Re: [hackers] Re: Realtek
An address that works. Without further knowledge of your laptop, it is impossible for me to say. You will have to find this out by trial and error. Some folks like 0xf800, others like 0x4 and one uses 0xd4000, but the last one I don't recommend. 0xf800 seems to work on my StinkPad (still can't get the serial port to work though). You have to enable it using the PS2 'DOS' command (the Windows one won't work, for whatever reason). Once it's probably enabled/configured, it acts like any other normal serial port. (It's a pain to get it working right, since it involves dozens of reboots in order to understand what exactly the configuration *should* be. From memory, it wasn't as obvious as it could have been.) Nate ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers] Re: Realtek
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) writes: : M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) writes: : : address wrong to not finding it at all (I believe it reports No : : station address in CIS!) and refusing to attach. : It always didn't find it, you just got lucky before. The no station : address in CIS means that it can't map the CIS. This means the 'it' : isn't dc, but rather 'cbb'. cbb's ability to map memory is kinda : flakey on some machines. You have one. You need to set : hw.cbb.start_memory to a value that makes your laptop happy. : : ...such as? An address that works. Without further knowledge of your laptop, it is impossible for me to say. You will have to find this out by trial and error. Some folks like 0xf800, others like 0x4 and one uses 0xd4000, but the last one I don't recommend. Warner ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers] Re: Realtek
M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An address that works. Without further knowledge of your laptop, it is impossible for me to say. You will have to find this out by trial and error. Some folks like 0xf800, others like 0x4 and one uses 0xd4000, but the last one I don't recommend. 0xf800 seems to work on my StinkPad (still can't get the serial port to work though). It still complains about an invalid BAR number: 27(06). Plenty of ACPI errors too, but I don't really expect much from an IBM laptop. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers] Re: Realtek
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) writes: : M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : An address that works. Without further knowledge of your laptop, it : is impossible for me to say. You will have to find this out by trial : and error. Some folks like 0xf800, others like 0x4 and : one uses 0xd4000, but the last one I don't recommend. : : 0xf800 seems to work on my StinkPad (still can't get the serial : port to work though). It still complains about an invalid BAR : number: 27(06). Plenty of ACPI errors too, but I don't really expect : much from an IBM laptop. Cool. I'm sorry you have to do these ugly hacks, and hope to get things working better soon. Maybe I should add a stinkpad to my wish list :-) Warner ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers] Re: Realtek
M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe I should add a stinkpad to my wish list :-) I'll trade you mine for a reasonably recent Dell or FujitsuSiemens laptop :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers] Re: Realtek
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Dag-Erling [iso-8859-1] Smørgrav wrote: 0xf800 seems to work on my StinkPad (still can't get the serial port to work though). It still complains about an invalid BAR number: 27(06). Plenty of ACPI errors too, but I don't really expect much from an IBM laptop. Thankfully, APM works great on the older Thinkpads. To enable the serial port you'll want to run the DOS 'ps2.exe' utility. You can use the 'smapi' kernel driver and the userland utility ftp://ftp.jurai.net/users/winter/smapi.tar.gz to see if its disabled (likely). I still haven't puzzled out how to enable the serial ports with my utility. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL| ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | For Great Justice! | ISO8802.5 4ever | ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers] Re: Realtek
Matthew N. Dodd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thankfully, APM works great on the older Thinkpads. for some definition of great which includes the APM BIOS suddenly deciding to suspend the laptop after 30 seconds even when the mains cord is plugged in. To enable the serial port you'll want to run the DOS 'ps2.exe' utility. I know. I did that. I get: sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0 port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 drq 3 on acpi0 sio0: type 8250 or not responding DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers] Re: Realtek
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Dag-Erling [iso-8859-1] Smørgrav wrote: for some definition of great which includes the APM BIOS suddenly deciding to suspend the laptop after 30 seconds even when the mains cord is plugged in. You've got a 600 series right? What model and bios revision? (Find out with the 'vpd' driver or go into the BIOS setup.) I know. I did that. I get: sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0 port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 drq 3 on acpi0 sio0: type 8250 or not responding It won't work at all with ACPI; don't use it. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL| ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | For Great Justice! | ISO8802.5 4ever | ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers] Re: Realtek
Matthew N. Dodd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What model and bios revision? (Find out with the 'vpd' driver or go into the BIOS setup.) Yep, a 600E (2645BG). I don't know exactly what BIOS version I have, but I kept it fairly up to date until a fellow committer who shall remain nameless ran off with the floppy about a year and a half ago. If there's any way to flash the BIOS from Windows, I can try that. Regarding vpd, some documentation (at least in NOTES) would be nice. I shouldn't have to RTFS to understand what you're talking about. It won't work at all with ACPI; don't use it. don't use ACPI or don't use sio? DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers] Re: Realtek
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Dag-Erling [iso-8859-1] Smørgrav wrote: Regarding vpd, some documentation (at least in NOTES) would be nice. I shouldn't have to RTFS to understand what you're talking about. Build /sys/modules/bios/vpd, install/load it, read the kernel output. It also provides all the information via sysctl: # sysctl hw.vpd hw.vpd.machine.type.0: 2645 hw.vpd.machine.model.0: 8BU hw.vpd.build_id.0: INET36WW hw.vpd.serial.box.0: 78PLGM9 hw.vpd.serial.planar.0: J1B369624W5 It won't work at all with ACPI; don't use it. don't use ACPI or don't use sio? Don't use ACPI. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL| ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | For Great Justice! | ISO8802.5 4ever | ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers] Re: Realtek
