xorg.conf

2005-11-11 Thread Uncle Deejy-Pooh
   Even quicker method (as compared to refreshing a locate database)  for
 searching for a .conf file...

 find /usr/local/etc /etc -name BLAH.conf

I just searched for BLAH.conf and didn't find a thing.  ;-)

I've just found THREE !!! 

Deej
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RE: HP DL380 hangs on boot

2005-11-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


-Original Message-
From: Miguel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:17 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: FreeBSD Questions
Subject: Re: HP DL380 hangs on boot


Im sure the media is ok, i have just finished a quick test installation
on a devel desktop using the same cd, the instalation finished
flawlesly,
enable/disable ACPI doesnt help either.
Another corner to look around?


Try a different model and brand of CDROM drive.

Ted

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RE: Status of 6.0 for production systems

2005-11-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


-Original Message-
From: Michael Vince [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Ted Mittelstaedt'; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Status of 6.0 for production systems


Gayn Winters wrote:

There are some things broken in 5.4 that are still broken in 6.0
with regards to support of older hardware.  In particular the ida
driver is a mess - EISA support in that was busted years ago,
then 5.X busted support for more 'modern' systems like the
Compaq 1600R   HP  DL series of systems are kind of a moving
target anyway, unfortunately.  For those sytems I still use 4.11
(in fact I just setup 2 new 4.11 production systems two days ago)

However, 6.0 is a requirement for currently shipping hardware, in
particular the Intel series of boxed server motherboards, if you
want to use raid and sata drives, since Intel seems to like to change
it's motherboard chipsets as fast as most people change their
underpants.
I'm actually building a 6.0 production server today.  (5.4 and earlier
will not recognize the disk array)

It would be nice if we could get more support for SATA raid in
the atacontrol program.

Ted



On the plus side, I've thrown a lot of hardware at FreeBSD with great
success. On the other hand, FreeBSD's primary weakness seems to be the
support of newer hardware. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised
to hear of
problems with older hardware as well, and Ted's solution of pairing
older hardware with an older release seems reasonable if in
fact one has
the experience to support the older release.

I prefer the idea of the FreeBSD team aiming at only the latest
hardware, all I use is brand new server equipment.
I don't like the idea that FreeBSD features and performance development
could be hampered by the core guys trying to make stuff work on old
hardware,

This really isn't the issue.  Drivers and their development are a
different
issue than internal kernel changes and such.  The problem with breaking
old hardware, illustrated by the ida0 driver example, is that the
manufacturer
(ie: Compaq) comes out with a newer intelligent controller and the
documentation
on that says it's backwards compatible so the older drivers will still
work with
it.  Then we come to find out that this isn't true - so the driver author
modifies
the driver to work with the newer controller revision and is pretty sure
that
his mods won't hose up older controller support, but doesen't have an
opportunity
to test with it (either doesen't have the hardware or some other reason)

 in fact if it was a fact that a lot more performance and
features could be in 6.x if they dropped support for everything below
1ghz for x86 I would be happy, I got a few older machines but
they could
go onto NetBSD since its a very similar OS as it has the same rc script
system which FreeBSD imported from NetBSD to start with.

Admittedly if Microsoft were trying to make Windows XP run well
on a 486
it wouldn't be nearly as a likable OS it is today.


That's not true either.  If Microsoft were trying to make it work on a
486 it
would run a lot better on bigger hardware because they would have to
prune
all the fat off it.

Haven't you ever noticed with Windows that the user interface speed is
still the same today, with brand new hardware, as it was 10 years ago
on older versions of Windows?

Try running Windows 98 one day on brand new hardware - it is almost a
religious experience.  Open a window and Bang - it's there, completely
drawn in, so fast you can't even see it draw.  THAT is how it's supposed
to be.  The problem is the stupid consumers don't understand that every
year that they buy newer and faster hardware it just helps Microsoft to
make their stuff slower.  So they never get ahead.

AMD64/EMT64 appears to be the mainstream high performance future and
should get the most support, although some technologists are
saying that
Itanium is going to make a come back believe it or not, check out the
latest anandtech article for example
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2598

If theres some guy who uses a 386sx 25mhz to run his water gardening
sprinkler system he should let go of demanding 6.x work on his system
and just use what he needs such as 4.x

6.x will not boot on a 386, the math coprocessor emulator is not in
the generic kernel anymore.

And if he needs say the latest perl 6 to control his sprinkler system
and its not available in 4.x any more then he should just use NetBSD,
NetBSD is for all types of hardware and is a fine OS.


That is not a FreeBSD issue, that is an issue with the Perl development
team and what -they- choose to support.  You frankly sound like you have
never compiled anything from scratch.  The entire point of scripts like
'configure' is to setup options so an application will compile on any OS
version.  In any case why possibly would you strip out support for
compiling
on an older BSD version from an application like Perl?  Unless the

Better laptop support in 6.0?

2005-11-11 Thread Paul Waring
A while back I spent a lot of time trying to get FreeBSD 5.3 working on
my Toshiba Satellite Pro M10 laptop with no success. I was wondering if
version 6 adds anything that would be more likely to make it possible to
install FreeBSD on my laptop? I currently use it on a server system with
no problems and it would be nice to have it on another system as well.
I've found the hardware support for desktop machines to be good, but
when it comes to laptops it seems to be a pain to get even the CDs to
boot sometimes - though NetBSD and various Linux distributions work. 

Paul

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Re: Better laptop support in 6.0?

2005-11-11 Thread Peter Clutton
On 11/11/05, Paul Waring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A while back I spent a lot of time trying to get FreeBSD 5.3 working on
 my Toshiba Satellite Pro M10 laptop with no success. I was wondering if
 version 6 adds anything that would be more likely to make it possible to
 install FreeBSD on my laptop? I currently use it on a server system with
 no problems and it would be nice to have it on another system as well.
 I've found the hardware support for desktop machines to be good, but
 when it comes to laptops it seems to be a pain to get even the CDs to
 boot sometimes - though NetBSD and various Linux distributions work.

I can't comment on your previous problems, as I've got FreeBSD 5.4
running on a state of the art Sony vaio laptop, I use it for
everything. Not sure what could be causing the CDs not to work,
without error messages, but by that description it may not have been
OS related.

However FreeBSD 6 being the latest release, it does offer better
hardware support for the latest devices, with obviously more and more
drivers added with each release. One of the focuses was on Wireless
support aswell, if you had any trouble with that.

All in all, giving FreebSD 6 a go on the laptop would probably be a
very good idea, and your chances would definitely be improved, but
there's no guarantee. If you have any problems with it, this is the
list to post them to. Good Luck!
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Re: Dealing with ipcheck output

2005-11-11 Thread Gerard Seibert
On Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:29:40 PM, Joe Kraft [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Dealing with ipcheck output
Wrote these words of wisdom:

 I'm running ipcheck as a cron job, it runs fine and seems to keep my 
 address updated with dyndns.com but I'm trying to figure out how to deal 
 with the e-mails I get from cron.
 
 I would prefer to not get the ones that don't show anything abnormal, 
 but keep the ones that show something else like a change in IP, or a 
 failure.
 
 I don't know python at all, so I don't understand where the return comes 
 from, but it outputs a '0' on the first line and a set of empty brackets 
 '[]' on the second line.
 
 Joe


* REPLY SEPARATOR *
On 10/11/2005 5:29:42 PM, Gerard Replied:

I have 'ddclient-3.6.6' installed. It is available in the ports. This is
probably what you want. If you need assistance configuring it. please
contact me.

HTH

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Corrupt Packages

2005-11-11 Thread sean
I am upgrading my applications using portupgrade and many of the builds 
are reporting that 'the package info for package 'insert package name 
here' is corrupt'.


Any suggestions on how to correct these problems?

Thanks
Sean
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Re: Better laptop support in 6.0?

2005-11-11 Thread Paul Waring
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 02:51:15AM -0800, Peter Clutton wrote:
 I can't comment on your previous problems, as I've got FreeBSD 5.4
 running on a state of the art Sony vaio laptop, I use it for
 everything. Not sure what could be causing the CDs not to work,
 without error messages, but by that description it may not have been
 OS related.

As far as I remember, the CDs wouldn't even boot into the install
process at one point. They worked fine on another machine, and other
installation CDs for things like NetBSD worked, so I think it probably
was OS related. Perhaps FreeBSD is just missing support for my laptop's
hardware, but I'm surprised that other things worked.

 One of the focuses was on Wireless
 support aswell, if you had any trouble with that.

Wireless support would be useful, but I'm generally plugged into a wired
ethernet network so it's not of huge importance.

Paul

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Re: freebsd on PPC platform

2005-11-11 Thread Peter Clutton
On 11/10/05, AZ POČÍTAČE - vše kolem počítačů a internetu - Marek
Klobáska [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello, I have a question:

 Can I run freebsd on these machines ? http://www.genesippc.com/products.php

I would say so, as they appear just to be power pc based systems. You
can find information on this (including links to downloadable ISOs)
here: http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ppc.html
Good luck.
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Re: Corrupt Packages

2005-11-11 Thread Peter Clutton
On 11/11/05, sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am upgrading my applications using portupgrade and many of the builds
 are reporting that 'the package info for package 'insert package name
 here' is corrupt'.

 Any suggestions on how to correct these problems?

I'm not sure, the only thing I can suggest is, did you run:

pkgdb -F

before running portupgrade as mentioned in the
docos:http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html

If not, have a look at the docs and give it a go.
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Re: KDE Konqueror:Can i have konqueror without KDEstuff port

2005-11-11 Thread Michael Nottebrock
On Wednesday, 9. November 2005 21:39, Jack L. wrote:

  I have the same setup, except I only want konsole and konqueror for file
 browsing and a terminal. I wonder if kde will ever split up those
 applications into different pieces.

Most probably never - KDE tries to make a desktop environment, not a browser 
and a terminal emulator. If there's a trend, then it's rather towards tighter 
integration instead.

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mergemaster and RELENG6

2005-11-11 Thread J. W. Ballantine

I'm trying to install RELEASE6 on a BSD machine, and the
install fails in the mergemaster stage with:

mtree -deU  -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BIND.chroot.dist  -p 
/var/tmp/temproot/var/named
./dev missing (created)
./etc missing (created)
./etc/namedb missing (created)
./etc/namedb/dynamic missing (created)
./etc/namedb/master missing (created)
./etc/namedb/slave missing (created)
./var missing (created)
./var/dump missing (created)
./var/log missing (created)
./var/run missing (created)
./var/run/named missing (created)
./var/stats missing (created)
cd /var/tmp/temproot/; rm -f /var/tmp/temproot/sys; ln -s usr/src/sys sys
cd /var/tmp/temproot/usr/share/man/en.ISO8859-1; ln -sf ../man* .
cd /var/tmp/temproot/usr/share/man;  set - `grep ^[a-zA-Z] 
/usr/src/etc/man.alias`;  while [ $# -gt 0 ] ;  do  rm -rf $1;  ln -s $2 
$1;  shift; shift;  done
cd /var/tmp/temproot/usr/share/openssl/man;  set - `grep ^[a-zA-Z] 
/usr/src/etc/man.alias`;  while [ $# -gt 0 ] ;  do  rm -rf $1;  ln -s $2 
$1;  shift; shift;  done
cd /var/tmp/temproot/usr/share/openssl/man/en.ISO8859-1; ln -sf ../man* .
cd /var/tmp/temproot/usr/share/nls;  set - `grep ^[a-zA-Z] 
/usr/src/etc/nls.alias`;  while [ $# -gt 0 ] ;  do  rm -rf $1;  ln -s $2 
$1;  shift; shift;  done
/var/tmp/temproot/usr/obj/usr/src/etc created for /usr/src/etc
cd /usr/src/etc;  install -o root -g wheel -m 644  amd.map apmd.conf auth.conf 
 crontab csh.cshrc csh.login csh.logout devd.conf devfs.conf  dhclient.conf 
disktab fbtab ftpusers gettytab group  hosts hosts.allow hosts.equiv hosts.lpd 
 inetd.conf login.access login.conf  mac.conf motd netconfig network.subr 
networks newsyslog.conf  portsnap.conf pf.conf pf.os phones profile protocols  
rc rc.bsdextended rc.firewall rc.firewall6 rc.initdiskless  rc.sendmail 
rc.shutdown  rc.subr remote rpc services shells  snmpd.config sysctl.conf 
syslog.conf usbd.conf  etc.i386/ttys  /usr/src/etc/../gnu/usr.bin/man/manpath/m
anpath.config  /usr/src/etc/
../usr.bin/mail/misc/mail.rc  /usr/src/etc/../usr.bin/locate/locate/locate.rc 
printcap /var/tmp/temproot/etc;  cap_mkdb -l /var/tmp/temproot/etc/login.conf; 
 install -o root -g wheel -m 755  netstart pccard_ether rc.suspend rc.resume 
/var/tmp/temproot/etc;
  install -o root -g wheel -m 600  master.passwd nsmb.conf opieaccess 
/var/tmp/temproot/etc;  pwd_mkdb -L -p -d /var/tmp/temproot/etc  
/var/tmp/temproot/etc/master.passwd
cap_mkdb: illegal option -- l
usage: cap_mkdb [-v] [-f outfile] file [file ...]
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/etc.

