Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax.

2012-11-20 Thread Gleb Smirnoff
  Mark,

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 03:43:17PM +0100, Mark Martinec wrote:
M> For one thing, I'm desperately awaiting NAT64 support (the 'af-to'
M> translation rule in newer pf (5.1?), committed on 2011-10).

Backport this exact feature to FreeBSD and send patch.

M> Other: packet normalization (scrub) has been reworked and simplified,
M> and is now a rulset option. Considering that scrub is currently broken
M> (9.1, see list of PF bugs in FreeBSD), along with several other
M> bugs that need fixing, it seems the (scarce) manpower would better
M> be spent in moving on, than keeping the already leaky (buggy) pf
M> afloat.

Yes, scrub improvements can be cherry picked and added to FreeBSD, too.

But if you think that bulk import of new version would close all current
bugs without opening new problems, then you are mistaking. Last bulk
import introduced much more bugs than it closed. And this statement isn't
a accusation towards the person who did the import. This is just a generic
rule. If you take 100k lines of code that were developed for another
operating system kernel and without thourough reviewing it just make it
compile and link with another kernel, then you are about to miss many
rough edges that will show up later, when the code would be utilized.

Thus, cherry-picking is preferred over bulk imports.

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Re: problem booting to multi-vdev root pool

2012-11-20 Thread Andrei Lavreniyuk
2012/11/20 Andriy Gapon :
> on 20/11/2012 17:06 Andriy Gapon said the following:
>> on 20/11/2012 16:59 Andrei Lavreniyuk said the following:
> Sorry to make you jump through so many hoops.
> Now that I see that the probed config is entirely correct, the problem 
> appears to
> be quite obvious: vdev_alloc is not able to properly use spa_version in 
> this
> context because spa_ubsync is not initialized yet.
>
> Let me think about how to fix this.

 I hope that the following simple patch should fix the problem:
 http://people.freebsd.org/~avg/spa_import_rootpool.version.diff
>>>
>>>
>>>   At mount system trap and reboot.
>>>
>>
>> Unexpected.  Can you catch the backtrace of the panic?
>> If you have it on the screen.
>>
>>
>
> Ah, found another bogosity in the code:
> --- a/sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/fs/zfs/spa.c
> +++ b/sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/fs/zfs/spa.c
> @@ -3925,8 +4117,6 @@ spa_import_rootpool(const char *name)
> return (error);
> }
>
> -   spa_history_log_version(spa, LOG_POOL_IMPORT);
> -
> spa_config_enter(spa, SCL_ALL, FTAG, RW_WRITER);
> vdev_free(rvd);
> spa_config_exit(spa, SCL_ALL, FTAG);
>
>
> This previously "worked" only because the pool version was zero and thus the
> action was a NOP anyway.
>


Problem solved. Raidz pool mount without zpool.cache.


# zpool status -v
  pool: zsolar
 state: ONLINE
  scan: resilvered 2,56M in 0h0m with 0 errors on Tue Nov 20 10:26:35 2012
config:

NAME   STATE READ WRITE CKSUM
zsolar ONLINE   0 0 0
  raidz2-0 ONLINE   0 0 0
gpt/disk0  ONLINE   0 0 0
gpt/disk2  ONLINE   0 0 0
gpt/disk3  ONLINE   0 0 0

errors: No known data errors

# uname -a
FreeBSD opensolaris.technica-03.local 10.0-CURRENT FreeBSD
10.0-CURRENT #6 r243278M: Wed Nov 21 09:28:51 EET 2012
root@opensolaris.technica-03.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP64R  amd64


Thanks!
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Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Gleb Smirnoff
  Chuck,

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:33:11AM -0600, Chuck Burns wrote:
C> Why not release pf2 as a port?  Then those who want the new pf can use 
C> it, and those that want the old one can use it.
C> 
C> Or, another option is a knob USE_NEWPF during buildworld will build the 
C> new pf, otherwise it'd build the old, default one.
C> 
C> This way you can still introduce the change, but default to the old one 
C> for those of us who are too crusty to change. :)

Why not? The netpfil/ subdir in the source tree has enough space
for zillions of packet filters.

Just do the dirty coding job and post patches. If you see the point
in doing this, then you are the person to do.

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Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Gleb Smirnoff
  Olivier,

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 01:24:49PM +0100, Olivier Smedts wrote:
O> > The other question that I haven't seen answered (or maybe even asked), but
O> > is relevant: what do we gain by going to a later version of pf?  I.e. as an
O> > administrator, what benefit do I get by having to expend effort converting
O> > my filter rules?
O> >
O> > Gary
O> 
O> At some time we'll surely *have* to upgrade our pf, because the legacy
O> version won't be supported upstream. I say that a major release is the
O> most appropriated place for such a change.

This isn't answer to Gary's question, sorry. He asked for what exact features
or performance gains are we talking about when we say "the new pf".

Regarding your answer. First, OpenBSD never supports anything older than
the latest release. Thus, pf in FreeBSD was never supported by OpenBSD
and never would be. Second, if you carefully analyze current open problem
reports in GNATS assigned to freebsd-pf, you would find, that vast majority
of them are specific to FreeBSD port and are not shared with OpenBSD. Taking
this into account I will state, that pf needs to be supported by FreeBSD
developers, end.

