Re: DotNet Core on FreeBSD
Does anyone here run Unity? Unity is a very popular gaming engine that is cross platform and provides a C# API. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(game_engine) https://mellinoe.wordpress.com/2017/01/18/net-core-game-engine/ Kaboom! (Head exploded again. This is getting messy) Russ On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Russell Haley wrote: > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Russell Haley wrote: >> Hey Marcin, >> >> So I just read the Contribution License Agreement and I didn't see >> anything untoward. >> >> https://cla2.dotnetfoundation.org/cladoc/net-foundation-contribution-license-agreement.pdf >> >> Just remember all these projects are MIT, Apache 2 or CC license. I >> think bringing this code into FreeBSD is a bonkers good idea. (Kaboom! >> lolz). Especially if you think about how much proprietary code is out >> there on Windows that people will want to protect. A FreeNAS style >> management console would make FreeBSD a particularly attractive offer >> over GPL licensed OSes for companies to create appliance style systems >> (physical or virtual, a-la FreeNAS). Jails become yet another great >> way to distribute proprietary code. >> >> Sony PS 3&4, NetApp and now Nintendo Switch are all great examples of >> what you can do with FreeBSD in a proprietary system. >> >> Dot Net Core also opens up Arm based systems on FreeBSD in some ways >> because it's specifically designed do be modular. I don't think Mono >> has built on Arm for a long time and the performance of Mono has been >> a problem of note. >> >> Russ > > I'm trying to perform due diligence because I want to throw some time > into this. Avoiding GPL and other encumbering licenses is important to > me. I had to know myself so I made this list of licenses: > > https://github.com/dotnet/csharplang - Microsoft > https://github.com/dotnet/cli - > https://www.microsoft.com/net/dotnet_library_license.htm > > https://github.com/dotnet/source-build - MIT > https://github.com/dotnet/core-setup - MIT > https://github.com/dotnet/corefx - MIT > https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr - MIT > https://github.com/dotnet/sdk - MIT > https://github.com/dotnet/dotnet-docker - MIT > https://github.com/dotnet/standard - MIT > https://github.com/dotnet/sdk - MIT > https://github.com/dotnet/netcorecli-fsc - MIT > > https://github.com/nuget/home - A2 > https://github.com/aspnet/home - A2 > https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn - A2 > > https://github.com/aspnet/Docs - CC > https://github.com/dotnet/docs - CC > > Russ > >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Russell Haley wrote: >>> Sorry for the top post, >>> >>> Marcin, can you expand on your thoughts about the contributor license? This >>> has been one of the concerns of mine (part of the pedanticism). I didn't >>> get a chance to read the doc itself yet. >>> >>> Russ >>> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Virgin Mobile network. >>> Original Message >>> From: Marcin Cieslak >>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:13 AM >>> To: Russell Haley >>> Cc: David Naylor; Geoffrey Huntley; Freebsd-mono; >>> freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org; freebsd-po...@freebsd.org >>> Subject: Re: DotNet Core on FreeBSD >>> >>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Russell Haley wrote: >>> Hey guys, I am talking to Karel and Tomas at Microsoft's DotNet Core Team about putting together a "proposal" for community involvement, which will be followed by more information on this list. Most of the talk has been me blowing air and being pedantic about nothing (I get excited and type alot). >>> >>> I was tinkering around FreeBSD support when dotnet core was first published. >>> Stack unwinding for exceptions was very hacky at the time, and there were >>> some unnecessary discussions about how to implement some FreeBSD sepecific >>> sysctl's. I got a bit frustrated with that (a whole porting effort is about >>> coercing Unix to offer part of Win32 APIs). >>> >>> It was somewhat running on FreeBSD natively back then, haven't checked >>> recently. >>> >>> I have also decided not to sign their bad contributor agreement >>> and some of the sysctl code I decided to put in mono instead :) >>> >>> Marcin >>> saper on github ___ freebsd-mono@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mono To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mono-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: DotNet Core on FreeBSD
On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Russell Haley wrote: > Hey Marcin, > > So I just read the Contribution License Agreement and I didn't see > anything untoward. > > https://cla2.dotnetfoundation.org/cladoc/net-foundation-contribution-license-agreement.pdf > > Just remember all these projects are MIT, Apache 2 or CC license. I > think bringing this code into FreeBSD is a bonkers good idea. (Kaboom! > lolz). Especially if you think about how much proprietary code is out > there on Windows that people will want to protect. A FreeNAS style > management console would make FreeBSD a particularly attractive offer > over GPL licensed OSes for companies to create appliance style systems > (physical or virtual, a-la FreeNAS). Jails become yet another great > way to distribute proprietary code. > > Sony PS 3&4, NetApp and now Nintendo Switch are all great examples of > what you can do with FreeBSD in a proprietary system. > > Dot Net