date:20041027

 -Original Message-
 From: Micheal Patterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:23 AM
 To: Ted Mittelstaedt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

  I've seen the stuff with my own eyes.  It ain't pretty.

  If you think that administering a Windows server is so simple then
  answer the following test:

  How do you lock down an Exchange 5.5 server to prevent a spammer from
  using it as a relay.

  I know how to do it.  No, it does not involve grubbing around in the
  registry.  No it is not documented, either.  I know for a fact that
  it isn't because I was in the conference call
  where we had to do it, and the Microsoft support tech himself told us
  it wasn't documented.

 Are you referring to reconfiguring the IMC with:

 Reroute incoming SMTP mail, then in Routing Restrictions,  selecting
 Hosts and Clients with these IP addresses and leaving the data fields
 blank?

Yes, this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about - as this is
non-intuitive, and not documented in the help files.  Nor on the Microsoft
knowledge base, although now it may be.

 If that's the method that you're talking about, it's only non-documented
 within MS's help files. It's plastered all over the web. Do a search on
 google for MS exchange 5.5 open relay and just look at the info that you
 get. If that's the issue that you're discussing, someone in your admin
 section just cost the company the price for the trouble ticket
 for no reason
 because they didn't bother to look for it.

When this call took place was a number of years ago, the Exchange
servers that we are installing today are not 5.5.  This was right after
the open relaying with 5.5 began to become a serious problem - because
the UNIX servers had been rapidly switching off promiscious relaying
and the spammers were switching over to Exchange servers for relaying.

All those websites that your talking about started popping up AFTER
people like us started bitching at MS about this - and if I recall right,
you have to have one of the service packs loaded on Exchange for this
to even be in the IMC.  I don't remember if this went in as a result of
problems with spammers relaying through 5.5 or 5.0 though, it has been
some time since we dealt with one of these older servers.  5.5 doesen't
run correctly on Windows 2003 server after all.

 People in the type of network that I'm in, only use Windows for
 applications
 that require it's use. Telerad, Centricity, and various other medical
 software that requires MSSQL. All other applications here on my
 network are
 using FreeBSD from 4.9 to 5.3.7 or AIX.

 Oh, yes.. I've had my share of issues with Windows. Just as I've had with
 every other OS that I've used. I also know how to use login
 restrictions to
 force users out of the network so that the backups can occur to reduce the
 amount of open file skips as well.

That is a fine idea except that SQL manager keeps the database file
open so all your doing is -reducing- as you say, the number of open
files.  It doesen't work for exchange either.

And yes, there are of course ways around these problems, you can write a
script to shut down exchange, run your backup, then bring it back up,
if you want to use the free backup included with Windows and not have
to pay thousands for veritos.

But I never said it's not possible to DO these kinds of things under
Windows.  What I said is that administering Windows is as complex as
administering UNIX.  And by the time you get done writing your scripts
and such for Windows to make it usable, well there you go.  Complexity.

   The human race as a whole, is always looking for something to
 make doing
   something easier for them. That's what drives our desire to
 contstantly
   design new technology.

  Hate to wake you with the clue phone but WE don't design new technology.
  The people who design new technology are the companies that produce
  it.  And they have agendas OTHER than just making your life easier.
  Such as making money.  Why do you think that there's a new version of
  Microsoft Word every couple years?  Can you tell me with a straight
  face that each new version of Word has made it easier to type a
  typical business letter?

 Clue phone? How about letting me smack you in the forhead with a clue bat.
 You speak about companies having other agendas. Yes, that's true.
 Pray tell,
 do answer the inevitable quesiton. How is it that companies, corporations
 and other big business are able to make that profit?

If they are in a competitive market they generally provide what the
customers want to buy.  Often that includes propagandizing the customers
into wanting the item in the first place - companies like Pepsi and
Coke are good at that - and sometimes it actually includes providing
things that the customers really do need and want.

But the rules change in a monopolistic market, they

RE: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:32 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 I said it takes a higher
 talent level to generally administer a un*x box than a windows
 box. I don't
 think that just because you can think of something thats not easy to do
 in windows makes any point at all. The fact that a un*x guy had
 to be called in to solve the problem says alot about the type of
 talent that
 is required to do most things that windows techs do.

Do you know how many new customers the ISP I work at has signed up over the
years who have had preexisting Exchange servers that were open relays?

ALL of them who had exchange servers were open!

Of course, we liked this, because several times the new customers came
to us bitching about our competitors who had the slowest Internet
connection in the world

Needless to say, scanning for an open relays on IP addresses we assign
to a new customer is SOP for us - we nip this in the bud right away.

And to top it off, once fixed, most of them still don't even make the
connection that their former ISP's internet connection wasn't the problem,
it was the hundred thousand spams a day they were sending out that was
making the connection slow.

So much for most windows techs

You may not, but I would consider that PROPERLY setting up a mailserver
is something that 'most windows techs' should be required to do who
choose to go buy exchange or whatever mailserver, and set it up.

Ted

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Re: Compiling PF and IPFW in the same kernel

2004-10-27 Thread Andrey Simonenko

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:46:53 +0100 in lucky.freebsd.questions, Alexandre Vieira wrote:

 Anyone knows if there is any problem in compiling ipfw and pf in the
 same kernel?
 Which one will be turned of by default? Or will they both be turned on?
 Will the default rule for PF be allow all ?
 

They both will work.

Just test it: let ipfw rules and pf rules to log information about
packets they catch and check which of them get a packet first.

According to netinet/ip_input.c:ip_input function ip_output.c:ip_output
function in 5.2.1 first are called PFIL_HOOKed firewalls, then ipfw is
called, in CURRENT it seems that all firewalls will use PFIL_HOOK.

In 5.x, see net/pfil.c:pfil_list_add function, last several lines
which add firewall hook to the incoming or the outgoing list will
explain which of PFIL_HOOKed firewalls will be called first for
incoming and outgoing directions.
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VPN questions

2004-10-27 Thread Erik Norgaard

Hi,

I am looking at how to implement VPN but I'm getting confused as to how
IPSec, IKE, OpenSSL, FreeSWAN, racoon etc. all fit into the picture. I
am looking at two scenarios, and I have two questions.

1) Standard IPSec tunnel:

 ++ IPSec/VPN ++
   LAN---| FW |---| FW |---LAN
 ++   ++

In this scenario: Can CARP/pf handle VPN/IPSec connections incase the
master unit fails? (I am assuming that both ends have fixed public
routable ip's).

2) VPN for mobile users

++VPN+-+
  LAN---| FW |---| FW? |---[mobile unit]
++   +-+

For mobile users I can't be sure where they are, their ip, or if they
are behind NAT/firewall, nor can I trust the network until the mobile unit.

IPSec breaks behind NAT, are there other altertives than ssh-tunnels I
should take a look at? (which? :-)

Thanks, Erik
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Re: Network speed mysteries

2004-10-27 Thread Matthew Seaman

On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:46:02PM +0400, Andrew P. wrote:

 Just an hour ago I decided to rebuild the file-server kernel - and it 
 takes time to build it there, as it's an old Celeron box with little 
 RAM. By coincidence, some files were being uploaded just when I entered 
 make buildkernel  I looked at FileZilla windows, expecting to see 
 the speed drop - but WOW! - the speed was at 7Mbytes/s!!! It then 
 hovered around 6.5-9Mbytes/s while the kernel was being built! I waited 
 for some minutes until the kernel was finally built - and the upload 
 speed dropped back to 2.5-3.5Mb/s. I couldn't believe it - and I still 
 can't - so I waited and built a kernel once more - with all the same 
 effects on speed! It's worth to mention, that when I was installing the 
 built kernel, the speed didn't change from usual 3Mb/s.
 
 Please let me know what the heck is going on - or just what you think 
 about it.

So, when the system is under load, the network throughput goes up?
That must be a timing issue to do with dealing with ACKs -- perhaps
the FreeBSD box just responds too fast for the other end, and loading
down the system delays things just long enough to get both ends into
sync.

What would be useful would be to use tcpdump(1) or ethereal(1) to
capture a sample of the network traffic in either situation and bring
this up on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list.  Note that running tcpdump itself
might affect the traffic in a similar way -- there's a thread on
freebsd-net which you might find interesting, starting here:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-net/2004-October/005368.html

I you do post to freebsd-net, including the output of 'ifconfig -a'
would be a good move.

Cheers,

Matthew

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RE: GPL vs BSD Licence

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:45 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: GPL vs BSD Licence

 In a message dated 10/26/04 2:32:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Actually a more interesting example is some of the Linksys routers
 do indeed use an embedded Linux along with Zebra as the routing engine.

 Ted
  Or Allot communications, who openly advertise the use of linux, but do 
 not make source available to an obviously modified kernel.. I 
 believe they 
 claim that the GPL is optional. 

Heh - didn't know about that one.  Why doesen't someone ask Linus when
he's going to sue over copyright infringement, next time he spouts
about the GPL.

This is yet another example of the GPL license flaw.  While any of the
copyright holders of the Linux kernel could sue Allot, if they don't,
it pretty much builds evidence that is going to help those that
would argue that the GPL is uninforceable.

There's been a couple of other GPL cases like this - of infringement
that is being ignored.  One of these days I'm going to have to gather
up all these and write an article on it.

Ted
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Re: FreeBSD and UPS's

2004-10-27 Thread Sandy Rutherford

Michael,

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 you wrote:

  I was just curious if FreeBSD supports any of the UPS's that have the 
  automated powerdown feature in the event of powerloss (APM)?

I'm using apcupsd with an APC Back-UPS Pro 650 under FreeBSD 4.10.  It
works great, including automatic powerdown.  There are some
configuration issues with FreeBSD, which I quote:

  In the FreeBSD OS, there is no known way for a user program to get
  control when all the disks are synced. This is needed for apcupsd to
  be able to issue the killpower command to the UPS so that the UPS
  shuts off the power. To accomplish the same thing on FreeBSD systems,
  make sure you have a SmartUPS and that your UPS shutdown grace period
  is set sufficiently long so that you system will power down (usually 2
  minutes), then use the kill-on-powerfail option on the apcupsd command
  line.

You use the command `apctest' to set the UPS shutdown grace period in
the UPS's EEPROM.  It was straightforward.

For smart UPS's with USB connections, I recall seeing some problems
reports on the apcupsd email list regarding FreeBSD.  However, my UPS
uses a serial connection, so I didn't pay much attention.

Sandy

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Firewall and nmap

2004-10-27 Thread Florian Hengstberger

Hi!

I'm compiled a Kernel using the GENERIC config-file that
comes with the default 5.2.1 installation adding support
for ipfw.
I tried to scan my computer with a linux machine running nmap,
but nmap tells me that the host seems to be down altough I was able
to ping the freebsd-host.
So I flushed all rools for the firewall with ipfw flush (the still
existing default rule enables all trafic because I compiled this in
my kernel, ipfw -c list told me that this is true.)
Anyway, nothing changes, all ports seem to be closed running nmap,
pings are successfull again!

1) What's wrong with my configuration?
2) I've tried to add all kernel options to this mail using the online
handbook from www.freeebsd.org. I realized that the firewall section
covers now the OpenBSD filter pf. What´s the state of the art?
How do I enable pf under 5.2.1 - package or port?
3) Is there something similar like nmap or is there a BSD-network scanner,
which usage is recommended?

Thanks in advance,
Florian

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RE: GPL vs BSD Licence

 -Original Message-
 From: Danny MacMillan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:24 AM
 To: Ted Mittelstaedt
 Cc: Graham Bentley; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: GPL vs BSD Licence

 I will preface my reply with the following disclaimer:  I am no
 lawyer.  However as it's clear that you're not either, it makes
 little practical difference.

 On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 01:51:02AM -0600, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

  ...

  What is ignored is that the GPL contains a loophole - it DOES allow
  itself to be violated by a very specific person - the code copyright
  holder.

 There is no violation.  The copyright holder is the licensor, not the
 licensee.  No one needs a license to use the materials to which she
 holds the copyright.  A license is used to grant (usually limited)
 rights to people who do not hold the copyright.  The copyright holder,
 by definition, has those rights and does not need them to be assigned.

It is a violation of the intent of the GPL license, not a legal violation
of copyright rights.  You are correct in that, I should have made this
more clear.

  The reason is that the GPL is a license that DOES NOT CHANGE the
  copyright.

 No license changes the copyright; see below.

  In short, if you apply the real live BSD license to your code, you
  are explicitly transferring your copyright to the Regents of the
  University of California.

 This is nonsense.  Copyright assignment and licensing are separate and
 discrete.  You certainly can assign your copyright to the Regents if you
 wish.  This has no doubt been done.  However, you can assign your
 copyright to anyone you wish, regardless of the license that is used.

No, not for the BSD license, if you are using the term BSD license
as it is understood by most people.  You do know what
the B in BSD stands for, right?

I didn't say the FreeBSD license or a BSD-like license.

Granted, from a legal perspective licensing and copyright assignment
are separate.  But, what the public understands as BSD licensed code
is just that - code licensed by Berkeley.  Copyright assignment to
UCB is implicit here.

Truthfully, the term BSD license is slang anyway.  You will note
on the following:

http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/index.html

that the FreeBSD project uses the legally correct term BSD Copyright.

 In fact, the instant you assign your copyright you no longer have the
 right to decide under what license the copyrighted material will be
 provided (if at all), although when assigning to the Regents BSD is
 a pretty safe bet.  Furthermore, licensing material under the BSD
 license does not imply that the copyright will be transferred to
 the Regents.  The copyright holder is identified at the top of the
 BSD license; this information is important as it identifies the
 licensor, one party to the agreement represented by the license.
 For material you wrote, you are the copyright holder unless and until
 you explicitly assign the copyright to another entity, or you're under
 some agreement with someone (with your employer, for example) that
 causes the copyright for the product of your work to belong to them.
 Identifying the Regents as the copyright holder at the top of a BSD
 license pertaining to material you wrote probably is legally
 sufficient to transfer the copyright to them, but you are not
 obligated to identify them as the copyright holder or relinquish
 your copyright just to use the BSD license.

 I refer you to the license itself:

 http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php

 Note the placeholder for owner.

You might consider that opensource.org is NOT a BSD site, it was
setup by Linux people not BSD people.  There has been little interest
from opensource.org in FreeBSD or anything other than Linux.  In
fact, they are so bigoted that Bruce Perens, who was one of the
founders of OSI, got completely disgusted with them and left.
Details of this were documented in an interview Bruce did for
the September 2001 issue of Linux Magazine, pages 35-38

You would get far better information about the BSD license from
a BSD-related site, like the FreeBSD link I supplied above.

 I fully expect you to argue that a BSD license that does not identify
 the Regents of the University of California is not the real live
 BSD license.  I would disagree.  By what criteria can an authentic
 BSD license be distinguished from lesser imitations?  I doubt that
 whether the Regents are the licensor are not is a criteria in common
 use -- see above web site, which is about as authoritative a
 reference as exists for free and open source licenses.  It's also
 instructive to peruse the source code for the ostensibly BSD-licensed
 FreeBSD operating system and see who holds the copyright.