  *** FATAL ERROR: Cannot 'cd' to /usr/src/etc and install files to
  the temproot environment

The steps I took were:

  copied /etc/rc.d to /etc/old_rc.d
  removed /usr/src/* /usr/obj/*
  cvsup'ed RELENG6
  changed to /usr/src
  did a make buildworld
  did a make buildkernel
  did a make installkernel
  did a mergemaster -i

Anyone have any thoughts on what is causing mergemaster to fail?

Thanks
Jim Ballantine


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schedulers and compatibility options in 6.0-r

2005-11-11 Thread Dave

Hello,
   I've got a 6.0-RELEASE machine and am going to compile a new kernel on 
it.
I've got a few questions as to the best options. This is a single-processor 
machine, going to run only 6.0. Which of the schedulers should i use 
SCHED_4BSD or SCHED_ULE and do i need the PREEMPTION option? And the 
COMPAT_* options, 43, i know i need that, do i need the 4 or 5 options? And 
what purpose does device apic serve, do i need this? And is quota now used 
by default or do i have to compile it in?
   When booting this machine with GENERIC i'm getting some bootup messages 
i find slightly disturbing:


ahc0: (GIANT-LOCKED)
and a little later:
no suitable dump device was found
this is on a geom gmirrored system updated from 5.4-RELEASE-p6 to 
6.0-RELEASE.

   Thanks.
Dave.

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Re: adding a second hard drive

2005-11-11 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Dave Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 To solve a problem I'm having with /var running out of space, I decided
 to add a second hard drive.
 
 I found info at freebsd.org on adding disks using sysinstall and
 followed the advice.  The old disk is a Maxtor 6Y080L0 80G as ad0 and
 the new disk is a Maxtor 6Y120P0 as ad3.  I ran sysinstall, chose ad3
 and parition it with: / 512M, /swap 2G, /tmp 3G, /var 4G, /usr
 30G, /data 76G.  Did an installation with Kern source and documentation.
 Added a new user, and set a password for root.  I added the FreeBSD boot
 manager.
 
 I rebooted to ad0 (didn't have the FreeBSD boot manager on this drive
 yet), and found I could no longer login as the regular user and that my
 root password was the one I had just set up on ad3.  I adduser my old
 login and assigned it the original ID and got back the settings in my
 home directory, although I don't know what I've doen to the
 configuration files in /etc.
 
 I tried to put the FreeBSD boot manager on ad0 with:
 boot0cfg -B ad0 but get an erro:
 boot0cfg: open /de/ad0: no such file or directory
 
 I've googled this problem but have found little help except that it
 shouldn't happen and it should be reported.
 
 I'm running FreeBSD 5.4 stable.  I'm temped to start over from scratch
 but would hate to lose everythin on ad0 without first transferring it to
 ad3.  I've tried to mount ad3 and ad3c (the only references to ad3
 in /dev) using:
 mount /dev/ad3 /mnt/bigdrive but get an error:
 mount: /dev/ad3 on /mnt/bigdrive: incorrect super block
 
 So I'm pretty lost.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I've spent
 4-5 hrs googling for solutions but nothing seems to work.

It sure *sounds* like you accidentally did your install to the old
disk instead of the new one.  If that is the case, then your old data
are indeed lost -- overwritten with the new install.

Also, it sounds like you were following the advice for moving your
whole system to the new disk, whereas the advice for *adding* the new
disk to the old one would have been more appropriate.  That's the
disk formatting tutorial article in the documentation collection.
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Re: Upgrading to 6.0 - Would this backup strategy work?

2005-11-11 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Richard Collyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'm thinking of upgrading my 5.4 box to 6.0 mainly becuase I've never done
 a buildworld I've always installed a fresh. The box is not production
 quality just something for me to learn BSD on.
 
 I have a 7006-2 3ware raid controller miroring on 2 drives. If I was to
 remove one of the drives and then do the upgrade if the upgrade was
 successful I could put the other drive in a build the array again.
 
 If it failedi could use the old drive to rebuild a working system quickly.
 
 Anyone see any issues with this?

I think it should work.  It seems to have a bunch of ways to
accidentally shoot yourself in the foot, though.
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Re: usb flashdrive not working on 6.0

2005-11-11 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi,
 
 After my old flashdrive broke down, I bought a new one and updated my
 machine to 6.0-STABLE (amd64).
 
 The new flashdrive is not recognized when I plug it in. There is no
 reaction whatsoever from the usb subsystem. This is the flash drive in
 question:
 http://www.supermediastore.com/pqi-cool-drive-256mb-usb-20-usb-flash-drive.html
 
 
 I have uhci, usb, umass, scbus, pass and da built into the kernel;
 
 uhci0: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xc400-0xc41f irq 21 at device 16.0 
 on p
 ci0
 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
 usb0: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci0
 usb0: USB revision 1.0
 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
 uhci1: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xc800-0xc81f irq 21 at device 16.1 
 on p
 ci0
 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED]
 usb1: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci1
 usb1: USB revision 1.0
 uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
 uhci2: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xd000-0xd01f irq 21 at device 16.2 
 on p
 ci0
 uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED]
 usb2: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci2
 usb2: USB revision 1.0
 uhub2: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
 uhci3: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 21 at device 16.3 
 on p
 ci0
 uhci3: [GIANT-LOCKED]
 usb3: VIA 83C572 USB controller on uhci3
 usb3: USB revision 1.0
 uhub3: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
 uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
 
 I do get a funny message about a device without a driver:
 
 pci0: serial bus, USB at device 16.4 (no driver attached)
 
 But I suspect that is the USB 2.0 device, which isn't recognized because
 I don't have ehci in my kernel.
 
 When I plug in a SDDR-31 CompactFlash card reader, everything works:
 
 umass0: SanDisk Corporation ImageMate CompactFlash USB, rev 1.10/0.09, addr 2
 umass0: Get Max Lun not supported (STALLED)
 da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
 da0: SanDisk ImageMate II 1.30 Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
 da0: 1.000MB/s transfers
 da0: 61MB (125441 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 61C)
 (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 1 ea 0 0 0 1 0 
 (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error
 (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition
 (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): MEDIUM ERROR asc:0,0
 (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): No additional sense information
 (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): Retrying Command (per Sense Data)
 
 The messages notwithstanding, I can mount the CF card just fine. So I
 think the usb subsystem works fine. My precious flash drive (apacer)
 also worked without problems. 
 
 Can anybody shed some light on this?

Not offhand, but why don't you just try adding ehci to your kernel and
see what happens?
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Re: mergemaster and RELENG6

2005-11-11 Thread Warren Block

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, J. W. Ballantine wrote:


I'm trying to install RELEASE6 on a BSD machine, and the
install fails in the mergemaster stage with:



...


cap_mkdb: illegal option -- l
usage: cap_mkdb [-v] [-f outfile] file [file ...]
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/etc.

 *** FATAL ERROR: Cannot 'cd' to /usr/src/etc and install files to
 the temproot environment

The steps I took were:

 copied /etc/rc.d to /etc/old_rc.d
 removed /usr/src/* /usr/obj/*
 cvsup'ed RELENG6
 changed to /usr/src
 did a make buildworld
 did a make buildkernel
 did a make installkernel
 did a mergemaster -i

Anyone have any thoughts on what is causing mergemaster to fail?


Probably because you skipped the 'make installworld' step and are still 
running an old copy of mergemaster.


-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
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Re: Antivir for mail server

2005-11-11 Thread Ugo Bellavance

Fatman wrote:

I'm doubting about to install CLAM or DR.WEB antivir in the mail server.

What do you advise to me?


Using MailScanner, you can run both.  And since clam is free, I think 
you should run it if you have the resources.




thnkx.
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getting apache2 to process xml files?

2005-11-11 Thread bob self


I'm running FreeBSD 5.4 and apache2.

How can I get apache2 to process xml files? Right now it just treats them
as regular files and uploads them to the browser. I'm not sure how the
AddType line should be or what module I need to install and load.

thanks,
bob
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issues with installworld on fbsd6 libcom_err

2005-11-11 Thread Eric Ekong
I had no errors when building world, but it seems each time I have
tried to installworld I come up with the same error.  It shows up in
the lib/libcom_err directory.  No matter what shell I try fixes the
issue.  I have gone as far as to delete all the directories in /usr/src
and re cvsup.  I have no options in /etc/make.conf outside of the
ones put there by perl and KERNCONF=KERNELNAME.  Like I said it builds 
with no problem, but error code 1 outs each time during make
installworld.

=== lib/libcom_err (install)
install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444   libcom_err.a /usr/lib
install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444   libcom_err_p.a /usr/lib
install -s -o root -g wheel -m 444 libcom_err.so.3 /usr/lib
ln -fs libcom_err.so.3 /usr/lib/libcom_err.so
install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444
/usr/src/lib/libcom_err/../../contrib/com_err/com_err.h
/usr/src/lib/libcom_err/../../contrib/com_err/com_right.h /usr/include
install -o root -g wheel -m 444 com_err.3.gz  /usr/share/man/man3
=== lib/libcom_err/doc (install)
install-info --quiet  --defsection=Programming  development tools.
--defentry=* libcom_err: (com_err).A Common Error Description
Library for UNIX.  com_err.info /usr/share/info/dir
install-info: /usr/share/info/dir: empty file
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/lib/libcom_err/doc.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/lib/libcom_err.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/lib.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.

Any suggestions on how to fix this so I can get fbsd 6 world installed
so I can run portmanger to update a crap load of ports would be
appreciated.

Eric
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Re: mergemaster and RELENG6

2005-11-11 Thread J. W. Ballantine

Thanks, my understanding was mergemaster before installworld. 
But that appears to be wrong.

--  In Response to your message -

  Date:  Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:05:37 -0700 (MST)
  To:  J. W. Ballantine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  From:  Warren Block [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject:  Re: mergemaster and RELENG6

  On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, J. W. Ballantine wrote:
  
   I'm trying to install RELEASE6 on a BSD machine, and the
   install fails in the mergemaster stage with:
  
  
  ...
  
   cap_mkdb: illegal option -- l
   usage: cap_mkdb [-v] [-f outfile] file [file ...]
   *** Error code 1
  
   Stop in /usr/src/etc.
  
*** FATAL ERROR: Cannot 'cd' to /usr/src/etc and install files to
the temproot environment
  
   The steps I took were:
  
copied /etc/rc.d to /etc/old_rc.d
removed /usr/src/* /usr/obj/*
cvsup'ed RELENG6
changed to /usr/src
did a make buildworld
did a make buildkernel
did a make installkernel
did a mergemaster -i
  
   Anyone have any thoughts on what is causing mergemaster to fail?
  
  Probably because you skipped the 'make installworld' step and are still 
  running an old copy of mergemaster.
  
