Re: Does QEMU support Windows VPN ? (5th try)
I have been trying to connect from my FreeBSD box to a Microsoft VPN. I am running Windows 2000 Pro and also Windows Millennium inside QEMU. I have also tried using both -user-net and /dev/tun0 connections. The connections fail while trying to authenticate my name and password. What does the port maintainer say? The port maintainer has not replied to my email I sent them. Am I the only one trying to use Microsoft's VPN and RemoteAccess software from within QEMU ? thx ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The FreeBSD Diary: 2005-03-06 - 2005-03-26
The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists and/or The FreeBSD Diary http://www.freebsddiary.org/. -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gcc error
On 26 Mar Kris Kennaway wrote: On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 04:24:42PM +0100, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: So, what is this and waht can be done about it? I guess it's a gcc compiler error. I deleted all gcc packages that were installed (back to the systems's version - FreeBSD-4.11R). It did not help. The error I get: c++: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations The same error happens sometimes with 'cc' Show us the full error, not a context-free excerpt. Sure I want to do that. But I'm bit of an novice. How can I grep those errors on screen to a file? -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gcc error
On 2005-03-27 10:21, Dick Hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 Mar Kris Kennaway wrote: On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 04:24:42PM +0100, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: So, what is this and waht can be done about it? I guess it's a gcc compiler error. I deleted all gcc packages that were installed (back to the systems's version - FreeBSD-4.11R). It did not help. The error I get: c++: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations The same error happens sometimes with 'cc' Show us the full error, not a context-free excerpt. Sure I want to do that. But I'm bit of an novice. How can I grep those errors on screen to a file? Before you start building anything, run script(1): $ script Script started, output file is typescript $ gcc -o hello hello.c $ exit Script done, output file is typescript Then you will have a file called 'typescript' in the current working directory, which will contain everything you typed or saw on your terminal while you were within the 'scripted shell'. Edit this file and copy whatever parts seem useful :-) - Giorgos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gcc error
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:36:32 +0300 Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2005-03-27 10:21, Dick Hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c++: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations The same error happens sometimes with 'cc' Show us the full error, not a context-free excerpt. Sure I want to do that. But I'm bit of an novice. How can I grep those errors on screen to a file? Before you start building anything, run script(1): $ script Script started, output file is typescript $ gcc -o hello hello.c $ exit Script done, output file is typescript Ah, thank you. This will go into 'notes' ;-) Starting the recompile of kdelibs3 now.. -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE on FreeBSD 5.3
Ok, that's simple, kde is a system which use client - server mode to communicate between each application. it use the hostname to know where to listen and to know where to ask question. Well, if you set a hostname without any real sense, like vincent for example, it will try to resolv it, in order to know what is you local ip. Well, I don't know why kde don't use localhost or 127.0.0.1 despite of hostname but is like that. If you don't put your hostname in your hosts file, the resolv could be very long ... and it could failed. But if it exist in hosts file, kde ask it, and the system answer immediatly. The system go on ! ok, see ya perhaps kde developer could give a better explanation. ciao Le Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 04:24:44PM +, Rhys Campbell a écrit: From: Rhys Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: KDE on FreeBSD 5.3 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:24:44 + Merci Vincent, rc.conf was fine but added what you said to the hosts file. After a reboot apps started up very quickly. Could I bother you to briefly explain why? Thanks again. Rhys From: Bachelier Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rhys Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: KDE on FreeBSD 5.3 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:29:46 +0100 Hi, perhaps you have a problem with you host. Try to edit /etc/rc.conf find hostname if they is not one, set one exemple: hostname=vincent well, edit /etc/hosts put this: ::1 vincent 127.0.0.1 vincent well, now reload all, perhaps it would go on see ya Le Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 06:23:46PM +, Rhys Campbell a ?crit: From: Rhys Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:23:46 + Subject: KDE on FreeBSD 5.3 KDE on my FreeBSD machine is very slow to start up application. Once the application is open it is very responsive and user input. The K menu is also displayed with speed it's just that any application seems to take several minutes to open. I'm fairly new to *nix so maybe I've missed something obvious. The only thing I can think of is that maybe there are a lot of pocess running in the background that have a higher priority than desktop applications. Any ideas? -- Vincent Bachelier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Language: Francais / English Societ(e/y) : Solintech - http://www.solintech.fr - Serveurs linux Citation (fortune): The only problem with being a man of leisure is that you can never stop and take a rest. -- Vincent Bachelier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Language: Francais / English Societ(e/y) : Solintech - http://www.solintech.fr - Serveurs linux Citation (fortune): Try to find the real tense of the report you are reading: Was it done, is it being done, or is something to be done? Reports are now written in four tenses: past tense, present tense, future tense, and pretense. Watch for novel uses of CONGRAM (CONtractor GRAMmer), defined by the imperfect past, the insufficient present, and the absolutely perfect future. -- Amrom Katz ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anthony's drive issues.Re: ssh password delay
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: In a case like this it is very likely a BSD driver issue - why, because the FreeBSD driver author could not test with every custom-modified microcode when he wrote the driver. There is no list out there of every computer company who has had a source license to the Adaptec microcode and made modifications to it. And naturally you would assume that anyone making mods to the SCSI microcode would have the brains not to break it. In this case that didn't happen. Most likely HP modified the Adaptec microcode because of bugs in the disks that they were supplying with the original Vectras. I wouldn't automatically assume that there were _bugs_ in the disks. Companies that modify things in this way usually do so because they are under the mistaken impression that they can somehow build a better machine by throwing away all the standard stuff and home-brewing their own branded versions of everything (the phenomenon isn't limited to just computers, either). This is one argument _against_ buying major brands; at least when you buy a no-name brand off the shelf or build something yourself, everything on the machine is likely to be conformant to industry standards. HP probably thought they were doing the world a favor by modifying the firmware--they probably thought they were adding value, instead of diminishing compatibility and maintainability. I don't agree with them, but that's neither here nor there now. As far as I know, the disk drives themselves are off-the-shelf drives. One is a Western Digital Barracuda, and the other is a Quantum Atlas, if I remember correctly. Both were branded HP on the box, but the drives themselves carry the original manufacturers' labels. The reason he wasn't seeing problems with NT on the system was that as we all know Microsoft obtains samples of every name-brand system that is ever manufactured specifically for compatibility testing, and they probably already ran into this problem and put a workaround in their driver. This isn't nearly as universal as you imply. Microsoft is regularly bitten by custom-modified software and hardware on computers used by its customers. That includes computers built by major brands such as HP/COMPAQ, Dell, and so on. Sometimes a vendor will have a specific configuration formally certified by Microsoft for use with Windows; but if it doesn't, or if it makes any change at all in the configuration after certification, the result may not work. The most desperate customers may actually loan some of their actual machines to Microsoft PSS in order to help the latter find problems and workarounds. The hardware vendors are not always cooperative, and sometimes they seem to be clueless about their own modifications. In this case, given that this was a high-end machine from a major brand that came with Windows NT preinstalled, it may have been formally certified by Microsoft (although I removed the pre-installed copy of French Windows NT Workstation and replaced it with U.S. English Windows NT Server, which still ran okay). But things don't always turn out so happily. I have noticed a similar problem on the same Adaptec controller in a Compaq system which is running Adaptec-supplied, Compaq-modified microcode and a Quantum disk drive. I have MANY systems running the same Adaptec controller that are using genuine Adaptec adapters which are using Adaptec microcode that is not modded by some computer company, that run perfectly fine. The differences in microcode are probably minor. Hardware manufacturers may be willing to let computer companies cook up custom versions of microcode, but I daresay they are far less willing to come up with custom _hardware_ for computer companies, which would cost a fortune--no computer company is likely to bring in enough business to justify a significant hardware change. So naturally the microcode can't drift too much if it has to stay compatible with the same hardware. But it can easily drift enough to screw up the software. It is beyond comprehension why companies like Compaq and HP see fit to fuck around with the perfectly good Adaptec microcode. But the fact is that in my and in his system, they have done so. They want to be different. They think they are so important and so special that everything has to be altered by their magic touch. They fantasize that customers will say no, I don't want that standard firmware, I want REAL HP/COMPAQ firmware, it's so much nicer! Of course, that doesn't happen in real life, and if anything, the custom stuff works against them. Customers moan and groan about the custom stuff all the time. About 99% of the vendor-specific stuff serves no discernable purpose, and just makes the systems harder to use and maintain. They will run okay in the EXACT configuration that came preinstalled from the factory; but if you so much as look at a jumper, things will start to fail. His three choices are to first: try a different SCSI disk
Re: Anthony's drive issues.Re: ssh password delay
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: Actually it was a waste to you because you don't want to try anything, but it wasn't a waste to others on the list. It was a waste to me because nobody knows what the problem is or how to fix it, and the only suggestions I got were that the hardware was failing, which I know isn't true. When trying to troubleshoot a problem you make a conjecture as to what the problem might be then you test for it. I guess it's a good thing that nobody conjectured that it might be bad utility power, or I'd have to switch to a new nuclear plant in order to troubleshooot the problem. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
Paul A. Hoadley writes: Here are some measurements. A few weeks ago I ran Unixbench 4.1.0 (/usr/ports/benchmarks/unixbench) on a P4 2.8GHz with and without hyperthreading enabled. I note a slight difference in the 10 minute load average in favour of the uniprocessor run (0.00 vs 0.10 in the hyperthreading run), though I doubt this alone could account for a 15% difference in total score. It's not clear to what extent these measurements represent simultaneous processing. The presumed advantage of hyperthreading resides in the ability to make better use of the processor hardware when you have more than one execution thread running AND the threads are doing entirely different things. Intel has demonstrated this by running completely different tasks at the same time on HT and non-HT systems; the HT systems consistently perform better. Both desktop and server systems can benefit from this. However, if you run measurements that consist of a single execution thread, or several execution threads performing the same type of work, HT will probably be slower than a UP environment. In this case, HT contributes nothing because the various threads are competing for the same processor hardware at the same time, so the global instruction rate does not improve with HT--and since SMP has higher OS overhead than a uniprocessor environment, the net result is a loss of performance. In order to profit from HT, then, you must have a mix of different tasks running on the system at the same time. This should be the normal case for most desktop and server systems, but it is never seen in benchmarks unless they are specifically designed to simulate this. Thus, while HT may help in real-world applications of servers and desktops, the only way to see this in measurements is to make sure they duplicate the type of instruction mix seen on these systems in real life. The actual architecture of hyperthreading is pretty straightforward, and it's pretty clear that it cannot result in degraded performance: either it improves performance, or it makes no difference. So the only question is whether or not HT improves performance enough in a real-world environment to offset the greater OS overhead of managing multiple processors. I think that with a heterogenous instruction mix of the type likely to be seen in real-world systems, it does (admittedly not by much). In some systems that are doing a lot of homogenous number-crunching, performance might go down, but it's difficult to imagine such a scenario for a server. Some desktops might be in that situation, if they are dedicated to single tasks (games, Mathematica, CAD, etc.). -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MRTG, and FreeBSD rl0 aliases
This little problem has been bothering me for sometime. I'm trying to do a MRTG setup on my 5.3 system. The ISP I colocate with has allocated me a /29 in public space. Let's say for e-mail purposes, I've been given 192.168.0.29/29. Here are two entries from my mrtg.cfg: Target[localhost_192.168.0.30]: /192.168.0.30:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SetEnv[localhost_192.168.0.30]: MRTG_INT_IP=192.168.0.30 MRTG_INT_DESCR=rl0 MaxBytes[localhost_192.168.0.30]: 125 Title[localhost_192.168.0.30]: 192.168.0.30 PageTop[localhost_192.168.0.30]: H1192.168.0.30/H1 TABLE TRTDSystem:/TD TDHybrid/TD/TR TRTDMaintainer:/TD TD[EMAIL PROTECTED]/TD/TR TRTDIP:/TD TD192.168.0.30/TD/TR /TABLE Target[localhost_192.168.0.31]: /192.168.0.31:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SetEnv[localhost_192.168.0.31]: MRTG_INT_IP=192.168.0.31 MRTG_INT_DESCR=rl0 MaxBytes[localhost_192.168.0.31]: 125 Title[localhost_192.168.0.31]: 192.168.0.31 PageTop[localhost_192.168.0.31]: H1192.168.0.31/H1 TABLE TRTDSystem:/TD TDHybrid/TD/TR TRTDMaintainer:/TD TD[EMAIL PROTECTED]/TD/TR TRTDIP:/TD TD192.168.0.31/TD/TR /TABLE You'd think these would produce two very different graphs, since the other IP isn't as widely used. The interesting part is, the graphs report the same incoming/outgoing KBPS. Thoughts? P.S. Assuming I get all this fixed, is there a way to aggregate all those statistic in a separate graph? I tried the + methodology in the target field and got some unusual results. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Samba problems