Core also opens up Arm based systems on FreeBSD in some ways > because it's specifically designed do be modular. I don't think Mono > has built on Arm for a long time and the performance of Mono has been > a problem of note. > > Russ I'm trying to perform due diligence because I want to throw some time into this. Avoiding GPL and other encumbering licenses is important to me. I had to know myself so I made this list of licenses: https://github.com/dotnet/csharplang - Microsoft https://github.com/dotnet/cli - https://www.microsoft.com/net/dotnet_library_license.htm https://github.com/dotnet/source-build - MIT https://github.com/dotnet/core-setup - MIT https://github.com/dotnet/corefx - MIT https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr - MIT https://github.com/dotnet/sdk - MIT https://github.com/dotnet/dotnet-docker - MIT https://github.com/dotnet/standard - MIT https://github.com/dotnet/sdk - MIT https://github.com/dotnet/netcorecli-fsc - MIT https://github.com/nuget/home - A2 https://github.com/aspnet/home - A2 https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn - A2 https://github.com/aspnet/Docs - CC https://github.com/dotnet/docs - CC Russ > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Russell Haley wrote: >> Sorry for the top post, >> >> Marcin, can you expand on your thoughts about the contributor license? This >> has been one of the concerns of mine (part of the pedanticism). I didn't >> get a chance to read the doc itself yet. >> >> Russ >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Virgin Mobile network. >> Original Message >> From: Marcin Cieslak >> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:13 AM >> To: Russell Haley >> Cc: David Naylor; Geoffrey Huntley; Freebsd-mono; >> freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org; freebsd-po...@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: DotNet Core on FreeBSD >> >> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Russell Haley wrote: >> >>> Hey guys, >>> >>> I am talking to Karel and Tomas at Microsoft's DotNet Core Team about >>> putting together a "proposal" for community involvement, which will be >>> followed by more information on this list. Most of the talk has been >>> me blowing air and being pedantic about nothing (I get excited and >>> type alot). >> >> I was tinkering around FreeBSD support when dotnet core was first published. >> Stack unwinding for exceptions was very hacky at the time, and there were >> some unnecessary discussions about how to implement some FreeBSD sepecific >> sysctl's. I got a bit frustrated with that (a whole porting effort is about >> coercing Unix to offer part of Win32 APIs). >> >> It was somewhat running on FreeBSD natively back then, haven't checked >> recently. >> >> I have also decided not to sign their bad contributor agreement >> and some of the sysctl code I decided to put in mono instead :) >> >> Marcin >> saper on github ___ freebsd-mono@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mono To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mono-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: DotNet Core on FreeBSD
Hey Marcin, So I just read the Contribution License Agreement and I didn't see anything untoward. https://cla2.dotnetfoundation.org/cladoc/net-foundation-contribution-license-agreement.pdf Just remember all these projects are MIT, Apache 2 or CC license. I think bringing this code into FreeBSD is a bonkers good idea. (Kaboom! lolz). Especially if you think about how much proprietary code is out there on Windows that people will want to protect. A FreeNAS style management console would make FreeBSD a particularly attractive offer over GPL licensed OSes for companies to create appliance style systems (physical or virtual, a-la FreeNAS). Jails become yet another great way to distribute proprietary code. Sony PS 3&4, NetApp and now Nintendo Switch are all great examples of what you can do with FreeBSD in a proprietary system. Dot Net Core also opens up Arm based systems on FreeBSD in some ways because it's specifically designed do be modular. I don't think Mono has built on Arm for a long time and the performance of Mono has been a problem of note. Russ On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Russell Haley wrote: > Sorry for the top post, > > Marcin, can you expand on your thoughts about the contributor license? This > has been one of the concerns of mine (part of the pedanticism). I didn't get > a chance to read the doc itself yet. > > Russ > > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Virgin Mobile network. > Original Message > From: Marcin Cieslak > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:13 AM > To: Russell Haley > Cc: David Naylor; Geoffrey Huntley; Freebsd-mono; > freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org; freebsd-po...@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: DotNet Core on FreeBSD > > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Russell Haley wrote: > >> Hey guys, >> >> I am talking to Karel and Tomas at Microsoft's DotNet Core Team about >> putting together a "proposal" for community involvement, which will be >> followed by more information on this list. Most of the talk has been >> me blowing air and being pedantic about nothing (I get excited and >> type alot). > > I was tinkering around FreeBSD support when dotnet core was first published. > Stack unwinding for exceptions was very hacky at the time, and there were > some unnecessary discussions about how to implement some FreeBSD sepecific > sysctl's. I got a bit frustrated with that (a whole porting effort is about > coercing Unix to offer part of Win32 APIs). > > It was somewhat running on FreeBSD natively back then, haven't checked > recently. > > I have also decided not to sign their bad contributor agreement > and some of the sysctl code I decided to put in mono instead :) > > Marcin > saper on github ___ freebsd-mono@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mono To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mono-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: DotNet Core on FreeBSD