  -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
  


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Re: New boot-up message

2005-11-11 Thread FreeBsdBeni
On Thursday 10 November 2005 00:10, Peter Clutton wrote:
 On 11/10/05, Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Updating KDM configuration
  Information: reading old kdmrc /usr/local/share/config/kdm/kdmrc (from
  kde
 
  = 2.2.x)
 
  Information: old kdmrc is from kde = 3.1 (config version 2.3)
  how should I go about correcting it?

 I could be wrong but i think running :
 pkgdb -F

 might help, as it seems to be a version thing. But as it's a file and
 not a port that seems to be the problem, this might not be what you
 need.

Same problem here :
dmesg output
Updating KDM configuration
Information: reading old kdmrc /usr/local/share/config/kdm/kdmrc (from kde = 
2.2.x)
Information: old kdmrc is from kde = 3.1 (config version 2.3)
Warning: cannot read file /usr/local/share/config/kdm/Xwilling
Warning: cannot read file /usr/local/share/config/kdm/Xsetup
Warning: cannot read file /usr/local/share/config/kdm/Xstartup
Warning: cannot read file /usr/local/share/config/kdm/Xreset
...

It appeared after the combined upgrade from 5.4 tot 6.0 and the upgrade from 
kde 3.4.2 to 3.4.3.
About those Warnings : unreadable files because they simply don't exist in 
that directory (or anywhere else).
But kde seems to be running fine without them here.

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Re: Carp and Apache

2005-11-11 Thread DAve

Danny Howard wrote:

Dave,

Yes.


Yes both apache servers have the same IP in httpd.conf? or Yes I am 
completely off base in my understanding?


Not certain I can go this route right now anyway as I do not have enough 
test boxes to setup a trial. There seems to be a shortage of good docs 
on using CARP outside of using it with PF.


Thanks,

DAve



The trick with CARP is that it is an IP-level heartbeat, so if you are
running Apache, you want to carp up after you start apache, and carp
down before you stop Apache.


From some test boxes, web0:

ifconfig_fxp1=inet 192.168.1.210 netmask 255.255.255.0
defaultrouter=192.168.1.1
cloned_interfaces=carp0 carp1

Then, web0 application config file:
export CARP_PASS=mekmitasdigoat
# MASTER
export CARP_carp0_IP=192.168.1.206
export CARP_carp0_VHID=1
# SLAVE
export CARP_carp1_IP=192.168.1.207
export CARP_carp1_VHID=2
export CARP_carp1_SKEW=100

Next, the Application control script:
# CARP
carp_ifs=`ifconfig -l | tr ' ' '\n' | grep carp`

# Set up CARP
for carp_if in $carp_ifs; do
eval   carp_ip=\$CARP_${carp_if}_IP
eval carp_vhid=\$CARP_${carp_if}_VHID
eval carp_skew=\$CARP_${carp_if}_SKEW

if [ -n $carp_vhid ]; then
carp_vhid=vhid $carp_vhid
fi
if [ -n $carp_skew ]; then
carp_skew=advskew $carp_skew
fi

if [ -n ${carp_ip} -a -n ${carp_vhid} ]; then
ifconfig $carp_if pass $CARP_PASS $carp_vhid $carp_skew 
$carp_ip
ifconfig $carp_if down
else
echo WARNING: $carp_if but missing CARP_${carp_if}_IP or 
CARP_${carp_if}_VHID!
fi
done

[... later ...]
if [ $status -eq 0 ]; then
  echo Apache successfully ${cmd}ed
  echo Ready to CARP UP!
  if [ -n ${carp_ifs} ]; then
for carp_if in $carp_ifs; do
eval   carp_ip=\$CARP_${carp_if}_IP
eval carp_vhid=\$CARP_${carp_if}_VHID
if [ -n ${carp_ip} -a -n ${carp_vhid} ]; then
ifconfig $carp_if up
fi
done
sysctl net.inet.carp.preempt=1
  fi
else
  echo Apache failed to $cmd
  exit 2
fi


Okay, so that's really quite a mess, but basically:
* Set cloned_interfaces in rc.conf to create carpn at boot.
* One IP alias and VHID per CARP IP.
* Set up the backup server with higher advskew.
* For availability, teach you apachectl script to ifconfig the carp
  interfaces, ifconfig down, start apache, ifconfig up, and ifconfig
  down before stopping / restarting apache.

Cheers,
-danny



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Re: getting apache2 to process xml files?

2005-11-11 Thread Greg Barniskis

bob self wrote:


I'm running FreeBSD 5.4 and apache2.

How can I get apache2 to process xml files? Right now it just treats them
as regular files and uploads them to the browser. I'm not sure how the
AddType line should be or what module I need to install and load.


You should be asking this in an Apache support forum, since it's not 
specific to FreeBSD (very little about Apache is, beyond installing 
the port and making it start at boot time). Be that as it may...


Use Cocoon?   http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/overview.html

I could be wrong (never done such a thing) but I don't think what 
you want is nearly as easy as turn on Apache feature XYZ. You have 
to tell Apache use external program XYZ to preprocess XML data and 
then you have to configure/program XYZ to do something useful like 
turn your XML into XHTML for the browser (e.g. you probably have to 
write or at least tune some XSL directives specific to your DTD, in 
addition to telling Apache to send XML to your XSL preprocessor).


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Re: FreeBSD 6 DVD

2005-11-11 Thread Gilbert Fernandes
 I would like to know when you will release the official FreeBSD 6
 DVD so I can purchase it from FreeBSDMall.

You can order it right now, no need to wait.
They'll send it to you as soon as ready.

I ordered my FreeBSD 6 set last week and waiting for it :)

They ship it as soon as ready. So why wait ?

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Effect of BATCH=yes in /etc/make.conf file

2005-11-11 Thread Gerard Seibert
This is probably a stupid question, but I have never let a silly thing
like that stop me before.

I have FreeBSD 5.4 installed. In my /etc/make.conf file I have this
line:

BATCH=yes

I have it there so I am not bothered with requests for OPTIONS when
building ports. I have known that it suppresses the requests, but not
exactly how it handles those requests.

Does it just use the defaults settings, or does it choose all of the
options available, or perhaps disable all of the available options?

Thanks!


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A: Because it reverses the natural flow of a dialog.
Q: Why is top posting undesirable when replying?

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Re: issues with installworld on fbsd6 libcom_err

2005-11-11 Thread Ruslan Ermilov
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 09:17:10AM -0500, Eric Ekong wrote:
 I had no errors when building world, but it seems each time I have
 tried to installworld I come up with the same error.  It shows up in
 the lib/libcom_err directory.  No matter what shell I try fixes the
 issue.  I have gone as far as to delete all the directories in /usr/src
 and re cvsup.  I have no options in /etc/make.conf outside of the
 ones put there by perl and KERNCONF=KERNELNAME.  Like I said it builds 
 with no problem, but error code 1 outs each time during make
 installworld.
 
You're probably using -jX with installworld.  If so, a fix for this
has been in HEAD as of a few days:

: ru  2005-11-03 08:56:39 UTC
: 
:   FreeBSD src repository
: 
:   Modified files:
: .Makefile.inc1 
: share/mk bsd.info.mk 
:   Log:
:   Serialize access to the info/dir file; needed for parallel installs.
:   
:   Reported by:scottl
:   
:   I'm not very fond of using the non-standard lockf(1) here, but I
:   have no better idea at the moment.  NetBSD uses ln(1) to create a
:   lock file, but this approach can result in a deadlock if make is
:   interrupted, leaving an orphaned lock file.
:   
:   Revision  ChangesPath
:   1.514 +1 -1  src/Makefile.inc1
:   1.72  +1 -0  src/share/mk/bsd.info.mk

I'm not happy with this because it broke NFS installs.  Once I find
a proper fix, I will also make sure to MFC it to RELENG_6.

 === lib/libcom_err (install)
 install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444   libcom_err.a /usr/lib
 install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444   libcom_err_p.a /usr/lib
 install -s -o root -g wheel -m 444 libcom_err.so.3 /usr/lib
 ln -fs libcom_err.so.3 /usr/lib/libcom_err.so
 install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444
 /usr/src/lib/libcom_err/../../contrib/com_err/com_err.h
 /usr/src/lib/libcom_err/../../contrib/com_err/com_right.h /usr/include
 install -o root -g wheel -m 444 com_err.3.gz  /usr/share/man/man3
 === lib/libcom_err/doc (install)
 install-info --quiet  --defsection=Programming  development tools.
 --defentry=* libcom_err: (com_err).A Common Error Description
 Library for UNIX.  com_err.info /usr/share/info/dir
 install-info: /usr/share/info/dir: empty file
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/src/lib/libcom_err/doc.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/src/lib/libcom_err.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/src/lib.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/src.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/src.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/src.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/src.
 
 Any suggestions on how to fix this so I can get fbsd 6 world installed
 so I can run portmanger to update a crap load of ports would be
 appreciated.

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Re: Effect of BATCH=yes in /etc/make.conf file

2005-11-11 Thread Michael C. Shultz
On Friday 11 November 2005 07:10, Gerard Seibert wrote:
 This is probably a stupid question, but I have never let a silly thing
 like that stop me before.

 I have FreeBSD 5.4 installed. In my /etc/make.conf file I have this
 line:

 BATCH=yes

 I have it there so I am not bothered with requests for OPTIONS when
 building ports. I have known that it suppresses the requests, but not
 exactly how it handles those requests.

 Does it just use the defaults settings, or does it choose all of the
 options available, or perhaps disable all of the available options?

 Thanks!


I have removed BATCH=yes from my /etc/make.conf because
I decided the ability to see default settings for each port in
/var/db/ports/{port dir name}/options is nice.  With BATCH=yes
you are assuming a port's configuration file is setting proper
defaults for you, if you let a port blue screen when it is first installed 
then at least once you get to see what is available and change them
if you wish.

My position has changed on the usefullness of make config after
thinking it over, it is good to stick a port's options in one place and know
that no matter how you upgrade, manually or with an upgrade tool
the port will get built with consistent options set. 

-Mike


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question regarding portupgrade for php on 5.3

2005-11-11 Thread Steve
Forgive me if this is either a n00b or dumb question...this is the first 
time I'm trying things this way.


I'm using 5.3 on i386 architechture.  I have installed the portupgrade 
package with the intention of upgrading php4 on my box from 4.3.10 to 4.4.


I installed portupgrade then I made a backup of /var/db/pkg (following the 
Lehey FreeBSD book) and tried:


portupgrade -v php4

Expecting it would just go and upgrade to the current php4.4.1 package, 
instead I get the message:


no need to upgrade php4-4.3.10_2 (= php4-4.3.10_2). specify -f to force.

So what should I do?


Steve Bopple
www.digitalbluesky.net 



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Re: usb flashdrive not working on 6.0

2005-11-11 Thread Roland Smith
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 08:42:10AM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
 Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Hi,
  
  After my old flashdrive broke down, I bought a new one and updated my
  machine to 6.0-STABLE (amd64).
  
  The new flashdrive is not recognized when I plug it in. There is no
  reaction whatsoever from the usb subsystem. This is the flash drive in
  question:
  http://www.supermediastore.com/pqi-cool-drive-256mb-usb-20-usb-flash-drive.html

snip

  Can anybody shed some light on this?
 
 Not offhand, but why don't you just try adding ehci to your kernel and
 see what happens?

I didn't because the manpage says it's buggy, but I'll try.

Roland
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Re: mergemaster and RELENG6

2005-11-11 Thread Lowell Gilbert
J. W. Ballantine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Thanks, my understanding was mergemaster before installworld. 
 But that appears to be wrong.

Close, but not quite.
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html#AEN27814
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Re: question regarding portupgrade for php on 5.3

2005-11-11 Thread Roland Smith
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 11:33:05AM -0500, Steve wrote:
 Forgive me if this is either a n00b or dumb question...this is the first 
 time I'm trying things this way.
 
 I'm using 5.3 on i386 architechture.  I have installed the portupgrade 
 package with the intention of upgrading php4 on my box from 4.3.10 to 4.4.
 
