible, then they might turn around and say, great, we would love to have another pre-install option. Just a thought, Tim. Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