Sorry for the top post, Marcin, can you expand on your thoughts about the contributor license? This has been one of the concerns of mine (part of the pedanticism). I didn't get a chance to read the doc itself yet. Russ Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Virgin Mobile network. Original Message From: Marcin Cieslak Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:13 AM To: Russell Haley Cc: David Naylor; Geoffrey Huntley; Freebsd-mono; freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org; freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DotNet Core on FreeBSD On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Russell Haley wrote: > Hey guys, > > I am talking to Karel and Tomas at Microsoft's DotNet Core Team about > putting together a "proposal" for community involvement, which will be > followed by more information on this list. Most of the talk has been > me blowing air and being pedantic about nothing (I get excited and > type alot). I was tinkering around FreeBSD support when dotnet core was first published. Stack unwinding for exceptions was very hacky at the time, and there were some unnecessary discussions about how to implement some FreeBSD sepecific sysctl's. I got a bit frustrated with that (a whole porting effort is about coercing Unix to offer part of Win32 APIs). It was somewhat running on FreeBSD natively back then, haven't checked recently. I have also decided not to sign their bad contributor agreement and some of the sysctl code I decided to put in mono instead :) Marcin saper on github ___ freebsd-mono@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mono To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mono-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Update on porting mono 5
On Fri, Sep 08, 2017 at 04:35:36PM -0700, Russell Haley wrote: > Thanks for that Romain! I suppose I was more being philosophical then > literal (and a little silly). If the pkg repository server where the > package was built is using the exact same sources, OS version and > dependencies as I would use from Ports, IS it a binary? Your (perfect) > response clearly shows the answer is yes, but I was trying to have > some fun with that idea. In fact, it's the rather large problem of "reproductible builds" [1] which is embrassed by many projects [2]. I just discovered FreeBSD even has a Mailing-List dedicated to this topic [3]. While the archive seems to say no essage where posted, I guess a few folks are subscribed, and adding this list to the discussion might be a good idea? References: 1. https://reproducible-builds.org/ 2. https://reproducible-builds.org/who/ 3. https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-reproducibility -- Romain Tartière http://people.FreeBSD.org/~romain/ pgp: 8234 9A78 E7C0 B807 0B59 80FF BA4D 1D95 5112 336F (ID: 0x5112336F) (plain text =non-HTML= PGP/GPG encrypted/signed e-mail much appreciated) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: DotNet Core on FreeBSD
On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Russell Haley wrote: > Hey guys, > > I am talking to Karel and Tomas at Microsoft's DotNet Core Team about > putting together a "proposal" for community involvement, which will be > followed by more information on this list. Most of the talk has been > me blowing air and being pedantic about nothing (I get excited and > type alot). I was tinkering around FreeBSD support when dotnet core was first published. Stack unwinding for exceptions was very hacky at the time, and there were some unnecessary discussions about how to implement some FreeBSD sepecific sysctl's. I got a bit frustrated with that (a whole porting effort is about coercing Unix to offer part of Win32 APIs). It was somewhat running on FreeBSD natively back then, haven't checked recently. I have also decided not to sign their bad contributor agreement and some of the sysctl code I decided to put in mono instead :) Marcin saper on github smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
DotNet Core on FreeBSD
Hey guys, I am talking to Karel and Tomas at Microsoft's DotNet Core Team about putting together a "proposal" for community involvement, which will be followed by more information on this list. Most of the talk has been me blowing air and being pedantic about nothing (I get excited and type alot). In terms of technical progress, the developer, Thomas, has said they have eliminated Linux Emulation in DotNet Core 2.0 and are running natively in FreeBSD, but the build is still a little ways off. I think this news is really exciting and I'm eager to port some software. Expect something to drop this coming week and a handover to the community. Cheers, Russ ___ freebsd-mono@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mono To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mono-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
