Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 16:24 -0500 schrieb Martin Cracauer: Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote on Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 09:43:21PM +0100: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Martin Cracauer wrote: If there is a serious question WRT it does run in the Linux emulator that would be easy enough to test, I can just NFS-mount one of my diskless Debians. Today I started an experiment: I created a jail as a clean build enviroment for OOo. Yet it has installed 145 dependencies and not even started building OOo. And that worked (building in a jail I mean). - Just for the records. Uli. I expected nothing less. The Java requirement is particularly annoying on FreeBSD. And all that do get a Powerpoint clone with drunker mouse pointer syndrome written in tcl... Martin ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
Lars Engels wrote: On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 08:46:38PM +0100, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Martin Cracauer wrote: So the verdict is to hunt down OpenOffice packages manually and install them so that portupgrade ignores them, then go from there. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8-stable/ seems to have what `portupgrade -P` should expect, right? So I wouldn't have to move from stable to release+sec. I wonder if people who succeed in building OOo (happens about twice a year to me) could put their packages on some kind of ftp server. From their mailing list I get the impression OOo-porting team could need all kind of help. There are already some builds (english and german) at http://wiki.bsdforen.de/anwendungen/openoffice_aus_inoffiziellen_paketen They're updated on a unregularly basis. That means you sometimes have to wait for a whole week after the port has been updated. ;) -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
Lars Engels wrote: On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 08:46:38PM +0100, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Martin Cracauer wrote: So the verdict is to hunt down OpenOffice packages manually and install them so that portupgrade ignores them, then go from there. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8-stable/ seems to have what `portupgrade -P` should expect, right? So I wouldn't have to move from stable to release+sec. I wonder if people who succeed in building OOo (happens about twice a year to me) could put their packages on some kind of ftp server. From their mailing list I get the impression OOo-porting team could need all kind of help. There are already some builds (english and german) at http://wiki.bsdforen.de/anwendungen/openoffice_aus_inoffiziellen_paketen Actually there are more packages on the FTP than the ones listed there. Some people don't update the wiki page after uploading a new package. -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: Martin Cracauer wrote: Doug Barton wrote on Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 01:58:57PM -0800: Are you saying there are binary packages for 8-stable? I thought I can only have them for -RELEASE? There have always been binary packages for the -stable branches. For example check out ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/. RELENG_8 will lift be out of binary ports, at least as far as portupgrade is concerned. Sorry, I don't understand that sentence. RELENG_8_0 will have emergency fixes AFAIK I'm sorry, that's not correct. RELENG_8_0 is a fixed point in time. The 8.0 -p1 security branch will be RELENG_8_1, etc. I do not agree on this one. RELENG_8_0 is the correct tag for following FreeBSD 8.0 with security fixes. RELENG_8_0_0_RELEASE on the other hand is fixed. RELENG_8_1 will be the branch for FreeBSD 8.1. -- chs, ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:45:05 -0800 Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: Martin Cracauer wrote: RELENG_8 will lift be out of binary ports, at least as far as portupgrade is concerned. Sorry, I don't understand that sentence. I would guess this should read will be left out of... Follows logically from his concern that there are no binary packages for -STABLE. --- Gary Jennejohn ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
Gary Jennejohn wrote on Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 04:31:48PM +0100: On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:45:05 -0800 Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: Martin Cracauer wrote: RELENG_8 will lift be out of binary ports, at least as far as portupgrade is concerned. Sorry, I don't understand that sentence. I would guess this should read will be left out of... Follows logically from his concern that there are no binary packages for -STABLE. Right. I meant going -stable will lift me out of binary ports [support]. So the verdict is to hunt down OpenOffice packages manually and install them so that portupgrade ignores them, then go from there. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8-stable/ seems to have what `portupgrade -P` should expect, right? So I wouldn't have to move from stable to release+sec. Martin -- %%% Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ FreeBSD - where you want to go, today. http://www.freebsd.org/ ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Martin Cracauer wrote: So the verdict is to hunt down OpenOffice packages manually and install them so that portupgrade ignores them, then go from there. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8-stable/ seems to have what `portupgrade -P` should expect, right? So I wouldn't have to move from stable to release+sec. I wonder if people who succeed in building OOo (happens about twice a year to me) could put their packages on some kind of ftp server. From their mailing list I get the impression OOo-porting team could need all kind of help. Greetings Uli. Martin -- %%% Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ FreeBSD - where you want to go, today. http://www.freebsd.org/ ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org | Peter Ulrich Kruppa | Wuppertal | Germany ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote on Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 08:46:38PM +0100: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Martin Cracauer wrote: So the verdict is to hunt down OpenOffice packages manually and install them so that portupgrade ignores them, then go from there. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8-stable/ seems to have what `portupgrade -P` should expect, right? So I wouldn't have to move from stable to release+sec. I wonder if people who succeed in building OOo (happens about twice a year to me) could put their packages on some kind of ftp server. From their mailing list I get the impression OOo-porting team could need all kind of help. Might be easier to just slam a Debian into a chroot. How do chroot and Linuxulator play together, anyway? Can I have a random-Linux in /compat/linux and then have a different one in /compat/linux/var/chroot/debian ? Alternatively I could just leave this poor notebook alone WRT building and run the same FreeBSD on one of my beefier machines to build binary packages and share the successes. Would probably involve two complete installations, one with a ports tree that only ever builds OO (and pulls in it's dependencies but nothing else). Martin -- %%% Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ FreeBSD - where you want to go, today. http://www.freebsd.org/ ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Martin Cracauer wrote: Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote on Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 08:46:38PM +0100: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Martin Cracauer wrote: So the verdict is to hunt down OpenOffice packages manually and install them so that portupgrade ignores them, then go from there. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8-stable/ seems to have what `portupgrade -P` should expect, right? So I wouldn't have to move from stable to release+sec. I wonder if people who succeed in building OOo (happens about twice a year to me) could put their packages on some kind of ftp server. From their mailing list I get the impression OOo-porting team could need all kind of help. Might be easier to just slam a Debian into a chroot. How do chroot and Linuxulator play together, anyway? Can I have a random-Linux in /compat/linux and then have a different one in /compat/linux/var/chroot/debian ? Alternatively I could just leave this poor notebook alone WRT building and run the same FreeBSD on one of my beefier machines to build binary packages and share the successes. Would probably involve two complete installations, one with a ports tree that only ever builds OO (and pulls in it's dependencies but nothing else). If you manage to install OOo in Linuxolator, please publish some kind of HOWTO... Today I started an experiment: I created a jail as a clean build enviroment for OOo. Yet it has installed 145 dependencies and not even started building OOo. Greetings Uli. Martin -- %%% Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ FreeBSD - where you want to go, today. http://www.freebsd.org/ | Peter Ulrich Kruppa | Wuppertal | Germany ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote on Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 09:43:21PM +0100: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Martin Cracauer wrote: Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote on Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 08:46:38PM +0100: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Martin Cracauer wrote: So the verdict is to hunt down OpenOffice packages manually and install them so that portupgrade ignores them, then go from there. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8-stable/ seems to have what `portupgrade -P` should expect, right? So I wouldn't have to move from stable to release+sec. I wonder if people who succeed in building OOo (happens about twice a year to me) could put their packages on some kind of ftp server. From their mailing list I get the impression OOo-porting team could need all kind of help. Might be easier to just slam a Debian into a chroot. How do chroot and Linuxulator play together, anyway? Can I have a random-Linux in /compat/linux and then have a different one in /compat/linux/var/chroot/debian ? Alternatively I could just leave this poor notebook alone WRT building and run the same FreeBSD on one of my beefier machines to build binary packages and share the successes. Would probably involve two complete installations, one with a ports tree that only ever builds OO (and pulls in it's dependencies but nothing else). If you manage to install OOo in Linuxolator, please publish some kind of HOWTO... If there is a serious question WRT it does run in the Linux emulator that would be easy enough to test, I can just NFS-mount one of my diskless Debians. Today I started an experiment: I created a jail as a clean build enviroment for OOo. Yet it has installed 145 dependencies and not even started building OOo. I expected nothing less. The Java requirement is particularly annoying on FreeBSD. And all that do get a Powerpoint clone with drunker mouse pointer syndrome written in tcl... Martin -- %%% Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ FreeBSD - where you want to go, today. http://www.freebsd.org/ ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 08:46:38PM +0100, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Martin Cracauer wrote: So the verdict is to hunt down OpenOffice packages manually and install them so that portupgrade ignores them, then go from there. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8-stable/ seems to have what `portupgrade -P` should expect, right? So I wouldn't have to move from stable to release+sec. I wonder if people who succeed in building OOo (happens about twice a year to me) could put their packages on some kind of ftp server. From their mailing list I get the impression OOo-porting team could need all kind of help. There are already some builds (english and german) at http://wiki.bsdforen.de/anwendungen/openoffice_aus_inoffiziellen_paketen They're updated on a unregularly basis. Cheers Lars pgp24RDPMrV4W.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
Martin Cracauer wrote: It's time to bite the bullet. My 1.3 GHz Pentium-M Notebook just can't keep up with the port building. I need OpenOffice and stuff and the party is really over at that point. I need something with binary packages. Do I understand that correctly if I run 8.0 release I get to have prebuilt binaries as recognized by portupgrade? Well, 8-release or 8-stable should both be fine for this purpose, for most packages, with portupgrade or portmaster. My understanding is that we've given up trying to produce packages for openoffice on all branches. What happens to the minor security updates? Can I follow TRELENG_8_0 and port portsupgrade recognize this as something that uses 8-release binary packages? RELENG_8_0 is _exactly_ 8.0-RELEASE, and will never change. If you want 8-stable, RELENG_8 is the way to go. Otherwise you will need to update the tag each time a new security branch is created. hth, Doug -- Improve the effectiveness of your Internet presence with a domain name makeover!http://SupersetSolutions.com/ Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
Doug Barton wrote on Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 01:58:57PM -0800: Martin Cracauer wrote: It's time to bite the bullet. My 1.3 GHz Pentium-M Notebook just can't keep up with the port building. I need OpenOffice and stuff and the party is really over at that point. I need something with binary packages. Do I understand that correctly if I run 8.0 release I get to have prebuilt binaries as recognized by portupgrade? Well, 8-release or 8-stable should both be fine for this purpose, for most packages, with portupgrade or portmaster. My understanding is that we've given up trying to produce packages for openoffice on all branches. Are you saying there are binary packages for 8-stable? I thought I can only have them for -RELEASE? What happens to the minor security updates? Can I follow TRELENG_8_0 and port portsupgrade recognize this as something that uses 8-release binary packages? RELENG_8_0 is _exactly_ 8.0-RELEASE, and will never change. If you want 8-stable, RELENG_8 is the way to go. Otherwise you will need to update the tag each time a new security branch is created. RELENG_8 will lift be out of binary ports, at least as far as portupgrade is concerned. RELENG_8_0 will have emergency fixes AFAIK and I was hoping that I could run that and make portupgrade to the right thing (recognize the binary packages a insert them appropriately). If we have binary packages for 8-stable and/or if I can coerce portupgrade to use 8-release packages on 8-stable that would be fine, too. Martin -- %%% Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ FreeBSD - where you want to go, today. http://www.freebsd.org/ ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote: Doug Barton wrote on Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 01:58:57PM -0800: Martin Cracauer wrote: It's time to bite the bullet. My 1.3 GHz Pentium-M Notebook just can't keep up with the port building. I need OpenOffice and stuff