Alejandro Pulver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:37:51 +0100 Fabian Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alejandro Pulver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using FreeBSD 5.3 with Samba 3.0.7,1. I can read all files from a Windows 2000 Pro. But when I try to access a mount point that is an NTFS filesystem, I have no read permission (files and directories appear as zero length files) until I access them from the server machine (like doing an 'ls'). My configuration file is as follows: = BEGIN = # Samba config file created using SWAT # from 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) # Date: 2004/12/11 19:24:02 # Global parameters [global] workgroup = VARNET server string = FreeBSD 5.3 security = SHARE log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m max log size = 50 dns proxy = No [mnt] comment = Mounted Filesystems path = /mnt guest ok = Yes [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba printable = Yes browseable = No [ale] comment = Ale's Home DIrectory path = /home/ale guest ok = Yes = END === Note: I have subdirectories under '/mnt' like 'w2k', 'wxp', 'cam', and'tmp'. What am I doing wrong? Who owns the subdirectories and who is your guest user? My guest user is 'nobody', but I also tried with 'ale' and 'root' (wich owns the mount point). Did you see in samba's log that the guest user was changed? How did you change it, with guest user or with force user? As your problem can be reproduced, increasing samba's debug level might help. Samba should log why read access was denied. If you access the samba share with mount_smbfs, do you see the same behavior? The directory '/mnt/w2k' is owned by 'root' and the group 'wheel', the permissions are rwxr-xr-x. If you only want read access, this looks fine. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can argue the technical theory all you want, but the measurements say otherwise. You have to ensure that you're doing the right measurements. FreeBSD 4.9 - Load: 38% (I put this in for fun :-) Freebsd 5.4-Pre UP (no HT) - Load: high 55-60% range FreeBSD 5.4-Pre SMP/HT - Load: 70-80% (much more jumping around) You'll find that the total CPU time required from start to finish for a single thread is ALWAYS higher for SMP than for a UP environment, even if you have separate physical processors. Several things happen when you move from a uniprocessor environment to an environment with two or more processors: - The total CPU time for each thread increases. - The total system load on a per process basis increases. - The total throughput of the system improves if there is more than one independent process running in the system. - Each of the processors runs more slowly than it would if it were the only processor running in a UP environment. If you run a single-thread benchmark on a MP system, you'll find that it runs more slowly than it does on a UP system. If you run multiple single-thread independent benchmarks on a MP system, you'll find that total CPU time for each benchmark increases over that required in a UP system--but the elapsed time required to complete all benchmarks substantially diminishes. To properly gauge the performance of a multiprocessor system, you must run a realistic mix of tasks on the system and measure overall throughput. If you do this, you'll find that you always come out ahead with multiple processors, even HT processors. Hyperthreading is just a special case of multiprocessing that imposes some additional restrictions. HT is much more sensitive to similarities in instruction mix across processes, because the actual processor hardware is being shared. With a sufficiently heterogenous instruction mix across multiple execution threads, this isn't a problem; but if you are running a single-threaded benchmark, or a series of identical single-threaded benchmarks, it can seriously distort your measurements. Although adding physical processors diminishes the performance of each processor, it still adds overall processing power, up to a certain point. The increment is never equal to the actual number of processors added, though; that is, if you go from one to two processors, you never get a doubling of effective processor power--it's more like 70-80%. The percentage increment gets worse with each additional processor, until you reach a point at which performance actually starts to decline (the point at which this happens is extremely hardware dependent, but it's always well beyond two processors). Hyperthreaded processors should not diminish in performance just because HT is turned on, because the hardware contention that diminishes performance in conventional MP systems is largely absent in a HT microprocessor. However, since you are really still only sharing a single processor with HT, the overall increment is much lower than it would be with two physical processors, and it is very sensitive to the instruction mix. this shows that you really are a bit foggy. Did you miss the part where with 2 processors you actually do have 2 processors? I actually read what Intel had to say on how the architecture works, and I spent years measuring systems the hard way (with hardware monitors and probes), so I know somewhat whereof I speak. Multiprocessing was always a significant hot-button issue with customers, as they always wanted to know how much they really gained with multiple processors (as opposed to what they had been promised). I can make an argument that networking with 1 processor on 5.4 is better than with 2. For example, with a test similar to the above, with 2 phyiscal processors FreeBSD 5.4 will start dropping packets way before it hits 500Kpps unless you increase the interrrupts/second, which of course increases the system load. And even with the dropped packets (which should reduce the load because it doesnt have to receive and transmit the packet), the load is still higher than for 4.x with a single processor. Load is not a problem, as long as it's below 100%. Since individual processors slow down in MP configurations, anything that depends on raw processor speed will suffer in an MP configuration. However, overall system throughput is greatly enhanced by running with several processors. At the same time, the total processor time required to complete all tasks is greater in an MP environment than it would be in a UP environment--it's the fact that things can run in parallel that improves the throughput. Moral: if you want to avoid dropping packets in the situation you describe, increase the interrupt rate. The additional processing power of the system will make this practical. You and many others regulary say things like SMP is obviously faster, or Opterons are noticably faster, but those statements are only
Re: hyper threading.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When you get your machine running without a kernel let me know. The kernel is the key to the O/S. If you don't need networking and don't have many interrupts, then it probably doesnt matter that much. The kernel represents only a small part of total system utilization and throughput. Even if everything is single-threaded through the kernel, you can still get performance benefits from multiple processors, because they can run userland processes in parallel. If total system load is 5% kernel and 80% userland in a UP environment, and moving to a MP environment doubles kernel overhead, total system load has still increased by only 5%. In general, many things must be single-threaded through the kernel because of the need for proper synchronization. Thus, the kernel always shows more negative effects from MP than the system as a whole, but since it is so small in the overall picture, MP still improves global performance. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gcc error
On 26 Mar Kris Kennaway wrote: On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 04:24:42PM +0100, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: Hi, I'm getting desperate. First I couldn't compile just a gnome package. OK, it could be missed.. But now I want to compile the new KDE-3.4 and it does not work :-( Compiling kdelibs3 I get (again) this annoying error. Googling learned it shows up quit often, but I found no solution. So, what is this and waht can be done about it? I guess it's a gcc compiler error. I deleted all gcc packages that were installed (back to the systems's version - FreeBSD-4.11R). It did not help. The error I get: c++: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations The same error happens sometimes with 'cc' Show us the full error, not a context-free excerpt. OK, probably too much, but here it is.. =-=-= Making all in http gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11/kdelibs3/work/kdelibs-3.4.0/kioslave/http' Making all in kcookiejar gmake[4]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11/kdelibs3/work/kdelibs-3.4.0/kioslave/http/kcookiejar' Making all in tests gmake[5]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11/kdelibs3/work/kdelibs-3.4.0/kioslave/http/kcookiejar/tests' gmake[5]: Nothing to be done for `all'. gmake[5]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/kdelibs3/work/kdelibs-3.4.0/kioslave/http/kcookiejar/tests' gmake[5]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11/kdelibs3/work/kdelibs-3.4.0/kioslave/http/kcookiejar' source='kcookiejar.cpp' object='kcookiejar.lo' libtool=yes \ DEPDIR=.deps depmode=gcc /bin/sh ../../../admin/depcomp \ /bin/sh ../../../libtool --silent --mode=compile --tag=CXX c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -I../../../dcop -I../../../kdecore -I../../../kio/kssl -I../../../dcop -I../../../libltdl -I../../../kdefx -I../../../kdecore -I../../../kdecore -I../../../kdeui -I../../../kio -I../../../kio/kio -I../../../kio/kfile -I../../.. -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -pthread -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -D_GETOPT_H -D_THREAD_SAFE -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wundef -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings -DNDEBUG -DNO_DEBUG -O2 -O -pipe -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -c -o kcookiejar.lo kcookiejar.cpp /usr/X11R6/bin/moc ./kcookieserver.h -o kcookieserver.moc source='kcookieserver.cpp' object='kcookieserver.lo' libtool=yes \ DEPDIR=.deps depmode=gcc /bin/sh ../../../admin/depcomp \ /bin/sh ../../../libtool --silent --mode=compile --tag=CXX c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -I../../../dcop -I../../../kdecore -I../../../kio/kssl -I../../../dcop -I../../../libltdl -I../../../kdefx -I../../../kdecore -I../../../kdecore -I../../../kdeui -I../../../kio -I../../../kio/kio -I../../../kio/kfile -I../../.. -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -pthread -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -D_GETOPT_H -D_THREAD_SAFE -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wundef -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings -DNDEBUG -DNO_DEBUG -O2 -O -pipe -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -c -o kcookieserver.lo kcookieserver.cpp /usr/X11R6/bin/moc ./kcookiewin.h -o kcookiewin.moc source='kcookiewin.cpp' object='kcookiewin.lo' libtool=yes \ DEPDIR=.deps depmode=gcc /bin/sh ../../../admin/depcomp \ /bin/sh ../../../libtool --silent --mode=compile --tag=CXX c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -I../../../dcop -I../../../kdecore -I../../../kio/kssl -I../../../dcop -I../../../libltdl -I../../../kdefx -I../../../kdecore -I../../../kdecore -I../../../kdeui -I../../../kio -I../../../kio/kio -I../../../kio/kfile -I../../.. -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -pthread -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -D_GETOPT_H -D_THREAD_SAFE -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wundef -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings -DNDEBUG -DNO_DEBUG -O2 -O -pipe -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -c -o kcookiewin.lo kcookiewin.cpp ../../../dcop/dcopidl/dcopidl ./kcookieserver.h kcookieserver.kidl || ( rm -f kcookieserver.kidl ; false ) ../../../dcop/dcopidl2cpp/dcopidl2cpp --c++-suffix cpp --no-signals --no-stub kcookieserver.kidl source='kcookieserver_skel.cpp' object='kcookieserver_skel.lo' libtool=yes \ DEPDIR=.deps depmode=gcc /bin/sh ../../../admin/depcomp \ /bin/sh ../../../libtool --silent --mode=compile --tag=CXX c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -I../../../dcop
k3b port error.
Running FreeBSD 5.4-BETA1 and k3b port make stops with output pasted
below. Port is latest one. Any way to get it working?
---
then mv -f .deps/k3bflacdecoder.Tpo .deps/k3bflacdecoder.Plo; \
else rm -f .deps/k3bflacdecoder.Tpo; exit 1; \
fi
In file included from /usr/local/include/id3/utils.h:37,
from /usr/local/include/id3/tag.h:34,
from /usr/local/include/id3/misc_support.h:32,
from k3bflacdecoder.cpp:34:
/usr/local/include/id3/id3lib_strings.h:103: warning: unused parameter '__c'
/usr/local/include/id3/id3lib_strings.h:106: warning: unused parameter '__c'
k3bflacdecoder.cpp: In member function `virtual QString
K3bFLACDecoder::technica lInfo(const QString) const':
k3bflacdecoder.cpp:311: error: `get_field' has not been declared
k3bflacdecoder.cpp:311: error: request for member of non-aggregate
type before ' (' token
/usr/local/include/id3/globals.h: At global scope:
/usr/local/include/id3/globals.h:542: warning:
'ID3_v1_genre_description' define d but not used
gmake[4]: *** [k3bflacdecoder.lo] Error 1
gmake[4]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/sysutils/k3b/work/k3b-0.11.20/src/audiod ecoding/flac'
gmake[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/sysutils/k3b/work/k3b-0.11.20/src/audiod ecoding'
gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/sysutils/k3b/work/k3b-0.11.20/src'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/sysutils/k3b/work/k3b-0.11.20'
gmake: *** [all] Error 2
*** Error code 2
Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/k3b.
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Re: which shell irc client do you like ?
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:56:50 +0100, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am looking for a very simple colored one, in the style of me 19:10# bla bla you 19:10# bla bla no menus or borders I don't know what you mean by no menus or borders, but irssi is pretty stripped down and can be run from the console: http://www.irssi.org/ I run it from a screen session all the time and it works well once you get the hang of it. I think you can make it beep when new messages come in but because I run it on a remote server I've never bothered to look into/activate this feature. Paul -- Rogue Tory www.roguetory.org.uk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD Questions mailing list
Hi, I am Pradeep from India. Recently I purchased FreeBSD latest version. But when I was installing, setup failed with an unknown error message. I came to know that this version does not support ACPI or Advanced power management system. I also got hold of the remedy. But I could not do it. Can you please suggest me to disable this feature in system through ther FreeBSD setup. Waiting for your reply. Bye. Pradeep. References Visible links Hidden links: 1. http://g.msn.com/1HMAENIN/141??PS=8318 2. http://www.webhelp.com/webhelp/index.jsp ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
flash player plugin.
yet another question from me... I can't get flash player working on firefox anyway. (fbsd 5.4-beta1 and ff 1.0.2). I tired install ports www/flashplugin-firefox, www/flashpluginwrapper and www/linuxpluginwrapper. none of them succesfully. about:plugins in firefox won't show flash and flash sites doesn't work. so, question is - how to get it work? -- kpn @ IRCnet ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flash player plugin.
Did you edit /etc/libmap.conf if so what did you add? Regards, Dev Tugnait * Perttu Laine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: yet another question from me... I can't get flash player working on firefox anyway. (fbsd 5.4-beta1 and ff 1.0.2). I tired install ports www/flashplugin-firefox, www/flashpluginwrapper and www/linuxpluginwrapper. none of them succesfully. about:plugins in firefox won't show flash and flash sites doesn't work. so, question is - how to get it work? -- kpn @ IRCnet ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--==/\/\==--+ (__) FreeBSD | [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\\\'',) The |Kernel ESCAFLOWNE | \/ \ ^Power | Web http://unixdaemon.org | .\._/_)To +--==\/\/==--+ Serve [ We've switched the bath sponge with a tribble. ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AWK in 4.X different from 5.X?
# Francisco Reyes: [ strftime() not in 5.x-awk ] Now I just wonder how to get date in my output. :-( Well, if nothing else helps there's always system(date). However, you could also install lang/gawk. HTH, Mario ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
definition of soft/hard interrupts.
Hi, In The design and implementation of 4.4BSD, the execution of workqueues, some timer events and scheduling are referred to as software interrupts, as well as system calls. I thought only system calls would be in soft interrupt category as they are initiated with a software interrupt instruction. By my definition, a hardware interrupt is one that is notified by the interrupt controller, and to my knowledge, timer events are hardware interrupts. Am I wrong? There's also a softclock and hardclock defined. It is as if, an interrupt handler for an interrupt reported on the controller, is termed as hard, but a low-priority workqueue initiated by a later timer event is called as a software interrupt here. The distinction here mainly being made by their priority. Would you confirm this? In my opinion this isn't the way to put it and software interrupts should only mean interrupts initiated by interrupt instructions. All this is mentioned in pp. 56-57 in the book and extends to other parts. Many thanks for reading, Bahadir ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Failure with php4 and libgd support
Thanks for your help. I'm a bit farther now using just --with-gd, but
I'm still having problems. I'd like to find out what's causing the
crt1.o error. See below:
configure:29964: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -R/usr/local/lib
-L/usr/local/lib conftest.c -ljpeg -lm 15
/usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x64): In function `_start':
: undefined reference to `_init_tls'
configure: failed program was:
#line 29953 configure
#include confdefs.h
/* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error. */
/* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2
builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */
char jpeg_read_header();
int main() {
jpeg_read_header()
; return 0; }
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:25:19 -0600, Ryan J. Cavicchioni
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Alexander,
PHP actually comes with libgd bundled now. Just use --with-gd (but you
may not even have to do that). You do not need the external library.
Alexander Chamandy wrote:
I take it noone can help me with this?