I would argue this because it's true.  You saying that a BSD
license is the same thing as a BSD-like license is simply
false.  And FreeBSD already has made it's statements regarding
the source code copyright statements, as detailed on

Re: Firewall and nmap

2004-10-27 Thread Mark Frasa

On 2004.10.27 11:26:00 +, Florian Hengstberger wrote:
 Hi!
 
 I'm compiled a Kernel using the GENERIC config-file that
 comes with the default 5.2.1 installation adding support
 for ipfw.
 I tried to scan my computer with a linux machine running nmap,
 but nmap tells me that the host seems to be down altough I was able
 to ping the freebsd-host.
 So I flushed all rools for the firewall with ipfw flush (the still
 existing default rule enables all trafic because I compiled this in
 my kernel, ipfw -c list told me that this is true.)
 Anyway, nothing changes, all ports seem to be closed running nmap,
 pings are successfull again!
 
 1) What's wrong with my configuration?

Don't know yet, but what does ipfw show says? Maybe it enabled the /etc/rc.firewall?

 2) I've tried to add all kernel options to this mail using the online
 handbook from www.freeebsd.org. I realized that the firewall section
 covers now the OpenBSD filter pf. Whats the state of the art?
 How do I enable pf under 5.2.1 - package or port?

To enable PF put in your firewall:

options IPFILTER#ipfilter support

These can be put optionally:
options IPFILTER_LOG#ipfilter logging   
options IPFILTER_DEFAULT_BLOCK  #block all packets by default

I don't think you want the last one yet, so first comment it out.

 3) Is there something similar like nmap or is there a BSD-network scanner,
 which usage is recommended?

Dunno, i use nmap on my boxes as well. Works great.

 
 Thanks in advance,
 Florian
 

Your welcome.

Mark.

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RE: GPL vs BSD Licence

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gert Cuykens
 Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:59 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 If you buy a product what would you want ? A pretty box or pretty
 software ? Finishing the product is just marketing and trying to make
 a very pretty box to put the software in.

No, not exactly.  It's more than just a box and marketing.  It is
support also.

 When something is open
 source and you want to sell it you are forced to make it the best
 peace of code out there.

Or, you are forced to provide support for it.  Or both.

 Its what i call healthy competition. For me
 open source translates into If you think you can do better be my
 guest Finishing a product and making it closed source is just plain
 wrong. Its  like stealing from the church basket. Every body shares
 something and you want to take it and keep it for your self.

Perhaps this is true in some cases, but not all.

Take for example the development of the TCP/IP stack.   When BSD came
out with TCP/IP networking, there were a lot of companies that
finished it and then made their finished product closed-source.

But, if you think about it, this WASN'T a bad thing!  In fact, it
was a very good thing!  Because what this did is it created a situation
where practically all vendor's implementations of TCP/IP worked
very well with each other.  This of course, promoted the rapid
spread of TCP/IP, which gave UNIX a big leg up.

It is fair to say I think that if the Internet had been developed
around some other protocol than TCP/IP that was NOT native to
UNIX, that we would not see the prevalence of UNIX webservers on
the Internet that we do.

I think that in MOST cases, even the people that finish an open
source product then sell it and keep their mods to themselves,
they are contributing back to the open source.  Granted much less
than people who share.  But, the fact that the product exists at
all helps the open source package.

When Apple selected FreeBSD as the base for Darwin and MacOS X, it
gave a huge amount of legitimacy to FreeBSD.  Most of the major
FreeBSD developers went to work for Apple, as a matter of fact,
and while Apple didn't contribute a flood of code back into
FreeBSD, I am sure that a goodly amount of FreeBSD development
that we don't know about takes place on Apple company time.  But,
it helps because if you go in today to pitch a FreeBSD solution,
bringing up the Apple tie can help you to get the deal.  Also,
many MacOS users who graduated to MacOS X once they got over the
initial learning curve of the operating system, they have got more
interested in UNIX.  I would suspect that we will see some of
those folks start to make some contributions back to FreeBSD or
to UNIX software in general.

And of course, don't forget all the commercial software vendors
who were previously selling MacOS applications, now those folks
are porting or have ported their stuff to MacOS X.  It's a lot
easier to go from MacOX X to UNIX, then from MacOS Classic to
UNIX.

So, don't knock this kind of thing when you see it happen, just
keep in mind that there are always going to be some benefits, 
perhaps not just that visible.

Ted
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Re: First impressions of FreeBSD 5.3

2004-10-27 Thread Chris

On Tuesday 26 October 2004 06:31 pm, Jonathan T. Sage wrote:
 Gordon Freeman wrote:
  ipfstat doesn't run. The error:
  openkmem:open:no such file or directory

 device mem

 in your kernel config.  this bit me in the ass as well.

 ~j

Heh - I see they pushed the formal release back to Nov. 5
My 5.3-RELEASE runs just dandy

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Mozilla installation - XFree86 Makefile broken ?

2004-10-27 Thread Adrien Reboisson

Hi all !
I'm new to freeBSD and I've a question about mozilla installation.
I want to install mozilla. I use :
su
cd /usr/ports/www/mozilla
make
Files begin to be downloaded on my computer, all seems to be OK... But 
suddenly the process is stopped :

=== Configuring for XFree86-fontScalable-4.4.0_1
(cd /usr/ports/x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontScalable/work/xc/fonts/encodings  
imake -DUseInstalled -DProjectRoot=/usr/X11R6 -I/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config -DTOPDIR=../../.. 
-DCURDIR=.; make Makefiles ; make includes ; make depend)
Makefile, line 664: Missing dependency operator
Makefile, line 666: Missing dependency operator
Makefile, line 667: Missing dependency operator
Makefile, line 668: Missing dependency operator
Makefile, line 669: Missing dependency operator
Makefile, line 671: Missing dependency operator
make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontScalable.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/www/mozilla.
A makefile seems to be broken. I tried to install GAIM, for instance, with 
the same result, since it seems to require the 
XFree86-fontScalable-4.4.0_1 which use the corrupted makefile.

My question is very simple : what should I do ?
Thank you very much !
Regards,
A.R 

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Re: some advice needed to considering to move my w2k machine into a freebsd workstation.

2004-10-27 Thread Giorgos Keramidas

On 2004-10-26 16:31, Jian Guang Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My current system follows:
 AMD Athlon 1600+, 1 Gigabytes RAM, 40 Giga harddrive, GeForce 2 with
 32 Mb, AC97 Onboard Audio Adaptor, D-Link DFE-538TX.

The hardware is more than ok for running recent versions of FreeBSD.
You shouldn't have problems, as far as the hardware is concerned.

The comments below refer to each of the software packages, applications or
services you currently use.  It's probably a long reply -- too long for all of
it to be correct -- but, since it's always good news to find out that people
want to try using FreeBSD, let's hope I get most of it right ;-)

 The system got follow applications:
 . W2K Workstation Professional runs very smooth right now.
 . Firefox 1.0 for most of the web surfing.

I recently switched to Firefox 1.x from Mozilla 1.7.x and all the sites I have
to visit work like a charm.  There is one minor point that I miss from the
Mozilla menu (being able to zoom at specific percentage, i.e. 105%), but in
general the change seemed ok.

 . IE occasionally but necessary for some of the web-sites I need to go to due to
   personally reason.

This could be a problem.  Don't these sites work with Firefox at all?  If not,
and you do decide to work with FreeBSD, you can always fire up VMWare and boot
into a Windows installation, but I am not sure how well that would work, as I
don't use VMWare.

 . Thunderbird for me email and newsgroup reading.

This should work on FreeBSD too.

 . VMWare to testing FreeBSD.

Not sure.  I haven't used VMWare on FreeBSD.  Perhaps another member of the
list who has can reply here.

 . ACT! 2005 as a CRM software (personal organizer as well) but I'm trying
   to move to a  internet application via www.freecrm.com

I'm not sure about `ACT! 2005', you'd have to ask the company that releases it
regarding availability of FreeBSD versions, but freecrm seems promising and
all it needs is a browser.  That's cool.

 . OpenOffice currently runs in my system with MS Office removed.

This runs on FreeBSD too.  If you are not using MS Office at all, the
transition should have no ill effects on the way you work with Office
formats.

 . Acrobat 5.0 for form editing(Occasionally)

Form editing is something I haven't used, so I don't know if it's supported by
some PDF reader in FreeBSD.

Previewing of PDF files works beautifully though.  There is print/gv,
graphics/xpdf and an integrated PS/PDF viewer in both Gnome and KDE.

If you ever test the print/gv or graphics/xpdf packages, please let me know.
I'll tell you how to configure your browser (Firefox or Mozilla) to use one of
these for opening PS and/or PDF files and a few tricks that will make your
previewing easier.

 . MusicMatch for online radio (all the time)
 . Realplayer for DVD/Movie(Occasionally)

I usually listen to online broadcasts with audio/mpg123 or audio/x11amp (a
winamp clone for X11).  I'm not sure if these two can work with the online
radio stations you like listening too though.  Perhaps if you mentioned the
names of the stations or the format of their broadcast someone else can help
with this one, telling us if FreeBSD has all the proper utilities/packages.

For movies I use multimedia/mplayer.  It cna play almost anything I can swing
at its face.  It lacks the bells and whistles media player has on Windows, but
it works fine and that's what I mostly care about.

 . I have online conference calls using MS Media Player Plugin which is very
   important for me.

This is probably the most important reason why you should do a very careful
research, to decide *if* you want to switch to FreeBSD and then *how* it's
going to be done to minimize down-time.

Bearing in mind the history of Media Player and the way non-standard,
proprietary, closed protocols or formats are used by its plugins, I don't
think compatibility with the conference calls plugin will be easy to achieve
with FreeBSD.  I'd be happy to be proven wrong here, but until then I doubt.

 . Zonealarm as my firewall, Norton Antirus.

Firewalls are a strong FreeBSD point.  ZoneAlarm has always annoyed me.  I am
more a fan of firewalls like ipfilter or pf, which don't depend on the program
name or the program's executable file name to work correctly.

FreeBSD has three different firewalls integrated into the system.  Their
close-integration with the system is an important point to note.  The
firewalls in our world are not third-party add-ons that may or may not work,
depending on how well they followed incomplete specifications about the
internals of a proprietary, closed system (like Windows).  They are developed
as part of the system itself, using the same procedures and QA processes that
the rest of the system uses.

Being available does not mean they are forced upon you either.  You have the
ultimate choice of using one, two, all three of them or none at all.

 . I'm using a home network connected to Rogers High Speed via DHCP protocol,
   another machine is a XP laptop.

Diagnosing program crashes.

2004-10-27 Thread Ben Washington-Yule

I have just destroyed a keyboard over this utterly frustrating problem; 
Evolution, (usr/ports/mail/evolution) crashes only about 1-2 minutes of 
use and by crash I mean that it crashes the entire system; screen 
freezes, keyboard locks up, have to flick switch off at back of 
computer. These crashes are not occasional; they happen after Evolution 
has been open for 1-2 minutes without fail. I have had this same problem 
with opera and linux-opera before but I pretended it just didn't 
happen and quickly deinstalled the ports (I was convinced it was 
impossible to crash FreeBSD - now I relise FreeBSD wasn't at fault - it 
was the programs in question).

I need to know where to start looking to diagnose this problem; I don't 
expect anyone will be able to say exactly what is causing the problem as 
it could be anything I suppose but I would like some pointers on what to 
do to try and solve the problem myself. There are no *.core files or any 
sign that the app has crashed after a reboot and thus I am completely 
clueless as to where to start looking for signs thereof.

Many thanks for any help or pointers in general,
- Ben
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Re: Mozilla installation - XFree86 Makefile broken ?

2004-10-27 Thread Ben Washington-Yule

Adrien Reboisson wrote:
Hi all !
I'm new to freeBSD and I've a question about mozilla installation.
I want to install mozilla. I use :
su
cd /usr/ports/www/mozilla
make
Files begin to be downloaded on my computer, all seems to be OK... But 
suddenly the process is stopped :

=== Configuring for XFree86-fontScalable-4.4.0_1
(cd 
/usr/ports/x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontScalable/work/xc/fonts/encodings  
imake -DUseInstalled -DProjectRoot=/usr/X11R6 
-I/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config -DTOPDIR=../../.. -DCURDIR=.; make 
Makefiles ; make includes ; make depend)
Makefile, line 664: Missing dependency operator
Makefile, line 666: Missing dependency operator
Makefile, line 667: Missing dependency operator
Makefile, line 668: Missing dependency operator
Makefile, line 669: Missing dependency operator
Makefile, line 671: Missing dependency operator
make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontScalable.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/www/mozilla.
A makefile seems to be broken. I tried to install GAIM, for instance, 
with the same result, since it seems to require the 
XFree86-fontScalable-4.4.0_1 which use the corrupted makefile.

My question is very simple : what should I do ?
Thank you very much !
Regards,
A.R
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For a quick fix you could try pkg_add -r XFree86-fontScalable, this 
will download and install the pre-compiled binary. When was the last 
time you CVSup'd?

- Ben
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Re: Flash Drives Sanity Check

2004-10-27 Thread Chuck Swiger

Graham Bentley wrote:
I was wondering if anyone had any experience
of running FreeBSD out of Compact Flash ?
I would consider using NetBSD instead, as that OS seems to support a 
stripped-down config somewhat easier than FreeBSD (or PicoBSD).  I am using 
NetBSD on a Soekris 4801 box via CF:

http://www.soekris.com/net4801.htm
The HDD to Flash adapters are around 15GBP
here and 1GB of Flash about 70GBP
I know there are some projects around that use
Compact Flash (like Openbrick) but I was thinking
more in terms of running a stripped down desktop
workstation.
Does CF stand lots of read / write operations ?
Not really.  You've identified a major concern.
I read somewhere that it has quite low life
expectancy ?
Many CF cards are only rated for 10K or 20K writes, although I believe that 
some newer CF cards will handle 50K to 100K writes.  It is highly recommended 
that you mount filesystems read-only or at least noatime, to avoid scribbing 
non-significant updates to the superblock and common directories.

It's also a good idea to mount /var on a RAM disk.
CF is better suited for embedded applications like firewalls and the like than 
it is for general-purpose use.

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4.10 - 5.2.1

2004-10-27 Thread Mini Me

Where can i find a step by step upgrade method (from FreeBSD 4.10 to 5.2.1)?
Sorry if I seem lazy, but is somehow urgent (because a Plesk interface
must be installed).
Please post any link you think might be useful.

Thanks
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Re: Mozilla installation - XFree86 Makefile broken ?

2004-10-27 Thread Adrien Reboisson

Thank you Ben
I don't understand where is the problem : when I ask freeBSD to install 
mozilla, sources and makefiles are downloaded from Internet - they should be 
up to date, no ?

Anyway I'll try to use your command. Thank you very much.
Regards,
A.R.
For a quick fix you could try pkg_add -r XFree86-fontScalable, this will 
download and install the pre-compiled binary. When was the last time you 
CVSup'd?

- Ben

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Re: 4.10 - 5.2.1

2004-10-27 Thread Jeremy Faulkner

On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:48, Mini Me wrote:
 Where can i find a step by step upgrade method (from FreeBSD 4.10 to 5.2.1)?
 Sorry if I seem lazy, but is somehow urgent (because a Plesk interface
 must be installed).
 Please post any link you think might be useful.
 