M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) writes: : address wrong to not finding it at all (I believe it reports No : station address in CIS!) and refusing to attach. It always didn't find it, you just got lucky before. The no station address in CIS means that it can't map the CIS. This means the 'it' isn't dc, but rather 'cbb'. cbb's ability to map memory is kinda flakey on some machines. You have one. You need to set hw.cbb.start_memory to a value that makes your laptop happy. ...such as? DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers] Re: Realtek
On Wednesday 26 March 2003 16:03, David Gilbert wrote: Given the price of this card ... and the fact that less-than-400Mhz CPU's are rather rare, and that this is only an issue for high bandwidth applications ... the rl cards might fit for you. Given the price of the card, you can almost always find a better one at roughly the same price. For instance, this one: dc0: Intel 21143 10/100BaseTX port 0xd800-0xd87f mem 0xf300-0xf30003ff irq 7 at device 11.0 on pci0 was FREE last Christmas, from Office Depot. It's a Belkin branded card and normally sells for $10 (at TigerDirect.com). -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers] Re: Realtek
David Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But ... I'm not sure that their performance is largely better than the rl's. The driver writer for the rl maligns the card in comments for requiring alignment (and thus copying). There are far worse hacks in the dc code ... with the comment that some dc implementations are worse than others. Not to mention the fact that over the past year or so people have been repeatedly picking the dc driver apart and putting it back together with some bits missing, so for some cards it has gone from working perfectly, to getting the MAC address wrong but working fine after you manually set it, to plainly refusing to attach to the card. My laptop is now practically reduced to a doorstop since -STABLE doesn't have Cardbus support and -CURRENT refuses to attach to the NIC. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers] Re: Realtek
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) writes: : Not to mention the fact that over the past year or so people have been : repeatedly picking the dc driver apart and putting it back together : with some bits missing, so for some cards it has gone from working : perfectly, to getting the MAC address wrong but working fine after you : manually set it, to plainly refusing to attach to the card. My laptop : is now practically reduced to a doorstop since -STABLE doesn't have : Cardbus support and -CURRENT refuses to attach to the NIC. As far as I know, all the sizing and weirdness issues have been worked out with dc. Care to provide details on the card that isn't? Alternatively, wanna swap me one of my working cards for it? Warner ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers] Re: Realtek
M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) writes: : Not to mention the fact that over the past year or so people have been : repeatedly picking the dc driver apart and putting it back together : with some bits missing, so for some cards it has gone from working : perfectly, to getting the MAC address wrong but working fine after you : manually set it, to plainly refusing to attach to the card. My laptop : is now practically reduced to a doorstop since -STABLE doesn't have : Cardbus support and -CURRENT refuses to attach to the NIC. As far as I know, all the sizing and weirdness issues have been worked out with dc. Care to provide details on the card that isn't? It's an IBM branded Xircom card which used to work perfectly (except for some trouble with underruns which another nearly identical card didn't have... but I lost the dongle for that one). FRU 34L5309 if you want to look up the datasheet. About a year ago, subsequent to changes in the dc driver, -CURRENT started getting the MAC address wrong (but it would still attach, so I could set the correct MAC address manually). At some later point, some time between October 2002 and February 2003 (during which time I didn't run -CURRENT on the laptop due to insufficient disk space), it went from getting the MAC address wrong to not finding it at all (I believe it reports No station address in CIS!) and refusing to attach. I have a couple of 16-bit cards lying around, but oldcard couldn't even find the slots, let alone the cards I put in. I haven't tried 4.8 as it would be useless for me (I need the laptop for development work on -CURRENT). The only alternative left is SLIP, which would prevent me from using the laptop as a serial console since it only has one port - but it turns out 5.0-RELEASE is unable to use the serial port. That may be a BIOS problem though, the BIOS seems to regularly reset random configuration options (such as the IRDA, what IRDA? I don't need no stinking IRDA option) to factory defaults. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers] Re: Realtek
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) writes: : address wrong to not finding it at all (I believe it reports No : station address in CIS!) and refusing to attach. It always didn't find it, you just got lucky before. The no station address in CIS means that it can't map the CIS. This means the 'it' isn't dc, but rather 'cbb'. cbb's ability to map memory is kinda flakey on some machines. You have one. You need to set hw.cbb.start_memory to a value that makes your laptop happy. Yes, this sucks, but it is a symptom of the deeper problems with the dynamic allocation of resources in freebsd pci code. Warner ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers] Re: Realtek
Hi Kirill! That's a real myth about Realtek :0) We're using them on all our FreeBSD machines for over 5 years without any problems. Driver is working fine. Speed and reliability is OK. So I for one can even offer to choose them instead of 3COM as in Russia you can easily get 2 from the 3 3COM cards that is not 3COM indeed :0) Not so for cheap Realteks :0) Good luck David Gilbert wrote: Kirill == Kirill Ponomarew [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kirill Hi, On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 11:46:43AM -0300, Pablo Morales Kirill wrote: Someone said that the realtek 8029 and 8139 ethernet cards are the worst cards ever made. My boss is planning to make a great buy of this cards for a communication project ( the reasons is obius, the cost of this cards ) I'm trying to persuade him to by 3com ethernet cards, but I need technical information to demostrate him that it's not a good inversion to buy those kind of cards. Can someone give a good explanation of that or at least where can I find information about it? Kirill please read comments in /usr/src/sys/pci/if_rl.c It's worth noting that there's a scale to all this. The driver comments imply that the card will push 100Mb if you have enough power in the CPU ... defined as 400Mhz. Given the price of this card ... and the fact that less-than-400Mhz CPU's are rather rare, and that this is only an issue for high bandwidth applications ... the rl cards might fit for you. We use them extensively in workstations... even diskless. The reason being that with modern processors, they perform adequately ... and although they take up extra CPU ... CPUs are rather under-utilized resources in most workstations. Dave. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