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:27:54 -0500, Alexander Chamandy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I'm having some problems with php4 and libgd support. I'm
running FreeBSD/i386 5.3 which was upgraded from the 4.x STABLE branch
a long time ago, but I think a portion of the upgrade may've gone
horribly wrong with regards to the compiler or include files. Most
things compile fine (userland, kernel, other applications).. but
certain things like Apache2, php (*ONLY* when it's testing libgd in
the configuration process - otherwise, without gd it compiles fine)
fail completely. I was wondering if anyone had experienced something
similiar or had any suggestions. Any help would be greatly
appreciated! Here is the config.log gd-related error messages from
php 4.3.10 with the commandline:
./configure --with-gd=/usr/local --with-mysql
--with-apxs=/usr/local/apache/bin/apxs
8 *snip snip* 8
configure:33488: checking for gdImageString16 in -lgd
configure:33507: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -R/usr/local/lib
-L/usr/local/lib -R/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib conftest.c -lgd
-lgd
-lm 15
/usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x64): In function `_start':
: undefined reference to `_init_tls'
/usr/local/lib/libgd.so: undefined reference to `__stdoutp'
/usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so.9: undefined reference to `memmove'
/usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so.9: undefined reference to `qsort'
/usr/local/lib/libgd.so: undefined reference to `__stderrp'
/usr/local/lib/libpng.so.5: undefined reference to `gmtime'
/usr/local/lib/libm.so.2: undefined reference to `fputs'
/usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so.9: undefined reference to `fcntl'
configure: failed program was:
#line 33496 configure
#include confdefs.h
/* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error. */
/* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2
builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */
char gdImageString16();
int main() {
gdImageString16()
; return 0; }
configure:33619: checking for gdImagePaletteCopy in -lgd
configure:33638: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -R/usr/local/lib
-L/usr/local/lib -R/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib conftest.c -lgd
-lgd
-lm 15
/usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x64): In function `_start':
: undefined reference to `_init_tls'
/usr/local/lib/libgd.so: undefined reference to `__stdoutp'
/usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so.9: undefined reference to `memmove'
/usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so.9: undefined reference to `qsort'
/usr/local/lib/libgd.so: undefined reference to `__stderrp'
/usr/local/lib/libpng.so.5: undefined reference to `gmtime'
/usr/local/lib/libm.so.2: undefined reference to `fputs'
/usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so.9: undefined reference to `fcntl'
configure: failed program was:
#line 33627 configure
#include confdefs.h
/* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error. */
/* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2
builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */
char gdImagePaletteCopy();
int main() {
gdImagePaletteCopy()
; return 0; }
configure:33750: checking for gdImageCreateFromPng in -lgd
configure:33769: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -R/usr/local/lib
-L/usr/local/lib -R/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib conftest.c -lgd
-lgd
-lm 15
/usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x64): In function `_start':
: undefined reference to `_init_tls'
/usr/local/lib/libgd.so: undefined reference to `__stdoutp'
/usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so.9: undefined reference to `memmove'
/usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so.9: undefined reference to `qsort'
/usr/local/lib/libgd.so: undefined reference to `__stderrp'
/usr/local/lib/libpng.so.5: undefined reference to `gmtime'
/usr/local/lib/libm.so.2: undefined reference to `fputs'
/usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so.9: undefined reference to `fcntl'
configure: failed program was:
#line 33758 configure
#include confdefs.h
/* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error. */
/* We use char because int
Vinum Problem
Hi, I have managed to setup a vinum volume using 2 striped disks, the volume is created and I can do newfs on it and mount it. However, when I set start_vinum=YES in rc.conf, vinum loads then I get panic, followed by hanging vnode. I'm using 5.3. Any pointers please. Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
Right. Thats what I said. You'll killl your networking. So you don't want HT or SMP on a Server. Thats what most MP machines are used for. -Original Message- From: Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:33:36 +0200 Subject: Re: hyper threading. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can argue the technical theory all you want, but the measurements say otherwise. You have to ensure that you're doing the right measurements. FreeBSD 4.9 - Load: 38% (I put this in for fun :-) Freebsd 5.4-Pre UP (no HT) - Load: high 55-60% range FreeBSD 5.4-Pre SMP/HT - Load: 70-80% (much more jumping around) You'll find that the total CPU time required from start to finish for a single thread is ALWAYS higher for SMP than for a UP environment, even if you have separate physical processors. Several things happen when you move from a uniprocessor environment to an environment with two or more processors: - The total CPU time for each thread increases. - The total system load on a per process basis increases. - The total throughput of the system improves if there is more than one independent process running in the system. - Each of the processors runs more slowly than it would if it were the only processor running in a UP environment. If you run a single-thread benchmark on a MP system, you'll find that it runs more slowly than it does on a UP system. If you run multiple single-thread independent benchmarks on a MP system, you'll find that total CPU time for each benchmark increases over that required in a UP system--but the elapsed time required to complete all benchmarks substantially diminishes. To properly gauge the performance of a multiprocessor system, you must run a realistic mix of tasks on the system and measure overall throughput. If you do this, you'll find that you always come out ahead with multiple processors, even HT processors. Hyperthreading is just a special case of multiprocessing that imposes some additional restrictions. HT is much more sensitive to similarities in instruction mix across processes, because the actual processor hardware is being shared. With a sufficiently heterogenous instruction mix across multiple execution threads, this isn't a problem; but if you are running a single-threaded benchmark, or a series of identical single-threaded benchmarks, it can seriously distort your measurements. Although adding physical processors diminishes the performance of each processor, it still adds overall processing power, up to a certain point. The increment is never equal to the actual number of processors added, though; that is, if you go from one to two processors, you never get a doubling of effective processor power--it's more like 70-80%. The percentage increment gets worse with each additional processor, until you reach a point at which performance actually starts to decline (the point at which this happens is extremely hardware dependent, but it's always well beyond two processors). Hyperthreaded processors should not diminish in performance just because HT is turned on, because the hardware contention that diminishes performance in conventional MP systems is largely absent in a HT microprocessor. However, since you are really still only sharing a single processor with HT, the overall increment is much lower than it would be with two physical processors, and it is very sensitive to the instruction mix. this shows that you really are a bit foggy. Did you miss the part where with 2 processors you actually do have 2 processors? I actually read what Intel had to say on how the architecture works, and I spent years measuring systems the hard way (with hardware monitors and probes), so I know somewhat whereof I speak. Multiprocessing was always a significant hot-button issue with customers, as they always wanted to know how much they really gained with multiple processors (as opposed to what they had been promised). I can make an argument that networking with 1 processor on 5.4 is better than with 2. For example, with a test similar to the above, with 2 phyiscal processors FreeBSD 5.4 will start dropping packets way before it hits 500Kpps unless you increase the interrrupts/second, which of course increases the system load. And even with the dropped packets (which should reduce the load because it doesnt have to receive and transmit the packet), the load is still higher than for 4.x with a single processor. Load is not a problem, as long as it's below 100%. Since individual processors slow down in MP configurations, anything that depends on raw processor speed will suffer in an MP configuration. However, overall system throughput is greatly enhanced by running with several processors. At the same time, the total processor time required to complete all tasks is greater in an MP environment than it would be in a UP environment--it's the fact that things can run in parallel that improves the throughput. Moral: if you want to avoid dropping
Re: Vinum Problem
On March 27, 2005 10:35 am, Robert Slade wrote: Hi, I have managed to setup a vinum volume using 2 striped disks, the volume is created and I can do newfs on it and mount it. However, when I set start_vinum=YES in rc.conf, vinum loads then I get panic, followed by hanging vnode. I'm using 5.3. Any pointers please. In 5.3, you need to use gvinum instead of vinum. To do this set start_vinum=NO in /etc/rc.conf and set geom_vinum_load=YES in /boot/loader.conf. gvinum will read your vinum configuration just fine so you only need to make the changes I suggested to get it to work. Althought this is documented, it is not what I would call 'well documented' yet. -- Ean Kingston E-Mail: ean AT hedron DOT org URL: http://www.hedron.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
Test it yourself. I made a comment about making sure you test before you assume that HT is helpful. I don't feel compelled to convince you. Do what you want. -Original Message- From: John Pettitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:23:40 -0800 Subject: Re: hyper threading. Well you've proven than if you pick your benchmark you can get the result you want. So what that says it that the kernel network code doesn't get any benefit from HT - given that HT is supposed to benefit diverse user tasks and no multiple copies of the same code this is not big news - since you have a HT box how about running a less system code intensive and more diverse test? John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can argue the technical theory all you want, but the measurements say otherwise. You guys have done it once again. Baited me into firing up a test that I already know the results of: Setup: Bridging em0 to em1 Load: 500Kpps, 60 bytes 3.4Ghz P4 1MB Cache FreeBSD 4.9 - Load: 38% (I put this in for fun :-) Freebsd 5.4-Pre UP (no HT) - Load: high 55-60% range FreeBSD 5.4-Pre SMP/HT - Load: 70-80% (much more jumping around) The bottom line is that if you don't test things to get real world results, you don't know crap. If that were true, then it would be equally true of systems with actual multiple physical processors. In practice, multiple processors provide an obvious performance gain, and hyperthreading does, too, although it's much more modest than the gain obtained from physically independent processors. this shows that you really are a bit foggy. Did you miss the part where with 2 processors you actually do have 2 processors? I can make an argument that networking with 1 processor on 5.4 is better than with 2. For example, with a test similar to the above, with 2 phyiscal processors FreeBSD 5.4 will start dropping packets way before it hits 500Kpps unless you increase the interrrupts/second, which of course increases the system load. And even with the dropped packets (which should reduce the load because it doesnt have to receive and transmit the packet), the load is still higher than for 4.x with a single processor. You and many others regulary say things like SMP is obviously faster, or Opterons are noticably faster, but those statements are only true for certain applications. I've tested an Opteron 2.0Ghz against a 3.4Ghz P4, and the results are pretty interesting. For raw performance, ie interrupts/second handling, the P4 wins easily. The P4 wins out of the cache. But once you grow out of the cache and get more memory intensive, the Opteron beats it handily. So which is really faster? You could argue both depending on what benchmark you use. You have to test it in the environment where you plan to use it. Because the answer is almost never black and white. -Original Message- From: Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:45:21 +0100 Subject: Re: hyper threading. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, the theory is very nice; you've done a nice job reading Intel's marketing garb. I haven't read their marketing materials. I'm simply going by the technical descriptions I've read of the architecture. However if you don't have a specific hyperthreading-aware scheduler and particularly well-written, threaded applications, you'll lose more than you'll gain. If that were true, then it would be equally true of systems with actual multiple physical processors. In practice, multiple processors provide an obvious performance gain, and hyperthreading does, too, although it's much more modest than the gain obtained from physically independent processors. Since FreeBSDs network stack isn't particularly well threaded, nor is the scheduler optimized for hyperthreading, you get a big mess at the kernel level. Nothing needs to be specially optimized for hyperthreading. All you need is at least two threads available for dispatch, with reasonably heterogenous instruction mixes that can use different parts of the processor hardware at the same time. Real-world instruction mixes are often in this category in general-purpose operating systems. So if you have a nice application that does a lot of threaded math operations, you might think you've achieved something, Heavily math-oriented applications (or any group of applications that contains similar instruction mixes) are among the least likely to benefit from hyperthreading, because they will tend to use the same processor logic at the same time, effectively rendering hyperthreading moot. But what you've missed is that the overhead to manage the better utilization of the dual-pipelines created by HT costs more than it gains. Unless FreeBSD is very poorly written indeed, the gain from hyperthreading should still exceed the slight increase in overhead incurred by multiprocessing logic. Hence, the loss of performance. Where can I see this loss of
Re: A Riddle
WRONG on all counts! Firstly, anyone who uses their own server for lists is a complete idiot. Are you trying to insult everyone who has found AOL or Yahoo or Gmail to be more convenient for not clogging their server with lists traffic? Or do you just feel important because you laid out the $20 for your own domain? And YES, they do default to top posting. You hit reply, and you get this (see below). Its not really conducive to bottom posting, and when you do a google search and hit a long thread you read the answer you want first, rather than having to page down 200 times. If you're over 50 and once used a pdp11 then you may argue the opposite, but times are a-changing, so get with it. -Original Message- From: Fabian Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:59:59 +0100 Subject: Re: A Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heavily weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid technical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? Please have a look at your own email address. As an aside, all of the major web mail providers default to top posting. Google (ever hear of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post. So if you bottom post, you don't see the message you want to see without having to make an effort. So when are you troglodytes going to climb out of your 1994 hibernations and get with the times? They don't default to top posting, they put the cursor on top, so you can read the whole message and cut irrelevant parts before replying. If Google doesn't display the whole message, the interface is crap. That's not the fault of anybody on this list. You may prefer one over the other, but its hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders. If you want to be read by as many people as possible on this list, the easiest way is to write well formed mails. Unfortunately, you are not only top posting, your mailing software also inserts line breaks where there shouldn't be any and makes it hard to see who wrote what. Have a look at the beginning of this mail. Your quotation is a mess. Anyone with a brain is using web mail for mailing lists these days: no more whining about spam or wasted bandwidth. Having a brain is good, but using it is even better. If the web interface produces garbage, changing the interface could be a smart move. Just my two brainless cents. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jails ....
Hi all, I have put in a number of hours over the past few days researching scponly and sftp and scp. It seems to me, that for all the work of scponly shell to be setup, why not just create a simple jail and allow ssh teminal access for users? That having been said, is it possible to set up jails for existing users that include only simple commands, like: ls mkdir rmdir pico rm chown chmod if so, are there any guru's who would like to type and explanation and step by step how to here? -G ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which shell irc client do you like ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-03-27, Paul Waring scribbled these curious markings: I run it from a screen session all the time and it works well once you get the hang of it. I think you can make it beep when new messages come in but because I run it on a remote server I've never bothered to look into/activate this feature. Surely you have screen(1) set up to show terminal beeps to you *somehow*, right? I personally prefer having it use esdplay because I usually have rhythmbox going, but you should be able to use a good ol' terminal bell. Best Regards, Christopher Nehren -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCRt/kk/lo7zvzJioRAh86AJ9Ji+xagBoQX7cbKgnG4hpymXVHgwCgiNb2 JDfaZeTykxcz28TMckiLpx4= =IbOa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- I abhor a system designed for the user, if that word is a coded pejorative meaning stupid and unsophisticated. -- Ken Thompson If you ask the wrong questions, you get answers like 42 and God. Unix is user friendly. However, it isn't idiot friendly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Fabian Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:59:59 +0100 Subject: Re: A Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heavily weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid technical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? Please have a look at your own email address. As an aside, all of the major web mail providers default to top posting. Google (ever hear of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post. So if you bottom post, you don't see the message you want to see without having to make an effort. So when are you troglodytes going to climb out of your 1994 hibernations and get with the times? They don't default to top posting, they put the cursor on top, so you can read the whole message and cut irrelevant parts before replying. If Google doesn't display the whole message, the interface is crap. That's not the fault of anybody on this list. You may prefer one over the other, but its hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders. If you want to be read by as many people as possible on this list, the easiest way is to write well formed mails. Unfortunately, you are not only top posting, your mailing software also inserts line breaks where there shouldn't be any and makes it hard to see who wrote what. Have a look at the beginning of this mail. Your quotation is a mess. Anyone with a brain is using web mail for mailing lists these days: no more whining about spam or wasted bandwidth. Having a brain is good, but using it is even better. If the web interface produces garbage, changing the interface could be a smart move. Just my two brainless cents. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de *** Formatted correctly for ease of reading *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WRONG on all counts! Firstly, anyone who uses their own server for lists is a complete idiot. So - according to YOU, most all of us that run our own servers are idiots. Yanno what? You sound like the type that is forced to use his parents PC, Forced to use AOL, and forced to use web mail. So - since YOU can't have what most of us can and do have, you feel the need to lash out and verbally abuse. This is a classic case of the have-nots are beside them selfs over the haves. It's one thing to say something like: It's my opinion that (insert rhetoric here) Then to make a sweeping generalization as you just did. Shows us what kind a man (or boy) you are. Grow up - show some respect, don't insult - you will live longer when you do join society. And, as I said before - even tho you may bash us, think you are superior to us - we still love you anyways. Oh, and have a great day! -- Best regards, Chris If on an actuarial basis there is a 50 50 chance that something will go wrong, It will actually go wrong nine times out of ten. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
Apparently you can't read. I didn't say you were an idiot for running your own server. Only that you were an idiot to use your server to download tons of crap from lists that you don't want to read when for free you can have it stored elsewhere. I have a server, and a domain (several) and lots of other cool stuff. I got tired of wasting cpu cycles and disk space, considering that maybe 1 out of 20 messages actually interests me. You guys always complain about wasted bandwidth. Well if you use yahoo or gmail or aol then you don't waste any bandwidth of your own. You just read what you want to read. -Original Message- From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:31:58 -0600 Subject: Re: A Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Fabian Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:59:59 +0100 Subject: Re: A Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heavily weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid technical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? Please have a look at your own email address. As an aside, all of the major web mail providers default to top posting. Google (ever hear of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post. So if you bottom post, you don't see the message you want to see without having to make an effort. So when are you troglodytes going to climb out of your 1994 hibernations and get with the times? They don't default to top posting, they put the cursor on top, so you can read the whole message and cut irrelevant parts before replying. If Google doesn't display the whole message, the interface is crap. That's not the fault of anybody on this list. You may prefer one over the other, but its hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders. If you want to be read by as many people as possible on this list, the easiest way is to write well formed mails. Unfortunately, you are not only top posting, your mailing software also inserts line breaks where there shouldn't be any and makes it hard to see who wrote what. Have a look at the beginning of this mail. Your quotation is a mess. Anyone with a brain is using web mail for mailing lists these days: no more whining about spam or wasted bandwidth. Having a brain is good, but using it is even better. If the web interface produces garbage, changing the interface could be a smart move. Just my two brainless cents. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de *** Formatted correctly for ease of reading *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WRONG on all counts! Firstly, anyone who uses their own server for lists is a complete idiot. So - according to YOU, most all of us that run our own servers are idiots. Yanno what? You sound like the type that is forced to use his parents PC, Forced to use AOL, and forced to use web mail. So - since YOU can't have what most of us can and do have, you feel the need to lash out and verbally abuse. This is a classic case of the have-nots are beside them selfs over the haves. It's one thing to say something like: It's my opinion that (insert rhetoric here) Then to make a sweeping generalization as you just did. Shows us what kind a man (or boy) you are. Grow up - show some respect, don't insult - you will live longer when you do join society. And, as I said before - even tho you may bash us, think you are superior to us - we still love you anyways. Oh, and have a great day! -- Best regards, Chris If on an actuarial basis there is a 50 50 chance that something will go wrong, It will actually go wrong nine times out of ten. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
You know, you spout all of this wonderful theory without considering the quality of the implementation. Everything is implementation. And a key point that you consistently overlook is that FreeBSD 5.x is a particularly poor implementation of SMP. Linux and Dragonfly get 80% improvement in performance with a 2nd processor, and FreeBSD doesn't. Theory is meaningless if the implementation sucks, which is more than just part of the point. The concept that the kernel is poorly implemented by userland is well done is just not an assumption that you can make. -Original Message- From: Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:33:36 +0200 Subject: Re: hyper threading. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can argue the technical theory all you want, but the measurements say otherwise. You have to ensure that you're doing the right measurements. FreeBSD 4.9 - Load: 38% (I put this in for fun :-) Freebsd 5.4-Pre UP (no HT) - Load: high 55-60% range FreeBSD 5.4-Pre SMP/HT - Load: 70-80% (much more jumping around) You'll find that the total CPU time required from start to finish for a single thread is ALWAYS higher for SMP than for a UP environment, even if you have separate physical processors. Several things happen when you move from a uniprocessor environment to an environment with two or more processors: - The total CPU time for each thread increases. - The total system load on a per process basis increases. - The total throughput of the system improves if there is more than one independent process running in the system. - Each of the processors runs more slowly than it would if it were the only processor running in a UP environment. If you run a single-thread benchmark on a MP system, you'll find that it runs more slowly than it does on a UP system. If you run multiple single-thread independent benchmarks on a MP system, you'll find that total CPU time for each benchmark increases over that required in a UP system--but the elapsed time required to complete all benchmarks substantially diminishes. To properly gauge the performance of a multiprocessor system, you must run a realistic mix of tasks on the system and measure overall throughput. If you do this, you'll find that you always come out ahead with multiple processors, even HT processors. Hyperthreading is just a special case of multiprocessing that imposes some additional restrictions. HT is much more sensitive to similarities in instruction mix across processes, because the actual processor hardware is being shared. With a sufficiently heterogenous instruction mix across multiple execution threads, this isn't a problem; but if you are running a single-threaded benchmark, or a series of identical single-threaded benchmarks, it can seriously distort your measurements. Although adding physical processors diminishes the performance of each processor, it still adds overall processing power, up to a certain point. The increment is never equal to the actual number of processors added, though; that is, if you go from one to two processors, you never get a doubling of effective processor power--it's more like 70-80%. The percentage increment gets worse with each additional processor, until you reach a point at which performance actually starts to decline (the point at which this happens is extremely hardware dependent, but it's always well beyond two processors). Hyperthreaded processors should not diminish in performance just because HT is turned on, because the hardware contention that diminishes performance in conventional MP systems is largely absent in a HT microprocessor. However, since you are really still only sharing a single processor with HT, the overall increment is much lower than it would be with two physical processors, and it is very sensitive to the instruction mix. this shows that you really are a bit foggy. Did you miss the part where with 2 processors you actually do have 2 processors? I actually read what Intel had to say on how the architecture works, and I spent years measuring systems the hard way (with hardware monitors and probes), so I know somewhat whereof I speak. Multiprocessing was always a significant hot-button issue with customers, as they always wanted to know how much they really gained with multiple processors (as opposed to what they had been promised). I can make an argument that networking with 1 processor on 5.4 is better than with 2. For example, with a test similar to the above, with 2 phyiscal processors FreeBSD 5.4 will start dropping packets way before it hits 500Kpps unless you increase the interrrupts/second, which of course increases the system load. And even with the dropped packets (which should reduce the load because it doesnt have to receive and transmit the packet), the load is still higher than for 4.x with a single processor. Load is not a problem, as long as it's below 100%. Since individual processors slow down in MP configurations, anything that
Re: Jails ....
