Re: NICs not in GENERIC
Quoting Scott Long sco...@samsco.org (from Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:42:39 -0700): On Feb 22, 2012, at 1:22 AM, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Quoting Scott Long sco...@samsco.org (from Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:45:04 -0700): On Feb 21, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Hi, is there a specific reason that the following NICs are not (or shall not be) in GENERIC (at least on i386)? - if_cas: is compiled as a module, Sun hardware, non-x86 only? - if_gem: is compiled as a module, Apple/Sun, non-x86 only? - if_hme: is compiled as a module, Sun hardware, non-x86 only? If these aren't for i386 hardware, then why would they need to be in the i386 GENERIC profile? I didn't told they aren't for i386 (Sun and Apple produce(d) x86 hardware). If they would have been non-x86 drivers (I assume you've seen the answer from Marius), the bug would have been that they are build as modules on x86. Let it go. Can you please rephrase this for a non-native english speaker please? I don't understand what is the subject of your message. Do you ask to not include those 3 into GENERIC, or do you ask to forget you asked initially? Bye, Alexander. -- Every time I look at you I am more convinced of Darwin's theory. http://www.Leidinger.netAlexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137 ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NICs not in GENERIC
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 03:56:56PM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Hi, is there a specific reason that the following NICs are not (or shall not be) in GENERIC (at least on i386)? No specific reason for these two: - if_cxgb - if_cxgbe But I do prefer to load them as modules (and as late as possible -- after sysctl.conf has been processed and any nmbclusters, nmbjumboXX settings have taken affect). Other than root over NFS, is there any reason to have NIC drivers in GENERIC? even with root over NFS (aka diskless/dataless) you can load the nic module via loader.conf. Regards, Navdeep ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NICs not in GENERIC
Quoting Scott Long sco...@samsco.org (from Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:45:04 -0700): On Feb 21, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Hi, is there a specific reason that the following NICs are not (or shall not be) in GENERIC (at least on i386)? - if_cas: is compiled as a module, Sun hardware, non-x86 only? - if_gem: is compiled as a module, Apple/Sun, non-x86 only? - if_hme: is compiled as a module, Sun hardware, non-x86 only? If these aren't for i386 hardware, then why would they need to be in the i386 GENERIC profile? I didn't told they aren't for i386 (Sun and Apple produce(d) x86 hardware). If they would have been non-x86 drivers (I assume you've seen the answer from Marius), the bug would have been that they are build as modules on x86. Bye, Alexander. -- Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist ought to have his head examined. -- Samuel Goldwyn http://www.Leidinger.netAlexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137 ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NICs not in GENERIC
Quoting Navdeep Parhar n...@freebsd.org (from Wed, 22 Feb 2012 01:55:40 +): On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 05:44:01PM -0700, Scott Long wrote: On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Navdeep Parhar wrote: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 03:56:56PM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Hi, is there a specific reason that the following NICs are not (or shall not be) in GENERIC (at least on i386)? No specific reason for these two: - if_cxgb - if_cxgbe But I do prefer to load them as modules (and as late as possible -- after sysctl.conf has been processed and any nmbclusters, nmbjumboXX settings have taken affect). Other than root over NFS, is there any reason to have NIC drivers in GENERIC? GENERIC is the kernel profile that's used during installation, and the installer (at one point in time) supported installing over NFS and FTP. If the installer itself can come up without the NIC driver it should be able to load any NIC driver KLD it wants and then reach the install media (NFS, FTP, etc.) over the network. Or is it that the installer's root fs didn't have any KLDs back then? Do we have support for that in our installer? Anyway, the case where a cxgb* NIC is the only or preferred NIC (no idea if such systems exist) and the admin wants to net-boot into the installer is an use-case we should not overlook. BTW: I prefer to load a lot via modules myself, and I want to get a modular kernel config into FreeBSD. The work on the modular kernel config let me discover those NICs which are not in GENERIC. Apart from that only WAN/leased-line/pseudo-NICs and 2 wireless drivers which need firmware from ports are not in GENERIC. Bye, Alexander. -- Bill Dickey is learning me his experience. -- Yogi Berra in his rookie season http://www.Leidinger.netAlexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137 ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NICs not in GENERIC
Quoting Marius Strobl mar...@alchemy.franken.de (from Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:42:52 +0100): On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 03:56:40PM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Hi, is there a specific reason that the following NICs are not (or shall not be) in GENERIC (at least on i386)? - if_cas: is compiled as a module, Sun hardware, non-x86 only? - if_cxgb - if_cxgbe - if_gem: is compiled as a module, Apple/Sun, non-x86 only? - if_hme: is compiled as a module, Sun hardware, non-x86 only? - if_ic: no man-page - if_ipheth: no man-page - if_mos: USB NIC - if_mxge - if_my - if_nxge - if_vtnet: virtual NIC for hypervisors As for cas(4), gem(4) and hme(4) the corresponding MACs also exist as add-on cards and these drivers work just fine on x86 (actually should do so on all architectures). Although some people also use or at least used these cards in x86 machines, I thought it still would be uncommon enough to put cards built for OFW machines into x86 ones to deliberately not add these drivers to the x86 GENERICs. Fell free to do so if you want though. The GENERIC kernel on i386 takes about 15 MB on disk. The modules for cas/gem/hme take about 115 KB. It does not look like this would hurt from a file size perspective, but would give the benefit of users of the GENERIC kernel to have those NICs work out of the box in the installer. Bye, Alexander. -- A person who has nothing looks at all there is and wants something. A person who has something looks at all there is and wants all the rest. http://www.Leidinger.netAlexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137 ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NICs not in GENERIC
