Re: CD/DVD ejecting after sysinstall
Randi Harper sek...@gmail.com writes: Rui Paulo rpa...@freebsd.org writes: You are correct. We should not be ejecting the CD without a prompt. If the commit is reverted, it should be explicitly noted in the code so that we don't do this mistake again. That's a judgement call, not an absolute. I think what we are doing isn't a problem for 99.999% of use cases. On the rare occasions where I use sysinstall, I usually find that prompt annoying... but I almost broke a CD drive once by ejecting the tray with the enclosure's dust cover half closed. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CD/DVD ejecting after sysinstall
On Aug 20, 2010, at 14:21, Rui Paulo rpa...@freebsd.org wrote: On 20 Aug 2010, at 20:46, Jim Riggs wrote: References: http://www.mail-archive.com/svn-src-...@freebsd.org/msg24380.html http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=17126 This commit automatically ejects the CD when sysinstall exits which almost had dire consequences for me this week. As described in the forum post, I keep a LiveFS CD in all of my servers so that I can remotely diagnose and fix issues. I have done this for several years now, and it has saved my tail many times. However, I got a surprise when I tried it today with the new 8.1 LiveFS CDs I had just burned. After attempting to fix a problem from the LiveFS and rebooting back to the HD, the problem still existed. No problem. I just tried to boot back to the CD only to find that it was gone. Luckily, this was on a box in-house, so I was quickly able to see what was wrong. Now that I have the commit, I can roll my own patched sysinstall and CDs, but the question is: Should we be ejecting the media without any prompt? Obviously, for my use case, I liked the old behavior of just reminding the user to eject the media when rebooting. I understand that may not be optimal for some users. Can we present a dialog asking the user if they want the media to be ejected? That still leaves me at risk of selecting the wrong answer, I suppose. I would rather not have to roll my own LiveFS CDs every time, though. Thoughts from anyone else? (Please copy me on responses.) You are correct. We should not be ejecting the CD without a prompt. If the commit is reverted, it should be explicitly noted in the code so that we don't do this mistake again. Regards, -- Rui Paulo That's a judgement call, not an absolute. I think what we are doing isn't a problem for 99.999% of use cases. -- randi___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CD/DVD ejecting after sysinstall
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Randi Harper sek...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 20, 2010, at 14:21, Rui Paulo rpa...@freebsd.org wrote: You are correct. We should not be ejecting the CD without a prompt. If the commit is reverted, it should be explicitly noted in the code so that we don't do this mistake again. Regards, -- Rui Paulo That's a judgement call, not an absolute. I think what we are doing isn't a problem for 99.999% of use cases. I think 99.999% is a bit high, as couple times during my FreeBSD usage this would have been a problem for me although is not currently an issue. I don't really know what problem this solves as it is unnecessary in 100% of use cases as far as I can tell. It's not that I don't appreciate the thought behind it, but this will be problem for others I imagine as well. It's a VERY big inconvenience sometimes to visit a datacenter when you thought you had a rock solid remote setup in place. In defense of the current behavior, you can get basically the same behavior by setting up a PXE boot system, but that is not always desirable or convenient. Also all KVM's don't give the option to remotely load ISO's. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
CD/DVD ejecting after sysinstall
References: http://www.mail-archive.com/svn-src-...@freebsd.org/msg24380.html http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=17126 This commit automatically ejects the CD when sysinstall exits which almost had dire consequences for me this week. As described in the forum post, I keep a LiveFS CD in all of my servers so that I can remotely diagnose and fix issues. I have done this for several years now, and it has saved my tail many times. However, I got a surprise when I tried it today with the new 8.1 LiveFS CDs I had just burned. After attempting to fix a problem from the LiveFS and rebooting back to the HD, the problem still existed. No problem. I just tried to boot back to the CD only to find that it was gone. Luckily, this was on a box in-house, so I was quickly able to see what was wrong. Now that I have the commit, I can roll my own patched sysinstall and CDs, but the question is: Should we be ejecting the media without any prompt? Obviously, for my use case, I liked the old behavior of just reminding the user to eject the media when rebooting. I understand that may not be optimal for some users. Can we present a dialog asking the user if they want the media to be ejected? That still leaves me at risk of selecting the wrong answer, I suppose. I would rather not have to roll my own LiveFS CDs every time, though. Thoughts from anyone else? (Please copy me on responses.) - Jim ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CD/DVD ejecting after sysinstall
On 20 Aug 2010, at 20:46, Jim Riggs wrote: References: http://www.mail-archive.com/svn-src-...@freebsd.org/msg24380.html http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=17126 This commit automatically ejects the CD when sysinstall exits which almost had dire consequences for me this week. As described in the forum post, I keep a LiveFS CD in all of my servers so that I can remotely diagnose and fix issues. I have done this for several years now, and it has saved my tail many times. However, I got a surprise when I tried it today with the new 8.1 LiveFS CDs I had just burned. After attempting to fix a problem from the LiveFS and rebooting back to the HD, the problem still existed. No problem. I just tried to boot back to the CD only to find that it was gone. Luckily, this was on a box in-house, so I was quickly able to see what was wrong. Now that I have the commit, I can roll my own patched sysinstall and CDs, but the question is: Should we be ejecting the media without any prompt? Obviously, for my use case, I liked the old behavior of just reminding the user to eject the media when rebooting. I understand that may not be optimal for some users. Can we present a dialog asking the user if they want the media to be ejected? That still leaves me at risk of selecting the wrong answer, I suppose. I would rather not have to roll my own LiveFS CDs every time, though. Thoughts from anyone else? (Please copy me on responses.) You are correct. We should not be ejecting the CD without a prompt. If the commit is reverted, it should be explicitly noted in the code so that we don't do this mistake again. Regards, -- Rui Paulo ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