and the party is really over at that point. I need something with binary packages. Do I understand that correctly if I run 8.0 release I get to have prebuilt binaries as recognized by portupgrade? Well, 8-release or 8-stable should both be fine for this purpose, for most packages, with portupgrade or portmaster. My understanding is that we've given up trying to produce packages for openoffice on all branches. Are you saying there are binary packages for 8-stable? I thought I can only have them for -RELEASE? What happens to the minor security updates? Can I follow TRELENG_8_0 and port portsupgrade recognize this as something that uses 8-release binary packages? RELENG_8_0 is _exactly_ 8.0-RELEASE, and will never change. If you want 8-stable, RELENG_8 is the way to go. Otherwise you will need to update the tag each time a new security branch is created. RELENG_8 will lift be out of binary ports, at least as far as portupgrade is concerned. RELENG_8_0 will have emergency fixes AFAIK and I was hoping that I could run that and make portupgrade to the right thing (recognize the binary packages a insert them appropriately). If we have binary packages for 8-stable and/or if I can coerce portupgrade to use 8-release packages on 8-stable that would be fine, too. Have a read through the ports man page and the pkg_add man page. Pay attention to the PACKAGESITE environment variable. This variable tells pkg_add (and portupgrade, and portmaster) where to search for binary packages. By default, this is set to ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-X-release/Latest/ where X is the version of FreeBSD installed (7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 8.0, etc). All you have to do is change it to use packages-8-stable instead of packages-8.0-release, and it will search for, and install, binary packages that were built on 8-STABLE. Note: one should be using a release version that is as close to -STABLE as possible. IOW, the latest release on that branch (6.4 if you want 6-stable packages, 7.2 if you want 7-stable packages, 8.0 if you want 8-stable packages). That minimises the number and size of changes between -release and -stable, and will keep things running smoothly. -- Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
Martin Cracauer wrote: Doug Barton wrote on Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 01:58:57PM -0800: Are you saying there are binary packages for 8-stable? I thought I can only have them for -RELEASE? There have always been binary packages for the -stable branches. For example check out ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/. RELENG_8 will lift be out of binary ports, at least as far as portupgrade is concerned. Sorry, I don't understand that sentence. RELENG_8_0 will have emergency fixes AFAIK I'm sorry, that's not correct. RELENG_8_0 is a fixed point in time. The 8.0 -p1 security branch will be RELENG_8_1, etc. and I was hoping that I could run that and make portupgrade to the right thing (recognize the binary packages a insert them appropriately). If you run a -RELEASE portupgrade will stick to the packages created for the -RELEASE, and will never change. If you intend to follow the ports tree as it updates you should really be following FreeBSD stable, and portupgrade will do the right thing. If we have binary packages for 8-stable and/or if I can coerce portupgrade to use 8-release packages on 8-stable that would be fine, too. If you want 8-release packages, you don't have to do anything different, those packages will never change. hope this helps, Doug -- Improve the effectiveness of your Internet presence with a domain name makeover!http://SupersetSolutions.com/ Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Martin Cracauer wrote: Doug Barton wrote on Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 01:58:57PM -0800: Martin Cracauer wrote: It's time to bite the bullet. My 1.3 GHz Pentium-M Notebook just can't keep up with the port building. I need OpenOffice and stuff and the party is really over at that point. I need something with binary packages. Do I understand that correctly if I run 8.0 release I get to have prebuilt binaries as recognized by portupgrade? Well, 8-release or 8-stable should both be fine for this purpose, for most packages, with portupgrade or portmaster. My understanding is that we've given up trying to produce packages for openoffice on all branches. Are you saying there are binary packages for 8-stable? I thought I can only have them for -RELEASE? What happens to the minor security updates? Can I follow TRELENG_8_0 and port portsupgrade recognize this as something that uses 8-release binary packages? RELENG_8_0 is _exactly_ 8.0-RELEASE, and will never change. If you want 8-stable, RELENG_8 is the way to go. Otherwise you will need to update the tag each time a new security branch is created. RELENG_8 will lift be out of binary ports, at least as far as portupgrade is concerned. RELENG_8_0 will have emergency fixes AFAIK and I was hoping that I could run that and make portupgrade to the right thing (recognize the binary packages a insert them appropriately). If we have binary