 I installed portupgrade then I made a backup of /var/db/pkg (following the 
 Lehey FreeBSD book) and tried:
 
 portupgrade -v php4
 
 Expecting it would just go and upgrade to the current php4.4.1 package, 
 instead I get the message:
 
 no need to upgrade php4-4.3.10_2 (= php4-4.3.10_2). specify -f to force.
 
 So what should I do?

You should bring your ports tree up to date with cvsup (see the
handbook) and try again.

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Re: Wireless Card Suggestion from freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 112, Issue 63

2005-11-11 Thread Joe Altman
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 12:00:49PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Today's Topics:
 
4. Wireless Card Suggestion (Tim Holmes)
5. Re: Wireless Card Suggestion (Peter Clutton)

 --
 
 Message: 4
 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:07:12 -0500
 From: Tim Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Wireless Card Suggestion
 
snip 

 I have a friend who's using a Linksys card, but he's uses a Linksys router.
 The one he uses is 54Mbps, and I've seen a number of 108Mbps and 125Mbps.
 Since I'm using this for a gateway, should I go for a card with higher Mbps?
 Or do you really think that will make a difference?

 --
 
 Message: 5
 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:21:29 +1100
 From: Peter Clutton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Wireless Card Suggestion
 
 I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that the speed is
 somewhat reliant on the protocol. For instance, the older 802.11a/b 
 are like 11Mbps, whereas the newer 802.11g runs at 54Mbps.

I read a rant somewhere or another about the Atheros cards; and the
ranter was saying something about the chips using 2 channels...does
anyone on this list know if that alleged use of 2 channels is real,
and if so, is the reason 108 Mbps is on the box?

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Upgrading PHP port to 4.4.1 breaks Drupal site

2005-11-11 Thread Ron Wilhoite
After a portupgrade of PHP to 4.4.1 my Drupal 4.6.3 site stopped 
working. I used portdowngrade to revert to 4.4.0 and the site worked again.


I tried upgrading this morning to 4.4.1_1 and drupal-4.6.3_1, but got 
the same result. Using portdowngrade to revert to PHP 4.4.0 worked again.


I posted to the drupal support list and PHP 4.4.1 does not seem to be 
causing problems for other Drupal users. The 'missing' files in the 
error logs below exist and have correct permissions. I also couldn't 
find anything relevant at php.net or with google searches.


I will appreciate any suggestions.

Ron Wilhoite


Message posted to Drupal list:

After upgrading PHP to 4.4.1, my site's homepage loads, but all other 
pages are blank and I can't login. I restarted apache and mysql, but got 
the same result. It's Drupal 4.6.3, Apache 2.0.55, Mysql 4.1.15, running 
on FreeBSD 5.4.


I've copied the errors from the apache log below. If there is other 
information I can provide let me know.


I downgraded my PHP ports to 4.4.0 and the site came back up.

Thanks for any help or pointers.

Apache error log:

[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning: 
main(sites/default/settings.php): failed to open stream: No such file or 
directory in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 642, 
referer: http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning: 
main(): Failed opening 'sites/default/settings.php' for inclusion 
(include_path='.:') in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on 
line 642, referer: http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning: 
main(includes/database.inc): failed to open stream: No such file or 
directory in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 643, 
referer: http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning: 
main(): Failed opening 'includes/database.inc' for inclusion 
(include_path='.:') in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on 
line 643, referer: http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning: 
main(includes/session.inc): failed to open stream: No such file or 
directory in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on lin

e 644, referer: http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning: 
main(): Failed opening 'includes/session.inc' for inclusion 
(include_path='.:') in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on

line 644, referer: http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning: 
main(includes/module.inc): failed to open stream: No such file or 
directory in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on line

 645, referer: http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning: 
main(): Failed opening 'includes/module.inc' for inclusion 
(include_path='.:') in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on l

ine 645, referer: http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Fatal 
error:  Call to undefined function:  db_fetch_object() in 
/usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 199, referer: 
http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:46 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Fatal 
error:  Cannot redeclare conf_init() (previously declared in 
/usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc:45) in /usr/local/www/data/in

cludes/bootstrap.inc on line 44, referer: http://office.bals.org/
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gvinum/geom_vinum in 6.0?

2005-11-11 Thread David Kelly
Upgrade to RELENG_6 went pretty smoothly from RELENG_5 but for my
striped gvinum volume.

Mergemaster wanted to remove /etc/rc.d/vinum, so I copied it and allowed
the original to be removed. On reboot /dev/gvinum/vinum0 does not exist.

In 5.x gvinum start created /dev/gvinum/vimum0. Manually starting
gvinum fails to do anything to /dev/.

Observed /bin/vinum was left over from previous FreeBSD and complained
about lacking a vinum kernel module so I have removed it.

I have geom_vinum loaded:

# kldstat
Id Refs AddressSize Name
 1   17 0xc040 429f00   kernel
 21 0xc082a000 57c8 snd_ich.ko
 32 0xc083 1d408sound.ko
 41 0xc084e000 10840if_ath.ko
 52 0xc085f000 26b60ath_hal.ko
 62 0xc0886000 2c7c ath_rate.ko
 71 0xc0889000 59170acpi.ko
 81 0xc38d1000 f000 geom_vinum.ko
 91 0xc3a8e000 2000 green_saver.ko
101 0xc3a9c000 15000linux.ko
# gvinum list
0 drives:

1 volume:
V vinum0State: up   Plexes:   0 Size:  0 B

1 plex:
P vinum0.p0   S State: up   Subdisks: 0 Size:  0 B

2 subdisks:
S vinum0.p0.s0  State: up   D: vinumdrive0  Size:152 GB
S vinum0.p0.s1  State: up   D: vinumdrive1  Size:152 GB
#

The above gvinum list looks correct to my ignorant eye altho shouldn't
it say something about /dev/ad[46]* where the stripes are located? It
must know something about them as AFAIK the data is stored no where
else.

So, how do I go about getting a [g]vinum device in /dev? And how does
one automate this on boot nowadays?

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Re: Upgrading PHP port to 4.4.1 breaks Drupal site

2005-11-11 Thread Michael C. Shultz
On Friday 11 November 2005 08:30, Ron Wilhoite wrote:
 After a portupgrade of PHP to 4.4.1 my Drupal 4.6.3 site stopped
 working. I used portdowngrade to revert to 4.4.0 and the site worked again.

After upgrading PHP to 4.4.1 you should rebuild ports that depend on it.

-Mike



 I tried upgrading this morning to 4.4.1_1 and drupal-4.6.3_1, but got
 the same result. Using portdowngrade to revert to PHP 4.4.0 worked again.

 I posted to the drupal support list and PHP 4.4.1 does not seem to be
 causing problems for other Drupal users. The 'missing' files in the
 error logs below exist and have correct permissions. I also couldn't
 find anything relevant at php.net or with google searches.

 I will appreciate any suggestions.

 Ron Wilhoite


 Message posted to Drupal list:

 After upgrading PHP to 4.4.1, my site's homepage loads, but all other
 pages are blank and I can't login. I restarted apache and mysql, but got
 the same result. It's Drupal 4.6.3, Apache 2.0.55, Mysql 4.1.15, running
 on FreeBSD 5.4.

 I've copied the errors from the apache log below. If there is other
 information I can provide let me know.

 I downgraded my PHP ports to 4.4.0 and the site came back up.

 Thanks for any help or pointers.

 Apache error log:

 [Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning:
 main(sites/default/settings.php): failed to open stream: No such file or
 directory in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 642,
 referer: http://office.bals.org/
 [Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning:
 main(): Failed opening 'sites/default/settings.php' for inclusion
 (include_path='.:') in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on
 line 642, referer: http://office.bals.org/
 [Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning:
 main(includes/database.inc): failed to open stream: No such file or
 directory in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 643,
 referer: http://office.bals.org/
 [Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning:
 main(): Failed opening 'includes/database.inc' for inclusion
 (include_path='.:') in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on
 line 643, referer: http://office.bals.org/
 [Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning:
 main(includes/session.inc): failed to open stream: No such file or
 directory in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on lin
 e 644, referer: http://office.bals.org/
 [Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning:
 main(): Failed opening 'includes/session.inc' for inclusion
 (include_path='.:') in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on
 line 644, referer: http://office.bals.org/
 [Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning:
 main(includes/module.inc): failed to open stream: No such file or
 directory in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on line
   645, referer: http://office.bals.org/
 [Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning:
 main(): Failed opening 'includes/module.inc' for inclusion
 (include_path='.:') in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on l
 ine 645, referer: http://office.bals.org/
 [Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Fatal
 error:  Call to undefined function:  db_fetch_object() in
 /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 199, referer:
 http://office.bals.org/
 [Wed Nov 02 00:15:46 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Fatal
 error:  Cannot redeclare conf_init() (previously declared in
 /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc:45) in /usr/local/www/data/in
 cludes/bootstrap.inc on line 44, referer: http://office.bals.org/
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Re: Upgrading to pgsql 8.1 via ports

2005-11-11 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Pat Maddox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 So PostgreSQL 8.1 was released a few days ago, and I was looking
 forward to upgrading to it.  Figured it might take a day or two before
 the changes were made in ports, and was surprised to see that my
 postgresql packages are still up to date.  The packages I have
 installed are postgresql-server and postgresql-client...which
 according to freshports.org don't exist!  Right now I'm running 8.0,
 but I guess I have some outdated packages that may have been deleted? 
 I don't know, to be honest.

I suspect if you check /usr/ports/MOVED, you would find that they were
moved into databases/postgresql81-*.

 So I've got a few questions.  First, should I not be using
 postgresql-server and postgresql-client?  They don't seem to be in
 /usr/ports/databases anymore, and I definitely installed them from
 ports.  Should I use postgresql81-server now instead?  What do I need
 to do in order to upgrade my system to use pgsql 8.1?

If you use portupgrade, there's a nice -o option to do this.  
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How to get best results from FreeBSD-questions

2005-11-11 Thread Greg Lehey

How to get the best results from FreeBSD questions.
===

Last update $Date: 2005/08/10 02:21:44 $

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I:Introduction
II:   How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions
III:  Should I ask -questions or -hackers?
IV:   How to submit a question to FreeBSD-questions
V:How to answer a question to FreeBSD-questions

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   Note that the term hacker has nothing to do with breaking
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In the past, there has been some friction which stems from the
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In this document, I'd like to do something to relieve this frustration
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The Complete FreeBSD: errata and addenda

2005-11-11 Thread Greg Lehey
The trouble with books is that you can't update them the way you can a web page
or any other online documentation.  The result is that most leading edge
computer books are out of date almost before they are printed.  Unfortunately,
The Complete FreeBSD, published by O'Reilly, is no exception.  Inevitably, a
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The Complete FreeBSD has been through a total of five editions, including its
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Re: Upgrading PHP port to 4.4.1 breaks Drupal site

2005-11-11 Thread Ron Wilhoite

Michael C. Shultz wrote:

On Friday 11 November 2005 08:30, Ron Wilhoite wrote:

After a portupgrade of PHP to 4.4.1 my Drupal 4.6.3 site stopped
working. I used portdowngrade to revert to 4.4.0 and the site worked again.


After upgrading PHP to 4.4.1 you should rebuild ports that depend on it.

-Mike



Thanks Mike. Is portupgrade -r php4 the best way to do that? Or should 
I force the other ports to rebuild with portupgrade -rf php4?


Ron
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Re: Upgrading PHP port to 4.4.1 breaks Drupal site

2005-11-11 Thread Richard Morse
This is a known bug with PHP4-4.4.1 and Apache2+mod_rewrite.  Please 
see http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=35096.


Ricky

On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Ron Wilhoite wrote:

After a portupgrade of PHP to 4.4.1 my Drupal 4.6.3 site stopped 
working. I used portdowngrade to revert to 4.4.0 and the site worked 
again.


I tried upgrading this morning to 4.4.1_1 and drupal-4.6.3_1, but got 
the same result. Using portdowngrade to revert to PHP 4.4.0 worked 
again.