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Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax.

2012-11-20 Thread Kevin Wilcox
On Nov 20, 2012 9:44 AM, "Mark Martinec" 
wrote:
>
> Paul Webster wrote:
> > I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF,
> > I believe the final decision was that too many users are used to the old
> > style pf and an upgrade to the new syntax would cause too much
confusion.
>
> I don't buy that. Think of a confusion in a year of two when
> OpenBSD PF rules and the PF documentation won't match the
> legacy syntax in FreeBSD's PF.

Their documentation already doesn't match the legacy syntax, you have to
look for older pf documentation to match that in use by FreeBSD. This has
been the case since at least OpenBSD 4.7:

http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade47.html

To get documentation for FreeBSD pf, you generally need to look for OpenBSD
documentation for 4.2 or 4.3 as there were minute changes in the mid-4.x
range.

kmw
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Re[2]: netisr panic?

2012-11-20 Thread Eugen Konkov
Здравствуйте, Ian.

Вы писали 19 ноября 2012 г., 7:32:08:

IF> Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 05:07:54PM +0200, Ian FREISLICH wrote:
>> I> I have this consistently with:
>> I> 
>> I> FreeBSD firewall2.jnb1.gp-online.net 10.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #30
IF>  r243156: Fri Nov 16 20:12:33 SAST 2012
IF> i...@firewall2.jnb1.gp-online.net:/
IF> usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FIREWALL  amd64
>> 
>> Pretty sure this is a new version of wrong byte order panic, which
>> no longer can happen in HEAD.
>> 
>> Can you please try this patch?

Do you mean 10 only. Are that available in FreeBSD 9?



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Re: sluggish X.org/Xfce behavior

2012-11-20 Thread Warren Block

On Tue, 20 Nov 2012, René Ladan wrote:


On 20-11-2012 15:34, Warren Block wrote:

On Tue, 20 Nov 2012, René Ladan wrote:


since last weekend (November 17th) I have been noticing a sluggish
behavior of X.org/Xfce. Typical symptoms are:
- Alt-Tab not reacting all of the time
- pulldown/popup menus not allowing selections with mouse (typically in
Terminal/pidgin), or moving the mouse (touchpad) results in an automatic
click
- typing something in a Terminal requires mouse (touchpad) movements for
the text to show up
- sometimes moving the mouse (touchpad) is required for the laptop to
"wake up"; this is noticeable when Thunderbird downloads all messages
from the period when the laptop was "frozen".


This is one of the problems that having Option "AllowEmptyInput" "Off"
in xorg.conf causes.  If you have that, substitute Option
"AutoAddDevices" "Off" in the same place.

Commenting out "AllowEmptyInput" "Off" (and not having an AutoAddDevices
entry) works for me.

Must do better homework...


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Re: sluggish X.org/Xfce behavior

2012-11-20 Thread René Ladan
On 20-11-2012 15:34, Warren Block wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2012, René Ladan wrote:
>
>> since last weekend (November 17th) I have been noticing a sluggish
>> behavior of X.org/Xfce. Typical symptoms are:
>> - Alt-Tab not reacting all of the time
>> - pulldown/popup menus not allowing selections with mouse (typically in
>> Terminal/pidgin), or moving the mouse (touchpad) results in an automatic
>> click
>> - typing something in a Terminal requires mouse (touchpad) movements for
>> the text to show up
>> - sometimes moving the mouse (touchpad) is required for the laptop to
>> "wake up"; this is noticeable when Thunderbird downloads all messages
>> from the period when the laptop was "frozen".
>
> This is one of the problems that having Option "AllowEmptyInput" "Off"
> in xorg.conf causes.  If you have that, substitute Option
> "AutoAddDevices" "Off" in the same place.
Commenting out "AllowEmptyInput" "Off" (and not having an AutoAddDevices
entry) works for me.

Must do better homework...

René
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Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Adam Vande More
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Chuck Burns  wrote:

> The ones who want the old pf can maintain it.. those who want the new one,
> can maintain *it*.


This is beach front property on Fantasy Island.  There isn't even enough
manpower to sufficiently support one currently.

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Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Chuck Burns

On 11/20/2012 11:51 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:

On 20 November 2012 12:47, Chuck Burns  wrote:

Nonsense.  More options are always preferable to fewer options.

Even when those options must be maintained? Documented? Bug fixed?


The ones who want the old pf can maintain it.. those who want the new 
one, can maintain *it*. I, for one, would prefer the new one eventually 
replace the old one, but there should definitely be a transition period, 
similar to how pkgng is going in.


Chuck
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Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Eitan Adler
On 20 November 2012 12:47, Chuck Burns  wrote:
> Nonsense.  More options are always preferable to fewer options.

Even when those options must be maintained? Documented? Bug fixed?