packages for 8-stable and/or if I can coerce portupgrade to use 8-release packages on 8-stable that would be fine, too. Martin Have a look at porting.openoffice.org/freebsd . You will find something that works for you. Greetings Uli. -- %%% Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ FreeBSD - where you want to go, today. http://www.freebsd.org/ ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org | Peter Ulrich Kruppa | Wuppertal | Germany ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com wrote: Have a read through the ports man page and the pkg_add man page. Pay attention to the PACKAGESITE environment variable. This variable tells pkg_add (and portupgrade, and portmaster) where to search for binary packages. By default, this is set to ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-X-release/Latest/ where X is the version of FreeBSD installed (7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 8.0, etc). All you have to do is change it to use packages-8-stable instead of packages-8.0-release, and it will search for, and install, binary packages that were built on 8-STABLE. Note: one should be using a release version that is as close to -STABLE as possible. IOW, the latest release on that branch (6.4 if you want 6-stable packages, 7.2 if you want 7-stable packages, 8.0 if you want 8-stable packages). That minimises the number and size of changes between -release and -stable, and will keep things running smoothly. Note 2: be sure to set the correct architecture as well. Change the i386 to amd64 if you have the 64-bit amd64/x86_64 version of FreeBSD installed. -- Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 01:58:57PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: Martin Cracauer wrote: It's time to bite the bullet. My 1.3 GHz Pentium-M Notebook just can't keep up with the port building. I need OpenOffice and stuff and the party is really over at that point. I need something with binary packages. Do I understand that correctly if I run 8.0 release I get to have prebuilt binaries as recognized by portupgrade? Well, 8-release or 8-stable should both be fine for this purpose, for most packages, with portupgrade or portmaster. My understanding is that we've given up trying to produce packages for openoffice on all branches. I'm sorry to say this, Doug, because I know you mean well, but this is not the first time you act as a spokeman for things you have no knowledge about and, again, get things wrong. Please stick to things you do know. Openoffice builds are attempted at all supported branches and platforms on each and every run. Unfortunately, they quite often fail due to several reasons, ranging from the code being quite large and complicated, and therefore very fragile, to too small hardware on some of the cluster nodes. The unfortunate end-result is therefore that finished packages are very sporadicaly available and the dedicated project mentioned in another reply in this thread is probably a better source, but we do use a large amount of resources to get those packages out there and have certainly not given up. -erwin -- Erwin Lansing http://droso.org Prediction is very difficult especially about the futureer...@freebsd.org pgpoi0Z4fNolZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 01:58:57PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: My understanding is that we've given up trying to produce packages for openoffice on all branches. I have no idea who told you this, but it is completely false. mcl ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
Mark Linimon wrote: On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 01:58:57PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: My understanding is that we've given up trying to produce packages for openoffice on all branches. I have no idea who told you this, but it is completely false. Forgetting what I've heard and who I've heard it from, let's look simply at the practical results. There have not been openoffice packages available on a consistent basis for years, and haven't been any at all that I've seen for the last several months, and I've been looking for them. Given that the problems with building openoffice packages are all well known, and haven't really changed in the last several years, the only rational conclusion is to assume that we've stopped trying. Which, by the way, is fine, I don't see openoffice packages as a rational use of (limited, valuable) project resources, particularly when other good alternatives exist. My interest was in letting Martin know that if he expected to find openoffice packages (which he mentioned specifically) that he wasn't going to, and I felt it only fair that he know that going in. Doug -- Improve the effectiveness of your Internet presence with a domain name makeover!http://SupersetSolutions.com/ Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