I posted to the drupal support list and PHP 4.4.1 does not seem to be 
causing problems for other Drupal users. The 'missing' files in the 
error logs below exist and have correct permissions. I also couldn't 
find anything relevant at php.net or with google searches.


I will appreciate any suggestions.

Ron Wilhoite


Message posted to Drupal list:

After upgrading PHP to 4.4.1, my site's homepage loads, but all other 
pages are blank and I can't login. I restarted apache and mysql, but 
got the same result. It's Drupal 4.6.3, Apache 2.0.55, Mysql 4.1.15, 
running on FreeBSD 5.4.


I've copied the errors from the apache log below. If there is other 
information I can provide let me know.


I downgraded my PHP ports to 4.4.0 and the site came back up.

Thanks for any help or pointers.

Apache error log:

[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning: 
main(sites/default/settings.php): failed to open stream: No such file 
or directory in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 
642, referer: http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning: 
main(): Failed opening 'sites/default/settings.php' for inclusion 
(include_path='.:') in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on 
line 642, referer: http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning: 
main(includes/database.inc): failed to open stream: No such file or 
directory in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 643, 
referer: http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning: 
main(): Failed opening 'includes/database.inc' for inclusion 
(include_path='.:') in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on 
line 643, referer: http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning: 
main(includes/session.inc): failed to open stream: No such file or 
directory in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on lin

e 644, referer: http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning: 
main(): Failed opening 'includes/session.inc' for inclusion 
(include_path='.:') in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on

line 644, referer: http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning: 
main(includes/module.inc): failed to open stream: No such file or 
directory in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on line

 645, referer: http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Warning: 
main(): Failed opening 'includes/module.inc' for inclusion 
(include_path='.:') in /usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on l

ine 645, referer: http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:42 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Fatal 
error:  Call to undefined function:  db_fetch_object() in 
/usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 199, referer: 
http://office.bals.org/
[Wed Nov 02 00:15:46 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.35] PHP Fatal 
error:  Cannot redeclare conf_init() (previously declared in 
/usr/local/www/data/includes/bootstrap.inc:45) in 
/usr/local/www/data/in

cludes/bootstrap.inc on line 44, referer: http://office.bals.org/
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route how to?

2005-11-11 Thread Perttu Laine
Hello!

I'd like to add route to my computer so one ip would be forwarded to
/dev/null. So all other connections would work normally, but connection to
for example 192.168.10.1 http://192.168.10.1 would not work. How can this
be done? And I propably need same for IPv6 too. I'd like to this with route
instead of firewall 'cause this is temporary and kernel of that computer
don't have pf enabled at the moment.

Oh. And if I add this route, how can delete it later?

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Re: route how to?

2005-11-11 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Perttu Laine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'd like to add route to my computer so one ip would be forwarded to
 /dev/null. So all other connections would work normally, but connection to
 for example 192.168.10.1 http://192.168.10.1 would not work. How can this
 be done? And I propably need same for IPv6 too. I'd like to this with route
 instead of firewall 'cause this is temporary and kernel of that computer
 don't have pf enabled at the moment.
 
 Oh. And if I add this route, how can delete it later?

I usually do this kind of thing with a firewall, but the routing table
is a good way too.  

man route will explain everything you need to do.
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Re: route how to?

2005-11-11 Thread Charles Swiger

On Nov 11, 2005, at 12:15 PM, Perttu Laine wrote:

I'd like to add route to my computer so one ip would be forwarded to
/dev/null. So all other connections would work normally, but  
connection to
for example 192.168.10.1 http://192.168.10.1 would not work. How  
can this
be done? And I propably need same for IPv6 too. I'd like to this  
with route
instead of firewall 'cause this is temporary and kernel of that  
computer

don't have pf enabled at the moment.


It's better to use a firewall than routing to block traffic, but you  
want to use one of these flags:


 -rejectRTF_REJECT - emit an ICMP unreachable when matched
 -blackhole RTF_BLACKHOLE  - silently discard pkts (during updates)

Something like:

route add 192.168.10.1 localhost -reject


Oh. And if I add this route, how can delete it later?


route delete 192.168.10.1

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Re: route how to?

2005-11-11 Thread Perttu Laine
On 11 Nov 2005 12:29:00 -0500, Lowell Gilbert 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Perttu Laine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I'd like to add route to my computer so one ip would be forwarded to
  /dev/null. So all other connections would work normally, but
 connection to
  for example 192.168.10.1 http://192.168.10.1 http://192.168.10.1
 would not work. How can this
  be done? And I propably need same for IPv6 too. I'd like to this with
 route
  instead of firewall 'cause this is temporary and kernel of that computer
  don't have pf enabled at the moment.
 
  Oh. And if I add this route, how can delete it later?

 I usually do this kind of thing with a firewall, but the routing table
 is a good way too.

 man route will explain everything you need to do.


I asked because I'm not very familiar with route and don't want to broke
everything. :)
But is this ok: route add 192.168.10.1 http://192.168.10.1
127.0.0.1http://127.0.0.1
or does it matter what I put as gateway?

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RELENG_6 cvsup returns 6.0-RC1

2005-11-11 Thread Doug Poland

Hello,

I just ran a cvsup with a tag of RELENG_6 and rebuilt world/kernel.
After installing kernel/world and subsequent reboot, I expected to see a
kernel labeled:

FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE

but am instead seeing:

FreeBSD 6.0-RC1

I double-checked my supfile and my tag is indeed RELENG_6.  In fact,
I've done this twice (cvsup8.us.freebsd.org) to make sure I'm not doing
something wrong.  I always delete /usr/obj before running make
buildkernel.

The question then is, why does specifying a RELENG_6 cvs tag yield a
kernel labeled -RC1 and not -STABLE?

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Upgrading application(s)

2005-11-11 Thread Sasa Stupar

Hi!

I am quite new to freebsd. I have several applications build from the ports 
collection. When some port change for a new version (I cvsup my ports 
collection) how do I do upgrade of that application? Is it the same as for 
the first time: just go to the port I want and then type make and make 
install or is there another way?


Regards,
Sasa
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Re: Upgrading application(s)

2005-11-11 Thread Charles Swiger

On Nov 11, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Sasa Stupar wrote:
I am quite new to freebsd. I have several applications build from  
the ports collection. When some port change for a new version (I  
cvsup my ports collection) how do I do upgrade of that application?  
Is it the same as for the first time: just go to the port I want  
and then type make and make install or is there another way?


Yes, there are other ways.

The two main choices for rebuilding new ports are sysutils/ 
portupgrade and sysutils/portmanager.  portupgrade is considered the  
default or standard tool, and it works quite well for most things,  
but has problems with KDE and GNOME in particular.


portmanager uses a rather different approach to handling  
dependencies, which can require more compiler work, but it seems to  
handles updating KDE and GNOME better than portupgrade does.


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Understanding a patch file [OT?]

2005-11-11 Thread Steve Bertrand
Hi everyone...

This may be off-topic, but I know someone may be able to help. I am
trying to better understand how to use diff, and moreso, understand it's
output.

In particular, I can't quite grasp exactly what the identifiers in
between @@ and @@ represent exactly. Here is a patch file I created. The
first change looks like it will replace lines 1 through 5, but then I
look at the second change, and it completely confuses me (-11,6 +11,8).
Can someone please clarify why 11 and 8?

--- randbak.pl  Wed Oct 12 17:27:10 2005
+++ randbak2.pl Fri Nov 11 13:06:51 2005
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
 #!/usr/bin/perl
-
+#
 use warnings;
 use strict;
 use Storable;
@@ -11,6 +11,8 @@
 my $num;
 my $sum = sum;
 my $total = 0;
+
+# Test

 if (-e randomcount){
$href = retrieve (randomcount);


Thank you for any advice!

Steve

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Logo

2005-11-11 Thread Patrick Smith
I made you this new logo for your free bsd operating system, its kinda like
the old one what do you think?
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Re: Upgrading application(s)

2005-11-11 Thread Micah

Sasa Stupar wrote:

Hi!

I am quite new to freebsd. I have several applications build from the 
ports collection. When some port change for a new version (I cvsup my 
ports collection) how do I do upgrade of that application? Is it the 
same as for the first time: just go to the port I want and then type 
make and make install or is there another way?


Regards,
Sasa


As was already pointed out portmanager and portupgrade are the automated 
way of doing it, and both are quite good.  To do it the manual way you 
need to go to the port you want to install and do a make deinstall 
before the make install otherwise it'll complain about the port already 
being installed.


HTH,
Micah
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(no subject)

2005-11-11 Thread warren schreiner


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What have you done

2005-11-11 Thread warren schreiner
well I've been using friends for over 15 years started with the first 
release.  Over the yeas I have loved what you people did with the os and 
how stable.  I have also relied on the use of xwindows to get some tasks 
performed in a quick and easy.


I currently run 4.6 and loved the kde and xwindows (XFree86).  However, 
I now have version 4.7, 4.11, 5.4, and now 6.0 and what the sam hill 
have you guys done with the easy install of xwindows.


xorgconfg does not show all the cards, went to install gftp used the 
ports but the machine ask to go to internet to get additional files.  
What gives,  you took an easy thing and mucked it up. kde3.3 and 3.4 
does not act as well as 3.0 and i cant get the resolution up over 800x600.


I tried to install xfree86 as suggested in the documentation but it does 
the make install but it does not install all the files.


come on do you want me to go to red hat.

you need to clean up the release so that novice users can install and 
you the most powerful and stable os's that exist.


thanks

warren schreiner
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Re: What have you done

2005-11-11 Thread Dev Tugnait
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 14:05 -0500, warren schreiner wrote:
 well I've been using friends for over 15 years started with the first 
 release.  Over the yeas I have loved what you people did with the os and 
 how stable.  I have also relied on the use of xwindows to get some tasks 
 performed in a quick and easy.
 
 I currently run 4.6 and loved the kde and xwindows (XFree86).  However, 
 I now have version 4.7, 4.11, 5.4, and now 6.0 and what the sam hill 
 have you guys done with the easy install of xwindows.

How is the X install hard just select it with a space-bar click?

 xorgconfg does not show all the cards, went to install gftp used the 
 ports but the machine ask to go to internet to get additional files.  
 What gives,  you took an easy thing and mucked it up. kde3.3 and 3.4 
 does not act as well as 3.0 and i cant get the resolution up over 800x600.

Again that has to do with xorg the X software not freeBSD. It contains
generic card names not every Video Card out there cause thats not
possible, you select your make and type to determine model you can hand
edit the exact name of your card.

 I tried to install xfree86 as suggested in the documentation but it does 
 the make install but it does not install all the files.

FreeBSd has switched to xorg by default, if you insist on xfree86 do
more homework

 come on do you want me to go to red hat.
 

Feel free to leave

 you need to clean up the release so that novice users can install and 
 you the most powerful and stable os's that exist.
 
 thanks
 
 warren schreiner

You have a lot of reading and catching up to do even though you have
been using it for 15 years apparently...
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Re: What have you done

2005-11-11 Thread Greg Maruszeczka

 come on do you want me to go to red hat.

Can't speak for anyone else here but...

yes.
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Re: adding a second hard drive

2005-11-11 Thread Dave Webster
Thank you for the reply.  Your recommendation has worked and I now have
an additional hard drive on my system.  I was able to straighten out the
original drive  from some backups.  Every challenge in FreeBSD is such
an incredible learning experience.  Thanks once again.

Dave
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 08:27 -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
 Dave Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  To solve a problem I'm having with /var running out of space, I decided
  to add a second hard drive.
  
  I found info at freebsd.org on adding disks using sysinstall and
  followed the advice.  The old disk is a Maxtor 6Y080L0 80G as ad0 and
  the new disk is a Maxtor 6Y120P0 as ad3.  I ran sysinstall, chose ad3
  and parition it with: / 512M, /swap 2G, /tmp 3G, /var 4G, /usr
  30G, /data 76G.  Did an installation with Kern source and documentation.
  Added a new user, and set a password for root.  I added the FreeBSD boot
  manager.
  