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Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Chuck Burns

On 11/20/2012 10:52 AM, Aldis Berjoza wrote:



20.11.2012, 18:34, "Chuck Burns" :

On 11/20/2012 10:27 AM, O. Hartmann wrote:


  On 11/20/12 11:43, Olivier Smedts wrote:

  2012/11/20 Paul Webster :

  I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF, I
  believe the final decision was that to many users are used to the old
  style pf and an upgrade to the new syntax would cause to much confusion.

  But a change like this is expected in a new major branch, ie.
  10-CURRENT. Not so in -STABLE branches of course. I don't see the
  problem here.

  Cheers

  What would be the alternative? Being stuck with the old PF?  As Olivier
  Smedts said, changes like that are expected in a complete new branch. If
  people need to stay compatible, they are about to use 9.X as long as
  they have migrated. The downside is more work. The bright side would be
  development/progression.

  oh


Why not release pf2 as a port?  Then those who want the new pf can use
it, and those that want the old one can use it.

Or, another option is a knob USE_NEWPF during buildworld will build the
new pf, otherwise it'd build the old, default one.

This way you can still introduce the change, but default to the old one
for those of us who are too crusty to change. :)



FreeBSD already have 3x firewalls. Having 4th m I think, isn't desired.



Nonsense.  More options are always preferable to fewer options.

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Re: wifi + wpa_supplicant in 9.1-RC3

2012-11-20 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 20 November 2012 05:52, CeDeROM  wrote:
> Hello :-)
>
> I have some problems with WiFi connectivity on my Dell Latitude E4310
> laptop with Intel card. Very often connection is broken, although
> windows clients of the same network is working fine. I need to turn
> radio off and on, sometimes this does not help, I need to kill
> wpa_supplicant and start one by hand, so probably this is something
> related with wpa_supplicant. Anyone observed similar issues?

Please file a PR with the details.

Which wireless card is it? Which driver/

> Btw if WiFi N supported?

Yes, the iwn(4) NICs support 802.11n in 9.1.


> Best regards :-)
> Tomek
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Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Aldis Berjoza


20.11.2012, 18:34, "Chuck Burns" :
> On 11/20/2012 10:27 AM, O. Hartmann wrote:
>
>>  On 11/20/12 11:43, Olivier Smedts wrote:
>>>  2012/11/20 Paul Webster :
  I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF, I
  believe the final decision was that to many users are used to the old
  style pf and an upgrade to the new syntax would cause to much confusion.
>>>  But a change like this is expected in a new major branch, ie.
>>>  10-CURRENT. Not so in -STABLE branches of course. I don't see the
>>>  problem here.
>>>
>>>  Cheers
>>  What would be the alternative? Being stuck with the old PF?  As Olivier
>>  Smedts said, changes like that are expected in a complete new branch. If
>>  people need to stay compatible, they are about to use 9.X as long as
>>  they have migrated. The downside is more work. The bright side would be
>>  development/progression.
>>
>>  oh
>
> Why not release pf2 as a port?  Then those who want the new pf can use
> it, and those that want the old one can use it.
>
> Or, another option is a knob USE_NEWPF during buildworld will build the
> new pf, otherwise it'd build the old, default one.
>
> This way you can still introduce the change, but default to the old one
> for those of us who are too crusty to change. :)
>

FreeBSD already have 3x firewalls. Having 4th m I think, isn't desired.

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Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Chuck Burns

On 11/20/2012 10:27 AM, O. Hartmann wrote:

On 11/20/12 11:43, Olivier Smedts wrote:

2012/11/20 Paul Webster :

I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF, I
believe the final decision was that to many users are used to the old
style pf and an upgrade to the new syntax would cause to much confusion.


But a change like this is expected in a new major branch, ie.
10-CURRENT. Not so in -STABLE branches of course. I don't see the
problem here.

Cheers



What would be the alternative? Being stuck with the old PF?  As Olivier
Smedts said, changes like that are expected in a complete new branch. If
people need to stay compatible, they are about to use 9.X as long as
they have migrated. The downside is more work. The bright side would be
development/progression.

oh



Why not release pf2 as a port?  Then those who want the new pf can use 
it, and those that want the old one can use it.


Or, another option is a knob USE_NEWPF during buildworld will build the 
new pf, otherwise it'd build the old, default one.


This way you can still introduce the change, but default to the old one 
for those of us who are too crusty to change. :)


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Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread O. Hartmann
On 11/20/12 11:43, Olivier Smedts wrote:
> 2012/11/20 Paul Webster :
>> I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF, I
>> believe the final decision was that to many users are used to the old
>> style pf and an upgrade to the new syntax would cause to much confusion.
> 
> But a change like this is expected in a new major branch, ie.
> 10-CURRENT. Not so in -STABLE branches of course. I don't see the
> problem here.
> 
> Cheers
> 

What would be the alternative? Being stuck with the old PF?  As Olivier
Smedts said, changes like that are expected in a complete new branch. If
people need to stay compatible, they are about to use 9.X as long as
they have migrated. The downside is more work. The bright side would be
development/progression.

oh



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Re: problem booting to multi-vdev root pool

2012-11-20 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 20/11/2012 17:06 Andriy Gapon said the following:
> on 20/11/2012 16:59 Andrei Lavreniyuk said the following:
 Sorry to make you jump through so many hoops.
 Now that I see that the probed config is entirely correct, the problem 
 appears to
 be quite obvious: vdev_alloc is not able to properly use spa_version in 
 this
 context because spa_ubsync is not initialized yet.