On Feb 22, 2012, at 1:22 AM, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Quoting Scott Long sco...@samsco.org (from Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:45:04 -0700): On Feb 21, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Hi, is there a specific reason that the following NICs are not (or shall not be) in GENERIC (at least on i386)? - if_cas: is compiled as a module, Sun hardware, non-x86 only? - if_gem: is compiled as a module, Apple/Sun, non-x86 only? - if_hme: is compiled as a module, Sun hardware, non-x86 only? If these aren't for i386 hardware, then why would they need to be in the i386 GENERIC profile? I didn't told they aren't for i386 (Sun and Apple produce(d) x86 hardware). If they would have been non-x86 drivers (I assume you've seen the answer from Marius), the bug would have been that they are build as modules on x86. Let it go. Scott ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
NICs not in GENERIC
Hi, is there a specific reason that the following NICs are not (or shall not be) in GENERIC (at least on i386)? - if_cas: is compiled as a module, Sun hardware, non-x86 only? - if_cxgb - if_cxgbe - if_gem: is compiled as a module, Apple/Sun, non-x86 only? - if_hme: is compiled as a module, Sun hardware, non-x86 only? - if_ic: no man-page - if_ipheth: no man-page - if_mos: USB NIC - if_mxge - if_my - if_nxge - if_vtnet: virtual NIC for hypervisors Bye, Alexander. -- Progress might have been all right once, but it's gone on too long. -- Ogden Nash http://www.Leidinger.netAlexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137 ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NICs not in GENERIC
On 02/21/12 09:56, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Hi, is there a specific reason that the following NICs are not (or shall not be) in GENERIC (at least on i386)? - if_mxge Speaking for mxge, it requires the better part of 1MB worth of firmware files, and it is a rather uncommon device. I never added it to GENERIC because I was trying to avoid bloating the kernel. It works just fine as a module. Drew ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NICs not in GENERIC
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 03:56:56PM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Hi, is there a specific reason that the following NICs are not (or shall not be) in GENERIC (at least on i386)? No specific reason for these two: - if_cxgb - if_cxgbe But I do prefer to load them as modules (and as late as possible -- after sysctl.conf has been processed and any nmbclusters, nmbjumboXX settings have taken affect). Other than root over NFS, is there any reason to have NIC drivers in GENERIC? Regards, Navdeep ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NICs not in GENERIC
On Feb 21, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Hi, is there a specific reason that the following NICs are not (or shall not be) in GENERIC (at least on i386)? - if_cas: is compiled as a module, Sun hardware, non-x86 only? - if_gem: is compiled as a module, Apple/Sun, non-x86 only? - if_hme: is compiled as a module, Sun hardware, non-x86 only? If these aren't for i386 hardware, then why would they need to be in the i386 GENERIC profile? Scott ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NICs not in GENERIC
On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Navdeep Parhar wrote: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 03:56:56PM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Hi, is there a specific reason that the following NICs are not (or shall not be) in GENERIC (at least on i386)? No specific reason for these two: - if_cxgb - if_cxgbe But I do prefer to load them as modules (and as late as possible -- after sysctl.conf has been processed and any nmbclusters, nmbjumboXX settings have taken affect). Other than root over NFS, is there any reason to have NIC drivers in GENERIC? GENERIC is the kernel profile that's used during installation, and the installer (at one point in time) supported installing over NFS and FTP. GENERIC was also a good smoke test to see if FreeBSD would run on a newly purchased machine, since it included most drivers. Scott ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NICs not in GENERIC
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 03:56:56PM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Hi, is there a specific reason that the following NICs are not (or shall not be) in GENERIC (at least on i386)? - if_cas: is compiled as a module, Sun hardware, non-x86 only? - if_cxgb - if_cxgbe Last time I tried cas(4) on i386, it worked without problems and I think all Sun add-on cards would work. However as Scott said, it would be rare to see these Sun controllers on x86 world. - if_gem: is compiled as a module, Apple/Sun, non-x86 only? - if_hme: is compiled as a module, Sun hardware, non-x86 only? - if_ic: no man-page - if_ipheth: no man-page - if_mos: USB NIC - if_mxge - if_my - if_nxge - if_vtnet: virtual NIC for hypervisors Bye, Alexander. -- Progress might have been all right once, but it's gone on too long. -- Ogden Nash http://www.Leidinger.netAlexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137 ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NICs not in GENERIC
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 05:44:01PM -0700, Scott Long wrote: On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Navdeep Parhar wrote: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 03:56:56PM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Hi, is there a specific reason that the following NICs are not (or shall not be) in GENERIC (at least on i386)? No specific reason for these two: - if_cxgb - if_cxgbe But I do prefer to load them as modules (and as late as possible -- after sysctl.conf has been processed and any nmbclusters, nmbjumboXX settings have taken affect). Other than root over NFS, is there any reason to have NIC drivers in GENERIC? GENERIC is the kernel profile that's used during installation, and the installer (at one point in time) supported installing over NFS and FTP. If the installer itself can come up without the NIC driver it should be able to load any NIC driver KLD it wants and then reach the install media (NFS, FTP, etc.) over the network. Or is it that the installer's root fs didn't have any KLDs back then? Navdeep GENERIC was also a good smoke test to see if FreeBSD would run on a newly purchased machine, since it included most drivers. Scott ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