  I rebooted to ad0 (didn't have the FreeBSD boot manager on this drive
  yet), and found I could no longer login as the regular user and that my
  root password was the one I had just set up on ad3.  I adduser my old
  login and assigned it the original ID and got back the settings in my
  home directory, although I don't know what I've doen to the
  configuration files in /etc.
  
  I tried to put the FreeBSD boot manager on ad0 with:
  boot0cfg -B ad0 but get an erro:
  boot0cfg: open /de/ad0: no such file or directory
  
  I've googled this problem but have found little help except that it
  shouldn't happen and it should be reported.
  
  I'm running FreeBSD 5.4 stable.  I'm temped to start over from scratch
  but would hate to lose everythin on ad0 without first transferring it to
  ad3.  I've tried to mount ad3 and ad3c (the only references to ad3
  in /dev) using:
  mount /dev/ad3 /mnt/bigdrive but get an error:
  mount: /dev/ad3 on /mnt/bigdrive: incorrect super block
  
  So I'm pretty lost.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I've spent
  4-5 hrs googling for solutions but nothing seems to work.
 
 It sure *sounds* like you accidentally did your install to the old
 disk instead of the new one.  If that is the case, then your old data
 are indeed lost -- overwritten with the new install.
 
 Also, it sounds like you were following the advice for moving your
 whole system to the new disk, whereas the advice for *adding* the new
 disk to the old one would have been more appropriate.  That's the
 disk formatting tutorial article in the documentation collection.

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Re: What have you done

2005-11-11 Thread Chris

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, warren schreiner wrote:

well I've been using friends for over 15 years started with the first 
release.  Over the yeas I have loved what you people did with the os and how 
stable.  I have also relied on the use of xwindows to get some tasks 
performed in a quick and easy.


I currently run 4.6 and loved the kde and xwindows (XFree86).  However, I now 
have version 4.7, 4.11, 5.4, and now 6.0 and what the sam hill have you guys 
done with the easy install of xwindows.


xorgconfg does not show all the cards, went to install gftp used the ports 
but the machine ask to go to internet to get additional files.  What gives, 
you took an easy thing and mucked it up. kde3.3 and 3.4 does not act as well 
as 3.0 and i cant get the resolution up over 800x600.


I tried to install xfree86 as suggested in the documentation but it does the 
make install but it does not install all the files.


come on do you want me to go to red hat.

you need to clean up the release so that novice users can install and you the 
most powerful and stable os's that exist.


thanks

warren schreiner


To put it bluntly sam hill - yer an idiot that refuses to read 
documentation that users worked very hard on. Not to mention reading the 
FAQ and the Handbook.



Best regards,
Chris

The race is not always to the swift nor the battle to the
strong, but that's the way to bet.
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Booting up

2005-11-11 Thread Alexander Drummond
Booteasy boots up, but all I see is the F1 Dos, F2 FreeBSD, Default
F1.  I strike F2 multiple times, but FreeBSD does not boot up, and
windows proceeds to boot.  I still need XP Pro to be default, but I
need FreeBSD to boot up properly.
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2610SA sata raid array ... backported yet ? driver update package ?

2005-11-11 Thread user

I would like to use an adaptec 2610SA SATA raid controller with FreeBSD
5.4.

My research:

http://lists.ooz.net/freebsd-hackers/?mid=19018

shows that aac_pci.c has this in it for 6.0, and there were some plans to
backport it to 5.4 with a driver update ?

Does anyone know the status of this ?  I have looked in the 5.4 release
notes, and did not see anything - where else can I look for this ?

Thanks.

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Re: usb flashdrive not working on 6.0

2005-11-11 Thread Roland Smith
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 08:42:10AM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
 Not offhand, but why don't you just try adding ehci to your kernel and
 see what happens?

 I didn't because the manpage says it's buggy, but I'll try.

Adding ehci to the kernel seems to have fixed the problem. A da device
is created as soon as i plug in the flashdrive. I can mount the drive
without problems. Looks like this device is USB 2.0 only, even though
the packaging says it should also work with USB 1.1.

Thanks!

Roland
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Re: portmanager -slid deletes the wrong port!

2005-11-11 Thread Danny MacMillan
Michael C. Shultz wrote:
 On Wednesday 09 November 2005 22:53, Danny MacMillan wrote:

I'm running portmanager to do some port maintenance on one of my
servers.  I'm trying to delete devel/cvs2svn.  Each time I try to delete
it, it deletes devel/python instead.  This is exceedingly disconcerting.
 
 Just underwent major revision, bound to be a few glitches, sorry about that.
 The upgrade portion is pretty solid but looks like you might have found a bug 
 in -slid, if so I'll post a fix tomorrow. If your not at version 0.3.3_2 then 
 cvsup again and let me know for sure if that version has this problem.

Hi, Mike.

The version of portmanager I was using when I experienced the problem
was definitely 0.3.3_2; I verified the version when I saw it was
misbehaving.  And although this is somewhat belated, here's the uname -a
output on the affected system:

FreeBSD hobbit.emerald-associates.com 6.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE
#0: Wed Nov  9 04:09:55 MST 2005
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/HOBBIT  i386

After portmanager failed to work properly with cvs2svn, I did not
attempt to use it to delete any other ports, so cvs2svn is the only case
I know wasn't working.  I used pkg_delete to delete cvs2svn instead, so
I can not verify the operation of the updated portmanager by using it to
delete that port.  However, I just upgraded to the latest version of
portmanager (0.3.4) and tested it against a different package and it
worked properly.  Unless you receive other problem reports, I'd call the
issue resolved.

Thanks for the speedy response.

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Re: route how to?

2005-11-11 Thread David van Geyn
 On 11 Nov 2005 12:29:00 -0500, Lowell Gilbert
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Perttu Laine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I usually do this kind of thing with a firewall, but the routing table
 is a good way too.

 man route will explain everything you need to do.


 I asked because I'm not very familiar with route and don't want to broke
 everything. :)
 But is this ok: route add 192.168.10.1 http://192.168.10.1
 127.0.0.1http://127.0.0.1
 or does it matter what I put as gateway?


Try this:

route add 192.168.10.1/32 localhost -reject

You don't want to put those http://whatever things in there.

regards, David

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Re: Understanding a patch file [OT?]

2005-11-11 Thread Leonidas Tsampros
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 01:16:15PM -0500, Steve Bertrand wrote:
 Hi everyone...
 
 This may be off-topic, but I know someone may be able to help. I am
 trying to better understand how to use diff, and moreso, understand it's
 output.
 
 In particular, I can't quite grasp exactly what the identifiers in
 between @@ and @@ represent exactly. Here is a patch file I created. The
 first change looks like it will replace lines 1 through 5, but then I
 look at the second change, and it completely confuses me (-11,6 +11,8).
 Can someone please clarify why 11 and 8?
 

I think this kind of diff output is called unified. It displays
hunks of differences while each hunk shows one aera where the file
differs. 

 --- randbak.pl  Wed Oct 12 17:27:10 2005
 +++ randbak2.pl Fri Nov 11 13:06:51 2005

According to info diff, the file displayed here is the file
modification time.

 @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
  #!/usr/bin/perl
 -
 +#
  use warnings;
  use strict;
  use Storable;

This is the first hunk of changes between the files. The number -1,5
is the line range in the first file while +1,5 is the file range on
the second file . But 1,5 doesn't mean all lines between line 1 and
line 5. It means in line 1 ,  + 5 lines afterward. (consider 5 as the
length of the compared regions)

In this hunk you can see clearly that you removed a whiteline and you
add a comment line, so the total numbers of line in both files are
exactly the same. Thus you've got -1,5 +1,5. The length of the
compared region in boths files did not change.

If the second number is different, like in the following hunk, then
the data displayed are lines 11-16 on the first file (-11,6) and
because you added two lines (the ones starting with +) the file range
of the compared region in the second file is 11-18 (+11,8)


I hope this helps and i'm terribly sorry for my english. Alternatively
you can check `info diff' for more information on diff different kinds
of output.

 @@ -11,6 +11,8 @@
  my $num;
  my $sum = sum;
  my $total = 0;
 +
 +# Test
 
  if (-e randomcount){
 $href = retrieve (randomcount);
 
 
 Thank you for any advice!
 Steve
 
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portmanager -slid core dumps

2005-11-11 Thread Danny MacMillan
Hi,

I am experiencing further difficulties with portmanager -slid.  I was
successfully able to delete several leaf ports.  However, when I try to
delete devel/p5-Locale-gettext or devel/gmake, portmanager core dumps
with the following message:

...
n Nuking gmake-3.80_2

MGdbGoTop error: invalid object type, has this object been initialised
with MGdbCreate or MGdbOpen yet?
MGdbSeek error: invalid object type
Assertion failed: (0), function MGdbSeek, file MGdbSeek.c, line 36.
zsh: abort (core dumped)  sudo portmanager -slid

Are there any practices I should be following in order to ensure
consistency of my ports tree?  In particular, are there any deleterious
consequences of using make deinstall to remove a port that has been
updated since it was installed?

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Re: Understanding a patch file [OT?]

2005-11-11 Thread Leonidas Tsampros
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:53:38PM +0200, Leonidas Tsampros wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 01:16:15PM -0500, Steve Bertrand wrote:
  Hi everyone...
  
  This may be off-topic, but I know someone may be able to help. I am
  trying to better understand how to use diff, and moreso, understand it's
  output.
  
  In particular, I can't quite grasp exactly what the identifiers in
  between @@ and @@ represent exactly. Here is a patch file I created. The
  first change looks like it will replace lines 1 through 5, but then I
  look at the second change, and it completely confuses me (-11,6 +11,8).
  Can someone please clarify why 11 and 8?
  
 
 I think this kind of diff output is called unified. It displays
 hunks of differences while each hunk shows one aera where the file
 differs. 
 
  --- randbak.pl  Wed Oct 12 17:27:10 2005
  +++ randbak2.pl Fri Nov 11 13:06:51 2005
 
 According to info diff, the file displayed here is the file
 modification time.

Correcting what i just wrote : According to info diff, the *time*
displayed here is the file's modification time.

  @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
   #!/usr/bin/perl
  -
  +#
   use warnings;
   use strict;
   use Storable;
 
 This is the first hunk of changes between the files. The number -1,5
 is the line range in the first file while +1,5 is the file range on
 the second file . But 1,5 doesn't mean all lines between line 1 and
 line 5. It means in line 1 ,  + 5 lines afterward. (consider 5 as the
 length of the compared regions)
 
 In this hunk you can see clearly that you removed a whiteline and you
 add a comment line, so the total numbers of line in both files are
 exactly the same. Thus you've got -1,5 +1,5. The length of the
 compared region in boths files did not change.
 
 If the second number is different, like in the following hunk, then
 the data displayed are lines 11-16 on the first file (-11,6) and
 because you added two lines (the ones starting with +) the file range
 of the compared region in the second file is 11-18 (+11,8)
 
 
 I hope this helps and i'm terribly sorry for my english. Alternatively
 you can check `info diff' for more information on diff different kinds
 of output.
 
  @@ -11,6 +11,8 @@
   my $num;
   my $sum = sum;
   my $total = 0;
  +
  +# Test
  
   if (-e randomcount){
  $href = retrieve (randomcount);
  
  
  Thank you for any advice!
  Steve
  
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Re: portmanager -slid deletes the wrong port!

2005-11-11 Thread Michael C. Shultz
On Friday 11 November 2005 12:07, Danny MacMillan wrote:
 Michael C. Shultz wrote:
  On Wednesday 09 November 2005 22:53, Danny MacMillan wrote:
 I'm running portmanager to do some port maintenance on one of my
 servers.  I'm trying to delete devel/cvs2svn.  Each time I try to delete
 it, it deletes devel/python instead.  This is exceedingly disconcerting.
 
  Just underwent major revision, bound to be a few glitches, sorry about
  that. The upgrade portion is pretty solid but looks like you might have
  found a bug in -slid, if so I'll post a fix tomorrow. If your not at
  version 0.3.3_2 then cvsup again and let me know for sure if that version
  has this problem.

 Hi, Mike.