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:23:05 -0500 Grant Peel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me, that for all the work of scponly shell to be setup, why not just create a simple jail and allow ssh teminal access for users? That having been said, is it possible to set up jails for existing users that include only simple commands, like: ls mkdir rmdir pico rm chown chmod if so, are there any guru's who would like to type and explanation and step by step how to here? i can think of one possible solution for this : 1) you create the jail (see : man jail [with one exception, i prefer a make world for the host and then use a make installworld for the jails instead of make world again for the jail]) 2) make /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin only accessible for root (and users for possible other services) and set the PATH to include a new dir e.g. /newbin/ which is accessible for users, and copy the shell (and possible other basic commands) they need in that dir too ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Missing tiff-3.6.1_1
I tried this a couple of days ago, and I similarly got the missing tiff-3.6.1_1 error as it was no where to be found in the ftp site. I had installed FreeBSD 5.3 and the ports collection from a CD onto a new machine. I got that error afterwards when I tried to build from ports samba3, IIRC. cvsup-ing the ports collection eliminated those errors. On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 02:57:54PM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 10:59:24AM -0500, Christopher Kearns wrote: After installing freeBSD 5.3 on my system, many packages will not install. I get an error message that says Warning: tiff-3.6.1_1 is a required package but was not found. What do I need to do? First tell us exactly what commands you are trying to run and the exact errors you receive. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which shell irc client do you like ?
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:45:01 +0100, Paul Waring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:56:50 +0100, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am looking for a very simple colored one, in the style of me 19:10# bla bla you 19:10# bla bla no menus or borders I don't know what you mean by no menus or borders, but irssi is pretty stripped down and can be run from the console: http://www.irssi.org/ I run it from a screen session all the time and it works well once you get the hang of it. I think you can make it beep when new messages come in but because I run it on a remote server I've never bothered to look into/activate this feature. thx irssi and bitlbee is just what i needed to cover everything :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Emacs and backspace - again
Rodger Castle [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm using emacs20 from the ports collection (as emacs from ports would not compile due to the Xau3d compile error) on 5.4-PRERELEASE. $TERM is xterm There haven't been any reported failures in building x11-toolkits/Xaw3d in at least several months. I'd suggest you put your efforts into solving the problem with that rather than workarounds for obsolete versions of emacs. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AWK in 4.X different from 5.X?
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Mario Hoerich wrote:
Now I just wonder how to get date in my output. :-(
Well, if nothing else helps there's always system(date).
However, you could also install lang/gawk.
Since this was from a shell script I did
date | awk '{print #$1 $2 - $3 - $6}'
It works for my needs.
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Enabling sound on Dell Dimension 8300 (FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE)
Hi, I am trying to enable the builtin sound card present in Dell Dimension 8300 but cant seem to get it done. As far as I remember, in FreeBSD 5.3 it can be done simply by having the following two options in the kernel config file: device sound device snd_ich However, FreeBSD 5.1 does not recognize any of these even (Even man sound or man snd_ich does not work even though it should work on any FreeBSD 5.* So I guess I have to give some hardware hints in order to config MYCONFIG gives the following error report: = config: Error: device sound is unknown config: Error: device snd_ich is unknown (/boot/kernel/ however has the files snd_ich.ko as well as snd_pcm.ko) The output of cat /dev/sndstat is as follows: = FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Installed devices: The dmesg output is as follows: == START OF dmesg output Copyright (c) 1992-2003 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE #3: Tue Oct 14 18:17:28 CDT 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/NEW Preloaded elf kernel /boot/kernel/kernel at 0xc070. Preloaded elf module /boot/kernel/acpi.ko at 0xc0700294. Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter TSC frequency 3192009524 Hz CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz (3192.01-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0xf29 Stepping = 9 Features=0xbfebfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE Hyperthreading: 2 logical CPUs real memory = 1073168384 (1023 MB) avail memory = 1035091968 (987 MB) Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled npx0: math processor on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface acpi0: DELL 8300on motherboard pcibios: BIOS version 2.10 Using $PIR table, 8 entries at 0xc00feae0 acpi0: power button is handled as a fixed feature programming model. Timecounter ACPI-fast frequency 3579545 Hz acpi_timer0: 24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 acpi_cpu0: CPU port 0x530-0x537 on acpi0 acpi_cpu1: CPU port 0x530-0x537 on acpi0 acpi_button0: Power Button on acpi0 pcib0: ACPI Host-PCI bridge port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: ACPI PCI bus on pcib0 agp0: Intel Generic host to PCI bridge mem 0xe800-0xefff at device 0.0 on pci0 pcib1: PCIBIOS PCI-PCI bridge at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: PCI bus on pcib1 pci1: display, VGA at device 0.0 (no driver attached) uhci0: Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB controller USB-A port 0xff80-0xff9f irq 11 at device 29.0 on pci0 usb0: Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB controller USB-A on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB controller USB-B port 0xff60-0xff7f irq 10 at device 29.1 on pci0 usb1: Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB controller USB-B on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB controller USB-C port 0xff40-0xff5f irq 9 at device 29.2 on pci0 usb2: Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB controller USB-C on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci3: Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB controller USB-D port 0xff20-0xff3f irq 11 at device 29.3 on pci0 usb3: Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB controller USB-D on uhci3 usb3: USB revision 1.0 uhub3: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pci0: serial bus, USB at device 29.7 (no driver attached) pcib2: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 30.0 on pci0 pci2: ACPI PCI bus on pcib2 fxp0: Intel 82801BA (D865) Pro/100 VE Ethernet port 0xdf40-0xdf7f mem 0xfcfff000-0xfcff irq 10 at device 8.0 on pci2 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:07:e9:5f:67:fd miibus0: MII bus on fxp0 inphy0: i82562ET 10/100 media interface on miibus0 inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto isab0: PCI-ISA bridge at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: ISA bus on isab0 atapci0: Intel ICH5 UDMA100 controller port 0xffa0-0xffaf,0x374-0x377,0x170-0x177,0x3f4-0x3f7,0x1f0-0x1f7 mem 0xfebffc00-0xfebf irq 9 at device 31.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 atapci1: Intel ICH5 SATA150 controller port 0xfea0-0xfeaf,0xfe30-0xfe33,0xfe20-0xfe27,0xfe10-0xfe13,0xfe00-0xfe07 irq 9 at device 31.2 on pci0 ata2: at 0xfe00 on atapci1 ata3: at 0xfe20 on atapci1 pci0: serial bus, SMBus at device 31.3 (no driver attached) pci0: multimedia, audio at device 31.5 (no driver attached) fdc0: Enhanced floppy controller (i82077, NE72065 or clone) port 0x3f7,0x3f0-0x3f5 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1440-KB 3.5 drive on fdc0 drive 0
Re: which shell irc client do you like ?
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:28:29 + (UTC), Christopher Nehren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely you have screen(1) set up to show terminal beeps to you *somehow*, right? I personally prefer having it use esdplay because I usually have rhythmbox going, but you should be able to use a good ol' terminal bell. No I don't, because it's not a feature that I see any need for. I'm sure there is a way to do it but if I don't want that particular feature I'm not going to spend time looking for how to enable it. Paul -- Rogue Tory www.roguetory.org.uk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which shell irc client do you like ?
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:28:29 + (UTC), Christopher Nehren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-03-27, Paul Waring scribbled these curious markings: I run it from a screen session all the time and it works well once you get the hang of it. I think you can make it beep when new messages come in but because I run it on a remote server I've never bothered to look into/activate this feature. Surely you have screen(1) set up to show terminal beeps to you *somehow*, right? I personally prefer having it use esdplay because I usually have rhythmbox going, but you should be able to use a good ol' terminal bell. so how do you do the beep thingie ? Becuase i did not find it ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's an easy way to replace a drive?
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 07:55:13PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Can I boot from the FreeBSD boot CD and avoid mounting anything on any of the hard drives at all? (That's not a problem in this case, since the root is on a different drive, but if I ever had to replace the drive containing the root I'm just wondering how to go about it.) Use Disk2 - the live filesystem disk - for that purpose. If you boot from it, it puts you into sysinstall just like disk1, but you can select 'Fixit mode' from the main menu and get a shell prompt while running entirely of the CD. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 8 Dane Court Manor School Rd PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Tilmanstone Tel: +44 1304 617253 Kent, CT14 0JL UK pgp1u7Q5nwbr5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 4.x Opteron Question
On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 01:10:37PM -0800, NMH wrote: --- Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 08:50:22AM -0800, Boris Spirialitious wrote: When opteron support start for Freebsd? I have 4.9. is supported? Or 4.11 better? I can't use 5.x. Well, AMD64 support as a tier-1 platform only came in with 5.x, so you're S.O.L. if you have to use a 4.x release version. Will a i386 disk boot on opteron system? Can I use same disk image for intel and amd MBs? Any big problems? You can generally run AMD64 machines in IA32 mode -- but what would be the point? All you get then is a machine that costs more than an equivalent IA32 box and that probably performs worse. Actually, I use a ton of Opterons in IA32 mode that blow past the fastest pent 4's we tried. I have found them very stable, reliable and faster than the Pentium. (have not tried the Xeons) Of course they are even faster in 64 bit mode. But sadly most programs that I need don't work well or at all in 64 bit mode yet. Indeed yes. I stand corrected, and having had the opportunity to play with some Opteron kit since I wrote the reply above, I must agree that they do provide excellent performance in both IA32 and AMD64 modes. Prices aren't even too outrageous, considering the extra performance. Lead time for getting the kit is a little longer than for the Xeons, and our supplier can't do a 1U Opteron rack mount with dual power supplies yet, but those are minor considerations. Guess we're going to be getting a few more AMD64 boxes coming in, in future. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 8 Dane Court Manor School Rd PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Tilmanstone Tel: +44 1304 617253 Kent, CT14 0JL UK pgpNplBsOkta0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A Riddle
I sticky this thread as retarded. * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Apparently you can't read. I didn't say you were an idiot for running your own server. Only that you were an idiot to use your server to download tons of crap from lists that you don't want to read when for free you can have it stored elsewhere. I have a server, and a domain (several) and lots of other cool stuff. I got tired of wasting cpu cycles and disk space, considering that maybe 1 out of 20 messages actually interests me. You guys always complain about wasted bandwidth. Well if you use yahoo or gmail or aol then you don't waste any bandwidth of your own. You just read what you want to read. -Original Message- From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:31:58 -0600 Subject: Re: A Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Fabian Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:59:59 +0100 Subject: Re: A Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heavily weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid technical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? Please have a look at your own email address. As an aside, all of the major web mail providers default to top posting. Google (ever hear of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post. So if you bottom post, you don't see the message you want to see without having to make an effort. So when are you troglodytes going to climb out of your 1994 hibernations and get with the times? They don't default to top posting, they put the cursor on top, so you can read the whole message and cut irrelevant parts before replying. If Google doesn't display the whole message, the interface is crap. That's not the fault of anybody on this list. You may prefer one over the other, but its hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders. If you want to be read by as many people as possible on this list, the easiest way is to write well formed mails. Unfortunately, you are not only top posting, your mailing software also inserts line breaks where there shouldn't be any and makes it hard to see who wrote what. Have a look at the beginning of this mail. Your quotation is a mess. Anyone with a brain is using web mail for mailing lists these days: no more whining about spam or wasted bandwidth. Having a brain is good, but using it is even better. If the web interface produces garbage, changing the interface could be a smart move. Just my two brainless cents. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de *** Formatted correctly for ease of reading *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WRONG on all counts! Firstly, anyone who uses their own server for lists is a complete idiot. So - according to YOU, most all of us that run our own servers are idiots. Yanno what? You sound like the type that is forced to use his parents PC, Forced to use AOL, and forced to use web mail. So - since YOU can't have what most of us can and do have, you feel the need to lash out and verbally abuse. This is a classic case of the have-nots are beside them selfs over the haves. It's one thing to say something like: It's my opinion that (insert rhetoric here) Then to make a sweeping generalization as you just did. Shows us what kind a man (or boy) you are. Grow up - show some respect, don't insult - you will live longer when you do join society. And, as I said before - even tho you may bash us, think you are superior to us - we still love you anyways. Oh, and have a great day! -- Best regards, Chris If on an actuarial basis there is a 50 50 chance that something will go wrong, It will actually go wrong nine times out of ten. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
Re: which shell irc client do you like ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-03-27, Gert Cuykens scribbled these curious markings: Surely you have screen(1) set up to show terminal beeps to you *somehow*, right? I personally prefer having it use esdplay because I usually have rhythmbox going, but you should be able to use a good ol' terminal bell. so how do you do the beep thingie ? Becuase i did not find it ? By default, screen translates terminal bells into messages which are displayed at the bottom of the screen. The bad thing about this is that it dismisses such messages as soon as you hit a key. What this means is that if you're typing away at a document of some sort and someone mentions your nick on IRC, you may not notice. Using ^A-G (default keybindings) will make the bell audible, so that you'll be able to hear it. Whether your terminal emulation program that you use to log into the system translates it into something visual is another matter. If you want to always use this setting but you don't want to have to hit ^A-G every time you start screen, put this in a file named ~/.screenrc: vbell off And you'll never see that annoying visual bell ever again. Best Regards, Christopher Nehren -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCRvDnk/lo7zvzJioRAvQqAKCwMobp9DMHT/yNlEgeehsU97SS1wCdH6gp ZzWiNWqBEjNfFnvNcBLzaCA= =R0Kg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- I abhor a system designed for the user, if that word is a coded pejorative meaning stupid and unsophisticated. -- Ken Thompson If you ask the wrong questions, you get answers like 42 and God. Unix is user friendly. However, it isn't idiot friendly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
inetd vs standalone daemon
Is inetd a daemon that start other daemons ? Is sql and apache a standalone daemon ? Can i delete inetd ? I vote we get rid of inetd :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which shell irc client do you like ?