 Thanks

1. Back up all valuable data from the 4.x install
2. Install a fresh copy of 5.x
3. Restore data from 4.x
4. ???
5. Profit!
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Re: 4.10 - 5.2.1

2004-10-27 Thread Mini Me

I forgot to say it : remote.


On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:01:02 +, Jeremy Faulkner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:48, Mini Me wrote:
 
 
  Where can i find a step by step upgrade method (from FreeBSD 4.10 to 5.2.1)?
  Sorry if I seem lazy, but is somehow urgent (because a Plesk interface
  must be installed).
  Please post any link you think might be useful.
 
  Thanks
 
 1. Back up all valuable data from the 4.x install
 2. Install a fresh copy of 5.x
 3. Restore data from 4.x
 4. ???
 5. Profit!
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Re: Mozilla installation - XFree86 Makefile broken ?

2004-10-27 Thread Ben Washington-Yule

Adrien Reboisson wrote:
Thank you Ben
I don't understand where is the problem : when I ask freeBSD to 
install mozilla, sources and makefiles are downloaded from Internet - 
they should be up to date, no ?
Not necessarily; you must update the skeleton files yourself using a 
utility like CVSup.

Anyway I'll try to use your command. Thank you very much.
Regards,
A.R.
For a quick fix you could try pkg_add -r XFree86-fontScalable, this 
will download and install the pre-compiled binary. When was the last 
time you CVSup'd?

- Ben

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You may like to read 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html and 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html
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Re: GPL vs BSD Licence

2004-10-27 Thread Chuck Swiger

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
[ ... ]
You might consider that opensource.org is NOT a BSD site, it was
setup by Linux people not BSD people.
Sort of.  The Open Source definition started from Debian guidelines about 
free software.  However, the OSI board has people from various organizations 
besides Linux on there, including Sun (Danese Cooper), IBM/the Apache project 
(Ken Coar).

You'll find people lurking from Apple (Ernie Prabhakar), Python/Zope, and 
various other projects.  There seems to be less input from BSD-specific people 
besides Apple, true, but the BSD and MIT licenses are much less complicated 
than newer licenses and have been around longer, so perhaps people here don't 
see much need to spend time debating software license issues.

There has been little interest from opensource.org in FreeBSD or anything
other than Linux.
This is not true of most people who are active on the OSI Open Source lists.
In fact, they are so bigoted that Bruce Perens, who was one of the
founders of OSI, got completely disgusted with them and left.
Details of this were documented in an interview Bruce did for
the September 2001 issue of Linux Magazine, pages 35-38
Perhaps so.  There are some people there who cross the line into rabid Linux 
evangelism, but you can find OS zealots pretty much anywhere.  Nevertheless, I 
got the impression that the issue you refer to had more to do with a personal 
conflict between Bruce Perens and ESR.

You would get far better information about the BSD license from
a BSD-related site, like the FreeBSD link I supplied above.
Larry Rosen provides legal services for them, and he knows his stuff.
The Open Source Initiative is not about as authoritative a
reference as exists for free and open source licenses  It is
a political PR machine that exists to keep Eric Raymond able
to command expensive speaking fees from ignorant people
who don't know any better.
Besides the OSI, there is the Free Software Foundation, and the Creative 
Commons effort.  Saying that the OSI is not an authoritative reference for 
open source is a lot like saying the FSF isn't authoritative on what free 
software means.

No doubt ESR has his own agenda, but he is reasonably open about his 
positions, his goals, and the methods he uses to achieve them.

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Re: Mozilla installation - XFree86 Makefile broken ?

2004-10-27 Thread Brian Bobowski

Ben Washington-Yule wrote:
For a quick fix you could try pkg_add -r XFree86-fontScalable, this 
will download and install the pre-compiled binary. When was the last 
time you CVSup'd?

Good luck with that. When I'd just installed 5.2.1, I could pkg_add -r 
with a fair likelihood of success. Since a CVSup, I don't think I've had 
a single package be found - except some of the KDE packages when I 
specifically set a PACKAGESITE.

-BB
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5.3 external ehci dvd drive

2004-10-27 Thread Dick Davies


Just got a new usb 2 enclosure and swapped out my internal cd/dvd drive to
it. I can mount it fine on 5.3 as cd(4) over umass(4) but it's too slow to
play DVDs over. 

Has anyone got this working, and is there a step I've missed?
The 1Mb/s speed line looks worrying, though usbdevs does show it hanging off
echi

cd0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
cd0: SAMSUNG CDRW/DVD SM-348B T503 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device 
cd0: 1.000MB/s transfers

?

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Re: 5.3 external ehci dvd drive

2004-10-27 Thread Brian McCann

Did you compile ehci into the kernel?  I chose to upgrade to 5.3 RC1
since it seamed to have better ehci support...still didn't work all
that well with my drives...but it worked.  Remember, ehci is new and
buggy. :)

--Brian


On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:23:25 +0100, Dick Davies
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Just got a new usb 2 enclosure and swapped out my internal cd/dvd drive to
 it. I can mount it fine on 5.3 as cd(4) over umass(4) but it's too slow to
 play DVDs over.
 
 Has anyone got this working, and is there a step I've missed?
 The 1Mb/s speed line looks worrying, though usbdevs does show it hanging off
 echi
 
 cd0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
 cd0: SAMSUNG CDRW/DVD SM-348B T503 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device
 cd0: 1.000MB/s transfers
 
 ?
 
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Re: 5.3 external ehci dvd drive

2004-10-27 Thread Dick Davies

* Brian McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [1032 12:32]:
 Did you compile ehci into the kernel?  I chose to upgrade to 5.3 RC1
 since it seamed to have better ehci support...still didn't work all
 that well with my drives...but it worked.  Remember, ehci is new and
 buggy. :)

Yeah, that's what I thought :) Luckily the enclosure has a firewire port
too, might I have more luck with that?
 

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Re: Mozilla installation - XFree86 Makefile broken ?

2004-10-27 Thread Adrien REBOISSON

Okay : to upgrade the port system, I typed :
portupgrade -all
(I suppose it has the same effect than using cvsup, no ?)
But, I still encounter problems with XFree86 (it's the first package which 
is downloaded) :

XFree86-4.4.0-src-1.tgz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/xc.
Attempting to fetch from 
http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/XFree86/4.4.0/source/.
fetch: XFree86-4.4.0-src-1.tgz: local modification time does not match 
remote
Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.4.0/source/.
^[[A
fetch: XFree86-4.4.0-src-1.tgz: local modification time does not match 
remote
Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.rge.com/pub/X/XFree86/4.4.0/source/.
fetch: XFree86-4.4.0-src-1.tgz: local modification time does not match 
remote
Attempting to fetch from ftp://archive.progeny.com/XFree86/4.4.0/source/.
fetch: XFree86-4.4.0-src-1.tgz: local modification time does not match 
remote
Attempting to fetch from 
ftp://ftp.mirrorcentral.com/pub/XFree86/4.4.0/source/.
[.cut]
Attempting to fetch from 
ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/xc/.
fetch: XFree86-4.4.0-src-1.tgz: local modification time does not match 
remote
Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this
port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/xc and try again.
*** Error code 1
Well, okay :
cd /usr/ports/distfiles/xc
tar -xvzf XFree86-4.4.0-src-5.tgz
[...]
cd xc/fonts/scaled
There is no makefile, just a file named IMakefile (why ?)
mv IMakefile Makefile
make
Makefile, line 33: Missing dependency operator
Makefile, line 34: Missing dependency operator
make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue
What should I do ? I'm a bit lost :)
Thank you !
A.R.
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From: Ben Washington-Yule [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Adrien Reboisson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: Mozilla installation - XFree86 Makefile broken ?


Adrien Reboisson wrote:
Thank you Ben
I don't understand where is the problem : when I ask freeBSD to install 
mozilla, sources and makefiles are downloaded from Internet - they should 
be up to date, no ?
Not necessarily; you must update the skeleton files yourself using a 
utility like CVSup.

Anyway I'll try to use your command. Thank you very much.
Regards,
A.R.
For a quick fix you could try pkg_add -r XFree86-fontScalable, this 
will download and install the pre-compiled binary. When was the last 
time you CVSup'd?

- Ben

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Re: VPN questions

2004-10-27 Thread Aaron P. Martinez

On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 03:38, Erik Norgaard wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I am looking at how to implement VPN but I'm getting confused as to how
 IPSec, IKE, OpenSSL, FreeSWAN, racoon etc. all fit into the picture. I
 am looking at two scenarios, and I have two questions.
 
 1) Standard IPSec tunnel:
 
  ++ IPSec/VPN ++
LAN---| FW |---| FW |---LAN
  ++   ++
 
 In this scenario: Can CARP/pf handle VPN/IPSec connections incase the
 master unit fails? (I am assuming that both ends have fixed public
 routable ip's).
 
 2) VPN for mobile users
 
 ++VPN+-+
   LAN---| FW |---| FW? |---[mobile unit]
 ++   +-+
 
 For mobile users I can't be sure where they are, their ip, or if they
 are behind NAT/firewall, nor can I trust the network until the mobile unit.
 
 IPSec breaks behind NAT, are there other altertives than ssh-tunnels I
 should take a look at? (which? :-)

I suggest looking at openvpn, it is a ssl based vpn that is fairly easy
to set up.  I might shy away from freeswan as it is for the most part
out of development, only one more rollup and that's it.
 
 Thanks, Erik
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Re: 4.10 - 5.2.1

2004-10-27 Thread Mini Me

like http://home.nyc.rr.com/computertaijutsu/FreeBSD53.html ?


On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:03:41 +0200, Mini Me [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I forgot to say it : remote.
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:01:02 +, Jeremy Faulkner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:48, Mini Me wrote:
 
 
   Where can i find a step by step upgrade method (from FreeBSD 4.10 to 5.2.1)?
   Sorry if I seem lazy, but is somehow urgent (because a Plesk interface
   must be installed).
   Please post any link you think might be useful.
  
   Thanks
 
  1. Back up all valuable data from the 4.x install
  2. Install a fresh copy of 5.x
  3. Restore data from 4.x
  4. ???
  5. Profit!
  --
  Jeremy Faulkner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 

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RE: Default router in a PPP conection was: [Re:]

2004-10-27 Thread Ming Zhang

OK, everybody,
thank you very much! I have solved the problem.
The reason that my dns server doesn't work is that the pppoe server filters 
the udp packages away.And the seemly problem that the gateway for device 
and its own ip address are the same is not a problem actually, because the 
only way out for device is via the adsl line.

From: Martin Paredes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ming Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Default router in a PPP conection was: [Re:]
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:24:04 -0700
On Saturday 16 October 2004 08:29, Ming Zhang wrote:
 I want to know how to set the Default Gateway to be the pppoe server's 
ip.
 Or it's impossible?
add default HISADDR
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Sorry

2004-10-27 Thread Jaime Moss

I am looking at non Microsoft platforms for a mail server.

Does FreeBSD have one in it ?

I will also be looking at Linux.

What is the differnce between FreeBSD and Linux?

Kind regards

Jaime Moss
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Re: Sorry

2004-10-27 Thread Mark Frasa

On 2004.10.27 12:18:03 +, Jaime Moss wrote:
 I am looking at non Microsoft platforms for a mail server.
 
 Does FreeBSD have one in it ?
 
 I will also be looking at Linux.
 
 What is the differnce between FreeBSD and Linux?
 
 Kind regards
 
 Jaime Moss

Freebsd has one: Sendmail, and optionally you can install others like:

- Postfix (sendmail based)
- Exim

For the differences of linux-freebsd take a look:
http://librenix.com/?inode=3871

Mark.

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Re: Sorry

2004-10-27 Thread Henry Miller


On 10/27/2004 at 12:18 Jaime Moss wrote:

I am looking at non Microsoft platforms for a mail server.

Does FreeBSD have one in it ?

sendmail is included, though mostly because it always has been
included, not because we feel it is any good.   Postfix, exim, and
qmail are in ports in case you want a different once.  There may be
more.  (sendmail is hard to configure, and historiclly has been the
injection point of many root cracks.   Many people regard it as
unfixable.  How true any of this is can be debated)   I have no opinion
on which is best.   All have their advocates.  Each has advantages and
disadvantages.  

You will have to decide which is better for you.

I will also be looking at Linux.

What is the differnce between FreeBSD and Linux?

Short answer: not much.   Both a really good, free operating systems.
Either will run your mail server just fine, in fact all the software I
listed above will run on either.   It is rare to find something that
runs on linux that cannot be made to run on FreeBSD with little work. 

Long answer:   ask on the advocacy lists.  Saying anything more is
off-topic for this list, because most answers come down to personal
preference.  Often any discussion soon starts to sound like Catholics
and Lutherans arguing over religion, so be careful about asking this
question.

Note however that linux comes from many different distributions, which
affects the differences.

A short (incomplete) list of things that often come up when this
question is asked:  License,.   Fragmentation,  Hardware support,
Quality of source code, Which algorithm is used in a particular place,
Installers, How your configure it, and  How you install programs.   

You get to decide for yourself.  Unlike religions, you are not assigned
a place in Hell for picking wrong.



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Re: Re[2]: 2 Network Cards 2 IP's?

2004-10-27 Thread pete wright

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:54:40 +0200, Hexren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 JP On Tuesday 26 October 2004 21:20, Hexren wrote:
   For example:
  
   192.168.1.100 on NIC 1
  
   192.168.1.101 on NIC 2
  
   Gateway 192.168.1.1
 
  --
 
  Am I seeing the wrong problem when I say that:
 
  #ifconfig NIC1 192.168.1.100
  #ifconfig NIC1 192.168.1.101
  #route add default 192.168.1.1
 
  should do what you want ?
 
  Hexren
 
 JP You can't put two NICs w/ the same subnet into a FBSD machine
 
 -
 
 I can't challenge that I never tried but it should surprise me if that
 was true. What error message does the system give if you try to do
 that ?
 

as per previous posts in this thread.  basicly you get warning
messages in your logs like so:
 

 xl0
 arp: 192.168.1.100 is on fxp0 but got reply from 00:02:b3:9f:74:89 on
 xl0
 arp: 192.168.1.1 is on fxp0 but got reply from 00:07:e9:10:43:78 on

which can be diabled:
net.link.ether.inet.log_arp_wrong_iface: 1

i belive, don't have a box to check the sysctl with right now


-p


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Re: Sorry

2004-10-27 Thread Erik Norgaard

Jaime Moss wrote:

 What is the differnce between FreeBSD and Linux?

The differences really only matters if you are using one system and want
to change, they are mostly neuances in everyday use.

You can run all the mentioned mailservers equally well on both FreeBSD
and Linux, same configuration files. Migrating from Linux to FreeBSD I
only had to reformat the password file as Linux' shadow-file is slightly
different format from FreeBSD master.passwd.

I think the most clear difference, which will be important to you is the
way you _maintain_ the systems:

On Linux the normal administrator will often be installing binary
packages using rpm - Gentoo and Debian have other ways to handle this.
On *BSD the usual way is to use the ports tree and compile from source.