 Let me think about how to fix this.
>>>
>>> I hope that the following simple patch should fix the problem:
>>> http://people.freebsd.org/~avg/spa_import_rootpool.version.diff
>>
>>
>>   At mount system trap and reboot.
>>
> 
> Unexpected.  Can you catch the backtrace of the panic?
> If you have it on the screen.
> 
> 

Ah, found another bogosity in the code:
--- a/sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/fs/zfs/spa.c
+++ b/sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/fs/zfs/spa.c
@@ -3925,8 +4117,6 @@ spa_import_rootpool(const char *name)
return (error);
}

-   spa_history_log_version(spa, LOG_POOL_IMPORT);
-
spa_config_enter(spa, SCL_ALL, FTAG, RW_WRITER);
vdev_free(rvd);
spa_config_exit(spa, SCL_ALL, FTAG);


This previously "worked" only because the pool version was zero and thus the
action was a NOP anyway.

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Re: problem booting to multi-vdev root pool

2012-11-20 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 20/11/2012 16:59 Andrei Lavreniyuk said the following:
>>> Sorry to make you jump through so many hoops.
>>> Now that I see that the probed config is entirely correct, the problem 
>>> appears to
>>> be quite obvious: vdev_alloc is not able to properly use spa_version in this
>>> context because spa_ubsync is not initialized yet.
>>>
>>> Let me think about how to fix this.
>>
>> I hope that the following simple patch should fix the problem:
>> http://people.freebsd.org/~avg/spa_import_rootpool.version.diff
> 
> 
>   At mount system trap and reboot.
> 

Unexpected.  Can you catch the backtrace of the panic?
If you have it on the screen.


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Re: problem booting to multi-vdev root pool

2012-11-20 Thread Andrei Lavreniyuk
>> Sorry to make you jump through so many hoops.
>> Now that I see that the probed config is entirely correct, the problem 
>> appears to
>> be quite obvious: vdev_alloc is not able to properly use spa_version in this
>> context because spa_ubsync is not initialized yet.
>>
>> Let me think about how to fix this.
>
> I hope that the following simple patch should fix the problem:
> http://people.freebsd.org/~avg/spa_import_rootpool.version.diff


  At mount system trap and reboot.


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Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax.

2012-11-20 Thread Mark Martinec
Paul Webster wrote:
> I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF,
> I believe the final decision was that too many users are used to the old
> style pf and an upgrade to the new syntax would cause too much confusion.

I don't buy that. Think of a confusion in a year of two when
OpenBSD PF rules and the PF documentation won't match the
legacy syntax in FreeBSD's PF.


Maxim Khitrov wrote:
> > 1) To move to the newer pf and just add to releases notes what had
> > happened,
> My vote is for option 1, but I'll also be happy with option 2 if it
> costs little to maintain both versions. I'm pretty much for anything
> that brings pf in sync (or close to it) with OpenBSD.

My sentiments exactly.


Olivier Smedts wrote:
> But a change like this is expected in a new major branch, ie.
> 10-CURRENT. Not so in -STABLE branches of course. I don't see the
> problem here.

Indeed.


Gary Palmer wrote:
> So you don't expect people to upgrade boxes in place?
> I also guess you've never been 5,000 miles away from a box and typo'd
> something in the firewall and locked yourself out.  The think how tons
> of FreeBSD users would feel if the default pf syntax was changed to be
> incompatible and they find themselves in a similar situation after an
> upgrade.

The risk of locking oneself out even on minor fiddling with fw rules
on a remote machine, let alone upgrading its OS, is something that
every administrator is already aware if. Working without a safety net
is unwise for a hobbyist, and unacceptable for a professional.
I don't think the above argument holds water.

 
Olivier Smedts wrote:
> Another question : how did OpenBSD managed this change ?

This is from  http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade46.html
|
| If you reboot your system without a usable pf.conf file in place, your pf
| rules will not be loaded, and you will end up using the default rule set,
| which will block all traffic EXCEPT for ssh over the standard port 22.
| This means that if you do not fix your pf.conf rules before rebooting,
| you may be greeted by a box that does not even respond to pings.
| Do not panic, as you can still ssh to the box, assuming you have sshd(8)
| listening on the usual port.


Gary Palmer wrote:
> The other question that I haven't seen answered (or maybe even asked), but
> is relevant: what do we gain by going to a later version of pf?  I.e. as an
> administrator, what benefit do I get by having to expend effort converting
> my filter rules?

For one thing, I'm desperately awaiting NAT64 support (the 'af-to'
translation rule in newer pf (5.1?), committed on 2011-10).

Other: packet normalization (scrub) has been reworked and simplified,
and is now a rulset option. Considering that scrub is currently broken
(9.1, see list of PF bugs in FreeBSD), along with several other
bugs that need fixing, it seems the (scarce) manpower would better
be spent in moving on, than keeping the already leaky (buggy) pf
afloat.