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:41:25 + (UTC), Christopher Nehren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-03-27, Gert Cuykens scribbled these curious markings: Surely you have screen(1) set up to show terminal beeps to you *somehow*, right? I personally prefer having it use esdplay because I usually have rhythmbox going, but you should be able to use a good ol' terminal bell. so how do you do the beep thingie ? Becuase i did not find it ? By default, screen translates terminal bells into messages which are displayed at the bottom of the screen. The bad thing about this is that it dismisses such messages as soon as you hit a key. What this means is that if you're typing away at a document of some sort and someone mentions your nick on IRC, you may not notice. Using ^A-G (default keybindings) will make the bell audible, so that you'll be able to hear it. Whether your terminal emulation program that you use to log into the system translates it into something visual is another matter. If you want to always use this setting but you don't want to have to hit ^A-G every time you start screen, put this in a file named ~/.screenrc: vbell off And you'll never see that annoying visual bell ever again. And how do you turn on beeps in irssi ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know, you spout all of this wonderful theory without considering the quality of the implementation. Somethings can be derived directly from theory. If you know the design of the hardware, you can predict that two processors will provide x% increment of throughput over a single processor, even if you don't actually measure them. In my case, I cite both theory and my own experience in measuring actual systems. The general principles of behavior of multiprocessor systems are well understood, although specific implementations vary. It is clear, based even on design data alone, that hyperthreading will generally improve throughput and should never diminish it (disregarding OS overhead). It is equally clear that the gain won't be as great as having physically independent processors, but the idea of putting more of the idle processor logic to work is a good one. And a key point that you consistently overlook is that FreeBSD 5.x is a particularly poor implementation of SMP. Linux and Dragonfly get 80% improvement in performance with a 2nd processor, and FreeBSD doesn't. I'd need to see measurements to substantiate this. In general, when it comes to optimization, it's best not to fret too much over how many percentage points of processor power or throughput you gain or lose with specific configuration or implementation choices. If your system is running so close to the wire that five percent makes the difference between 100% busy and less than 100% busy, you need more hardware in any case. The concept that the kernel is poorly implemented by userland is well done is just not an assumption that you can make. Actually, it's not something that I spend a lot of time thinking about. Right now, my production system is never more than 0.4% busy. And if it were 99% busy, I'd be looking at faster hardware, no matter what OS or HT/MP options I might have implemented. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Right. Thats what I said. You'll killl your networking. Beyond a certain network load, you have to increase the number of timer interrupts per second no matter how fast your processors are or how many of them you have, if you are polling your I/O interfaces instead of being driven from interrupts. I don't like the idea of routinely running 1000 timer interrupts per second, but I note that FreeBSD 6.x apparently is moving to this number (?). I'd prefer that it be readily configurable. There are other options but I'm not sure how well x86 hardware supports them. Having a very accurate, very high resolution elapsed-time counter on the processor(s) can help lower overhead by allowing the OS to get accurate time information without waiting for an interrupt and with execution of only a single instruction. Having programmable, very high resolution timers would help, too. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which shell irc client do you like ?
On 2005-03-27, Gert Cuykens scribbled these curious markings: And how do you turn on beeps in irssi ? /set beep_msg_level hilight I recommend perusing through irssi's online help. You'd be surprised at what's available (even *I'm* surprised, and I've been using it for a while; even tinkered with the Perl API). Best Regards, Christopher Nehren -- I abhor a system designed for the user, if that word is a coded pejorative meaning stupid and unsophisticated. -- Ken Thompson If you ask the wrong questions, you get answers like 42 and God. Unix is user friendly. However, it isn't idiot friendly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vinum Problem
On Sun, 2005-03-27 at 16:59, Ean Kingston wrote: On March 27, 2005 10:35 am, Robert Slade wrote: Hi, I have managed to setup a vinum volume using 2 striped disks, the volume is created and I can do newfs on it and mount it. However, when I set start_vinum=YES in rc.conf, vinum loads then I get panic, followed by hanging vnode. I'm using 5.3. Any pointers please. In 5.3, you need to use gvinum instead of vinum. To do this set start_vinum=NO in /etc/rc.conf and set geom_vinum_load=YES in /boot/loader.conf. gvinum will read your vinum configuration just fine so you only need to make the changes I suggested to get it to work. Althought this is documented, it is not what I would call 'well documented' yet. Ean, Thank you, that got me further, I appears to have created a new /dev/gvinum/test, which seems to the right size, but when I mount it as /test, I get not a directory when I try and ls it. I have tried to find documentation on geom, but that seems to be related to mirroring. Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Samba problems
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:02:44 +0200 Fabian Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alejandro Pulver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:37:51 +0100 Fabian Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alejandro Pulver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using FreeBSD 5.3 with Samba 3.0.7,1. I can read all files from a Windows 2000 Pro. But when I try to access a mount point that is an NTFS filesystem, I have no read permission (files and directories appear as zero length files) until I access them from the server machine (like doing an 'ls'). My configuration file is as follows: = BEGIN = # Samba config file created using SWAT # from 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) # Date: 2004/12/11 19:24:02 # Global parameters [global] workgroup = VARNET server string = FreeBSD 5.3 security = SHARE log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m max log size = 50 dns proxy = No [mnt] comment = Mounted Filesystems path = /mnt guest ok = Yes [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba printable = Yes browseable = No [ale] comment = Ale's Home DIrectory path = /home/ale guest ok = Yes = END === Note: I have subdirectories under '/mnt' like 'w2k', 'wxp', 'cam', and'tmp'. What am I doing wrong? Who owns the subdirectories and who is your guest user? My guest user is 'nobody', but I also tried with 'ale' and 'root' (wich owns the mount point). Did you see in samba's log that the guest user was changed? How did you change it, with guest user or with force user? As your problem can be reproduced, increasing samba's debug level might help. Samba should log why read access was denied. If you access the samba share with mount_smbfs, do you see the same behavior? The directory '/mnt/w2k' is owned by 'root' and the group 'wheel', the permissions are rwxr-xr-x. If you only want read access, this looks fine. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de Hello, Thank you for your reply. I saw in SWAT that the connection from the other machine was mapped to the desired local user in all cases (I tried nobody, ale and root). I used guest account = user. Something strange is happening: I can access the sahre '/mnt' (and 'w2k') with 'smbclient' (using the 'guest' user), but if I do it with 'mount_smbfs //[EMAIL PROTECTED]/mnt /home/ale/tmp' then the problem appears, even with 'root' (I can not see/access entries until I list them with any user from '/mnt/w2k'). I think the problem is with Samba, not 'mount_smbfs'. This message appears (many times) in debug level 0: [2005/03/27 15:04:38, 1] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(648) mariana (192.168.1.1) connect to service mnt initially as user nobody (uid=65534, gid=65534) (pid 1217)[2005/03/27 15:04:44, 0] locking/posix.c:posix_fcntl_lock(657) posix_fcntl_lock: WARNING: lock request at offset 0, length 4096 returned[2005/03/27 15:04:44, 0] locking/posix.c:posix_fcntl_lock(658) an Invalid argument error. This can happen when using 64 bit lock offsets[2005/03/27 15:04:44, 0] locking/posix.c:posix_fcntl_lock(659) on 32 bit NFS mounted file systems. The other message I noticed (but I think it is not an error) in level 3 is: [2005/03/27 14:16:19, 2] auth/auth.c:check_ntlm_password(312) check_ntlm_password: Authentication for user [nobody] - [nobody] FAILED with error NT_STATUS_WRONG_PASSWORD[2005/03/27 14:16:19, 3] auth/auth.c:check_ntlm_password(219) check_ntlm_password: Checking password for unmapped user [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the new password interface[2005/03/27 14:16:19, 3] auth/auth.c:check_ntlm_password(222) check_ntlm_password: mapped user is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The one that also called my attention was: [2005/03/27 14:16:30, 3] smbd/error.c:error_packet(105) error string = Is a directory [2005/03/27 14:16:30, 3] smbd/error.c:error_packet(129) error packet at smbd/nttrans.c(862) cmd=162 (SMBntcreateX) NT_STATUS_FILE_IS_A_DIRECTORY However I do not know about the internal working of Samba so perhaps I missed some important messages. I made different logs with different debug levels. They are in ftp://ftp.varnet.to (public FTP) in a directory called samba_logs. The local machine is called ale and the other mariana. The best log in level 3 is in the directory log.3_2. Thanks and Best Regards, Ale ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: inetd vs standalone daemon
On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 07:46:09PM +0200, Gert Cuykens wrote: Can i delete inetd ? Why would you want to? Just don't enable it from /etc/rc.conf and you'll be fine. If you need it, you can always enable it later. Many machines run just fine without inetd. It all depends what you wanna do. I vote we get rid of inetd :) No. With inetd, you can also turn regular filters into network aware programs (sort of). And not every network service is always needed all the time. Having a deamon for each of those seldom used services hanging around is just wastful. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: inetd vs standalone daemon
Is inetd a daemon that start other daemons ? YES Is sql and apache a standalone daemon ? YES Can i delete inetd ? Just don't start it at boot time I vote we get rid of inetd :) It's your box, do what ever you want ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: inetd vs standalone daemon
At 02:05 PM 3/27/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 07:46:09PM +0200, Gert Cuykens wrote: I vote we get rid of inetd :) No. With inetd, you can also turn regular filters into network aware programs (sort of). And not every network service is always needed all the time. Having a deamon for each of those seldom used services hanging around is just wastful. How much wasting is going on though? Can I get a good feel for resources consumed by looking at 'top'? I'm happy with my set up the way it is and am just asking in the hopes of learning more than I know (not very hard at this point). Marty Marty Landman, Face 2 Interface Inc. 845-679-9387 Search Sort Easily: http://face2interface.com/Products/FormATable.shtml Web Installed Formmail: http://face2interface.com/formINSTal ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: inetd vs standalone daemon
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:05:11 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 07:46:09PM +0200, Gert Cuykens wrote: Can i delete inetd ? Why would you want to? Just don't enable it from /etc/rc.conf and you'll be fine. If you need it, you can always enable it later. Many machines run just fine without inetd. It all depends what you wanna do. I vote we get rid of inetd :) No. With inetd, you can also turn regular filters into network aware programs (sort of). And not every network service is always needed all the time. Having a deamon for each of those seldom used services hanging around is just wastful. i think its less wasteful cpu time to run separate daemons then to run 1 big daemon. Because the big daemon needs to find out which service it needs to start every time a fedex guy is knocking at the door while a separate daemon already knows what it needs to do before the fedex guy is standing at the door. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: inetd vs standalone daemon
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:13:00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is inetd a daemon that start other daemons ? YES Is sql and apache a standalone daemon ? YES Can i delete inetd ? Just don't start it at boot time and that would be (rc.conf) inetd_enable=NO ? I vote we get rid of inetd :) It's your box, do what ever you want So how do we remove it from freebsd ? Please let it be a pkg_delete :) If not witch freebsd source developer do i need to pull his leg to remove it from source into a pkg ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: inetd vs standalone daemon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-03-27, Gert Cuykens scribbled these curious markings: Is inetd a daemon that start other daemons ? Kind of. Its manual page is very descriptive. Is sql and apache a standalone daemon ? SQL is (or is not, depending upon whom you believe) the Structured Query Language. It's a standard, a concept, an idea. It has no representation as software. Certain implementations of SQL, however, in server-based environments manifest themselves as daemons, yes. Certain other implementations in server-like environments don't manifest themselves as daemons (e.g. SQLite). Apache can be run either way, but I've never found a need to run it under inetd. It's always served me well in standalone mode. Can i delete inetd ? I wouldn't. Why do you want to do so? Besides, unless you add the appropriate flag somewhere in your buildworld infrastructure, it'll be built and reinstalled when you update your base system anyway. I vote we get rid of inetd :) And I vote that you research your votes before making them. Best Regards, Christopher Nehren -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCRxSuk/lo7zvzJioRAkQyAKCFyKQqlkY45qBHNgiEno1mfGD7rwCfc9ZD vFw39yYDXVwRd+wGEvNSOEI= =1oct -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- I abhor a system designed for the user, if that word is a coded pejorative meaning stupid and unsophisticated. -- Ken Thompson If you ask the wrong questions, you get answers like 42 and God. Unix is user friendly. However, it isn't idiot friendly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: inetd vs standalone daemon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-03-27, Gert Cuykens scribbled these curious markings: So how do we remove it from freebsd ? Please let it be a pkg_delete :) If not witch freebsd source developer do i need to pull his leg to remove it from source into a pkg ? Here's a bit of basic information about FreeBSD. Despite what you may have learned about Linux, having every single file in the system managed by a package is *NOT* a good idea[1]. You end up with systems lacking compilers[2] that way, which confuse new users who try to build software. inetd is not part of any package, and I hope that it never will be. inetd is part of FreeBSD's base system -- the collection of software, documentation, c. that the FreeBSD group maintains on their own, separate from the Ports Collection which is (for the most part) composed entirely of third-party software. I will admit that this doesn't permit for the granularity available in Linux distributions. But personally, I don't want that sort of granularity. I don't want to have to *worry* about installing a compiler, OpenSSL, and the like. I just want to tell it to install everything and have it *actually* install everything. If you want to make a fully package-based version of FreeBSD, where everything from /bin/ls to /usr/sbin/inetd is a package, then by all means do so. You won't even be alone in your desire. I seem to remember a group of people vocalising a request for this a while ago. You'll never be able to count me as a user, though. :) [1]: I'm not exactly pleased with the distributions concept when you install, but since I always select All anyway, it's a moot point I suppose. [2]: And other crucial things like OpenSSL, which even crops up on FreeBSD from time to time. Best Regards, Christopher Nehren -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCRxbyk/lo7zvzJioRAuY6AJ97blX5BpXNuvL96dK2yHdKeS8NKACgqd/r P8L8J/sI8CveGycvd0yv/cg= =ytvh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- I abhor a system designed for the user, if that word is a coded pejorative meaning stupid and unsophisticated. -- Ken Thompson If you ask the wrong questions, you get answers like 42 and God. Unix is user friendly. However, it isn't idiot friendly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: inetd vs standalone daemon
Im still confused as to your questions.. again.. most of these are answered by a simple glance at the FreeBSD handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-inetd.html If you want to remove the inetd binary from your system .. go for it... There are those who still use it as a wrapper for other services... such at identd (auth) or even finger As far as removing it from sources.. you could try to pull a freebsd source developers leg but I assume you wont get very far.. The Fed-Ex metaphor is interesting but not really relevent to all services wrapped in inetd.. T - Original Message - From: Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:01 PM Subject: Re: inetd vs standalone daemon On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:13:00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is inetd a daemon that start other daemons ? YES Is sql and apache a standalone daemon ? YES Can i delete inetd ? Just don't start it at boot time and that would be (rc.conf) inetd_enable=NO ? I vote we get rid of inetd :) It's your box, do what ever you want So how do we remove it from freebsd ? Please let it be a pkg_delete :) If not witch freebsd source developer do i need to pull his leg to remove it from source into a pkg ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which shell irc client do you like ?
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:13:18 + (UTC), Christopher Nehren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2005-03-27, Gert Cuykens scribbled these curious markings: And how do you turn on beeps in irssi ? /set beep_msg_level hilight I recommend perusing through irssi's online help. You'd be surprised at what's available (even *I'm* surprised, and I've been using it for a while; even tinkered with the Perl API). Thx ps how do you do /set | more in irc language ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which shell irc client do you like ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-03-27, Gert Cuykens scribbled these curious markings: Thx ps how do you do /set | more in irc language ? Have you tried using the backscroll, accessible (in irssi at least) with Page Up / Page Down? Best Regards, Christopher Nehren -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCRxu9k/lo7zvzJioRAkSDAJ9haweGhIh26RzklyJhilgupulATQCeJVi4 zI7WihLvMPa9ieub338Ss6Q= =Rn6H -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- I abhor a system designed for the user, if that word is a coded pejorative meaning stupid and unsophisticated. -- Ken Thompson If you ask the wrong questions, you get answers like 42 and God. Unix is user friendly. However, it isn't idiot friendly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
On Saturday 26 March 2005 22:45, Anthony Atkielski wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, the theory is very nice; you've done a nice job reading Intel's marketing garb. I haven't read their marketing materials. I'm simply going by the technical descriptions I've read of the architecture. However if you don't have a specific hyperthreading-aware scheduler and particularly well-written, threaded applications, you'll lose more than you'll gain. If that were true, then it would be equally true of systems with actual multiple physical processors. In practice, multiple processors provide an obvious performance gain, and hyperthreading does, too, although it's much more modest than the gain obtained from physically independent processors. The situation is very different. Multiple processors can run multiple processes at the same time. A HT processor can only run two threads from the same process. And most software isn't multithreaded. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which shell irc client do you like ?