Mostly it is a matter of personal taste, which system is for you, how
you like to do things and how you work. I came from RedHat linux and
have found I spend less time maintaining my systems with FreeBSD - but
this just my subjective feeling.

Cheers, Erik
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Re: Sorry

On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 12:18:03PM +0200, Jaime Moss wrote:
 I am looking at non Microsoft platforms for a mail server.
 
 Does FreeBSD have one in it ?

Yes, sendmail.  There are also dozens of other mail servers in the
ports collection.

 I will also be looking at Linux.
 
 What is the differnce between FreeBSD and Linux?

They're different :) Seriously, this is a FAQ, and you should check
the archives for extensive discussion of this topic.

Kris

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Re: xeon

On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:24:12PM -0700, sonjaya wrote:
 dear all 
 
 can i use freebsd for my server ( Xeon 2 G )

Yes.  This question is off-topic for freebsd-arch though; support
questions should be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in future.

 if can where should i read the document

What document?

 i plant use Freebsd 5.2 release.

You should seriously consider using 5.3 instead, which will be
released soon.

Kris


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negative sbsize for uid = 0

2004-10-27 Thread jozzfest

I recently have been seeing the console and messages flooded with the following:

Oct 27 00:00:01 deimos /kernel.old: negative sbsize for uid = 0
Oct 27 00:00:34 deimos last message repeated 131 times
Oct 27 00:02:35 deimos last message repeated 51 times
Oct 27 00:10:51 deimos last message repeated 43 times
Oct 27 00:20:57 deimos last message repeated 36 times
Oct 27 00:31:05 deimos last message repeated 36 times
Oct 27 00:41:16 deimos last message repeated 36 times
Oct 27 00:51:24 deimos last message repeated 36 times
Oct 27 01:01:42 deimos last message repeated 36 times
Oct 27 01:11:54 deimos last message repeated 36 times
Oct 27 01:22:11 deimos last message repeated 58 times
Oct 27 01:32:31 deimos last message repeated 36 times

I haven't altered the Kernel since April.

FreeBSD deimos.freudlevels.com 4.9-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #1: Wed
Apr 28 12:03:48 EDT 2004
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DEIMOS  i386

This appears to have mostly started happening when I attempted to
mount_smbfs a share from a windows system.  The performance was
overwhelmingly slow and I thought whatever was causing it may have
been fixed in a later version.  I then upgraded Samba to 3.0.7 from
ports.  Was previously using 2.2.12, also from ports.

Even after not attempting to remount that windows share, I'm still
receiving tons of the sbsize for uid = 0 messages.

I appreciate any help someone can give :)

Thanks,
- Joe

(And now for spam)

/var/run/dmesg.boot:  

Copyright (c) 1992-2003 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #1: Wed Apr 28 12:03:48 EDT 2004
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DEIMOS
Timecounter i8254  frequency 1193182 Hz
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (857.64-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = AuthenticAMD  Id = 0x642  Stepping = 2
  
Features=0x183f9ffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR
  AMD Features=0xc044RSVD,AMIE,DSP,3DNow!
real memory  = 536788992 (524208K bytes)
avail memory = 516845568 (504732K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel kernel.old at 0xc054e000.
Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
md0: Malloc disk
Using $PIR table, 9 entries at 0xc00f1720
npx0: math processor on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
pcib0: Host to PCI bridge on motherboard
pci0: PCI bus on pcib0
agp0: VIA 82C8363 (Apollo KT133A) host to PCI bridge mem
0xe600-0xe7ff at device 0.0 on pci0
pcib1: VIA 8363 (Apollo KT133) PCI-PCI (AGP) bridge at device 1.0 on pci0
pci1: PCI bus on pcib1
isab0: VIA 82C686 PCI-ISA bridge at device 4.0 on pci0
isa0: ISA bus on isab0
atapci0: VIA 82C686 ATA100 controller port 0xd800-0xd80f at device 4.1 on pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
uhci0: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 9 at device
4.2 on pci0
usb0: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci1: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xd000-0xd01f irq 9 at device
4.3 on pci0
usb1: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci1
usb1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
viapropm0: SMBus I/O base at 0xe800
viapropm0: VIA VT82C686A Power Management Unit port 0xe800-0xe80f at
device 4.4 on pci0
viapropm0: SMBus revision code 0x40
smb0: SMBus general purpose I/O on smbus0
rl0: D-Link DFE-530TX+ 10/100BaseTX port 0xa400-0xa4ff mem
0xe480-0xe48000ff irq 10 at device 11.0 on pci0
rl0: Ethernet address: 00:50:ba:4b:90:1b
miibus0: MII bus on rl0
rlphy0: RealTek internal media interface on miibus0
rlphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
pci0: Matrox MGA Millennium 2064W graphics accelerator at 12.0 irq 11
chip0: ESS Technology Maestro 2E Audio controller port 0xa000-0xa0ff
irq 9 at device 13.0 on pci0
atapci1: Promise ATA100 controller port
0x8400-0x843f,0x8800-0x8803,0x9000-0x9007,0x9400-0x9403,0x9800-0x9807
mem 0xe380-0xe381 irq 10 at device 17.0 on pci0
ata2: at 0x9800 on atapci1
ata3: at 0x9000 on atapci1
orm0: Option ROMs at iomem 0xc-0xc7fff,0xc8000-0xc9fff on isa0
pmtimer0 on isa0
fdc0: NEC 72065B or clone at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: 1440-KB 3.5 drive on fdc0 drive 0
atkbdc0: Keyboard controller (i8042) at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0
atkbd0: AT Keyboard flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
psm0: PS/2 Mouse irq 12 on atkbdc0
psm0: model IntelliMouse Explorer, device ID 4
vga0: Generic ISA VGA at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa-0xb on isa0
sc0: System console at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA 16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300
sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
sio0: type 16550A
sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0
sio1: type 16550A
ppc0: Parallel port at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0
ppc0: SMC-like

Sound problem

2004-10-27 Thread Gregory Nou

Hi folks !

Here is my question, related to sound.
My problem is that when I have more than 2 days of uptime, I experience
distorsions in the sound when I hear music, when I play games, or watch
films, and even if the load is at 0.16
More surprising (and maybe related, but it is another question), mplayer
tells me that my computer is actually too slow to watch a film (I have
an Athlon XP2400+, 1GB DDR and my disk has 2 GB free)
 
But today, something more weird appeared (here is the dmesg) :

Interrupt storm detected on irq12: pcm0 uhci2; throttling interrupt
source
pcm0:play:4: play interrupt timeout, channel dead
pcm0:play:4: play interrupt timeout, channel dead
pcm0:play:4: play interrupt timeout, channel dead
pcm0:play:4: play interrupt timeout, channel dead
pcm0:play:4: play interrupt timeout, channel dead

I had formerly launched xmms, but it was on pause, and no music was
playing. I only have a mouse on usb, and I didn't move it when that
crash.

16:29 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~% uname -a
FreeBSD alfred.rez-metz.supelec.fr 5.3-BETA4 FreeBSD 5.3-BETA4 #3: Wed
Sep 29 03:43:34 CEST 2004
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KERN_GREG  i386

it's not that new, but I cannot remember having seen a problem like that
on [EMAIL PROTECTED], I suppose it's not related to a too old version...
(or I hope so)

Best regards,

Grégory

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Re: Sorry

2004-10-27 Thread Jerry McAllister

 
 I am looking at non Microsoft platforms for a mail server.
 
 Does FreeBSD have one in it ?

Yes, FreeBSd has about everything you would want and several
alternatives for each.   Sendmail is the long time workhorse of
the Email agents.   It gets some abuse because of its arcane
configuration syntax, but it works reliably and hasn't seen any
serious problem in quite a long while.   There are also several 
alternatives to sendmail available in the ports.  

In addition to Email, FreeBSD has support for every type of network
activity.   There are web servers, DNS, DHCP, Radius, etc, etc.

 
 I will also be looking at Linux.
 
 What is the differnce between FreeBSD and Linux?

Mostly, FreeBSD is more consistent throughout and its development
is better managed.   Thus it is a little more easily maintained,
somewhat more secure and a more comfortable platform to run as a server.

In terms of features, most often sited are FreeBSDs maintainability, 
security and ports system for 3rd party software and LINUX' heavier
use of GUI stuff (which I find, gets in the way of running a server).

jerry

 
 Kind regards
 
 Jaime Moss
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5.3-RELEASE on Dell PowerEdge 2850

2004-10-27 Thread Tom Gidden

Hi,
I've recently got a few Dell PowerEdge 2850 machines with 4 GB RAM to  
build a new database cluster.  However, unlike our existing PowerEdge  
2650 machines, they're only recognising about 3.25 GB.  The machines  
are pretty much standard, with no extra cards (just the built-in  
MegaRAID).

As a last resort, I've tried rebuilding the kernel with  
MAXMEM=(4*1024*1024), which produces some really fun crashes (which I  
can supply if necessary).  The BIOS seems to be devoid of anything  
remotely useful to tweak.

Any ideas?
Here's a dmesg from the non-crashing kernel:  [note, the first line is  
from memory and might be incorrect]

786426K of memory above 4GB ignored
Copyright (c) 1992-2004 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights  
reserved.
FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #1: Wed Oct 27 15:39:35 BST 2004
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/PE2850_2
Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz (2793.01-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = GenuineIntel  Id = 0xf34  Stepping = 4
   
Features=0xbfebfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE 
,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE
real memory  = 3489398784 (3327 MB)
avail memory = 3418533888 (3260 MB)
ACPI APIC Table: DELL   PE BKC  
FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs
 cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0
 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  6
ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 7
ioapic1: Changing APIC ID to 8
ioapic1: WARNING: intbase 32 != expected base 24
ioapic2: Changing APIC ID to 9
ioapic2: WARNING: intbase 64 != expected base 56
ioapic3: Changing APIC ID to 10
ioapic3: WARNING: intbase 96 != expected base 88
ioapic0 Version 2.0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard
ioapic1 Version 2.0 irqs 32-55 on motherboard
ioapic2 Version 2.0 irqs 64-87 on motherboard
ioapic3 Version 2.0 irqs 96-119 on motherboard


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ndis wrapper around dwl-520 rev E

2004-10-27 Thread lreid


Hello everybody,

I'm starting fresh with FreeBSD 5 after my 4_STABLE system's disk ate
itself, and I've been fighting with wireless adapters for a little
while. I'm wondering if anyone can help me make some sense of this
problem:

The machine has inside it a DLink DWL-520 card. It's a revision E, so it
is not supported by wi (although wi will try to init and fail). Now that
I am running FreeBSD 5.3, I've decided to give the ndisulator a shot. I
had a hunch that having both ndis and wi vying for control of the device
would be a badthing, so I recompiled my kernel _without_ device wi.

I used the WinXP inf and sys files on the DLink install CD to make the
ndis_driver_info.h. (note: the inf file gave me grief until I read
somewhere that it needed a newline at the bottom to work correctly) I
compiled if_ndis.ko and kldload'ed it. pciconf -l shows:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:0:  class=0x06 card=0x80231043 chip=0x06911106 rev=0x02
hdr=0x00
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x0080 chip=0x85981106 rev=0x00
hdr=0x01
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:0: class=0x060100 card=0x80231043 chip=0x06861106 rev=0x22
hdr=0x00
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:1:   class=0x01018a card=0x chip=0x05711106
rev=0x10 hdr=0x00
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x12340925 chip=0x30381106 rev=0x10
hdr=0x00
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:3: class=0x0c0300 card=0x12340925 chip=0x30381106 rev=0x10
hdr=0x00
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:4:class=0x06 card=0x chip=0x30571106
rev=0x30 hdr=0x00
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:10:0:class=0x028000 card=0x37001186 chip=0x38731260
rev=0x01 hdr=0x00
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:11:0:  class=0x02 card=0x813910ec chip=0x813910ec rev=0x10
hdr=0x00
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:12:0:  class=0x02 card=0x813910ec chip=0x813910ec rev=0x10
hdr=0x00
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:13:0: class=0x01 card=0x38699004 chip=0x38609004 rev=0x03
hdr=0x00
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:0:  class=0x03 card=0x001a1002 chip=0x51441002 rev=0x00
hdr=0x00

The ndis driver seems to have initialized on pci0:10:0, but no ndis
adapter shows in ifconfig -a. Troubled by this, I moved the driver
object into /boot/kernel and added load_if_ndis=YES to loader.conf,
and rebooted. Maybe dmesg would tell me something important. It did:

ndis0: D-Link Air DWL-520 Wireless PCI Adapter(rev.E) mem
0xd700-0xd7000fff irq 5 at device 10.0 on pci0
can't re-use a leaf (BusType)!
ndis0: NDIS API version: 5.1
ndis0: NDIS ERROR: c0001394 (unknown error)
ndis0: NDIS NUMERRORS: 0
ndis0: init handler failed
device_attach: ndis0 attach returned 6

So that's where I am. I don't know what to make of this dmesg output.
Can anyone offer some insight?

Thanks,
Reid
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Re: Network speed mysteries

2004-10-27 Thread Andrew P.

Matthew Seaman wrote:
On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:46:02PM +0400, Andrew P. wrote:
 

Just an hour ago I decided to rebuild the file-server kernel - and it 
takes time to build it there, as it's an old Celeron box with little 
RAM. By coincidence, some files were being uploaded just when I entered 
make buildkernel  I looked at FileZilla windows, expecting to see 
the speed drop - but WOW! - the speed was at 7Mbytes/s!!! It then 
hovered around 6.5-9Mbytes/s while the kernel was being built! I waited 
for some minutes until the kernel was finally built - and the upload 
speed dropped back to 2.5-3.5Mb/s. I couldn't believe it - and I still 
can't - so I waited and built a kernel once more - with all the same 
effects on speed! It's worth to mention, that when I was installing the 
built kernel, the speed didn't change from usual 3Mb/s.

Please let me know what the heck is going on - or just what you think 
about it.
   

So, when the system is under load, the network throughput goes up?
That must be a timing issue to do with dealing with ACKs -- perhaps
the FreeBSD box just responds too fast for the other end, and loading
down the system delays things just long enough to get both ends into
sync.
What would be useful would be to use tcpdump(1) or ethereal(1) to
capture a sample of the network traffic in either situation and bring
this up on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list.  Note that running tcpdump itself
might affect the traffic in a similar way -- there's a thread on
freebsd-net which you might find interesting, starting here:
   http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-net/2004-October/005368.html
I you do post to freebsd-net, including the output of 'ifconfig -a'
would be a good move.
 

Thanks a lot! When I rebooted after installing my custom kernel, I was 
delighted to find out that the speed grew to 9.7Mb/s. That's another 
mystery, cuz I've switched from GENERIC kernel to one with ipfw, 
ipdivert and some other networking code. So I think I'll just leave it 
at that. Besides, I don't want to spoil my first impression. I just want 
to keep wondering - how building a kernel itself can speed up network 
thruoghput. Real magic :-)

Thanks again!
Best regards,
Andrew P.
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Re: First impressions of FreeBSD 5.3

2004-10-27 Thread Gordon Freeman

I'll toss that into my kernel the next time I can keep my server up
long enough to run.