I think the compatibility issue should not be used as an excuse
for not moving on. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

  Mark
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Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Rainer Duffner
Am Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:24:49 +0100
schrieb Olivier Smedts :


> Another question : how did OpenBSD managed this change ?


AFAIK, their users are used to stuff just disappearing or changing.
Remember that pf started as a replacement to ipf and the rulesets had
to be rewritten anyway.

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Re: sluggish X.org/Xfce behavior

2012-11-20 Thread Warren Block

On Tue, 20 Nov 2012, René Ladan wrote:


since last weekend (November 17th) I have been noticing a sluggish
behavior of X.org/Xfce. Typical symptoms are:
- Alt-Tab not reacting all of the time
- pulldown/popup menus not allowing selections with mouse (typically in
Terminal/pidgin), or moving the mouse (touchpad) results in an automatic
click
- typing something in a Terminal requires mouse (touchpad) movements for
the text to show up
- sometimes moving the mouse (touchpad) is required for the laptop to
"wake up"; this is noticeable when Thunderbird downloads all messages
from the period when the laptop was "frozen".


This is one of the problems that having Option "AllowEmptyInput" "Off" 
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Re: problem booting to multi-vdev root pool

2012-11-20 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 20/11/2012 15:56 Andriy Gapon said the following:
> on 20/11/2012 15:34 Andrei Lavreniyuk said the following:
>>> What about the " "un-ifdef" the DEBUG sections of it" part?
>>
>>
>> http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_000.jpeg
>> http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_001.jpeg
>> http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_002.jpeg
>> http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_003.jpeg
>>
> 
> Sorry to make you jump through so many hoops.
> Now that I see that the probed config is entirely correct, the problem 
> appears to
> be quite obvious: vdev_alloc is not able to properly use spa_version in this
> context because spa_ubsync is not initialized yet.
> 
> Let me think about how to fix this.

I hope that the following simple patch should fix the problem:
http://people.freebsd.org/~avg/spa_import_rootpool.version.diff

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Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Fbsd8

Olivier Smedts wrote:

2012/11/20 Gary Palmer :

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:43:04AM +0100, Olivier Smedts wrote:

2012/11/20 Paul Webster :

I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF, I
believe the final decision was that to many users are used to the old
style pf and an upgrade to the new syntax would cause to much confusion.

But a change like this is expected in a new major branch, ie.
10-CURRENT. Not so in -STABLE branches of course. I don't see the
problem here.

So you don't expect people to upgrade boxes in place?


I expect that before upgrading to a *major* version you should read an
updating or "what's changed" documentation.


I also guess you've never been 5,000 miles away from a box and typo'd something
in the firewall and locked yourself out.  The think how tons of FreeBSD
users would feel if the default pf syntax was changed to be incompatible and
they find themselves in a similar situation after an upgrade.  Defaulting to
open, while it could solve the problem (although I would suspect there could
be edge cases where it doesn't), could be bad for other reasons.


This already happened to me but, no, not during a major upgrade
because I won't do this kind of work without at least someone on-site.


The other question that I haven't seen answered (or maybe even asked), but
is relevant: what do we gain by going to a later version of pf?  I.e. as an
administrator, what benefit do I get by having to expend effort converting
my filter rules?

Gary


At some time we'll surely *have* to upgrade our pf, because the legacy
version won't be supported upstream. I say that a major release is the
most appropriated place for such a change.

Another question : how did OpenBSD managed this change ?

Cheers




Hay I have been down this road myself. It's no longer possible to just 
re-port the current OpenBSD version of PF to FreeBSD. The FreeBSD 
version has been rewritten. Read all the threads shown in this post for 
all the gory details.



[HEADS UP] merging projects/pf into head

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-pf/2012-September/006740.html



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Re: problem booting to multi-vdev root pool

2012-11-20 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 20/11/2012 15:34 Andrei Lavreniyuk said the following:
>> What about the " "un-ifdef" the DEBUG sections of it" part?
> 
> 
> http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_000.jpeg
> http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_001.jpeg
> http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_002.jpeg
> http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_003.jpeg
> 

Sorry to make you jump through so many hoops.
Now that I see that the probed config is entirely correct, the problem appears 
to
be quite obvious: vdev_alloc is not able to properly use spa_version in this
context because spa_ubsync is not initialized yet.

Let me think about how to fix this.

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wifi + wpa_supplicant in 9.1-RC3

2012-11-20 Thread CeDeROM
Hello :-)

I have some problems with WiFi connectivity on my Dell Latitude E4310
laptop with Intel card. Very often connection is broken, although
windows clients of the same network is working fine. I need to turn
radio off and on, sometimes this does not help, I need to kill
wpa_supplicant and start one by hand, so probably this is something
related with wpa_supplicant. Anyone observed similar issues?

Btw if WiFi N supported?

Best regards :-)
Tomek

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Re: sluggish X.org/Xfce behavior

2012-11-20 Thread CeDeROM
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Bernhard Fröhlich  wrote:
> Very interesting symptoms. I had the same until xf86-input-mouse was fixed
> with the last update. The symptoms were reproducible when attaching an
> USB mouse which caused all kind of weird X11 (re)drawing issues.