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:45:04 + (UTC), Christopher Nehren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-03-27, Gert Cuykens scribbled these curious markings: Thx ps how do you do /set | more in irc language ? Have you tried using the backscroll, accessible (in irssi at least) with Page Up / Page Down? no :P ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
more problems with 5.3 and TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA
I got this annoying problem when upgradeing to 5.3, the miniinst iso blurps out TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA when it starts writing base to my disk. And when I tried to first install 5.2.1 and upgrade (cvsup, make buildworld etc.. ) to 5.3 that way everything seems fine until I reboot to single-user-mode, as soon as Im starting to write anything to the disk it´s blurping out those errors.. I have diagnosticed my disk, checked my cabling and fixed my PSU (installed a brand new one). No difference. I noticed that my ide-controller was supported in 4.11, but not? in 5.3, is that realy true? seems very strange... Sence I duel boot with Wintendo/Lunix and don´t see this problem with those oses I´m very confused of what to do next.. I´ll tried some snapshots to but no luck... / Mike ps My dmesg goes in the attachment, in hope for a patch/solution to this problem. ds Copyright (c) 1992-2004 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Feb 23 20:45:55 GMT 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Preloaded elf kernel /boot/kernel/kernel at 0xc0e6d000. Preloaded mfs_root /boot/mfsroot at 0xc0e6d244. Preloaded elf module /boot/kernel/acpi.ko at 0xc0e6d288. ACPI APIC Table: ASUS P4S533 Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz (2400.10-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0xf24 Stepping = 4 Features=0x3febfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM real memory = 268419072 (255 MB) avail memory = 246906880 (235 MB) ioapic0 Version 0.0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled npx0: [FAST] npx0: math processor on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface acpi0: ASUS P4S533 on motherboard acpi0: Overriding SCI Interrupt from IRQ 9 to IRQ 20 pcibios: BIOS version 2.10 Using $PIR table, 10 entries at 0xc00f1b10 acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter ACPI-fast frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: 24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0xe408-0xe40b on acpi0 acpi_cpu0: CPU on acpi0 acpi_button0: Power Button on acpi0 pcib0: ACPI Host-PCI bridge port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: ACPI PCI bus on pcib0 agp0: SIS Generic host to PCI bridge mem 0xe800-0xebff at device 0.0 on pci0 pcib1: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: ACPI PCI bus on pcib1 pci1: display, VGA at device 0.0 (no driver attached) isab0: PCI-ISA bridge at device 2.0 on pci0 isa0: ISA bus on isab0 ohci0: SiS 5571 USB controller mem 0xe680-0xe6800fff irq 20 at device 2.2 on pci0 usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb0: SMM does not respond, resetting usb0: SiS 5571 USB controller on ohci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: SiS OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered ohci1: SiS 5571 USB controller mem 0xe600-0xe6000fff irq 23 at device 2.3 on pci0 usb1: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb1: SMM does not respond, resetting usb1: SiS 5571 USB controller on ohci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: SiS OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered ums0: Microsoft Microsoft 5-Button Mouse with IntelliEye(TM), rev 1.10/3.00, addr 2, iclass 3/1 ums0: 5 buttons and Z dir. atapci0: SiS 5513 UDMA33 controller port 0xd800-0xd80f at device 2.5 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata0: [MPSAFE] ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 ata1: [MPSAFE] pci0: multimedia, audio at device 5.0 (no driver attached) rl0: RealTek 8139 10/100BaseTX port 0xa400-0xa4ff mem 0xe500-0xe5ff irq 17 at device 9.0 on pci0 rl0: Ethernet address: 00:c1:26:0e:fe:f5 miibus0: MII bus on rl0 rlphy0: RealTek internal media interface on miibus0 rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto fdc0: Enhanced floppy controller (i82077, NE72065 or clone) port 0x3f7,0x3f2-0x3f5 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1440-KB 3.5 drive on fdc0 drive 0 ppc0 port 0x778-0x77b,0x378-0x37f irq 7 drq 3 on acpi0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/16 bytes threshold ppbus0: Parallel port bus on ppc0 plip0: PLIP network interface on ppbus0 lpt0: Printer on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: Parallel I/O on ppbus0 sio0 port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A sio1 port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on acpi0 sio1: type 16550A atkbdc0: Keyboard controller (i8042) port 0x64,0x60 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: AT Keyboard flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 orm0: Option ROM at iomem 0xd-0xd3fff on isa0 pmtimer0 on isa0 sc0: System console at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA 16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300 vga0: Generic ISA VGA at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa-0xb on isa0 Timecounter TSC frequency 2400095416 Hz quality 800 Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec md0: Preloaded image
Re: more problems with 5.3 and TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA
I had this same issue on an older AMD Nforce board. 5.2.1 seemed to install and run.. but moving to 5.3 gave me issues. I tinkered with the DMA settings in the BIOS.. to no avail. The Geometry seemed to be off on the drive I noticed (IBM deskstar) when I newfs'd it.. so I changed out drives.. but never got it working.. I eventually just dropped Gentoo on it. What chipset, drive controller hard drive are you using on this system? T - Original Message - From: Mike Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: more problems with 5.3 and TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA I got this annoying problem when upgradeing to 5.3, the miniinst iso blurps out TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA when it starts writing base to my disk. And when I tried to first install 5.2.1 and upgrade (cvsup, make buildworld etc.. ) to 5.3 that way everything seems fine until I reboot to single-user-mode, as soon as Im starting to write anything to the disk it´s blurping out those errors.. I have diagnosticed my disk, checked my cabling and fixed my PSU (installed a brand new one). No difference. I noticed that my ide-controller was supported in 4.11, but not? in 5.3, is that realy true? seems very strange... Sence I duel boot with Wintendo/Lunix and don´t see this problem with those oses I´m very confused of what to do next.. I´ll tried some snapshots to but no luck... / Mike ps My dmesg goes in the attachment, in hope for a patch/solution to this problem. ds ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
RW writes: Multiple processors can run multiple processes at the same time. A HT processor can only run two threads from the same process. This is incorrect. HT processors don't care where the threads come from; it is possible to run threads from two completely different processes on the same HT processor. The threads have completely independent architectural states and can come from anywhere in the system. However, the design of hyperthreading favors a certain amount of commonality between the contexts of each thread. While it's best to have different instruction mixes, it helps if both threads are executing in the same memory spaces, since resources such as on-device cache are shared between the threads in the HT processor. Completely different threads in different processes executing out of different areas of memory might cause more contention for cache and similar resources (TLB, etc.), diminishing the advantage of hyperthreading. Also, spin waits need special consideration on HT processors. If one thread spins on a gate or semaphore held by the other thread, it effectively slows the other thread down, keeping both threads moving more slowly than they might if they were in completely separate processors. A solution for this suggested by Intel is the PAUSE instruction, which forces complete execution of a spin-wait instruction before the next execution can begin, thus freeing resources for the other thread in the processor. Intel recommends the use of PAUSE even when HT processors are not being used. Still another recommendation is to schedule first physically independent processors, then HT logical processors. This requires that the OS be aware of the difference between the two. This usually makes more efficient use of processor resources, except for some very specific cases where running two threads on the same HT processor might run as fast or faster than running them separately (if they are referencing a lot of the same shared resources, such as cache). Intel claims up to a 30% improvement in throughput for an HT processor as compared to a normal processor. For truly separate physical processors, the improvement is more like 60%, and possibly much more. Hyperthreading should not be seen as a substitute for multiple processors. It's more like a way to make better use of each processor. Hyperthreading is especially useful when multiple execution threads exist in a common context, such as multithreaded daemons or multithreaded desktop applications. In these situations, the HT architecture is used to the fullest, with corresponding improvements in performance. Recent changes in FreeBSD architecture to allow a multithreaded kernel are among the situations in which hyperthreading can be put to good use. The new multithreaded architecture of Apache 2.x should also be able to put HT to good use. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
upgrading net-snmp-5.2.1 gives error
Hello all, portupgrading net-snmp-5.2.1 doesn't seem to work on my machine: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.6/mach/auto/SNMP/SNMP.so: Undefined symbol perl_get_sv *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net-mgmt/net-snmp/work/net-snmp-5.2.1. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net-mgmt/net-snmp. ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa /tmp/portupgrade3553.1 make ** Fix the problem and try again. I am running FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p5 #7. Anybody any idea what can be wrong and what can be done about it? Thanks, -- Gustaaf Wijnands ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: more problems with 5.3 and TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:32:43 -0800, Thomas Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had this same issue I´ll have seen some more posts on the list with about the same problem therefore, I hope some bright one will take alook at the code.. and post something smart.. I´m very much stuck, hopeing any new snapshot will work.. on an older AMD Nforce board. 5.2.1 seemed to install and run.. but moving to 5.3 gave me issues. I tinkered with the DMA settings in the BIOS.. to no avail. The Geometry seemed to be off on the drive I noticed (IBM deskstar) when I newfs'd it.. so I changed out drives.. but never got it working.. I eventually just dropped Gentoo on it. What chipset, drive controller hard drive are you using on this system? http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=atasektion=4manpath=FreeBSD+5.3-RELEASE I´ll notised that my idecontroller IS supported by the ata-driver, witch makes it even stranger.. (I think I will check on my cabling once more, even if it´s a newly installed _rounded_ 32 pin cable..) My atacontroller: SiS 5513 My HDD: Seagate 200 GB T - Original Message - From: Mike Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: more problems with 5.3 and TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA I got this annoying problem when upgradeing to 5.3, the miniinst iso blurps out TIMEOUT - WRITE_DMA when it starts writing base to my disk. And when I tried to first install 5.2.1 and upgrade (cvsup, make buildworld etc.. ) to 5.3 that way everything seems fine until I reboot to single-user-mode, as soon as Im starting to write anything to the disk it´s blurping out those errors.. I have diagnosticed my disk, checked my cabling and fixed my PSU (installed a brand new one). No difference. I noticed that my ide-controller was supported in 4.11, but not? in 5.3, is that realy true? seems very strange... Sence I duel boot with Wintendo/Lunix and don´t see this problem with those oses I´m very confused of what to do next.. I´ll tried some snapshots to but no luck... / Mike ps My dmesg goes in the attachment, in hope for a patch/solution to this problem. ds ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrading net-snmp-5.2.1 gives error
Does it compile WITH_PERL=NO ? what version of autoconf and libtool are you using? and perl -v returns what version? what happens after running ldconfig -R T - Original Message - From: gustaaf wijnands [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: upgrading net-snmp-5.2.1 gives error Hello all, portupgrading net-snmp-5.2.1 doesn't seem to work on my machine: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.6/mach/auto/SNMP/SNMP.so: Undefined symbol perl_get_sv *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net-mgmt/net-snmp/work/net-snmp-5.2.1. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net-mgmt/net-snmp. ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa /tmp/portupgrade3553.1 make ** Fix the problem and try again. I am running FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p5 #7. Anybody any idea what can be wrong and what can be done about it? Thanks, -- Gustaaf Wijnands ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which shell irc client do you like ?
Christopher Nehren wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-03-27, Gert Cuykens scribbled these curious markings: Thx ps how do you do /set | more in irc language ? Have you tried using the backscroll, accessible (in irssi at least) with Page Up / Page Down? Just curious if you folks have tried the mozilla application, available only from mozilla (not firefox) called chatzilla? I have tried nearly all of the other IRC clients, it's not a minimal one, but it's very very nice. Best Regards, Christopher Nehren -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCRxu9k/lo7zvzJioRAkSDAJ9haweGhIh26RzklyJhilgupulATQCeJVi4 zI7WihLvMPa9ieub338Ss6Q= =Rn6H -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which shell irc client do you like ?
On 2005-03-27, Chuck Robey scribbled these curious markings: Just curious if you folks have tried the mozilla application, available only from mozilla (not firefox) called chatzilla? I have tried nearly all of the other IRC clients, it's not a minimal one, but it's very very nice. I personally try to keep things as console-based as possible. screen, irssi, elinks, mutt, slrn and vim are my best friends. I'd be in serious trouble if ncurses broke. :) Best Regards, Christopher Nehren -- I abhor a system designed for the user, if that word is a coded pejorative meaning stupid and unsophisticated. -- Ken Thompson If you ask the wrong questions, you get answers like 42 and God. Unix is user friendly. However, it isn't idiot friendly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrading net-snmp-5.2.1 gives error
Thomas Foster wrote: Does it compile WITH_PERL=NO ? It doesn't compile WITHOUT_PERL=yes what version of autoconf and libtool are you using? pkg_info |grep autoconf autoconf-2.13.000227_5 Automatically configure source code on many Un*x platforms autoconf-2.59_2 Automatically configure source code on many Un*x platforms pkg_info |grep libtool libtool-1.3.5_2 Generic shared library support script (version 1.3) libtool-1.5.10_1Generic shared library support script (version 1.5) and perl -v returns what version? perl -v This is perl, v5.8.6 built for i386-freebsd-64int perl -V Summary of my perl5 (revision 5 version 8 subversion 6) configuration: Platform: osname=freebsd, osvers=5.3-release-p5, archname=i386-freebsd-64int uname='freebsd laptop.intern 5.3-release-p5 freebsd 5.3-release-p5 #7: wed ja n 26 21:10:23 cet 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:usrobjusrsrcsysmykernel i386 ' config_args='-sde -Dprefix=/usr/local -Darchlib=/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.6/mach -Dprivlib=/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.6 -Dman3dir=/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.6/perl /man/man3 -Dman1dir=/usr/local/man/man1 -Dsitearch=/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl /5.8.6/mach -Dsitelib=/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.6 -Dscriptdir=/usr/local /bin -Dsiteman3dir=/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.6/man/man3 -Dsiteman1dir=/usr/local/m an/man1 -Ui_malloc -Ui_iconv -Uinstallusrbinperl -Dcc=cc -Doptimize=-O -pipe -Du seshrplib -Dccflags=-DAPPLLIB_EXP=/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.6/BSDPAN -Ud_dosuid -Ui_gdbm -Dusethreads=n -Dusemymalloc=y -Duse64bitint' hint=recommended, useposix=true, d_sigaction=define usethreads=undef use5005threads=undef useithreads=undef usemultiplicity=undef useperlio=define d_sfio=undef uselargefiles=define usesocks=undef use64bitint=define use64bitall=undef uselongdouble=undef usemymalloc=y, bincompat5005=undef Compiler: cc='cc', ccflags ='-DAPPLLIB_EXP=/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.6/BSDPAN -DHAS_FP SETMASK -DHAS_FLOATINGPOINT_H -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -I/usr/local/include', optimize='-O -pipe ', cppflags='-DAPPLLIB_EXP=/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.6/BSDPAN -DHAS_FPSETMASK - DHAS_FLOATINGPOINT_H -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -I/usr/local/include' ccversion='', gccversion='3.4.2 [FreeBSD] 20040728', gccosandvers='' intsize=4, longsize=4, ptrsize=4, doublesize=8, byteorder=12345678 d_longlong=define, longlongsize=8, d_longdbl=define, longdblsize=12 ivtype='long long', ivsize=8, nvtype='double', nvsize=8, Off_t='off_t', lseek size=8 alignbytes=4, prototype=define Linker and Libraries: ld='cc', ldflags =' -Wl,-E -L/usr/local/lib' libpth=/usr/lib /usr/local/lib libs=-lm -lcrypt -lutil perllibs=-lm -lcrypt -lutil libc=, so=so, useshrplib=true, libperl=libperl.so gnulibc_version='' Dynamic Linking: dlsrc=dl_dlopen.xs, dlext=so, d_dlsymun=undef, ccdlflags=' -Wl,-R/usr/local/ lib/perl5/5.8.6/mach/CORE' cccdlflags='-DPIC -fPIC', lddlflags='-shared -L/usr/local/lib' Characteristics of this binary (from libperl): Compile-time options: USE_64_BIT_INT USE_LARGE_FILES Locally applied patches: SUIDPERLIO0 - fix PERLIO_DEBUG local root exploit (CAN-2005-0155) SUIDPERLIO1 - fix PERLIO_DEBUG buffer overflow (CAN-2005-0156) Built under freebsd Compiled at Feb 6 2005 20:47:58 @INC: /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.6/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.6 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.6/BSDPAN /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.6/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.6 . what happens after running ldconfig -R still the same error. Any idea? Thank for helping me -- Gustaaf Wijnands ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Does QEMU support Windows VPN ? (5th try)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been trying to connect from my FreeBSD box to a Microsoft VPN. I am running Windows 2000 Pro and also Windows Millennium inside QEMU. I have also tried using both -user-net and /dev/tun0 connections. The connections fail while trying to authenticate my name and password. What does the port maintainer say? The port maintainer has not replied to my email I sent them. Am I the only one trying to use Microsoft's VPN and RemoteAccess software from within QEMU ? We use poptop from the ports and it works fine for Microsoft's PPP VPN client. If you want my notes on how to set it up and configure it just ask. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AWK in 4.X different from 5.X?
On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 12:09:03PM -0500, Francisco Reyes wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Mario Hoerich wrote:
Now I just wonder how to get date in my output. :-(
Well, if nothing else helps there's always system(date).
However, you could also install lang/gawk.
Since this was from a shell script I did
date | awk '{print #$1 $2 - $3 - $6}'
How about:
date +#%a %b - %d - %Y
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Help!