But since the release date has been pushed back I promise not to start
any more threads about 5.3.

Very odd panic:

panic: APIC: Previous IPI is stuck
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Problems to install FreeBSD 5.0 with USB keyboard

2004-10-27 Thread Thomas W. Summers

Hello read your message did you ever find a way to do the install??? If so
could you share the info with me?
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Re: 5.3-RELEASE on Dell PowerEdge 2850

2004-10-27 Thread Dan Nelson

In the last episode (Oct 27), Tom Gidden said:
 I've recently got a few Dell PowerEdge 2850 machines with 4 GB RAM to
 build a new database cluster.  However, unlike our existing PowerEdge
 2650 machines, they're only recognising about 3.25 GB.  The machines
 are pretty much standard, with no extra cards (just the built-in
 MegaRAID).
 
 As a last resort, I've tried rebuilding the kernel with
 MAXMEM=(4*1024*1024), which produces some really fun crashes (which I
 can supply if necessary).  The BIOS seems to be devoid of anything
 remotely useful to tweak.
 
 Any ideas?
 
 Here's a dmesg from the non-crashing kernel:  [note, the first line
 is from memory and might be incorrect]
 
 786426K of memory above 4GB ignored

It looks like you will need to enable PAE to access the rest of that
memory (see the pae manpage; some hardware will not work with it
enabled).  Dell has apparently put quite a bit of your memory past the
4GB point, and left a 700MB hole somewhere in lower memory.  I think if
you do a boot -v, it will print the memory ranges.

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Re: Mozilla installation - XFree86 Makefile broken ?

2004-10-27 Thread Donald J. O'Neill

On Wednesday 27 October 2004 06:45 am, Adrien REBOISSON wrote:
 Okay : to upgrade the port system, I typed :

 portupgrade -all

 (I suppose it has the same effect than using cvsup, no ?)

No, it doesn't. To upgrade the port system, you need to use cvsup. 
to use cvsup, it needs to be installed. An install of cvsup can be 
done in one of two (possibly more) ways:
 1) cd /usr/ports/net/cvsup
  make install
 This will install cvsup and its dependencies, according to what is
 in  your ports tree.
 2) pkg_add -r cvsup
 This downloads a pre-compiled version of cvsup and its
 dependencies, based on your operating system version.

 But, I still encounter problems with XFree86 (it's the first
 package which

 is downloaded) :
  XFree86-4.4.0-src-1.tgz doesn't seem to exist in
  /usr/ports/distfiles/xc. Attempting to fetch from
  http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/XFree86/4.4.0/source/.

 fetch: XFree86-4.4.0-src-1.tgz: local modification time does not
 match remote

  Attempting to fetch from
  ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.4.0/source/.

 ^[[A
 fetch: XFree86-4.4.0-src-1.tgz: local modification time does not
 match remote

  Attempting to fetch from
  ftp://ftp.rge.com/pub/X/XFree86/4.4.0/source/.

 fetch: XFree86-4.4.0-src-1.tgz: local modification time does not
 match remote

  Attempting to fetch from
  ftp://archive.progeny.com/XFree86/4.4.0/source/.

 fetch: XFree86-4.4.0-src-1.tgz: local modification time does not
 match remote

  Attempting to fetch from
  ftp://ftp.mirrorcentral.com/pub/XFree86/4.4.0/source/.

 [.cut]

  Attempting to fetch from
  ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/xc/.

 fetch: XFree86-4.4.0-src-1.tgz: local modification time does not
 match remote

  Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this
  port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/xc and try again.

 *** Error code 1

 Well, okay :

 cd /usr/ports/distfiles/xc
 tar -xvzf XFree86-4.4.0-src-5.tgz
 [...]
 cd xc/fonts/scaled

 There is no makefile, just a file named IMakefile (why ?)

 mv IMakefile Makefile
 make

Don't do that. That IMakefile is required to be named IMakfile. Is 
imake installed on your system?
 pkg_info |grep imake

Also, do you have gmake installed?



 Makefile, line 33: Missing dependency operator
 Makefile, line 34: Missing dependency operator
 make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue

 What should I do ? I'm a bit lost :)

Go to the FreeBSD website and look at the handbook, also look at the 
FAQ, and the For Newbies section. On your computer, 
read /usr/src/UPDATING, /usr/ports/UPDATING,
Go to http://www.lemis.com/questions.html  and read there.
Go to http://www.freebsddiary.org/  and read there.



 Thank you !

 A.R.


Hello A.R.

I think I've given you some place to at least get a handle on 
things. Perhaps you're trying to go to far, too fast, without going 
through the learning curve. What version of FreeBSD do you have 
installed? 

Don

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Re: First impressions of FreeBSD 5.3

2004-10-27 Thread Chris Howells

On Wednesday 27 October 2004 11:06, Chris wrote:
 Heh - I see they pushed the formal release back to Nov. 5
 My 5.3-RELEASE runs just dandy

Working nicely here too.

-bash-2.05b$ uname -a
FreeBSD sauron.middleearth 5.3-BETA7 FreeBSD 5.3-BETA7 #0: Sat Oct  9 
11:50:30BST 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SAURON  
i386
-bash-2.05b$ uptime
 5:05PM  up 16 days,  6:42, 1 user, load averages: 0.03, 0.10, 0.10


gimli# uname -a
FreeBSD gimli.middleearth 5.3-BETA7 FreeBSD 5.3-BETA7 #4: Tue Oct  5 21:22:47 
BST 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GIMLI  i386
gimli# uptime
 5:10PM  up 17 days,  6:14, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

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ACX100 Firmware Licensing

2004-10-27 Thread Christian Weisgerber

Compared to other types of hardware, the support for wireless cards
is lacking on *BSD because many vendors don't provide documentation
or the cards require the upload of a binary firmware image that,
absurdly as it sounds, may not be redistributed.  Well, some people
are working on improving this situation step by step and you can
help by writing to the hardware vendors.

Specifically, there already is a FreeBSD 5.x driver for the Texas
Instruments ACX100 802.11b chipset (DLink DWL-520+, DWL-650+, and
others), which is currently maintained externally:

http://wlan.kewl.org/modules/mantis/main_page.php

However, a firmware binary blob must be uploaded to the card, and
since TI doesn't allow redistribution it can't be included with the
driver, rendering it useless.

THIS CONCERNS ALL OPEN SOURCE OPERATING SYSTEMS: FreeBSD, the other
BSDs, Linux, you name it.

OpenBSD's Ryan McBride has tried to contact TI about this but has
been ignored and now asks the user community for assistance.  Please
contact the people at Texas Instruments by email or phone and ask
them to enable us to provide a useful driver.  Time and again it
has been shown that vendors will be swayed if the user community
expresses its interest vocally enough.

Here is a list of contacts scrounged together from various sources:

Bill Carney [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 707 521 3069
Mr Taketo Fukui [EMAIL PROTECTED] 81-3-4331-2060
Dr John T Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 707 284 2224
Mr Srikanth Gummadi [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 707 284 2209
Dr Srinath Hosur [EMAIL PROTECTED] (214) 480-4432
Dr Jie Liang [EMAIL PROTECTED] (214) 480-4105
Mr Joe Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] 858 646 3358
Mr Lior Ophir [EMAIL PROTECTED] (972) 9 970-6542
Dr Stephen Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] (510) 841-8315 
Mr Yoram Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] (408) 965-2196
Tim Riker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DuVal, Mary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anand Dabak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anand G. Dabak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tim Schmidl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sean Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Srikanth Gummadi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Srinath Hosur [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Muhammad Ikram [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joseph Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lior Ophir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stephen Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ian Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Manoneet Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hirohisa Yamaguchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: Ryan McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ACX100 Firmware Licensing

Greetings

Since I do not know which one of you to contact, I am contacting all
of you in the hopes that someone can redirect me to the responsible
party who can help me.

I am contacting on behalf of the open source operating system called
OpenBSD, but the message applies to all of the other open source
operating systems (Linux, the other BSD's, etc).

In open source operating systems the support for some 802.11 devices,
drivers such as TIs ACX100 chip, is lagging because the vendors are
taking rather restrictive approaches regarding their technology.
We have begun working on a driver for this chip, but it will be crippled
in our operating system due to the absence of a freely available
firmware image.

Our policy is as follows: We will include a firmware from a vendor if it
is freely redistributable.  It can be a binary blob of data.  It must be
copyrighted, of course, but that is in the interest of the vendor.

Our user community is very compatibility driven in their purchasing
decisions; they seek out the components that are stable and well
supported, and it is not the ACX100 varients that they will select.
Even if a free driver exists, they will avoid these cards since the
firmware is not included in the operating system, so you are selling
fewer cards than you could.  I don't know if the open source operating
systems are rising as much some of the press leads us to believe, but if
they are, you can no longer afford to turn your back on a fickle and
technically savvy community.

In the past, vendors have gotten by because there were no options, but
now that some have begun opening up with freely licensed firmware and
usable technical documentation, open source users have a choice, and
they will be chosing the best supported cards, ie those from vendors who
cooperate with the open source projects.

There is another threat to your business model of remaining closed.
Some vendors like RealTek and Ralink have come out with fully documented
chipsets.  Even Intel's Centrino-associated chipsets are now fully
documented, and Cisco's remain documented.  And of course we fully
support the old Lucent, Prism, and Symbol devices.

Texas Instruments can avoid getting sidelined in the open source market,
by working with us to release the firmware in a way we can use it.

Other companies that have met with the same firmware choices?

Qlogic ISP scsi/fiberchannel PCI cards
3com Ethernet cards that do IPSEC offloading
Adaptec
Intel 100mbit card firmware upgrades for bugs
NCR for their scsi products

There are

Re: VPN questions

2004-10-27 Thread Chris Shenton

Aaron P. Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I suggest looking at openvpn, it is a ssl based vpn that is fairly easy
 to set up.  I might shy away from freeswan as it is for the most part
 out of development, only one more rollup and that's it.

Any suggestions for something compatible with Cisco's 3080 VPN
product? Something that will work from behind my home NAT box,
ideally?

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installation of SSH port failing

2004-10-27 Thread Dean Pohlabel

Hi there,
I'm trying to upgrade my version of SSH from 3.5p1 to 3.8.1p1 on a FreeBSD 
4.10 machine.  SSH 3.5p1 is working just fine, but I don't see it listed in 
either /var/db/pkg or /var/db/ports so I don't have a good way of 
uninstalling (that I know of).  When I try to install the newer version, I 
get:


/usr/include/gssapi.h:595: previous declaration of `gss_export_name'
/usr/local/include/gssapi/gssapi.h:803: conflicting types for 
`gss_duplicate_name'
/usr/include/gssapi.h:719: previous declaration of `gss_duplicate_name'
/usr/local/include/gssapi/gssapi.h:811: conflicting types for 
`gss_canonicalize_name'
/usr/include/gssapiDean
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installation of SSH port failing...one more try

2004-10-27 Thread Dean Pohlabel

Ack...sorry...had a little mailer problem with that last attempt.  That
message should have been:

I'm trying to upgrade my version of SSH from 3.5p1 to 3.8.1p1 on a FreeBSD
4.10 machine.  SSH 3.5p1 is working just fine, but I don't see it listed
in
either /var/db/pkg or /var/db/ports so I don't have a good way of
uninstalling (that I know of).  When I try to install the newer version, I
get:


/usr/include/gssapi.h:595: previous declaration of `gss_export_name'
/usr/local/include/gssapi/gssapi.h:803: conflicting types for
`gss_duplicate_name'
/usr/include/gssapi.h:719: previous declaration of `gss_duplicate_name'
/usr/local/include/gssapi/gssapi.h:811: conflicting types for
`gss_canonicalize_name'
/usr/include/gssapi.h:713: previous declaration of `gss_canonicalize_name'
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/security/openssh-portable/work/openssh-3.8.1p1.
*** Error code 1


It may have to do with 3.5p1 still hanging around, but, again, I'm not
sure
how to remove itthen again, it may be something else entirely.

Any ideas?

Thanks...and I'm blushing.

Dean
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RE: VPN questions

2004-10-27 Thread Michael Clark


 Any suggestions for something compatible with Cisco's 3080 VPN
 product? Something that will work from behind my home NAT box,
 ideally?

There is nothing that I know of, I have a 3000 at work and wanted to do the
same thing. There is a cli client for the 3000 in ports that I did manage to
get working at one time, its not site to site though.



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Re: Sysinstall FTP from LAN - not working

2004-10-27 Thread Nathan Kinkade

On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 03:50:47PM -0400, Les Kruszewski wrote:
 I am trying to install 5.2.1 from an iMac running OSX with an FTP
 server.  When I set up the FTP address I use the iMac's IP and enter
 the FreeBSD folder location.  The iMac has a password and user so
 these are entered in the options menu.  The user, password, and
 IP/folder are identical to that used on my FTP client under Win98 that
 connects without issue.  The box I am installing FreeBSD on is also a
 Win98 box.  When running Win98 on this box I have no problems
 connecting to the FTP server on the iMac.  
  
 The error message that I get is no route to host  and then it asks
 if I would like to reconfigure.
  
 I can't connect in sysinstall with the freebsd servers either
 (directly or in passive mode).  Again outside of the sysinstall in
 Win98 on the same machine, no problem.  
 
 I have connected to the same location to load Suse Linux on another
 computer in the LAN.
  
 I set up the network information automatically with the DHCP selection
 so that all the information regarding my LAN comes from the router.  I
 know that I have communication between the installer and the router
 since all the system info comes across okay.  
  
 I cannot get a ping response, when tried from a Win98 box on the LAN,
 for the network address associated with the computer's NIC that I am
 trying to install FreeBSD on when sysinstall runs.
  
 Any thoughts on proper configuration?
  
 Les Kruszewski

From within sysinstall you should be able to press Alt-F2 to get to
another virtual terminal.  From there you can do some poking around,
such as running `ifconfig' to see if you network interface is in fact
detected and configured.  If so, you could also check your routing table
with `netstat -rn'.  However, FreeBSD should automatically add a route
for any hosts on the same network as your network interface.  So, unless
the FTP server is on a different network then there shouldn't be a
problem.  If for some reason (and it probably shouldn't be this way) the
Mac FTP server is on a differnt IP network, you'll have to add a special
route to that network manually, or simply put the Mac on the same
network that is being handed out by your DHCP server.

Nathan
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Re: VPN questions

2004-10-27 Thread Aaron Nichols

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:47:43 -0500, Michael Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Any suggestions for something compatible with Cisco's 3080 VPN
  product? Something that will work from behind my home NAT box,
  ideally?
 
 There is nothing that I know of, I have a 3000 at work and wanted to do the
 same thing. There is a cli client for the 3000 in ports that I did manage to
 get working at one time, its not site to site though.

The Cisco 3000 is a difficult beast in this case. I have a site to
site VPN between the Cisco and an OpenBSD host which works fine, I
assume it would also work for FreeBSD. The challenge however, is that
for site to site (known as Lan to Lan in the Cisco) a static IP must
be used, this mode does not support a dynamic client that I know of.

You can connect a dynamic client to the Cisco using the Base Group,
but their PSK structure for dynamic clients basically requires that
you use the same PSK for all clients, not exactly ideal. I believe you
can use certificates to get around this, but I've not tried.