Exactly, known issue with xorg-mouse and xorg configuration + hald +
allowEmptyInput, see list archive for good explanation :-)

Best regards :-)
Tomek

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Re: sluggish X.org/Xfce behavior

2012-11-20 Thread Bernhard Fröhlich
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:18 AM, René Ladan  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> since last weekend (November 17th) I have been noticing a sluggish
> behavior of X.org/Xfce. Typical symptoms are:
> - Alt-Tab not reacting all of the time
> - pulldown/popup menus not allowing selections with mouse (typically in
> Terminal/pidgin), or moving the mouse (touchpad) results in an automatic
> click
> - typing something in a Terminal requires mouse (touchpad) movements for
> the text to show up
> - sometimes moving the mouse (touchpad) is required for the laptop to
> "wake up"; this is noticeable when Thunderbird downloads all messages
> from the period when the laptop was "frozen".
>
> I am running 10-amd64 r243234 (so with clang as cc) and ports 307851
> without any local modifications. Since November 5 (when clang became cc)
> I noticed x11/nvidia-driver and x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse were
> updated but rebuilding those with gcc did not make any difference. Maybe
> I missed a related port? All ports last updated before November 5th are
> still built with gcc.
>
> My /etc/make.conf and /etc/rc.conf are attached.
>
> Has anyone else been noticing this?

Very interesting symptoms. I had the same until xf86-input-mouse was fixed
with the last update. The symptoms were reproducible when attaching an
USB mouse which caused all kind of weird X11 (re)drawing issues.

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Re: problem booting to multi-vdev root pool

2012-11-20 Thread Andrei Lavreniyuk
> What about the " "un-ifdef" the DEBUG sections of it" part?


http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_000.jpeg
http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_001.jpeg
http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_002.jpeg
http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_003.jpeg
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Re: problem booting to multi-vdev root pool

2012-11-20 Thread Andrei Lavreniyuk
2012/11/20 Andriy Gapon :
> on 20/11/2012 14:41 Andrei Lavreniyuk said the following:
>> Hi!
>>
>>
>>> "Can not parse the config for pool" message explains what happens but not 
>>> why...
>>>
>>> Could you please apply the following patch, "un-ifdef" the DEBUG sections 
>>> of it
>>> and try again?
>>> http://people.freebsd.org/~avg/spa_generate_rootconf.debug.diff
>>
>>
>> I use spa_generate_rootconf.debug.diff.
>
> What about the " "un-ifdef" the DEBUG sections of it" part?



Sorry. A few minutes ...



>
>> make kernel && reboot
>>
>> No new debug messages. Pool cannot mount.
>
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Re: problem booting to multi-vdev root pool

2012-11-20 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 20/11/2012 14:41 Andrei Lavreniyuk said the following:
> Hi!
> 
> 
>> "Can not parse the config for pool" message explains what happens but not 
>> why...
>>
>> Could you please apply the following patch, "un-ifdef" the DEBUG sections of 
>> it
>> and try again?
>> http://people.freebsd.org/~avg/spa_generate_rootconf.debug.diff
> 
> 
> I use spa_generate_rootconf.debug.diff.

What about the " "un-ifdef" the DEBUG sections of it" part?

> make kernel && reboot
> 
> No new debug messages. Pool cannot mount.

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Re: problem booting to multi-vdev root pool

2012-11-20 Thread Andrei Lavreniyuk
2012/11/20 Andrei Lavreniyuk :
> Hi!
>
>
>> "Can not parse the config for pool" message explains what happens but not 
>> why...
>>
>> Could you please apply the following patch, "un-ifdef" the DEBUG sections of 
>> it
>> and try again?
>> http://people.freebsd.org/~avg/spa_generate_rootconf.debug.diff
>
>
> I use spa_generate_rootconf.debug.diff.
>
> make kernel && reboot
>
> No new debug messages. Pool cannot mount.



This problem is only on systems with raidz. System with ZFS Mirror
work normally.



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Re: problem booting to multi-vdev root pool

2012-11-20 Thread Andrei Lavreniyuk
Hi!


> "Can not parse the config for pool" message explains what happens but not 
> why...
>
> Could you please apply the following patch, "un-ifdef" the DEBUG sections of 
> it
> and try again?
> http://people.freebsd.org/~avg/spa_generate_rootconf.debug.diff


I use spa_generate_rootconf.debug.diff.

make kernel && reboot

No new debug messages. Pool cannot mount.





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Re: problem booting to multi-vdev root pool

2012-11-20 Thread Andrei Lavreniyuk
2012/11/20 Tom Evans :
> All those files just redirect to the homepage for me...

Fixed.


Please download and view files:

http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/disk0.txt
http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/disk2.txt
http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/disk3.txt

http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/zdb_CC_zsolar.txt
http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/gpart_show.txt
http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/gpart_show_label.txt

http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_004.jpeg
http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_005.jpeg
http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_006.jpeg
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Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Olivier Smedts
2012/11/20 Gary Palmer :
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:43:04AM +0100, Olivier Smedts wrote:
>> 2012/11/20 Paul Webster :
>> > I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF, I
>> > believe the final decision was that to many users are used to the old
>> > style pf and an upgrade to the new syntax would cause to much confusion.
>>
>> But a change like this is expected in a new major branch, ie.
>> 10-CURRENT. Not so in -STABLE branches of course. I don't see the
>> problem here.
>
> So you don't expect people to upgrade boxes in place?