 The version of portmanager I was using when I experienced the problem
 was definitely 0.3.3_2; I verified the version when I saw it was
 misbehaving.  And although this is somewhat belated, here's the uname -a
 output on the affected system:

 FreeBSD hobbit.emerald-associates.com 6.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE
 #0: Wed Nov  9 04:09:55 MST 2005
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/HOBBIT  i386

 After portmanager failed to work properly with cvs2svn, I did not
 attempt to use it to delete any other ports, so cvs2svn is the only case
 I know wasn't working.  I used pkg_delete to delete cvs2svn instead, so
 I can not verify the operation of the updated portmanager by using it to
 delete that port.  However, I just upgraded to the latest version of
 portmanager (0.3.4) and tested it against a different package and it
 worked properly.  Unless you receive other problem reports, I'd call the
 issue resolved.

 Thanks for the speedy response.


Thanks for reporting it! Stupid error on my part hopefully got caught before 
too much damage was done. :|

-Mike
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Re: portmanager -slid core dumps

2005-11-11 Thread Michael C. Shultz
On Friday 11 November 2005 12:55, Danny MacMillan wrote:
 Hi,

 I am experiencing further difficulties with portmanager -slid.  I was
 successfully able to delete several leaf ports.  However, when I try to
 delete devel/p5-Locale-gettext or devel/gmake, portmanager core dumps
 with the following message:

 ...
 n Nuking gmake-3.80_2

 MGdbGoTop error: invalid object type, has this object been initialised
 with MGdbCreate or MGdbOpen yet?
 MGdbSeek error: invalid object type
 Assertion failed: (0), function MGdbSeek, file MGdbSeek.c, line 36.
 zsh: abort (core dumped)  sudo portmanager -slid

 Are there any practices I should be following in order to ensure
 consistency of my ports tree?  In particular, are there any deleterious
 consequences of using make deinstall to remove a port that has been
 updated since it was installed?

What version of portmanager?

 portmanager -v


-Mike
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password expiration question

2005-11-11 Thread Eric F Crist

How can I force POP3/IMAP servers to honor password expiration?

Thanks.
-
Eric F Crist
Secure Computing Networks
http://www.secure-computing.net



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How can I programatically eject a live cd?

2005-11-11 Thread Sean Bruno
I was looking for an answer to this question.  Since my CD is actually
the running file system(is mounted), I cannnot eject it while the system
is running.

So is there a way to do this that y'all have found, or do I have to
change my CD to run from memory(RAMDISK) instead of running from the CD.

Sean

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Re: portmanager -slid core dumps

2005-11-11 Thread Danny MacMillan
Michael C. Shultz wrote:
 On Friday 11 November 2005 12:55, Danny MacMillan wrote:

I am experiencing further difficulties with portmanager -slid.  I was
successfully able to delete several leaf ports.  However, when I try to
delete devel/p5-Locale-gettext or devel/gmake, portmanager core dumps
with the following message:

...
n Nuking gmake-3.80_2

MGdbGoTop error: invalid object type, has this object been initialised
with MGdbCreate or MGdbOpen yet?
MGdbSeek error: invalid object type
Assertion failed: (0), function MGdbSeek, file MGdbSeek.c, line 36.
zsh: abort (core dumped)  sudo portmanager -slid
 
 What version of portmanager?

hobbit% sudo portmanager -v
Password:
rCreateCommandLineDb 0.3.4_0 info: executing rm -f
/usr/local/share/portmanager/commandLine.db

rParseCommandLine 0.3.4_0

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Re: 2610SA sata raid array ... backported yet ? driver update package ?

2005-11-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Nov 11, 2005, at 12:56 PM, user wrote:



I would like to use an adaptec 2610SA SATA raid controller with  
FreeBSD

5.4.

My research:

http://lists.ooz.net/freebsd-hackers/?mid=19018

shows that aac_pci.c has this in it for 6.0, and there were some  
plans to

backport it to 5.4 with a driver update ?

Does anyone know the status of this ?  I have looked in the 5.4  
release

notes, and did not see anything - where else can I look for this ?


Have you just tried doing a diff from the 6.0 and 5.4 aac_pci.c  
files?  I have not done so but I would bet there is a simple 2610SA  
pci Id added and that is all, in terms of 2610SA support.  I was able  
to do this earlier with 2410SA support and an earlier version of  
FreeBSD.


best
Chad



Thanks.

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Re: portmanager -slid core dumps

2005-11-11 Thread Michael C. Shultz
On Friday 11 November 2005 13:35, Danny MacMillan wrote:
 Michael C. Shultz wrote:
  On Friday 11 November 2005 12:55, Danny MacMillan wrote:
 I am experiencing further difficulties with portmanager -slid.  I was
 successfully able to delete several leaf ports.  However, when I try to
 delete devel/p5-Locale-gettext or devel/gmake, portmanager core dumps
 with the following message:
 
 ...
 n Nuking gmake-3.80_2
 
 MGdbGoTop error: invalid object type, has this object been initialised
 with MGdbCreate or MGdbOpen yet?
 MGdbSeek error: invalid object type
 Assertion failed: (0), function MGdbSeek, file MGdbSeek.c, line 36.
 zsh: abort (core dumped)  sudo portmanager -slid
 
  What version of portmanager?

 hobbit% sudo portmanager -v
 Password:
 rCreateCommandLineDb 0.3.4_0 info: executing rm -f
 /usr/local/share/portmanager/commandLine.db

 rParseCommandLine 0.3.4_0

OK, that is the most current version.  There isn't an obvious problem I can 
see in the code but there is something that can be done better so I'll make 
that change then we'll see what happens.  Are you running FreeBSD 6.0
by any chance? 

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Re: portmanager -slid core dumps

2005-11-11 Thread Michael C. Shultz
On Friday 11 November 2005 14:21, you wrote:
 On Friday 11 November 2005 13:35, Danny MacMillan wrote:
  Michael C. Shultz wrote:
   On Friday 11 November 2005 12:55, Danny MacMillan wrote:
  I am experiencing further difficulties with portmanager -slid.  I was
  successfully able to delete several leaf ports.  However, when I try to
  delete devel/p5-Locale-gettext or devel/gmake, portmanager core dumps
  with the following message:
  
  ...
  n Nuking gmake-3.80_2
  
  MGdbGoTop error: invalid object type, has this object been initialised
  with MGdbCreate or MGdbOpen yet?
  MGdbSeek error: invalid object type
  Assertion failed: (0), function MGdbSeek, file MGdbSeek.c, line 36.
  zsh: abort (core dumped)  sudo portmanager -slid
  
   What version of portmanager?
 
  hobbit% sudo portmanager -v
  Password:
  rCreateCommandLineDb 0.3.4_0 info: executing rm -f
  /usr/local/share/portmanager/commandLine.db
 
  rParseCommandLine 0.3.4_0

 OK, that is the most current version.  There isn't an obvious problem I can
 see in the code but there is something that can be done better so I'll make
 that change then we'll see what happens.  Are you running FreeBSD 6.0
 by any chance?

 -Mike

Opps, found the bug, it would only happen if you used the small n, big N
or x or X should work ok untill I get a patch out.  Thanks for reporting :)

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Re: portmanager -slid core dumps

2005-11-11 Thread Danny MacMillan
Michael C. Shultz wrote:
 On Friday 11 November 2005 13:35, Danny MacMillan wrote:
 
Michael C. Shultz wrote:

On Friday 11 November 2005 12:55, Danny MacMillan wrote:

I am experiencing further difficulties with portmanager -slid.  I was
successfully able to delete several leaf ports.  However, when I try to
delete devel/p5-Locale-gettext or devel/gmake, portmanager core dumps
with the following message:

...
n Nuking gmake-3.80_2

MGdbGoTop error: invalid object type, has this object been initialised
with MGdbCreate or MGdbOpen yet?
MGdbSeek error: invalid object type
Assertion failed: (0), function MGdbSeek, file MGdbSeek.c, line 36.
zsh: abort (core dumped)  sudo portmanager -slid

What version of portmanager?

rParseCommandLine 0.3.4_0
 
 OK, that is the most current version.  There isn't an obvious problem I can 
 see in the code but there is something that can be done better so I'll make 
 that change then we'll see what happens.  Are you running FreeBSD 6.0
 by any chance? 

Yes, I am.

hobbit% uname -a
FreeBSD hobbit.emerald-associates.com 6.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE
#0: Wed Nov  9 04:09:55 MST 2005
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Re: RELENG_6 cvsup returns 6.0-RC1

2005-11-11 Thread Frank Jahnke
 I just ran a cvsup with a tag of RELENG_6 and rebuilt world/kernel.
 After installing kernel/world and subsequent reboot, I expected to see
 a kernel labeled:

FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE

 but am instead seeing:

FreeBSD 6.0-RC1

 I double-checked my supfile and my tag is indeed RELENG_6.

Set your tag to RELENG_6_0 and all will be well.

Frank

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Re: portmanager -slid core dumps

2005-11-11 Thread Danny MacMillan
Michael C. Shultz wrote:
 On Friday 11 November 2005 14:21, you wrote:

On Friday 11 November 2005 13:35, Danny MacMillan wrote:

Michael C. Shultz wrote:

On Friday 11 November 2005 12:55, Danny MacMillan wrote:

I am experiencing further difficulties with portmanager -slid.  I was
successfully able to delete several leaf ports.  However, when I try to
delete devel/p5-Locale-gettext or devel/gmake, portmanager core dumps
with the following message:

...
n Nuking gmake-3.80_2

MGdbGoTop error: invalid object type, has this object been initialised
with MGdbCreate or MGdbOpen yet?
MGdbSeek error: invalid object type
Assertion failed: (0), function MGdbSeek, file MGdbSeek.c, line 36.
zsh: abort (core dumped)  sudo portmanager -slid

What version of portmanager?

hobbit% sudo portmanager -v
Password:
rCreateCommandLineDb 0.3.4_0 info: executing rm -f
/usr/local/share/portmanager/commandLine.db

rParseCommandLine 0.3.4_0

OK, that is the most current version.  There isn't an obvious problem I can
see in the code but there is something that can be done better so I'll make
that change then we'll see what happens.  Are you running FreeBSD 6.0
by any chance?
 
 Opps, found the bug, it would only happen if you used the small n, big N
 or x or X should work ok untill I get a patch out.  Thanks for reporting :)

Sorry, Mike.  For both devel/p5-Locale-gettext and devel/gmake, it
doesn't make any difference if I use 'n', 'N', 'x', or 'X'.  I still get
exactly the same error.

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Re: RELENG_6 cvsup returns 6.0-RC1

2005-11-11 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 02:54:11PM -0800, Frank Jahnke wrote:
  I just ran a cvsup with a tag of RELENG_6 and rebuilt world/kernel.
  After installing kernel/world and subsequent reboot, I expected to see
  a kernel labeled:
 
 FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE
 
  but am instead seeing:
 
 FreeBSD 6.0-RC1
 
  I double-checked my supfile and my tag is indeed RELENG_6.
 
 Set your tag to RELENG_6_0 and all will be well.

No, that's the release branch.  RELENG_6 indeed should work as he
expects.  Is anyone else able to confirm that this cvsup server is
handing out old files?

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Re: gvinum/geom_vinum in 6.0?

2005-11-11 Thread David Kelly


On Nov 11, 2005, at 10:46 AM, David Kelly wrote:


Upgrade to RELENG_6 went pretty smoothly from RELENG_5 but for my
striped gvinum volume.

Mergemaster wanted to remove /etc/rc.d/vinum, so I copied it and  
allowed
the original to be removed. On reboot /dev/gvinum/vinum0 does not  
exist.


In 5.x gvinum start created /dev/gvinum/vimum0. Manually starting
gvinum fails to do anything to /dev/.

Observed /bin/vinum was left over from previous FreeBSD and complained
about lacking a vinum kernel module so I have removed it.

I have geom_vinum loaded:


Never mind. Don't know why it didn't work from first boot or why it  
wouldn't start manually after, but its working now.