The Cisco client itself uses XAUTH to allow user/pass type
authentication and can then be pointed to a backend authentication
service (RADIUS, AD, etc) - if there is some software for FreeBSD that
can do XAUTH you would be much closer to getting this to work - I
don''t think such a thing exists however.

If you have a static IP from your ISP and want to use Lan to Lan, I'm
pretty sure that would work (though I'm currently battling this
specific scenario on the FreeBSD side trying to get NAT working on the
VPN itself to masquerade the LAN behind the VPN). As a Hint, you'll
want to use aggressive mode and some identifier for the client other
than the IP (I use an email address). I've resigned to having a few
different VPN concentrators for clients to connect to as each seems
to have it's own specific strengths and weaknesses and our company has
a wide variety of clients connecting.

Aaron
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Re: init - inittab , how to monitor process like on linux ?

2004-10-27 Thread Nathan Kinkade

On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 05:53:24PM +0200, ADNET Ghislain wrote:
 
 On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:45:13 +0200, ADNET Ghislain [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 Hi,
 
   The init process can watch daemon and respawn died ones on linux with
 simple configuration. I tried to reproduce this in my FreeBSD server. I
 know this can be done also as the man page says:
 
snip
 
 but no matter how i tweak the ttys file  i cannot make it to work.
 
 Does any FreeeBSD guru can help me make the step from linux complete as
 i cannot find help about this anywhere (the freeBSD admin book do not
 speak of it and google is silent about freeBSD specific ttys inittab
 like settings).
 
 A simple exemple will do the trick, basicaly i need this to keep spamd,
 clamd running (with better and safer way  than using a while 1 loop on
 the shell).
 
 Best regards,
 Ghislain.

What line are you adding to the file /etc/ttys that is not working?

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Re: Dmesg output confusion/printer problems

2004-10-27 Thread Nathan Kinkade

On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 08:56:12AM -0700, MrBluez wrote:
 Sorry to be impatient but I'm really curious about this stuff.  I'm
 trying to get my printer (HP LaserJet 4L) to function in Free BSD
 5.2.1.  I'm following the handbook's instructions verbatim because I
 can't reliably get the printer to print (even plain text).  The
 handbook isn't appears to be outdated  is unclear about how to
 troubleshoot at best.  But that's another point, :-).  
 
 Per section 9.3.1.2.1 Kernel Configuration in the handbook, I ran a
 dmesg command  received the doubled response.  The command 
 responses are listed below. 
 
 % grep ppc2 /var/run/dmesg.boot
 ppc2 port 0x778-0x77b,0x378-0x37f irq 7 on acpi0
 ppc2: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode
 ppbus2: Parallel port bus on ppc2

snip
 
 Question 1) Why am I getting a doubled response with the dmesg query 
 if it isn't normal behavior for dmesg to double the reply, how do I
 make it go away?  
 
 Question 2) Assuming that I get question 1 resolved, how do I get on
 the right track to figure out what's up with the printing issue?  I
 don't want to install CUPS or any other spooler program until I have a
 handle on what's happening with the lpd.  

Can you be more specific about what problems you are having with getting
printing to work?  The fact that your parallel port is being recognized
is important, but not as likely to have anything to do with why you
cannot print.  At what state are you getting hung up?  What specific
errors are you getting, and from which programs?  Unless you are some
sort of wizard with writing your own print filters you are going to need
some sort of application to help you manage printing, such as apsfilter,
or CUPS.

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Re: installation of SSH port failing

On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 10:29:47AM -0600, Dean Pohlabel wrote:
 Hi there,
 I'm trying to upgrade my version of SSH from 3.5p1 to 3.8.1p1 on a FreeBSD 
 4.10 machine.  SSH 3.5p1 is working just fine, but I don't see it listed in 
 either /var/db/pkg or /var/db/ports so I don't have a good way of 
 uninstalling (that I know of).  When I try to install the newer version, I 
 get:
 
 
 /usr/include/gssapi.h:595: previous declaration of `gss_export_name'
 /usr/local/include/gssapi/gssapi.h:803: conflicting types for 
 `gss_duplicate_name'

You have two versions of kerberos installed (base system and port).  I
don't know why it's including both.

Kris


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Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-27 Thread Micheal Patterson

.

- Original Message - 
From: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Micheal Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:24 AM
Subject: RE: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

I'll make this short, sweet, and to the point. The Human Race, is by nature
a lazy race. We, as in, ALL humans, strive to make our life easier. I'm well
aware of monopolies and their effect on us. I'm also aware of how technology
has changed our lives. If you think that you, or I don't have it easy? Go
check out the Amish. Ask them about why they don't have autos, or computers,
electricity, running water, internal plumbing or any other item you and I
take for granted on a day to day basis. Live for a year in the middle east
in a tent, with none of those items and tell me that you'd not be thrilled
to have a toilet to sit on again.

As for your Milk monopoly, a few words, Pail, Bucket and grab an udder and
roll your own. Unless you own the source of a product, you can't
monopolize it, or prevent others from undercutting you.

Don't harp on me about the internet and it's creation and how or why it was
designed. I know why it was designed as I was a part of the US Air Forces
side of it's inception. It's initial civilian usage was designed to allow
colleagues from the testing universities to share data quickly and
efficiently. DNS was designed because a host file couldn't hold every host
that used it. The US Military had an interest in it as a possible redundant
network in the event that Autovon, or Autodin failed and wanted a
non-centralized network that could still function in the event of
catastrophic failure of their internal communications network.

Bottom Line.

We're lazy, we've always been lazy and damn it, we WILL always look for
something easier, more convienient that can do more.

So, to you, Windows is harder to administrate, to me Unix is harder to
administrate. Who do you think's had to spend more time on the phone getting
someone else to answer their questions and who's had to look it all up
themself? I don't call MS for my issues.

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[OT] Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-27 Thread Ed Budd

little snip
I'll make this short, sweet, and to the point. The Human Race, is by nature
a lazy race. We, as in, ALL humans, strive to make our life easier. I'm well
aware of monopolies and their effect on us. I'm also aware of how technology
has changed our lives. If you think that you, or I don't have it easy? Go
check out the Amish. Ask them about why they don't have autos, or computers,
electricity, running water, internal plumbing or any other item you and I
take for granted on a day to day basis. Live for a year in the middle east
in a tent, with none of those items and tell me that you'd not be thrilled
to have a toilet to sit on again.
BIG SNIP
We're lazy, we've always been lazy and damn it, we WILL always look for
something easier, more convienient that can do more.

It doesn't seem to matter whether the topic is international affairs or 
computer science, when the discussion degenerates to grandiose and 
overgeneralized assessments regarding human nature it's time for the 
thread to die, at least IMHO.

EB
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ATA Slave Devices

2004-10-27 Thread Jim Chapman

I have 2 devices that will not work as slaves. They are a CD-RW drive 
and an IDE tape drive. They both work fine as masters. They give a message

ATA identify retries exceeded
during the boot.
I have tried different combinations of masters and slaves and different 
cables. The bios recognizes them as slaves.

Has anyone else experienced this problem?
Thanks.
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Re: FreeBSD 5.2.1 / XFree86 4.3 .0 on Dell Inspiron 5000

2004-10-27 Thread epilogue

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:41:00 -0700 (PDT)
orig injun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,

I am wondering if somebody can help me get X up and running on
my Dell Inspiron 5000 Laptop.

hello,

most likely. it has been running just fine on mine for years now.

After installing the OS and X, I generated XF86Config using
XFree86 -configure. I am attaching the file below. When I
run 'startx' with this configuration file in /etc/X11, the
machine just hangs.

The console shows:
xauth: (argv):1: bad display name machinename:0 in list
command

xauth: (stdin):2: bad display name machinename:0 in add
command

i haven't bumped into either of these errors before, but whenever i'm in
doubt, i google. did you?

http://www.google.ca/search?q=xauth:+(argv):1:+bad+display+namesourceid=operanum=30ie=utf-8oe=utf-8

just from a cursory glance at the hits, methinks your 'hostname' might
be the issue.

followed by XFree86 and FreeBSD version information
before it freezes. Nothing gets written to XFree86.0.log

I am running FreeBSD 5.2.1 Release #0 as downloaded from
freebsd.org. The XFree86 version that comes with this is
4.3.0 released on 27 February 2003. The machine itself is
a 500Mhz PIII laptop with 256MB or RAM. Is X supposed to
work with this configuration. If so, could somebody tell
me what I am doing wrong or send me a good XF86Config
file.

My only alternative would be to try Linux (Fedora 2 or
Gentoo) but I would much prefer to stick with FreeBSD
if I can.

well, you most certainly can go that route, if you prefer not to
research the problem. however, keep in mind that X is X, regardless of
the platform upon which you decide to plop it. in other words, good
luck with that solution.

at any rate, i hope that this gets you moving in the right direction.

cheers,
epi

p.s. there are much newer versions of XFree and Xorg. both are
shipped with an autoconfigure tool. is there any reason you've
decided not to run those?
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Problems with NAT on gif interface for VPN (long post)

2004-10-27 Thread Aaron Nichols

All,
I'm having a problem getting nat to work on a gif interface. My
goal here is to have a FreeBSD host (which is the gateway for a home
network) connect to a VPN using a client vpn setup and masquerade
(nat) the network behind the FreeBSD host using a single IP provided
by the corporate VPN server.
   At this point I have racoon/ipfw/natd working to the point that I
can pass traffic over the VPN from the FreeBSD host itself just fine.
However, if I send traffic from a client on the LAN, it goes all the
way across the VPN, I see the destination host send a response and I
see the incoming ESP packet on the FreeBSD hosts wan interface, but I
never see the packet sent out the LAN and I'm having trouble tracking
where it is being dropped. If I perform a packet capture on gif0, I
see neither the outgoing or incoming traffic, which seems incorrect to
me since I do know the traffic is going out and is coming back when I
initiate it from the FreeBSD host itself.

I have started two natd processes bound to two different ports for
divert use on each interface, they are shown below.

Anyways, here are the details:

Host A (FreeBSD)
LAN: 192.168.1.1/24
WAN: a.b.c.d (dynamic IP from cable provider)

Host B (VPN server)
LAN: 10.1.8.12/24 (larger /8 behind this)
WAN: w.x.y.z

VPN client IP is 10.1.13.100

---

setkey -DP:
w.x.y.z[any] a.b.c.d[any] ip4
in ipsec
esp/tunnel/w.x.y.z-a.b.c.d/require
spid=67 seq=3 pid=94282
refcnt=1
10.0.0.0/8[any] 10.1.13.100[any] any
in ipsec
esp/tunnel/w.x.y.z-a.b.c.d/require
spid=69 seq=2 pid=94282
refcnt=1
a.b.c.d[any] w.x.y.z[any] ip4
out ipsec
esp/tunnel/a.b.c.d-w.x.y.z/require
spid=66 seq=1 pid=94282
refcnt=1
10.1.13.100[any] 10.0.0.0/8[any] any
out ipsec
esp/tunnel/a.b.c.d-w.x.y.z/require
spid=68 seq=0 pid=94282
refcnt=1

---

Relevant routing entries
DestinationGatewayFlagsRefs  Use  Netif Expire
10 10.1.8.12  UGSc1 9098   gif0
10.1.8.12  10.1.13.100UH  10   gif0

---

ifconfig:

xl0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
inet6 fe80::260:8ff:fea5:d095%xl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1
inet a.b.c.d netmask 0xfe00 broadcast 255.255.255.255
ether 00:60:08:a5:d0:95
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex)
status: active
vr0: flags=8943UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,PROMISC,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
inet6 fe80::250:8dff:fe5d:c6d%vr0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2
inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 0x broadcast 192.168.1.2
ether 00:50:8d:5d:0c:6d
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex)
status: active
gif0: flags=28151UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,PROMISC,MULTICAST mtu 1280
tunnel inet a.b.c.d -- w.x.y.z
inet6 fe80::260:8ff:fea5:d095%gif0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x8
inet 10.1.13.100 -- 10.1.8.12 netmask 0x

---

natd processes (latter is setup for debugging):

/sbin/natd -dynamic -use_sockets -unregistered_only -n xl0
/sbin/natd -v -l -n gif0 -log_denied -p 8669

---

ipfw show

(Yes, this set isn't that clean - it's been hacked up while trying to
figure out this issue - please forgive any redundancies or
ineficiencies you see unless they may impact this problem)

00100 1458262 852524563 divert 8668 ip from any to any via xl0
002003436370488 divert 8669 ip from any to any via gif0
00300   0 0 check-state
00400  890895 403006370 allow ip from any to any keep-state out xmit xl0
00500   0 0 allow ip from any to any keep-state via gif0
00600   4   432 allow esp from any to any
00700   0 0 allow udp from any to me 500 in
008002770   5371008 allow ip from any to any via lo0
00900 1364895 918328465 allow ip from any to any keep-state via vr0
010006699   1015786 allow tcp from any to any 22 keep-state in
01100   44273  13145900 allow tcp from any to any 25 keep-state in
012003361   1924613 allow tcp from any to any 80 keep-state in
01300 392 26364 allow icmp from any to any
01400   55996  18161747 deny log ip from any to any
65535 104 11992 deny ip from any to any

--

So, at this point when I send traffic from a machine on the LAN, I can
confirm the following:

NAT seems to work based on the debug output of natd:
Out [ICMP] [ICMP] 192.168.1.101 - 10.1.2.115 8(0) aliased to
   [ICMP] 10.1.13.100 - 10.1.2.115 8(0)

I see the icmp packet reach the other side of the VPN via tcpdump, and
I see an icmp echo response sent back. If I sniff my xl0 interface
while doing this I see the following:

11:03:34.093263 a.b.c.d  w.x.y.z: ESP(spi=0xa9c55011,seq=0x5)
11:03:34.128605 w.x.y.z  a.b.c.d.167: ESP(spi=0x0dcf2aab,seq=0x5)

These packets correspond w/ the ICMP request/response I see on the
other side of the

MRTG monitoring specific ports

2004-10-27 Thread Spades

Hi,
Is there anyway for us to trace the server bandwidth based on
specific ports on a MRTG graph?
Such as smtp bandwidth? port 25
pop3 bandwidth? port 110
web bandwidth? port 80
dns bandwidth? port 53
Is there any program or can MRTG do, please advise, thanks.
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Re: Sorry

2004-10-27 Thread W. D.

At 04:18 10/27/2004, Jaime Moss wrote:
I am looking at non Microsoft platforms for a mail server.

Does FreeBSD have one in it ?

Yes.  I use qmail--it's very good with high volume.


I will also be looking at Linux.

What is the differnce between FreeBSD and Linux?

They are both good operating systems.  Many people prefer
FreeBSD because of the ease of installing and maintaining
software via the 'Ports' system.