Every time I turn round, someone is telling me that I should update to a more recent version of freeBSD. Each time I try, I encounter nothing but trouble. Before I even begin: *CAN* freeBSD be installed on the fourth of four SCSI disk drives on the second of two SCSI cards? I know of no way to record the error messages other than with pencil and paper -- not a very efficient method in this computer age, especially when one is in the throes of frustration. I tried some time ago, updating to 4.5, the latest version for which I have a CDROM. When I encountered problems and queried this list, I received a message to the effect that the installer should quit working after X years. Perhaps that was tongue in cheek but it was singularly unhelpful. So, I continued to use 3.4 which, aside from the fact that I can't add anything new or update any ports or ... has stood me in good stead for years. Finally getting tired of using netscape 4.76 -- I've been unsuccessful at finding any modern browser that I can install under 3.4 -- and having it crashed by modern web sites, I decided to try again. I fetched the floppy images for 4.11 -- I have no interest in 5.x, 4.x is far enough removed from real BSD that I wouldn't go that route it I had a choice. Busy with other things, I finally got round to trying an ftp install today. Before I proceed, I suppose that I'd best tell you what my system comprises: M'board:Intel D845WN CPU:P4, 2.4GHz, 478, 512K, 400MHz FSB Memory: Crucial 512MB, 168-pin, DIMM 64Mx64, PC133 SDRAM Case: Antec Sonata with Antec TruePower supply. SCSI cards (presently, the Adaptec is in the PCI slot closer to the CPU): Adaptec 2940 Tekram DC-390U2W Ethernet; Intel PRO100S Disk drives (The first three are on the 2940, the fourth on the Tekram): IBM DORS-32160 WA0A, 2GB (from original system, with leftover freeBSD 2.1.5 stuff, no longer bootable.) Seagate ST34501N 0015, 4GB (with freeBSD 3.4) Seagate ST39216N 0010, 9GB (/home -- no OS) Seagate ST318517W 0105, 18GB (on which I tried to install 4.5 before and 4.11 today. CDROM drive:Plextor (don't recall specs.) Video card: Matrox Millennium G400, AGP4X, 32MB SGRAM Oh -- FWIW, I'm also running XFree86 4.1.0 although that should not be relevant to the installation problem but, like the feller says, for the sake of completeness... (I'll append -- at the end of this message -- dmesg from latest boot after unsuccessful installation to cover anything that I've forgotten. This system has simply evolved over the years.) I hope I won't forget any parts of this; I had to get back to 3.4 in order to be able to do this e-mail. I got through the fdisk and disklabel (re)configuration of the fourth disk onto which I planned to install freeBSD 4.11 (having selected Standard Install) Here's what I tried to set up as (Unix) partitions (remember this is on the 18GB drive): /128MB # Thought this should be more than enough swap 512MB /usr4196MB /var 512MB /usr/local 4196MB /tmp 512MB /spare # Everything else -- to be disposed of later. I then proceeded to choose the installation package or whatever it's called -- I chose ALL and then replied yes to the query about installing the ports collection. I believe that the next query was the choice of installation medium; I chose (the first) ftp and the first (ftp.freebsd.org?) server in the list and fetching the bits and pieces began. Within a very few minutes, the installer complained that it had run out of space on / -- why it would have tried to fetch everything to the root partition is beyond me but that's what it said. Oh -- there was one previous complaint about not being able to create a swap partition that I'd requested as partition b. I don't understand that, either. Aside (just in case it may be relevant): Recently, I've not been able to boot the CDROM. I had no reason to try when I rebuilt the system some time ago with the Intel m'board and Antec case. I first noticed it some time ago when I tried to install 4.5. I had never had a problem with the old Gigabyte m'board system. As I said, I don't know if this is relevant but thought I'd better mention it just in case. Here's the dmesg output: Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE #6: Tue Jun 29 08:43:56 MDT 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/compile/KERNEL.CRS Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter TSC frequency 2392250892 Hz CPU: unknown (2392.25-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0xf27 Stepping = 7
cvsup, portupgrade, installing ports, and firewalls
I've got the pf firewall installed, and every time I run cvsup, portupgrade or try to install ports, I have to disable it. What outgoing and incoming ports do I need to allow in order to run these without disabling the firewall? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anthony's drive issues.Re: ssh password delay
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: In a case like this it is very likely a BSD driver issue - why, because the FreeBSD driver author could not test with every custom-modified microcode when he wrote the driver. There is no list out there of every computer company who has had a source license to the Adaptec microcode and made modifications to it. And naturally you would assume that anyone making mods to the SCSI microcode would have the brains not to break it. In this case that didn't happen. Most likely HP modified the Adaptec microcode because of bugs in the disks that they were supplying with the original Vectras. I wouldn't automatically assume that there were _bugs_ in the disks. Not for the Seagate that you have but as I've said before I've had problems with Quantum SCSI disk drives on other controllers, in different systems, and even on NT. And, HP used to manufacture their own SCSI disks, as I recall they stopped doing it sometime around that era. They put special firmware that supported some extra features in the HP 6000 and S800/900 (like sector atomicity, patent EP565855, anyone remember that) in them, and did that up until 1996. I also recall issues with the HP disks on certain controllers. I suspect that some of those Vectra servers were sold with HP disks in them. ... and b) Anthony is convinced that his Vectra has an Adaptec chipset and microcode that runs that chipset that is pefectly good and identically compliant to every other Adaptec chipset ... I don't recall ever saying anything about the microcode, only the hardware. OK, but let's just say that the way you were using the terminology you wern't differentiating the microcode from the aic7880 chipset. Granted, we on the list overlooked this as well - nobody asked you early on to post the firmware versions of the Adaptec controller. We all I think assumed that HP just used the Adaptec aic7880 with the regular Adaptec firmware/microcode. With that sort of attitude if he were to approach the author of the ahc() driver he would be told to stick his head up his ass. Whereas Microsoft just modified the OS to accommodate the special microcode. That's why Microsoft is number one. You also pay Microsoft for their stuff - makes a big difference - my guess if you contacted the ahc() developer and offered to pay him the cost of an NT server license he would be more than happy to mod the driver no matter how much of an asshole you chose to be to him. (or her) In any case if you meet the driver author halfway and don't approach it like it's his driver that's broken, but rather that your hardware isn't exactly compliant, (regardless of what you really believe) you won't be put into the anal insertion category. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help!
Charlie Sorsby writes: Every time I turn round, someone is telling me that I should update to a more recent version of freeBSD. Each time I try, I encounter nothing but trouble. If the version you are currently running does what you require, there is no reason for you to update, no matter what anyone says. I tried some time ago, updating to 4.5, the latest version for which I have a CDROM. When I encountered problems and queried this list, I received a message to the effect that the installer should quit working after X years. Perhaps that was tongue in cheek but it was singularly unhelpful. Nobody suggested that you replace all your hardware? Well, you were lucky, then. Newer versions of FreeBSD never have bugs; if they don't work on a system that worked with an older version of FreeBSD, the only possibility is that the hardware somehow failed while you were installing the newer version. I've been told this again and again when I've had problems, but I obstinately refuse to believe it just because someone says it is so. So, I continued to use 3.4 which, aside from the fact that I can't add anything new or update any ports or ... has stood me in good stead for years. If it works, don't change it. Don't listen to the upgrade fanatics who constantly install the latest bleeding-edge releases of the OS simply because they don't have anything better to do. Never fix what isn't broken. Finally getting tired of using netscape 4.76 -- I've been unsuccessful at finding any modern browser that I can install under 3.4 -- and having it crashed by modern web sites, I decided to try again. Ah, that's different ... at least in that case you have a reason to upgrade. I daresay that lynx will probably run under 3.4, but it's not a very exciting browser. I fetched the floppy images for 4.11 -- I have no interest in 5.x, 4.x is far enough removed from real BSD that I wouldn't go that route it I had a choice. Where and what is real BSD? Within a very few minutes, the installer complained that it had run out of space on / -- why it would have tried to fetch everything to the root partition is beyond me but that's what it said. For what it's worth, I have about 128 MB in use on / after a standard install of 5.3, which is no doubt bigger than 4.x, but you may still be getting close. I put 2 GB on /, and 7% is in use. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anthony's drive issues.Re: ssh password delay
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: Actually it was a waste to you because you don't want to try anything, but it wasn't a waste to others on the list. It was a waste to me because nobody knows what the problem is or how to fix it, and the only suggestions I got were that the hardware was failing, which I know isn't true. And to test with just one disk on the controller, specifically the Seagate, but also with just the Quantum, to eliminate a possible bad interaction between the disks and to eliminate possible incompatible firmware in either of the disks to that of the Adaptec controller. Since you haven't done that we still don't know if possibly it would work fine with only one of the disks on the chain. When trying to troubleshoot a problem you make a conjecture as to what the problem might be then you test for it. I guess it's a good thing that nobody conjectured that it might be bad utility power, or I'd have to switch to a new nuclear plant in order to troubleshooot the problem. It would have been an invalid conjecture because while your utility power might be bad, the power your getting from your UPS certainly isn't. I do assume you have this on a UPS, right? Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anthony's drive issues.Re: ssh password delay
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: You also pay Microsoft for their stuff - makes a big difference ... The rest of FreeBSD seems to have been written without any checks from me. ... my guess if you contacted the ahc() developer and offered to pay him the cost of an NT server license he would be more than happy to mod the driver no matter how much of an asshole you chose to be to him. (or her) I probably still have a pristine copy of NT Server in a sealed box somewhere. I think I bought several copies. I know I have a sealed box of Office 97, since it's sitting right next to me, but apparently it has some issues when installed on XP (these days I hesitate to install anything from Microsoft because installing one MS product seems to install about 95% of its other products automagically). In any case if you meet the driver author halfway and don't approach it like it's his driver that's broken, but rather that your hardware isn't exactly compliant, (regardless of what you really believe) you won't be put into the anal insertion category. If I have to worry about hurting the developer's delicate feelings, maybe a new developer might be a good idea. I hoped to stop having to deal with schoolkids when I got out of school. Good developers feel morally obligated to deliver bug-free code and don't have to be nagged about it. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anthony's drive issues.Re: ssh password delay
Anthony Atkielski wrote: If I have to worry about hurting the developer's delicate feelings, maybe a new developer might be a good idea. I hoped to stop having to deal with schoolkids when I got out of school. Good developers feel morally obligated to deliver bug-free code and don't have to be nagged about it. Tell that to the MS developers then - perhaps they will listen to you. Tell them to stop producing bloated code. Code that allows every 12 year-old on the planet to code a new back door, Trojan, or virus. Tell them - and once they start doing that - maybe the real technical users around the world won't snicker when they here the word, Microsoft. -- Best regards, Chris People will believe anything if you whisper it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anthony's drive issues.Re: ssh password delay
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In any case if you meet the driver author halfway and don't approach it like it's his driver that's broken, but rather that your hardware isn't exactly compliant, (regardless of what you really believe) you won't be put into the anal insertion category. If I have to worry about hurting the developer's delicate feelings, maybe a new developer might be a good idea. I hoped to stop having to deal with schoolkids when I got out of school. Good developers feel morally obligated to deliver bug-free code and don't have to be nagged about it. But the ahc() driver -is- bug free. It's not bug free when it's running on modified hardware, but it's fine when it's running with unmodded hardware. Your complaint sounds somewhat like the guy who bought a 68 Mustang then complained when he had to cut away the shock towers to fit in a 460 and headers, then complained more when the torque from his engine twisted the frame of the car. Your going to be told to stick your head up your ass as long as you keep believing that your hardware and it's firmware has nothing to do with the problem. Tens of thousands (probably more) of other people run FreeBSD servers for years using aic7880 chipsets without seeing what your seeing. Clearly, there is something in your hardware that is different from all these other people and that FreeBSD doesn't work with. Your controller is probably the most common narrow scsi controller in use among people running FreeBSD production servers. Only the Symbiosis narrow scsi chipset probably has a larger following, and a lot of these are only running tapedrives and CD's. (since they were sold with no boot rom) Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cdrom trouble with wine
I have got to a point where I need some help. I have got starcraft tot install, broodwar to install, and update it. I can run programs from cd in with, like setup.exe, but starcraft still can't read a file on the cd. I have mounted the cd in my home dir, created the right wine config file, and even used dd to make an iso that I mounted and it still didn't work. I don't think this game even uses any secure rom because a simple disc copy on to a cdr works fine in windows. Anyone had a problem like this? $ wine starcraft.exe fixme:file:get_default_drive_device auto detection of DOS devices not supported on this platform fixme:ntdll:NtQueryVolumeInformationFile device info not properly supported on this platform err:heap:HEAP_CreateSystemHeap system heap base address 0x8000 not available $ thanks, Jason ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Help!