I expect that before upgrading to a *major* version you should read an
updating or "what's changed" documentation.

> I also guess you've never been 5,000 miles away from a box and typo'd 
> something
> in the firewall and locked yourself out.  The think how tons of FreeBSD
> users would feel if the default pf syntax was changed to be incompatible and
> they find themselves in a similar situation after an upgrade.  Defaulting to
> open, while it could solve the problem (although I would suspect there could
> be edge cases where it doesn't), could be bad for other reasons.

This already happened to me but, no, not during a major upgrade
because I won't do this kind of work without at least someone on-site.

> The other question that I haven't seen answered (or maybe even asked), but
> is relevant: what do we gain by going to a later version of pf?  I.e. as an
> administrator, what benefit do I get by having to expend effort converting
> my filter rules?
>
> Gary

At some time we'll surely *have* to upgrade our pf, because the legacy
version won't be supported upstream. I say that a major release is the
most appropriated place for such a change.

Another question : how did OpenBSD managed this change ?

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Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Gary Palmer
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:43:04AM +0100, Olivier Smedts wrote:
> 2012/11/20 Paul Webster :
> > I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF, I
> > believe the final decision was that to many users are used to the old
> > style pf and an upgrade to the new syntax would cause to much confusion.
> 
> But a change like this is expected in a new major branch, ie.
> 10-CURRENT. Not so in -STABLE branches of course. I don't see the
> problem here.

So you don't expect people to upgrade boxes in place?

I also guess you've never been 5,000 miles away from a box and typo'd something
in the firewall and locked yourself out.  The think how tons of FreeBSD
users would feel if the default pf syntax was changed to be incompatible and
they find themselves in a similar situation after an upgrade.  Defaulting to
open, while it could solve the problem (although I would suspect there could
be edge cases where it doesn't), could be bad for other reasons.

The other question that I haven't seen answered (or maybe even asked), but
is relevant: what do we gain by going to a later version of pf?  I.e. as an
administrator, what benefit do I get by having to expend effort converting
my filter rules?

Gary
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Re: problem booting to multi-vdev root pool

2012-11-20 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 20/11/2012 12:45 Andrei Lavreniyuk said the following:
> Hi!
> 
> 
>> Are there any other unusual messages before this line?
>> Could you please try adding vfs.zfs.debug=1 to loader.conf and check again?
> 
>> Could you also provide 'zdb -CC zsolar' output and 'zdb -l /dev/gpt/diskX' 
>> for
>> each of the disks.  These could be uploaded somewhere as they can be quite 
>> lengthy.
> 
> 
> Please view attached files.

Thank you.
"Can not parse the config for pool" message explains what happens but not why...

Could you please apply the following patch, "un-ifdef" the DEBUG sections of it
and try again?
http://people.freebsd.org/~avg/spa_generate_rootconf.debug.diff


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Re: problem booting to multi-vdev root pool

2012-11-20 Thread Andrei Lavreniyuk
Hi!


> Are there any other unusual messages before this line?
> Could you please try adding vfs.zfs.debug=1 to loader.conf and check again?

> Could you also provide 'zdb -CC zsolar' output and 'zdb -l /dev/gpt/diskX' for
> each of the disks.  These could be uploaded somewhere as they can be quite 
> lengthy.


Please download and view files:

http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/disk0.txt
http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/disk2.txt
http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/disk3.txt

http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/zdb_CC_zsolar.txt
http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/gpart_show.txt
http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/gpart_show_label.txt

http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_004.jpg
http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_005.jpg
http://tor.reactor-xg.kiev.ua/files/zfs/20121120_006.jpg




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Re: Upgrading FreeBSD to use the NEW pf syntax. (Copied from freebsd-pf)

2012-11-20 Thread Olivier Smedts
2012/11/20 Paul Webster :
> I am aware this is a much discussed subject since the upgrade of PF, I
> believe the final decision was that to many users are used to the old
> style pf and an upgrade to the new syntax would cause to much confusion.

But a change like this is expected in a new major branch, ie.
10-CURRENT. Not so in -STABLE branches of course. I don't see the
problem here.

Cheers

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sluggish X.org/Xfce behavior

2012-11-20 Thread René Ladan
Hi,

since last weekend (November 17th) I have been noticing a sluggish
behavior of X.org/Xfce. Typical symptoms are:
- Alt-Tab not reacting all of the time
- pulldown/popup menus not allowing selections with mouse (typically in
Terminal/pidgin), or moving the mouse (touchpad) results in an automatic
click
- typing something in a Terminal requires mouse (touchpad) movements for
the text to show up
- sometimes moving the mouse (touchpad) is required for the laptop to
"wake up"; this is noticeable when Thunderbird downloads all messages
from the period when the laptop was "frozen".