More in depth explantions via links are on my FreeBSD Install
page:
http://www.US-Webmasters.com/FreeBSD/Install/

Also on that page is a link to Mail-Archive.com where
you can search the FreeBSD archives:
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Welcome to FreeBSD--no reason to be sorry!  ;^)



Kind regards

Jaime Moss
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Re: MRTG monitoring specific ports

2004-10-27 Thread Joe Marcus Clarke

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| Is there anyway for us to trace the server bandwidth based on
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|
| Such as smtp bandwidth? port 25
| pop3 bandwidth? port 110
| web bandwidth? port 80
| dns bandwidth? port 53
|
| Is there any program or can MRTG do, please advise, thanks.
I use net/ntop of this.  Ntop can also output Netflow data or RRDTool
data, and has some built-in MRTG-like graphs.  All-in-all, it's a great
tool for traffic analysis.
Joe
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Re: 4.10 - 5.2.1

2004-10-27 Thread Jeremy Faulkner

On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 12:42, Mini Me wrote:
 like http://home.nyc.rr.com/computertaijutsu/FreeBSD53.html ?
 

That describes the basic update procedure to build from source. Not
specifically to update 4.10 - 5.x

Your best hope to do the update remotely is:
http://www.daemonology.net/depenguinator/
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pf moved to the base system, please build it from there

2004-10-27 Thread FreeBsdBeni

Hi,

I've upgraded from 5.2.1 to 5.3-release and I had to rebuild quite some ports. 
So far all went ok (I think...). But then I came on pf. And when I tried to 
make reinstall, it gave me just a pf moved to the base system, please 
build it from there message. I launched sysinstall but I didn't find 
anything relating to pf. How do I (re)build pf from the base system ?
In my kernel I've added the devices pf, pflog and pfsync. 
Thanks for the help !
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Re: Serial console weirdness

2004-10-27 Thread Emanuel Strobl

Am Dienstag, 26. Oktober 2004 18:18 schrieb Mark Cullen:
Mark Cullen wrote:
Artem Kazakov wrote:
Mark Cullen wrote:
Ok, I am having a bit of trouble setting up a serial console login. The
cable is attached to com1, heres my /etc/ttys

# The 'dialup' keyword identifies dialin lines to login, fingerd etc.
ttyd0 /usr/libexec/getty std.115200 dialup on secure

Now, my problem is that when I do a kill -HUP 1 nothing happens; Well, I
am sure something happens, it certainly doesn't start getty on that
serial port though! However(!) when I start getty manually on that port:

/usr/libexec/getty std.9600 ttyd0

It promptly goes into the background and on my other machine I get the
login prompt and all is well (until I logout as getty isn't being
respawned). I didn't see anything logged as to why it's not working.

I will mention that I yanked the (very very broken) graphics card out of
that machine, so there's no ttyv's. Do I need to make the serial console
my ... console/display for getty to start working again perhaps?

Any help would be much appreciated.

probably you need to change dialup with something (like vt100) sutable
your enviroment

I have tried cons25, xterm and (now) vt100. It's not that...

# Serial terminals
# The 'dialup' keyword identifies dialin lines to login, fingerd etc.
ttyd0 /usr/libexec/getty std.115200 cons25 on secure
ttyd1 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600 dialup off secure
ttyd2 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600 dialup off secure
ttyd3 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600 dialup off secure
# Dumb console
dcons /usr/libexec/getty std.9600 vt100 off secure
# Pseudo terminals
ttyp0 nonenetwork
/etc/ttys: 307 lines, 7539 characters
(root|bone)/home/mrboo# kill -HUP 1
(root|bone)/home/mrboo# ps ax | grep getty
21134 p0 R+ 0:00.02 grep getty
(root|bone)/home/mrboo#

Note: I have no getty processes as there's no graphics card, so I am
guessing if it was working right I would start to see a:

/usr/libexec/getty std.115200 ttyd0

It appears in the process list (and works) when I run the above manually!

I'll reply to myself here.

I just now created /boot.config with -h, rebooted, and all is well. With
the added bonus of it being a serial console at the boot loader part. I
am impressed :)

Can't seem to get it to work with anything other than 9600 (even though
the process list shows std.115200), but it gives me some sort of of
display to work with during the boot process atleast :)

You can use the sysctl machdep.conspeed to change the console speed. But it's
not a loader tunable, for boot-speed you need to remake all
in /usr/src/sys/boot after you set BOOT_COMCONSOLE_SPEED= 115200
in /etc/make.conf.

I had a self-answering thread started in -current a view weeks ago, see
http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=2026740+0+archive/2004/freebsd-current/20041017.freebsd-current

-Harry

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Re: pf moved to the base system, please build it from there

2004-10-27 Thread Matthew Seaman

On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 09:16:18PM +0200, FreeBsdBeni wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I've upgraded from 5.2.1 to 5.3-release and I had to rebuild quite some ports. 
 So far all went ok (I think...). But then I came on pf. And when I tried to 
 make reinstall, it gave me just a pf moved to the base system, please 
 build it from there message. I launched sysinstall but I didn't find 
 anything relating to pf. How do I (re)build pf from the base system ?
 In my kernel I've added the devices pf, pflog and pfsync. 
 Thanks for the help !

Either you load the pf related modules into the kernel you're running
at the moment[1], or you build a custom kernel with all of the pf stuff
compiled into it.

Cheers,

Matthew

[1] This may well happen automatically if you try and configure a pf
firewall ruleset.  You'll have to read the manual and/or try it.

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Re: FreeBSD 5.2.1 / XFree86 4.3 .0 on Dell Inspiron 5000

2004-10-27 Thread orig injun


Hello Epi,

Thanks for your kind reply. Some comments inline :

--- epilogue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:41:00 -0700 (PDT)
 orig injun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
   Hello,
   
   I am wondering if somebody can help me get X up and running on
   my Dell Inspiron 5000 Laptop. 
 
 hello,
 
 most likely.  it has been running just fine on mine for years now.

That's good to know. Could you mail me your XF86Config file. Even
if versions of X vary, I can use it as a guide for my config.

Just as an FYI, I had RH Linux 6.2 running on this box before and
the version of X that shipped with it worked fine for 4 years.

  
   After installing the OS and X, I generated XF86Config using
   XFree86 -configure. I am attaching the file below. When I
   run 'startx' with this configuration file in /etc/X11, the
   machine just hangs. 
   
   The console shows:
   xauth: (argv):1: bad display name machinename:0 in list 
   command
  
   xauth: (stdin):2: bad display name machinename:0 in add
   command
 
 i haven't bumped into either of these errors before, but whenever i'm
 in
 doubt, i google.  did you?
 

http://www.google.ca/search?q=xauth:+(argv):1:+bad+display+namesourceid=operanum=30ie=utf-8oe=utf-8
 
 just from a cursory glance at the hits, methinks your 'hostname'
 might
 be the issue.

Yes, I saw posts which indicated that. I obscured the hostname
in my mail, but as best I can see, the host and domain names are
set correctly on the machine. So I am a bit surprised that X
doesn't pick it up. It turns out that X wants to look for
a hostname in /etc/hosts and I added the name there. The
xauth logs disappear but the machine still hangs exactly
the same way as before.

 
   followed by XFree86 and FreeBSD version information
   before it freezes. Nothing gets written to XFree86.0.log
   
   I am running FreeBSD 5.2.1 Release #0 as downloaded from
   freebsd.org. The XFree86 version that comes with this is
   4.3.0 released on 27 February 2003. The machine itself is
   a 500Mhz PIII laptop with 256MB or RAM. Is X supposed to
   work with this configuration. If so, could somebody tell
   me what I am doing wrong or send me a good XF86Config 
   file.
   
   My only alternative would be to try Linux (Fedora 2 or 
   Gentoo) but I would much prefer to stick with FreeBSD
   if I can.
 
 well, you most certainly can go that route, if you prefer not to
 research the problem.  however, keep in mind that X is X, regardless
 of
 the platform upon which you decide to plop it.  in other words, good
 luck with that solution.
 
 at any rate, i hope that this gets you moving in the right direction.
 
 
 cheers,
 epi
 
 p.s. there are much newer versions of XFree and Xorg.  both are
 shipped with an autoconfigure tool.  is there any reason you've
 decided not to run those?

I was hoping to take the path of least resistance and use the
out-of-the-box version. Using a more recent version of X is a 
good suggestion and I will look into it...

Thanks again,
Anouk.

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Re: ATA Slave Devices

2004-10-27 Thread Lowell Gilbert

Jim Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I have 2 devices that will not work as slaves. They are a CD-RW drive
 and an IDE tape drive. They both work fine as masters. They give a
 message
 
 ATA identify retries exceeded
 
 during the boot.
 
 I have tried different combinations of masters and slaves and
 different cables. The bios recognizes them as slaves.
 
 Has anyone else experienced this problem?

If you set something up as a slave, make sure that there is a master
on that bus.
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Disk Problems

2004-10-27 Thread Hexren

In which log file should I look to find disk error messages, and which
variable controls the log level for this kind of Problems (if there is
any)

Background.
I have FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p11 running and serving my windows client
a few samba shares. (2 shares from 2 physicaly different disks to be
exact) Now when I safe something from a Firefox session running on the
Windows machine to samba share 1 my Firefox slows to a crawl. I
suspect that the Disk share 1 is located on is faulty because I do not
experience any strange behavior when saving to another disk (including
share 2)

I have cranked the Samaba Log variable up and got this error messages:
-
[2004/10/27 22:28:45, 3] smbd/error.c:error_packet(113)
  error packet at smbd/trans2.c(1721) cmd=50 (SMBtrans2) 
NT_STATUS_OBJECT_NAME_NOT_FOUND
[2004/10/27 22:28:45, 3] smbd/error.c:error_packet(113)
  error packet at smbd/trans2.c(1042) cmd=50 (SMBtrans2) NT_STATUS_NO_SUCH_FILE
-

Thx for any help
Hexren

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Re: 5.3 external ehci dvd drive

2004-10-27 Thread jason

Dick Davies wrote:
Just got a new usb 2 enclosure and swapped out my internal cd/dvd drive to
it. I can mount it fine on 5.3 as cd(4) over umass(4) but it's too slow to
play DVDs over. 

Has anyone got this working, and is there a step I've missed?
The 1Mb/s speed line looks worrying, though usbdevs does show it hanging off
echi
cd0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
cd0: SAMSUNG CDRW/DVD SM-348B T503 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device 
cd0: 1.000MB/s transfers

?
 

I just saw on the list where FreeBSD does not have full usb2 support in 
the drivers yet.  The currents drivers will allow operation, but not at 
the new speeds.
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Re: 4.10 - 5.2.1

In a message dated 10/27/04 6:49:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Where can i find a step by step upgrade method (from FreeBSD 4.10 to 5.2.1)?
Sorry if I seem lazy, but is somehow urgent (because a Plesk interface
must be installed).
Please post any link you think might be useful.

Why would you want to do that? Its like going from a Mercedes to an Pinto.
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Re: 4.10 - 5.2.1

2004-10-27 Thread Svein Halvor Halvorsen


[EMAIL PROTECTED], 2004-10-27]
  In a message dated 10/27/04 6:49:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Where can i find a step by step upgrade method (from FreeBSD 4.10 to 5.2.1)?
  Sorry if I seem lazy, but is somehow urgent (because a Plesk interface
  must be installed).
  Please post any link you think might be useful.
  
  Why would you want to do that? Its like going from a Mercedes to an Pinto.


Would you please use any form of quoting character to prefix the qouted 
lines of your reply? Any style would suffice. It's very hard to read your 
emails without.


Svein Halvor
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Re: GPL vs BSD Licence

In a message dated 10/27/04 4:49:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is yet another example of the GPL license flaw.  While any of the
copyright holders of the Linux kernel could sue Allot, if they don't,
it pretty much builds evidence that is going to help those that
would argue that the GPL is uninforceable.

There's been a couple of other GPL cases like this - of infringement
that is being ignored.  One of these days I'm going to have to gather
up all these and write an article on it.
^-

A problem with suing a company with a team of lawyers is that is will
cost you a fortune, and what do you get? They have to agree not to
sell it anymore? Its a pretty big project proving the validity of a license
thats never really been seriously tested. You can't really claim damages 
if you have no intention of making money as a basic premise (and 3 
times nothing is nothing). So they probably figure no one is going to do it.
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Need some ideas

2004-10-27 Thread Bob Bomar

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fast forward/rewind/stop/play/pause/next/prev, etc.  I tried hacking a
keyboard, but I didnt get too far.  The one serial port on the machine 
is taken,
so it needs to be parallel or USB.

Anybody have any ideas?
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Software or hardware RAID1. (gstripe)

2004-10-27 Thread Thordur I.

I´m currently trying to decide upon a sultion on how to go about keepin 
my data safe.

Now, a RAID1 setup sounds good in this position. But I can´t seem to 
find an answer to one question.

Let´s say that I have 2x 120Gb (ad1 and ad2) disk. I stripe them wich 
should give something like /dev/stripe/foo  (either with gstripe or a 
hardware raid controler.)

Now I fill this striped volume with data, and ad1 dies.
What happen´s ?
Does gstripe alert my that ad1 has died and will I still be able to 
access /dev/stripe/foo ?
And when I shut the box down, remove ad1 and insert another (identical 
disk) to restore the stripe, what then ? (assume the same bus ofcourse)

I have tryed to google this up but to no avail.
Any help is well appriceated.
With kind regards,
Thordur I.
PS: CC my for I´m not on the list. (Btw, do list members consider this a 
bother for if so I would just subscripe to the list (currently though 
I´m supscried to what I think are to many lists :))

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Re: 4.10 - 5.2.1

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Would you please use any form of quoting character to prefix the qouted 
lines of your reply? Any style would suffice. It's very hard to read your 
emails without.
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Re[2]: 4.10 - 5.2.1

2004-10-27 Thread Hexren

Tac In a message dated 10/27/04 4:55:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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Tac Would you please use any form of quoting character to prefix the qouted 
Tac lines of your reply? Any style would suffice. It's very hard to read your 
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Seeking help resolving an apparent device conflict

2004-10-27 Thread Jim McIntosh

Thanks for considering my dilemma.

I have installed 5.1 on old PC and am having trouble with the NIC.  Although
I was able with the help of a couple of 'set hint' statements at boot loader
to use the NIC to use ftp for the installation, now the NIC is unavailable
after re-booting.  After having some time searching for and reading
information about the process, I believe the problem resides in a device
conflict, but I do not know how to resolve it.  Most of what I read explains
how to resolve such things before version 5.0 using 'userconfig' which is
deprecated in 5.0.  I understand the notion of hints but not exactly how to
use them to resolve my conflict.  In fact, I am not sure how to interpret
the output from dmesg in order to pinpoint the actual problem.  How do I
determine what to ignore and what is important?  I can see that the NIC is
recognized early on.  I also see some suspicious stuff about PNP devices
later, but if they are the problem, I am not sure how to resolve them.

I would appreciate some help in understanding how to go about problem
solving this.  Looking at the dmesg output, can you see the problem with the
NIC?  If so, how?  What is a good resource for explaining this process?