Use your 3.4 FreeBSD system or a win system to download the mini.iso file for 4.11 and then burn it to cd. Boot your box from the 4.11 mini newly created cd and accept the default slice sizes, select not to install the ports collection. The ports collection is over 3000 strong now and some are variations of same base port. You are being foolish to select all ports as that is unnecessary and a gross waist of disk space. After base install is complete then select the ports you want and install separately. You are way back level and there has been great changes in the system and the sysinstall process. Read and follow this Install guide for step by step instructions for 4.11 release as it's the same as 4.10. http://freebsd.packards-home.net/index.php Yes FreeBSD CAN be installed on the fourth of four SCSI disk drives on the second of two SCSI cards, but if you have other operating systems on those other disks you will have to manual update the MBR (master boot record) multi boot program on the HD the PC bios point to for selecting which operating system you want to boot from. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charlie Sorsby Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Help! Every time I turn round, someone is telling me that I should update to a more recent version of freeBSD. Each time I try, I encounter nothing but trouble. Before I even begin: *CAN* freeBSD be installed on the fourth of four SCSI disk drives on the second of two SCSI cards? I know of no way to record the error messages other than with pencil and paper -- not a very efficient method in this computer age, especially when one is in the throes of frustration. I tried some time ago, updating to 4.5, the latest version for which I have a CDROM. When I encountered problems and queried this list, I received a message to the effect that the installer should quit working after X years. Perhaps that was tongue in cheek but it was singularly unhelpful. So, I continued to use 3.4 which, aside from the fact that I can't add anything new or update any ports or ... has stood me in good stead for years. Finally getting tired of using netscape 4.76 -- I've been unsuccessful at finding any modern browser that I can install under 3.4 -- and having it crashed by modern web sites, I decided to try again. I fetched the floppy images for 4.11 -- I have no interest in 5.x, 4.x is far enough removed from real BSD that I wouldn't go that route it I had a choice. Busy with other things, I finally got round to trying an ftp install today. Before I proceed, I suppose that I'd best tell you what my system comprises: M'board:Intel D845WN CPU:P4, 2.4GHz, 478, 512K, 400MHz FSB Memory: Crucial 512MB, 168-pin, DIMM 64Mx64, PC133 SDRAM Case: Antec Sonata with Antec TruePower supply. SCSI cards (presently, the Adaptec is in the PCI slot closer to the CPU): Adaptec 2940 Tekram DC-390U2W Ethernet; Intel PRO100S Disk drives (The first three are on the 2940, the fourth on the Tekram): IBM DORS-32160 WA0A, 2GB (from original system, with leftover freeBSD 2.1.5 stuff, no longer bootable.) Seagate ST34501N 0015, 4GB (with freeBSD 3.4) Seagate ST39216N 0010, 9GB (/home -- no OS) Seagate ST318517W 0105, 18GB (on which I tried to install 4.5 before and 4.11 today. CDROM drive:Plextor (don't recall specs.) Video card: Matrox Millennium G400, AGP4X, 32MB SGRAM Oh -- FWIW, I'm also running XFree86 4.1.0 although that should not be relevant to the installation problem but, like the feller says, for the sake of completeness... (I'll append -- at the end of this message -- dmesg from latest boot after unsuccessful installation to cover anything that I've forgotten. This system has simply evolved over the years.) I hope I won't forget any parts of this; I had to get back to 3.4 in order to be able to do this e-mail. I got through the fdisk and disklabel (re)configuration of the fourth disk onto which I planned to install freeBSD 4.11 (having selected Standard Install) Here's what I tried to set up as (Unix) partitions (remember this is on the 18GB drive): /128MB # Thought this should be more than enough swap 512MB /usr4196MB /var 512MB /usr/local 4196MB /tmp 512MB /spare # Everything else -- to be disposed of later. I then proceeded to choose the installation package or whatever it's called -- I chose ALL and then replied yes to the query about installing the ports collection. I believe that the next query was the choice of installation medium; I chose (the first) ftp and the first (ftp.freebsd.org?) server in the list and fetching the bits and pieces began. Within a very few
Re: Anthony's drive issues.Re: ssh password delay
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: And to test with just one disk on the controller, specifically the Seagate, but also with just the Quantum, to eliminate a possible bad interaction between the disks and to eliminate possible incompatible firmware in either of the disks to that of the Adaptec controller. Since you haven't done that we still don't know if possibly it would work fine with only one of the disks on the chain. A waste of time without first determining what the messages coming from FreeBSD actually meant. Do you always start swapping hardware in and out whenever you see an unfamiliar message on the console? It would have been an invalid conjecture because while your utility power might be bad, the power your getting from your UPS certainly isn't. I do assume you have this on a UPS, right? Yes ... but what makes you so sure it's not suddenly defective? -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anthony's drive issues.Re: ssh password delay
Chris writes: Tell that to the MS developers then - perhaps they will listen to you. Done. Tell them to stop producing bloated code. I've tried, but that is both a tendency of many developers (especially PC developers) and a marketing imperative. Code that allows every 12 year-old on the planet to code a new back door, Trojan, or virus. Bloat alone doesn't allow that, and Microsoft code isn't any more vulnerable to this than any other code of comparable complexity for PC systems. Tell them - and once they start doing that - maybe the real technical users around the world won't snicker when they here the word, Microsoft. What does any of this have to do with FreeBSD? -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anthony's drive issues.Re: ssh password delay
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: But the ahc() driver -is- bug free. It's not bug free when it's running on modified hardware, but it's fine when it's running with unmodded hardware. It's also free of bugs if it's never called. Your complaint sounds somewhat like the guy who bought a 68 Mustang then complained when he had to cut away the shock towers to fit in a 460 and headers, then complained more when the torque from his engine twisted the frame of the car. I don't know anything about cars. Your going to be told to stick your head up your ass as long as you keep believing that your hardware and it's firmware has nothing to do with the problem. No, I'll be told that as long as I'm dealing with children instead of adults. Tens of thousands (probably more) of other people run FreeBSD servers for years using aic7880 chipsets without seeing what your seeing. Even more run Windows without seeing what I'm seeing. Someone must be running my machine, since it is mentioned on the 5.3 compatibility list. Clearly, there is something in your hardware that is different from all these other people and that FreeBSD doesn't work with. Probably. Sounds like an OS bug to me. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrom trouble with wine
jason henson wrote: I have got to a point where I need some help. I have got starcraft tot install, broodwar to install, and update it. I can run programs from cd in with, like setup.exe, but starcraft still can't read a file on the cd. I have mounted the cd in my home dir, created the right wine config file, and even used dd to make an iso that I mounted and it still didn't work. I don't think this game even uses any secure rom because a simple disc copy on to a cdr works fine in windows. Anyone had a problem like this? $ wine starcraft.exe fixme:file:get_default_drive_device auto detection of DOS devices not supported on this platform fixme:ntdll:NtQueryVolumeInformationFile device info not properly supported on this platform err:heap:HEAP_CreateSystemHeap system heap base address 0x8000 not available $ thanks, Jason BTW staredit works, but is slugish with out nice. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
On Sunday 27 March 2005 22:33, Anthony Atkielski wrote: RW writes: Multiple processors can run multiple processes at the same time. A HT processor can only run two threads from the same process. This is incorrect. HT processors don't care where the threads come from; it is possible to run threads from two completely different processes on the same HT processor. But what would be the point, that's slower than running with HT turned-off. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD 4.6 4.8
I have version 4.6 and 4.8 of FreeBSD and I am having trouble getting pass a certain point. This is the procedure I have followed form The FreeBSD Handbook, 3rd Edition, Volume I: User Guide Edited by Murray Stokely and Chern Lee. I boot for the CD and start form Start kernel configuration in full-screen visual mode. Then Press X Then delete: Advansys SCSI narrow controller Adaptec 154 X SCSI controller Adaptec 152 X SCSI and computable sound card Buslogic SCSI controller Then press Q Save these parameters before exiting YES While loading the sysinstall it freezes up when it reaches sio0: type 8250. The book shows type 16550A The computer I am trying to install FreeBSD on is an AMD 700 MHz marchine with 512 MB of memory. Nothing else on the hard drive. It will be a stand a lone computer once I get FreeBSD installed. Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Best Regards, Joe Joe Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD Installation
I have version 4.6 and 4.8 of FreeBSD and I am having trouble getting pass a certain point. This is the procedure I have followed form The FreeBSD Handbook, 3rd Edition, Volume I: User Guide Edited by Murray Stokely and Chern Lee. I boot for the CD and start form Start kernel configuration in full-screen visual mode. Then Press X Then delete: Advansys SCSI narrow controller Adaptec 154 X SCSI controller Adaptec 152 X SCSI and computable sound card Buslogic SCSI controller Then press Q Save these parameters before exiting YES While loading the sysinstall it freezes up when it reaches sio0: type 8250. The book shows type 16550A The computer I am trying to install FreeBSD on is an AMD 700 Mhz maching with 512 K of memory. Nothing else on the hard drive. It will be a stand a lone computer once I get FreeBSD installed. Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Best Regards, Joe Joe Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dependency problem: atk-1.0.901
Hi everyone, when attempting to install GTK2 or XFCE, I get a stop error stating that the package atk-1.0.901 does not exist. I've checked /usr/ports/accessibility/atk and have found that atk1.6.1 exists, and can be installed without problems, however apparently this is not the right version. I'm running FreeBSD 5.4 and have tried updating via cvs etc, without any luck. It seems strange to me that this dependency problem would exist, as surely a lot of people install GTK2, if not XFCE. Does anyone know of a way to get around this? I'd sort of like to have a gui for my machine :) Bnonn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD Installation
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:33:35 -0800, Joe Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have version 4.6 and 4.8 of FreeBSD and I am having trouble getting pass a certain point. This is the procedure I have followed form The FreeBSD Handbook, 3rd Edition, Volume I: User Guide Edited by Murray Stokely and Chern Lee. I boot for the CD and start form Start kernel configuration in full-screen visual mode. Then Press X Then delete: Advansys SCSI narrow controller Adaptec 154 X SCSI controller Adaptec 152 X SCSI and computable sound card Buslogic SCSI controller Then press Q Save these parameters before exiting YES While loading the sysinstall it freezes up when it reaches sio0: type 8250. The book shows type 16550A sio0 is the serial interface. If you don't need it try to disable it bios to see if it's the reason for this problem. The computer I am trying to install FreeBSD on is an AMD 700 Mhz maching with 512 K of memory. Nothing else on the hard drive. It will be a stand a lone computer once I get FreeBSD installed. Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Best Regards, Joe Joe Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kind regards Abu Khaled ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD Installation
4.11 is the current production stable release which contains massive changes from 4.8 one of which is the kernel configuration in full-screen visual mode is not required any longer. The book you are referencing is outdated. Release 4.6 and 4.8 are no longer supported versions. The 5.3 version is brand new and still experiencing problems and is not as stable and reliable as 4.11. No need to get to close to the bleeding edge by using the 5.3 version. Follow the step by step instructions in the Install guide at this URL http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Parker Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 7:34 PM To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD Installation I have version 4.6 and 4.8 of FreeBSD and I am having trouble getting pass a certain point. This is the procedure I have followed form The FreeBSD Handbook, 3rd Edition, Volume I: User Guide Edited by Murray Stokely and Chern Lee. I boot for the CD and start form Start kernel configuration in full-screen visual mode. Then Press X Then delete: Advansys SCSI narrow controller Adaptec 154 X SCSI controller Adaptec 152 X SCSI and computable sound card Buslogic SCSI controller Then press Q Save these parameters before exiting YES While loading the sysinstall it freezes up when it reaches sio0: type 8250. The book shows type 16550A The computer I am trying to install FreeBSD on is an AMD 700 Mhz maching with 512 K of memory. Nothing else on the hard drive. It will be a stand a lone computer once I get FreeBSD installed. Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Best Regards, Joe Joe Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
RW writes: But what would be the point, that's slower than running with HT turned-off. Not necessarily. It depends on a lot of things. It any case, nobody is forced to run with HT and SMP enabled. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD Installation
it was said: snip While loading the sysinstall it freezes up when it reaches sio0: type 8250. Yow! The book shows type 16550A The computer I am trying to install FreeBSD on is an AMD 700 Mhz maching with 512 K of memory. snip The 8250 UART has been obsolete for _years_ (pre-386 days). Try disabling the serial ports in BIOS. You may want to do the same to the parallel port, too. After you get set up, try enabling them to see what happens. Don't fool with 4.6; it's pretty old. (Not as old as an 8250 chip, but still) After getting the 4.8 system running, you should update to 4.11. Hang on to the book, though, because a lot of the information will still apply. The up-to-date handbook is available online at www.freebsd.org. Some ftp servers have it in pdf format if you dislike reading online. Out of curiosity, what motherboard make and model do you have? HTH, stheg __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Xorg mouse problems
Hi all, I've got a PS/2 Labtech optical mouse with and Xorg 6.8.2 running on FreeBSD 5.4PR with an AMD Athlon and a GeForce 2 MX and I'm having some strange problems with Xorg and moused. This all worked fine under NetBSD (1.6.x and 2.0) with the wsmouse driver, but strangely, now when I use Xorg and/or moused on FreeBSD the mouse skips on verticle or horizontal movement all the way across the screen. I've tried changing the resolution, disabling ACPI, using different protocols and nothing has resolved the problem. Has anyone experienced this before and if so, how have they resolved it? dmesg included: Copyright (c) 1992-2005 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 5.4-PRERELEASE #0: Sun Mar 27 08:12:11 EST 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/ambrosia Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (1343.06-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = AuthenticAMD Id = 0x644 Stepping = 4 Features=0x183f9ffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR AMD Features=0xc044RSVD,AMIE,DSP,3DNow! real memory = 805224448 (767 MB) avail memory = 782417920 (746 MB) npx0: math processor on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface cpu0 on motherboard pcib0: Host to PCI bridge pcibus 0 on motherboard pir0: PCI Interrupt Routing Table: 9 Entries on motherboard $PIR: BIOS IRQ 15 for 0.4.INTC is not valid for link 0x3 pci0: PCI bus on pcib0 $PIR: ROUTE_INTERRUPT failed. agp0: VIA 82C8363 (Apollo KT133x/KM133) host to PCI bridge mem 0xe400-0xe7ff at device 0.0 on pci0 pcib1: PCI-PCI bridge at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: PCI bus on pcib1 pci1: display, VGA at device 0.0 (no driver attached) isab0: PCI-ISA bridge at device 4.0 on pci0 isa0: ISA bus on isab0 atapci0: VIA 82C686B UDMA100 controller port 0xd800-0xd80f,0x376,0x170-0x177,0x3f6,0x1f0-0x1f7 at device 4.1 on pci0 ata0: channel #0 on atapci0 ata1: channel #1 on atapci0 uhci0: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 7 at device 4.2 on pci0 usb0: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xd000-0xd01f irq 7 at device 4.3 on pci0 usb1: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pci0: bridge, PCI-unknown at device 4.4 (no driver attached) pci0: multimedia, audio at device 4.5 (no driver attached) xl0: 3Com 3c905C-TX Fast Etherlink XL port 0xa400-0xa47f mem 0xd580-0xd580007f irq 7 at device 13.0 on pci0 miibus0: MII bus on xl0 xlphy0: 3c905C 10/100 internal PHY on miibus0 xlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto xl0: Ethernet address: 00:04:76:e3:6d:42 atapci1: Promise PDC20265 UDMA100 controller port 0x8800-0x883f,0x9000-0x9003,0x9400-0x9407,0x9800-0x9803,0xa000-0xa007 mem 0xd500-0xd501 irq 10 at device 17.0 on pci0 ata2: channel #0 on atapci1 ata3: channel #1 on atapci1 orm0: ISA Option ROMs at iomem 0xd-0xd07ff,0xcc000-0xce7ff,0xc-0xcb7ff on isa0 pmtimer0 on isa0 atkbdc0: Keyboard controller (i8042) at port 0x64,0x60 on isa0 atkbd0: AT Keyboard irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 psm0: PS/2 Mouse irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model IntelliMouse, device ID 3 sc0: System console at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA 16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A vga0: Generic ISA VGA at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa-0xb on isa0 unknown: PNP0501 can't assign resources (port) unknown: PNP0501 can't assign resources (port) unknown: PNPb002 can't assign resources (irq) unknown: PNP0f13 can't assign resources (irq) unknown: PNP0303 can't assign resources (port) Timecounter TSC frequency 1343055484 Hz quality 800 Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec acd0: CDROM CRD-8320B/1.24 at ata0-master PIO4 ad4: 76319MB WDC WD800JB-00CRA1/17.07W17 [155061/16/63] at ata2-master UDMA100 Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad4s1a -- Best wishes, Alexander G. Chamandy Webmaster www.bsdfreak.org Your Source For BSD News! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: Had to revert from 5.3 to 4.11
Ted Mittelstaedt said... Bruce, Please do us a favor, these kinds of reports basically go into the bit bucket when posted to the freebsd-questions mailing list. If you would be so kind, please run send-pr on your 4.11 systems and send what your seeing in as a bug. Granted, since it's not specific nobody is going to be able to send you a patch or some such - but there is still value in these reports being in there as if others report the same trouble a coorelation can be drawn. Also please list the model number of your SuperMicro motherboards. Thanks! Ted Supermicro motherboard X5DPR-8G2+ It has been running 4.11 solidly for almost 2 months now. Some more info on the system is here (about a problem experienced on the same system): http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/75855 Kris Kennaway said... Probably this: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ERRATA/notices/FreeBSD-EN-05:03.ipi.asc Kris I applied that towards the end of January. Pretty sure anyway, memory is fading. We were running: FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p5 #3 when we abandoned ship. If memory serves, I rebuilt the kernel only (not the world), when I applied those patches. I have left the department that owns the server now, but I've asked them to followup to this mailling list when they continue with the diagnosis. -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Bruce Campbell Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 6:01 PM To: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org Subject: Had to revert from 5.3 to 4.11 Upgraded a large e-mail server from 4.7 to 5.3 late December/2004 The 5.3 system never stayed up for more than 3 days (kernel panics - often while running vacation). A fair bit of fiddling trying to keep it running for about a month, then gave up. Kept the kernel tree updated, no difference. Reverted to 4.11 about 3 weeks ago, no problems since. Also upgraded a web server to 5.3 during that time, and had to retreat also, same reasons. We do have a heavily loaded 5.2.1 system running well. Main difference between the crashy and reliable system is nfs home dirs on the mail and web servers. nfs server is 4.7 Same hardware in all cases, dual xeon supermicro. At a later time we will invest further diagnostic effort. Sorry for the lack of specifics. -- Bruce Campbell Manager, Science Computing C2-260 University of Waterloo (519)888-4567 ext 6991 This mail sent through www.mywaterloo.ca ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anthony's drive issues.Re: ssh password delay
No, I'll be told that as long as I'm dealing with children instead of adults. this is around the fith time recently you have either insinuated or outright claimed that the participants of this mailing list are all immature children. And yet you return time and time again asking for help. What does this say about you? You have now also started taking your attitute into many other threads, making it very difficult to sift through the techunicaly relevent and helpful threads thanks to your inability to control your tantrums. You are spoiling this list for the people who would like to work together to solve their problems. Yes, you can be kill mailed, but that will not remove your replies. It looks like the only solution is to filter out any mail containing your name anywhere in the text (even this is not fool proof due to unquoted citations), and this will mean that many useful or genuine mails will be filtered also due to having your name in it. Yes everyone on this list are immature children, and yes no-one will listen to any objective critisism of their mightly religious icon FreeBSD. Any problem anyone gives is obviously the fault of other people because FreeBSD is perfect. Now that you have agreement, please be on your way to find the adult company you seek. Martin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Portupgrade (vs. Portmanager) question
Updating a computer, pkg_info reported I only had two packages, cvsup-without-gui-16.1h and perl-5.8.5, both of which were out of date as reported by pkg_version. I tried to install portmanager, but it was not able to get the needed files from http://portmanager.sunsite.dk. So, I installed portupgrade. Those files came in fine. I then did portupgrade -a -N -vu -rR, which was successful for me several months ago on another computer. The computer ran for over nearly two hours, with messages scrolling by so fast it was nearly impossible to read, filling up the screen with text. I used script so as to capture the screen messages; the capture file of the screen is 1.2MB in size! Now, pkg_info says I have 10 packages installed; added were ezm3, gettext, gmake, libiconv, libtool, portupgrade,ruby and ruby18. If these all required to make portupgrade or perl work, where is that reference? Help! What did I do? Jay O'Brien Rio Linda, California, USA PS.. I tried to install portmanager again, and this time it got the files immediately and installed fine. It took about a minute, not two hours. It reports that all my ports are up to date. Whew. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