Erwin Lansing wrote: On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 01:58:57PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: Well, 8-release or 8-stable should both be fine for this purpose, for most packages, with portupgrade or portmaster. My understanding is that we've given up trying to produce packages for openoffice on all branches. I'm sorry to say this, Doug, because I know you mean well, but this is not the first time you act as a spokeman for things you have no knowledge about and, again, get things wrong. Please stick to things you do know. Maybe this is a translation problem, but when someone says, My understanding is ... that's exactly how it should be read. I'm not attempting to act as a spokesman for anything, nor did I claim to be, and I don't think anyone (including Martin) is going to mistake me for a member of portmgr. If you want to prove me wrong, get some packages up there, no one will be happier than me, since I've been looking for them for several months now. :) Doug -- Improve the effectiveness of your Internet presence with a domain name makeover!http://SupersetSolutions.com/ Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 11:37:00PM +0100, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Martin Cracauer wrote: Doug Barton wrote on Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 01:58:57PM -0800: Martin Cracauer wrote: It's time to bite the bullet. My 1.3 GHz Pentium-M Notebook just can't keep up with the port building. I need OpenOffice and stuff and the party is really over at that point. I need something with binary packages. Do I understand that correctly if I run 8.0 release I get to have prebuilt binaries as recognized by portupgrade? Well, 8-release or 8-stable should both be fine for this purpose, for most packages, with portupgrade or portmaster. My understanding is that we've given up trying to produce packages for openoffice on all branches. Are you saying there are binary packages for 8-stable? I thought I can only have them for -RELEASE? What happens to the minor security updates? Can I follow TRELENG_8_0 and port portsupgrade recognize this as something that uses 8-release binary packages? RELENG_8_0 is _exactly_ 8.0-RELEASE, and will never change. If you want 8-stable, RELENG_8 is the way to go. Otherwise you will need to update the tag each time a new security branch is created. RELENG_8 will lift be out of binary ports, at least as far as portupgrade is concerned. RELENG_8_0 will have emergency fixes AFAIK and I was hoping that I could run that and make portupgrade to the right thing (recognize the binary packages a insert them appropriately). If we have binary packages for 8-stable and/or if I can coerce portupgrade to use 8-release packages on 8-stable that would be fine, too. Martin Have a look at porting.openoffice.org/freebsd . You will find something that works for you. It depends on what you have. Say you have 8.0 i386 or even 7.2 i386. No binaries for you there then. John -- John Hay -- j...@meraka.csir.co.za / j...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Binary packages for releases and portupgrade
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, John Hay wrote: On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 11:37:00PM +0100, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Martin Cracauer wrote: Doug Barton wrote on Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 01:58:57PM -0800: Martin Cracauer wrote: It's time to bite the bullet. My 1.3 GHz Pentium-M Notebook just can't keep up with the port building. I need OpenOffice and stuff and the party is really over at that point. I need something with binary packages. Do I understand that correctly if I run 8.0 release I get to have prebuilt binaries as recognized by portupgrade? Well, 8-release or 8-stable should both be fine for this purpose, for most packages, with portupgrade or portmaster. My understanding is that we've given up trying to produce packages for openoffice on all branches. Are you saying there are binary packages for 8-stable? I thought I can only have them for -RELEASE? What happens to the minor security updates? Can I follow TRELENG_8_0 and port portsupgrade recognize this as something that uses 8-release binary packages? RELENG_8_0 is _exactly_ 8.0-RELEASE, and will never change. If you want 8-stable, RELENG_8 is the way to go. Otherwise you will need to update the tag each time a new security branch is created. RELENG_8 will lift be out of binary ports, at least as far as portupgrade is concerned. RELENG_8_0 will have emergency fixes AFAIK and I was hoping that I could run that and make portupgrade to the right thing (recognize the binary packages a insert them appropriately). If we have binary packages for 8-stable and/or if I can coerce portupgrade to use 8-release packages on 8-stable that would be fine, too. Martin Have a look at porting.openoffice.org/freebsd . You will find something that works for you. It depends on what you have. Say you have 8.0 i386 or even 7.2 i386. No binaries for you there then. I have to admit, I have got an amd64. But you might be able to run the 7.1 -STABLE version with misc/compat7 installed. Did you try? Greetings Uli John -- John Hay -- j...@meraka.csir.co.za / j...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org | Peter Ulrich Kruppa | Wuppertal | Germany ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