I am running 10-amd64 r243234 (so with clang as cc) and ports 307851
without any local modifications. Since November 5 (when clang became cc)
I noticed x11/nvidia-driver and x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse were
updated but rebuilding those with gcc did not make any difference. Maybe
I missed a related port? All ports last updated before November 5th are
still built with gcc.

My /etc/make.conf and /etc/rc.conf are attached.

Has anyone else been noticing this?

Regards,
René



check_quotas="NO"
font8x14="iso15-8x14"
font8x16="iso15-8x16"
font8x8="iso15-8x8"
keymap="us.iso"
moused_enable="YES"
ipv6_activate_all_interfaces="YES"
nfs_client_enable="YES"
sshd_enable="YES"
powerd_enable="YES"
hostname="acer"
wlans_iwn0="wlan0"
ifconfig_wlan0="DHCP WPA"
ifconfig_bge0="DHCP"
ntpd_enable="YES"
dumpdev="AUTO"
linux_enable="YES"
dbus_enable="YES"
hald_enable="YES"
ddb_enable="YES"
webcamd_enable="YES"
CPUTYPE?=core2
DOC_LANG=en_US.ISO8859-1 nl_NL.ISO8859-1
PORTSDIR=/usr/ports/head
WITHOUT_PKGTOOLS=yes # no pkg_* stuff
WITH_VIM_OPTIONS=yes
KERNCONF=GENERIC
FORCE_MAKE_JOBS=yes

# added by use.perl 2012-10-16 09:21:05
PERL_VERSION=5.14.2
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Re: problem booting to multi-vdev root pool

2012-11-20 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 20/11/2012 10:57 Andrei Lavreniyuk said the following:
> Hi!
> 
> 
> My system:
> 
> # uname -a
> FreeBSD open.technica-03.local 10.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #0:
> Tue Oct 30 14:13:01 EET 2012
> root@open.technica-03.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP64R  amd64
> 
> 
> # zpool status -v
>   pool: zsolar
>  state: ONLINE
>   scan: resilvered 2,56M in 0h0m with 0 errors on Tue Nov 20 10:26:35 2012
> config:
> 
> NAME   STATE READ WRITE CKSUM
> zsolar ONLINE   0 0 0
>   raidz2-0 ONLINE   0 0 0
> gpt/disk0  ONLINE   0 0 0
> gpt/disk2  ONLINE   0 0 0
> gpt/disk3  ONLINE   0 0 0
> 
> errors: No known data errors
> 
> 
> Update source:
> 
> # svn info
> Path: .
> Working Copy Root Path: /usr/src
> URL: svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/head
> Repository Root: svn://svn.freebsd.org/base
> Repository UUID: ccf9f872-aa2e-dd11-9fc8-001c23d0bc1f
> Revision: 243278
> Node Kind: directory
> Schedule: normal
> Last Changed Author: avg
> Last Changed Rev: 243272
> Last Changed Date: 2012-11-19 13:35:56 +0200
> 
> 
> I used http://people.freebsd.org/~avg/zfs-spa-multi_vdev_root_support.diff
> 
> 
> buildworld + kernel
> 
> rm /boot/zfs/zpool.cache
> 
> 
> Reboot
> 
> 
> Mounting from zfs:zsolar failed with error 45

Are there any other unusual messages before this line?
Could you please try adding vfs.zfs.debug=1 to loader.conf and check again?

Could you also provide 'zdb -CC zsolar' output and 'zdb -l /dev/gpt/diskX' for
each of the disks.  These could be uploaded somewhere as they can be quite 
lengthy.

-- 
Andriy Gapon
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Re: problem booting to multi-vdev root pool

2012-11-20 Thread Andrei Lavreniyuk
Hi!


My system:

# uname -a
FreeBSD open.technica-03.local 10.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #0:
Tue Oct 30 14:13:01 EET 2012
root@open.technica-03.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP64R  amd64


# zpool status -v
  pool: zsolar
 state: ONLINE
  scan: resilvered 2,56M in 0h0m with 0 errors on Tue Nov 20 10:26:35 2012
config:

NAME   STATE READ WRITE CKSUM
zsolar ONLINE   0 0 0
  raidz2-0 ONLINE   0 0 0
gpt/disk0  ONLINE   0 0 0
gpt/disk2  ONLINE   0 0 0
gpt/disk3  ONLINE   0 0 0

errors: No known data errors


Update source:

# svn info
Path: .
Working Copy Root Path: /usr/src
URL: svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/head
Repository Root: svn://svn.freebsd.org/base
Repository UUID: ccf9f872-aa2e-dd11-9fc8-001c23d0bc1f
Revision: 243278
Node Kind: directory
Schedule: normal
Last Changed Author: avg
Last Changed Rev: 243272
Last Changed Date: 2012-11-19 13:35:56 +0200


I used http://people.freebsd.org/~avg/zfs-spa-multi_vdev_root_support.diff


buildworld + kernel

rm /boot/zfs/zpool.cache


Reboot


Mounting from zfs:zsolar failed with error 45





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Best regards, Andrei Lavreniyuk.
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