Thanks for you help.
Here is my dmesg output:

Copyright (c) 1992-2003 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
  The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE #0: Thu Jun  5 02:55:42 GMT 2003
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
Preloaded elf kernel /boot/kernel/kernel at 0xc0689000.
Calibrating clock(s) ... i8254 clock: 1193312 Hz
CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency
Timecounter i8254  frequency 1193182 Hz
Calibrating TSC clock ... TSC clock: 200455409 Hz
Timecounter TSC  frequency 200455409 Hz
CPU: Pentium/P54C (200.46-MHz 586-class CPU)
  Origin = GenuineIntel  Id = 0x52c  Stepping = 12
  Features=0x1bfFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8
real memory  = 33554432 (32 MB)
Physical memory chunk(s):
0x1000 - 0x0009efff, 647168 bytes (158 pages)
0x006b - 0x01f49fff, 25796608 bytes (6298 pages)
avail memory = 25726976 (24 MB)
bios32: Found BIOS32 Service Directory header at 0xc00fae70
bios32: Entry = 0xfb2f0 (c00fb2f0)  Rev = 0  Len = 1
pcibios: PCI BIOS entry at 0xf+0xb320
pnpbios: Found PnP BIOS data at 0xc00fc020
pnpbios: Entry = f:c048  Rev = 1.0
Other BIOS signatures found:
Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug
wlan: 802.11 Link Layer
null: null device, zero device
random: entropy source
mem: memory  I/O
npx0: math processor on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
pci_open(1):  mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x805c
pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x8000 (0x8000)
pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=06] [hdr=00] is there (id=12508086)
pcibios: BIOS version 2.10
pcib0: Host to PCI bridge at pcibus 0 on motherboard
pci0: PCI bus on pcib0
pci0: physical bus=0
found- vendor=0x8086, dev=0x1250, revid=0x03
  bus=0, slot=0, func=0
  class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
  cmdreg=0x0006, statreg=0x2200, cachelnsz=0 (dwords)
  lattimer=0x20 (960 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns)
found- vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7000, revid=0x01
  bus=0, slot=7, func=0
  class=06-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1
  cmdreg=0x000f, statreg=0x0280, cachelnsz=0 (dwords)
  lattimer=0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns)
  map[20]: type 4, range 32, base f000, size  4, enabled
found- vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7010, revid=0x00
  bus=0, slot=7, func=1
  class=01-01-80, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
  cmdreg=0x0005, statreg=0x0280, cachelnsz=0 (dwords)
  lattimer=0x20 (960 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns)
  map[10]: type 4, range 32, base 6000, size  7, enabled
  map[14]: type 1, range 32, base e400, size  7, enabled
found- vendor=0x10b7, dev=0x7646, revid=0x30
  bus=0, slot=9, func=0
  class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
  cmdreg=0x0007, statreg=0x0210, cachelnsz=8 (dwords)
  lattimer=0x20 (960 ns), mingnt=0x0a (2500 ns), maxlat=0x0a (2500 ns)
  intpin=a, irq=11
  powerspec 1  supports D0 D1 D2 D3  current D0
  map[10]: type 1, range 32, base e000, size 26, enabled
found- vendor=0x5333, dev=0x8811, revid=0x54
  bus=0, slot=10, func=0
  class=03-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
  cmdreg=0x0003, statreg=0x0200, cachelnsz=0 (dwords)
  lattimer=0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns)
  intpin=a, irq=10
isab0: PCI-ISA bridge at device 7.0 on pci0
isa0: ISA bus on isab0
atapci0: Intel PIIX3 WDMA2 controller port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on
pci0
ata0: pre reset mask=03 ostat0=50 ostat2=00
ata0-master: ATAPI 00 00
ata0-slave: ATAPI 00 00
ata0: after reset mask=03 stat0=50 stat1=00
ata0-master: ATA 01 a5
ata0: devices=01
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: pre reset mask=01 ostat0=50 ostat2=ff
ata1-master: ATAPI 14 eb
ata1: after reset mask=01 stat0=00 stat1=00
ata1: devices=04
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
xl0:

getloadavg and source for /usr/bin/uptime

2004-10-27 Thread David Jenkins

Hi,

I'm running 5.3-RC1 and am trying to develop a (VERY) simple C based
tool to retrieve the system loads (as reported by uptime).

NB - I don't want to pipe uptime into awk or use a perl script etc,
I'd much prefer it to be C based.

As I'm dreadful at C I thought I'd look at the source for the uptime
program as that uses getloadavg from what I gather and modify it to
suit my needs.

The problem is, and I'm obviously being a bit stupid here, I can't
find the sources for it ... ?

I've grep'd and searched the entire source tree a good few times but
can't seem to find it. I've googled for things like freebsd uptime
or freebsd uptime.c as well as many others but have had no joy, and
have read what I believe to be the relevant manpages.

If any knows where it's hiding (or why it's not there) I'd be very
grateful if you could share it with me.

Many thanks,
David
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Re: GPL vs BSD Licence

In a message dated 10/27/04 12:59:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you buy a product what would you want ? A pretty box or pretty
software ? Finishing the product is just marketing and trying to make
a very pretty box to put the software in. When something is open
source and you want to sell it you are forced to make it the best
peace of code out there. Its what i call healthy competition. For me
open source translates into If you think you can do better be my
guest Finishing a product and making it closed source is just plain
wrong. Its  like stealing from the church basket. Every body shares
something and you want to take it and keep it for your self.
^

I want :

1) a product thats finshed. Not with a long TODO list of basic features
2) a product that is bulletproof (or near so), that doesnt have only
25% of cases tested
3) a product that I don't have to spend 3 weeks of my time (@$300/hr)
to get to the point that I can use it
4) a product where I have a contact that I can ask questions, and that
I can expect to get obviously broken things fixed

Any marginal programmer can write programs that do stuff. Getting people
to be willing to pay for it is an entirely different level of talent and work.
Its not just marketing. Marketing comes AFTER you have a product.

Are people who have written custom GUI front ends for Linux stealing? 
They're not stealing, they are getting paid for the value that they've added.
Are people that sell bottled water stealing? No one is forcing you to pay
for water. But its been cleaned and nicely packaged and it fits in your
cupholder, so you buy it.
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Re: getloadavg and source for /usr/bin/uptime

2004-10-27 Thread Tillman Hodgson

On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 11:09:46PM +0100, David Jenkins wrote:
 NB - I don't want to pipe uptime into awk or use a perl script etc,
 I'd much prefer it to be C based.

If you *did* want to do it that way, something like

  uptime | sed -e 's/.*: \([0-9.]*\).*/\1/'

is handy.

 If any knows where it's hiding (or why it's not there) I'd be very
 grateful if you could share it with me.

Probably because /usr/bin/uptime is a hard link to the /usr/bin/w
binary. I think you want the code from /usr/src/usr.bin/w/w.c.

-T


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Re: Opteron problem after recompile is ffs_mountroot: can't find rootvp

2004-10-27 Thread Peter G

thx Kris

i went over the kernel config file and it doesn't seem
so, i successfully made another 3 kernels w/ more and
more components in each, up to the point where the
only items i did away with were just the NiC cards teh
machine dowsn't have. In each case they all compile
fine BUT they all fail on bootup w/ exact same message
as the subject line above.

I did some digging in the mail list archives and it
seems this was a problem w/ the Sparc64 line early
last spring. Was this resolved or is it now appearing
in this amd64 ARCH that i'm using??

Is there another mail list i should be posting to
specifically for the amd64?

thx

--- Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 07:51:07AM -0700, Peter G
 wrote:
  . any suggestions?
 
 You removed too much from your kernel config file
 relative to GENERIC?
 
 Kris


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snd_neomagic kldloads, then 5.2.1-p11 freezes

2004-10-27 Thread Jan Stary

Hello,

I am running FreeBSD 5.2.1-p11 on a Dell Latitude LS notebook. (See
KERNCONF and dmesg at the end.) Nearly everything is working fine,
except for the sound chip.

I built the sound stuff as modules (sound/pcm + sound/driver/neomagic,
resulting in snd_pcm + snd_neomagic).

When I try to insert the module, I get

# kldload snd_neomagic
pcm0: NeoMagic 256AV mem 0xfea0-0xfeaf,0xf780-0xf7bf, irq 10, device 
0.1 on pci1

and then the system freezes. If I compile pcm right into the kernel, the
freeze occurs during bootime with the same message.

I also have wi0 running at irq 10 (see dmesg); when I don't use it (no
card in, no device attached to wi0, irq 10 not used by anything), the
freeze ocuurs all the same.

Suspecting some conflict between devices using irq 10, I said
hint.pcm.0.irq=5 in /boot/device.hints (irq 5 is not used by
anything), but kldloading snd_neomagic still tries to use irq 10
- why is that? What is the right way of telling a device which irq to
use?


Before I even found that it is a NeoMagic, I built all the sound modules
and tried kldloading them. Some of them just loaded and nothing happened
(I probably don't have any device they could serve), some resulted in

# kldload snd_ad1816
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0x4000
sio1: port may not be enabled

# kldload snd_ess
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio1: port may not be enabled
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio1: port may not be enabled
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio1: port may not be enabled

# kldload snd_mss
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio1: port may not be enabled
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio1: port may not be enabled
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio1: port may not be enabled

# kldload speaker
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio1: port may not be enabled
speaker0 port0x61 on acpi0

Why does kldloading a sound module have to do anything with sio1?
Where is irq 3 'configured' to be used? (by the sound module?)

So I also disabled sio1 in device.hints (hint.sio.1.disabled=1) - there
is only one sio at the machine anyway.

I use ACPI - does it have anything to do with my problem?
(with ACPI, devices are 'on acpi0', not on 'on isa0' etc.)

Thanks

Jan

This is my KERNCONF:

# DELL -- kernel configuration file for FreeBSD/i386 on Dell Latitude LS

ident   DELL
machine i386
cpu I686_CPU
#optionsCPU_SUSP_HALT   # suspend on halt
#optionsCPU_UPGRADE_HW_CACHE # eliminates unneeded cache flushes
#optionsPERFMON

#hints  GENERIC.hints # Default places to look for devices.
#makeoptionsDEBUG=-g# Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols

options SCHED_ULE   # ULE scheduler

options INET# InterNETworking
options INET6   # IPv6 communications protocols
options IPSEC
options IPSEC_DEBUG
options BRIDGE

options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem
options SOFTUPDATES # Enable FFS soft updates support
options UFS_ACL # Support for access control lists
options UFS_DIRHASH # Improve performance on big directories
options MD_ROOT # MD is a potential root device

options PROCFS  # Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS)
options PSEUDOFS# Pseudo-filesystem framework
options GEOM_GPT# GUID Partition Tables.
options COMPAT_43   # Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!]
options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 # Compatible with FreeBSD4
#optionsSCSI_DELAY=15000# Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI
options KTRACE  # ktrace(1) support
options SYSVSHM # SYSV-style shared memory
options SYSVMSG # SYSV-style message queues
options SYSVSEM # SYSV-style semaphores
options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time extensions
options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV# install a CDEV entry in /dev

# Bus support.  Do not remove isa, even if you have no isa slots
device  isa
device  eisa
device  pci

# Floppy drives
#device fdc

# ATA and ATAPI devices
device  ata
device  atadisk # ATA disk drives
device  atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives
device  atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives
options ATA_STATIC_ID   # Static device numbering

# atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse
device  atkbdc  # AT keyboard controller
device  atkbd   # AT keyboard
device  psm # PS/2 mouse

device  vga # VGA video card driver
device  agp # support several AGP chipsets
#optionsVESA

device  splash  # Splash screen and screen saver support
device  sc  # syscons: the default console driver

# Floating

RE: font size on console.

2004-10-27 Thread Hauan, David

 -Original Message-
 From: Eric Kjeldergaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 5:28 PM
 To: Giorgos Keramidas
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: font size on console.

 On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:15:34 +0300, Giorgos Keramidas 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 2004-10-25 08:48, pixiedave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   hey all, is therer a way to adjust the resolution on 
 the console?  
   I have played around with the settings in sysinstall, but it does 
   not apear to do anything.  I have huge characters, and like small 
   size fonts and more real estate.

   If it matters, ATI 7500 TV card and a 17 inch lcd 
 display. Running 
   6.0 on a P4 Intel Board.

  You can always try to kldload vesa.ko at boot time and then 
 experiment 
  with VESA 800x600 modes:

  # vidcontrol -g 100x37 VESA_800x600

 Even without the VESA being loaded, setting appropriate fonts 
 and doing a vidcontrol 80x60 will be a big help.  I run the 
 80x60 on my laptop which is a radeon 7500 14 LCD.  It gives 
 me a LOT more text area.  man vidcontrol is the real resource 
 on the matter.

  Someone was working on improved VESA support for the 
 FreeBSD console. 
  The last time I checked the patch that floated around the -current 
  mailing list, it supported 800x600 modes, 1024x768, even 
 1280x1024 on 
  some adapters.

  Then, there's always X11 :-)

 I didn't know that one could pass 1024x768.  Thought there 
 was some or another issue with it, but maybe that's just for 
 displaying splash images.

So where is the best place to load this at boot so when
all users log in they get the vidcontrol settings I set.

thanks
dave
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Re: getloadavg and source for /usr/bin/uptime

2004-10-27 Thread David Jenkins

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:14:18 -0600, Tillman Hodgson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Probably because /usr/bin/uptime is a hard link to the /usr/bin/w
 binary. I think you want the code from /usr/src/usr.bin/w/w.c.

D'oh.

That's exactly what I'm after.

Thanks,
David
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Self-healing portversion?

2004-10-27 Thread Steven Friedrich

I ran portversion to check my ports after a make update, followed by portsdb 
-Uu.

First time I ran portversion, it spewed errors. Second time it ran without 
error.

Here's the session.

% portsdb -Uu
Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please wait..Warning: 
Duplicate INDEX entry: freeciv-gtk2-1.14.1
Warning: Duplicate INDEX entry: fvwm-imlib-2.4.19
 Done.
done
[Updating the portsdb format:bdb1_hash in /usr/ports ... - 11854 port 
entries 
found 
.1000.2000.3000.4000.5000.6000.7000.8000.9000.1.11000
 . 
done]
[EMAIL PROTECTED](p1)/usr/ports 107% portversion -l ''
[Updating the pkgdb format:bdb1_btree in /var/db/pkg ... - 273 packages 
found (-0 +6) .. done]
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:352:in `deorigin_glob': Invalid 
argument (PkgDB::DBError)
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgtools.rb:177:in 
`config_include?'
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgtools.rb:172:in `each'
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgtools.rb:172:in 
`config_include?'
from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgtools.rb:162:in 
`config_held?'
from /usr/local/sbin/portversion:310:in `check_pkgs'
from /usr/local/sbin/portversion:300:in `each'
from /usr/local/sbin/portversion:300:in `check_pkgs'
from /usr/local/sbin/portversion:260:in `main'
from /usr/local/sbin/portversion:77:in `initialize'
from /usr/local/sbin/portversion:77:in `new'
from /usr/local/sbin/portversion:77:in `main'
from /usr/local/sbin/portversion:347
[EMAIL PROTECTED](p1)/usr/ports 108% portversion -l ''
automake
docbook-xsl 
firefox 
intltool
kdegraphics 
koffice 
libflash
libidn  
openldap-client 
tcl 
teTeX   
teTeX-texmf 
tex-texmflocal  
tiff
tk  
xpdf
[EMAIL PROTECTED](p1)/usr/ports 109%
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Re: Opteron problem after recompile is ffs_mountroot: can't find rootvp