Added geom_vinum_load=YES to /boot/loader.conf. Rebooted. And now  
things work as they did before. The difference is that gvinum now  
sees the drives more completely. Previously listed 0 drives: but  
got the volume, plex and subdisks correct.


# gvinum list
2 drives:
D vinumdrive1   State: up   /dev/ad6s1d A: 0/156041  
MB (0%)
D vinumdrive0   State: up   /dev/ad4s1d A: 0/156041  
MB (0%)


1 volume:
V vinum0State: up   Plexes:   1 Size: 
304 GB


1 plex:
P vinum0.p0   S State: up   Subdisks: 2 Size: 
304 GB


2 subdisks:
S vinum0.p0.s0  State: up   D: vinumdrive0  Size: 
152 GB
S vinum0.p0.s1  State: up   D: vinumdrive1  Size: 
152 GB


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Re: RELENG_6 cvsup returns 6.0-RC1

2005-11-11 Thread Frank Jahnke
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 18:07 -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote:

  
  Set your tag to RELENG_6_0 and all will be well.
 
 No, that's the release branch.  RELENG_6 indeed should work as he
 expects.  Is anyone else able to confirm that this cvsup server is
 handing out old files?
 
 Kris

I've read on other boards about the same issue (see
http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?t=36432 ).  When I
upgraded from -RC1 to 6.0-RELEASE (by portupgrade) I used the tag I
mentioned without issues.

Frank

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Re: RELENG_6 cvsup returns 6.0-RC1

2005-11-11 Thread Frank Jahnke
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 15:09 -0800, Frank Jahnke wrote:

 I've read on other boards about the same issue (see
 http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?t=36432 ).  When I
 upgraded from -RC1 to 6.0-RELEASE (by portupgrade) I used the tag I
 mentioned without issues.

Sorry, that wasn't by portupgrade, of course, but rather the usual
buildworld etc. process.

Frank

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Re: RELENG_6 cvsup returns 6.0-RC1

2005-11-11 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 03:09:31PM -0800, Frank Jahnke wrote:
 On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 18:07 -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote:
 
   
   Set your tag to RELENG_6_0 and all will be well.
  
  No, that's the release branch.  RELENG_6 indeed should work as he
  expects.  Is anyone else able to confirm that this cvsup server is
  handing out old files?
  
  Kris
 
 I've read on other boards about the same issue (see
 http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?t=36432 ).  When I
 upgraded from -RC1 to 6.0-RELEASE (by portupgrade) I used the tag I
 mentioned without issues.

OK, but you're still wrong :-)

Kris


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Re: RELENG_6 cvsup returns 6.0-RC1

2005-11-11 Thread Frank Jahnke
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 18:21 -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote:

  
  I've read on other boards about the same issue (see
  http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?t=36432 ).  When I
  upgraded from -RC1 to 6.0-RELEASE (by portupgrade) I used the tag I
  mentioned without issues.
 
 OK, but you're still wrong :-)
 
 Kris

If you are talking about the tag designations, you're right, but it
worked for me!  I also remember something in the release notes about
this, I think...

Frank

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Re: RELENG_6 cvsup returns 6.0-RC1

2005-11-11 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 06:07:13PM -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 02:54:11PM -0800, Frank Jahnke wrote:
   I just ran a cvsup with a tag of RELENG_6 and rebuilt world/kernel.
   After installing kernel/world and subsequent reboot, I expected to see
   a kernel labeled:
  
  FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE
  
   but am instead seeing:
  
  FreeBSD 6.0-RC1
  
   I double-checked my supfile and my tag is indeed RELENG_6.
  
  Set your tag to RELENG_6_0 and all will be well.
 
 No, that's the release branch.  RELENG_6 indeed should work as he
 expects.  Is anyone else able to confirm that this cvsup server is
 handing out old files?

Yes, I just tried the cvsup server he said he was using
(cvsup8.us.freebsd.org) and does indeed hand out old files, as if it hasn't
been updated in quite a while.

To the OP:  Use another cvsup server.  The one you have been using seem to
have problems.



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Re: RELENG_6 cvsup returns 6.0-RC1

2005-11-11 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 03:20:23PM -0800, Frank Jahnke wrote:
 On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 18:21 -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote:
 
   
   I've read on other boards about the same issue (see
   http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?t=36432 ).  When I
   upgraded from -RC1 to 6.0-RELEASE (by portupgrade) I used the tag I
   mentioned without issues.
  
  OK, but you're still wrong :-)
  
  Kris
 
 If you are talking about the tag designations, you're right, but it
 worked for me!

You're trying to do something different: upgrade to
6.0-RELEASE+security patches instead of upgrade to 6.0-STABLE.  If
it's indeed a cvsup server that stopped updating in the 6.0-RC1
timeframe, neither will work with that server (hence why I asked for
confirmation), but the user wanted the latter, and you gave him the
wrong branch tag.

 I also remember something in the release notes about
 this, I think...

I doubt it...you must be mis-remembering.

Kris

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cvsup8.freebsd.org not updating (Re: RELENG_6 cvsup returns 6.0-RC1)

2005-11-11 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 12:30:32AM +0100, Erik Trulsson wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 06:07:13PM -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote:
  On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 02:54:11PM -0800, Frank Jahnke wrote:
I just ran a cvsup with a tag of RELENG_6 and rebuilt world/kernel.
After installing kernel/world and subsequent reboot, I expected to see
a kernel labeled:
   
   FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE
   
but am instead seeing:
   
   FreeBSD 6.0-RC1
   
I double-checked my supfile and my tag is indeed RELENG_6.
   
   Set your tag to RELENG_6_0 and all will be well.
  
  No, that's the release branch.  RELENG_6 indeed should work as he
  expects.  Is anyone else able to confirm that this cvsup server is
  handing out old files?
 
 Yes, I just tried the cvsup server he said he was using
 (cvsup8.us.freebsd.org) and does indeed hand out old files, as if it hasn't
 been updated in quite a while.
 
 To the OP:  Use another cvsup server.  The one you have been using seem to
 have problems. 

Thanks for confirming, I'm forwarding this to hubs@

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Re: portmanager -slid core dumps

2005-11-11 Thread Michael C. Shultz
On Friday 11 November 2005 15:02, Danny MacMillan wrote:
 Michael C. Shultz wrote:
  On Friday 11 November 2005 14:21, you wrote:
 On Friday 11 November 2005 13:35, Danny MacMillan wrote:
 Michael C. Shultz wrote:
 On Friday 11 November 2005 12:55, Danny MacMillan wrote:
 I am experiencing further difficulties with portmanager -slid.  I was
 successfully able to delete several leaf ports.  However, when I try
  to delete devel/p5-Locale-gettext or devel/gmake, portmanager core
  dumps with the following message:
 
 ...
 n Nuking gmake-3.80_2
 
 MGdbGoTop error: invalid object type, has this object been initialised
 with MGdbCreate or MGdbOpen yet?
 MGdbSeek error: invalid object type
 Assertion failed: (0), function MGdbSeek, file MGdbSeek.c, line 36.
 zsh: abort (core dumped)  sudo portmanager -slid
 
 What version of portmanager?
 
 hobbit% sudo portmanager -v
 Password:
 rCreateCommandLineDb 0.3.4_0 info: executing rm -f
 /usr/local/share/portmanager/commandLine.db
 
 rParseCommandLine 0.3.4_0
 
 OK, that is the most current version.  There isn't an obvious problem I
  can see in the code but there is something that can be done better so
  I'll make that change then we'll see what happens.  Are you running
  FreeBSD 6.0 by any chance?
 
  Opps, found the bug, it would only happen if you used the small n, big
  N or x or X should work ok untill I get a patch out.  Thanks for
  reporting :)

 Sorry, Mike.  For both devel/p5-Locale-gettext and devel/gmake, it
 doesn't make any difference if I use 'n', 'N', 'x', or 'X'.  I still get
 exactly the same error.

OK, I found other stuff too, will post 0.3.4_1 tomorrow please wait till then
to use -slid ok?

-Mike


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Re: RELENG_6 cvsup returns 6.0-RC1

2005-11-11 Thread Frank Jahnke
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 18:32 -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote:

 
 You're trying to do something different: upgrade to
 6.0-RELEASE+security patches instead of upgrade to 6.0-STABLE.  If
 it's indeed a cvsup server that stopped updating in the 6.0-RC1
 timeframe, neither will work with that server (hence why I asked for
 confirmation), but the user wanted the latter, and you gave him the
 wrong branch tag.
 
This may be semantics at this point.  Is there really a difference right
now between 6.0-RELEASE and 6.0-STABLE?  Yes, I understand the
difference between the designations, but I cvsuped and built seven days
ago, shortly after the release of -RELEASE.  Have there really been
changes in the snapshot during that time?  If so, what?

Frank

(Kris, sorry for the duplicate...)

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Re: RELENG_6 cvsup returns 6.0-RC1

2005-11-11 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 03:36:22PM -0800, Frank Jahnke wrote:
 On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 18:32 -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote:
 
  
  You're trying to do something different: upgrade to
  6.0-RELEASE+security patches instead of upgrade to 6.0-STABLE.  If
  it's indeed a cvsup server that stopped updating in the 6.0-RC1
  timeframe, neither will work with that server (hence why I asked for
  confirmation), but the user wanted the latter, and you gave him the
  wrong branch tag.
  
 This may be semantics at this point.  Is there really a difference right
 now between 6.0-RELEASE and 6.0-STABLE?  Yes, I understand the
 difference between the designations, but I cvsuped and built seven days
 ago, shortly after the release of -RELEASE.  Have there really been
 changes in the snapshot during that time?  If so, what?
 
 Frank

Yes, of course..there are usually several merges of bug fixes and/or
other changes to 6.0-STABLE every day.

 (Kris, sorry for the duplicate...)

Likewise :)

Kris


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kldload dhcp client not working properly after upgrade to 6.0

2005-11-11 Thread Danny MacMillan
Hi,

I recently upgraded two of the systems under my purview to FreeBSD
6.0-RELEASE, both from FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p8.  On one of them,
everything appeared to work perfectly.  On the other, something is
definitely fubar'ed.

There are two notable symptoms of this that I have seen.  The first is
minor, the second less so.

I have in the /etc/rc.conf of both systems:

saver=star

I noticed some text on the screwed up system (during boot, I think, my
memory is fuzzy about where I saw it) indicating that star_saver could
not be loaded.  Interesting.  So I tried

hobbit% sudo kldload star_saver
Password:
kldload: can't load star_saver: No such file or directory

Interesting.  So:

hobbit% sudo kldload /boot/kernel/star_saver.ko
hobbit% kldstat
Id Refs AddressSize Name
 14 0xc040 657ab0   kernel
 21 0xc0a58000 5c3c vesa.ko
 31 0xc3728000 2000 star_saver.ko
hobbit%

If I specify the fully-qualified path, it works.

It was working before the upgrade to 6.0.  It was and is still working
on the other system I upgraded at the same time.

The other issue is with adding alias IP addresses to an interface whose
primary address is assigned via DHCP.  I think it might be related to
the above.  The non-working system had in its /etc/rc.conf the following
lines:

ifconfig_rl0=DHCP
ifconfig_rl0_alias0=inet 192.168.1.251 netmask 255.255.255.255
ifconfig_rl0_alias1=inet 192.168.1.250 netmask 255.255.255.255

The DHCP server is configured to always assign 192.168.1.6/24 to this
machine's NIC.  After the upgrade to 6.0, ifconfig -a reported that the
rl0 interface had acquired 192.168.1.6 and 192.168.1.250, but not
192.168.1.251!  This had rather serious consequences for our network
since that is the IP we use for our internal DNS cache.  I was able to
grab the IP address by typing:

sudo ifconfig rl0 inet 192.168.1.251 netmask 255.255.255.255 alias

However, this was not sufficient because we need that server to come up
when we reboot the machine.  So I changed rc.conf to this:

defaultrouter=192.168.1.253
ifconfig_rl0=inet 192.168.1.6 netmask 255.255.255.0
#ifconfig_rl0=DHCP
ifconfig_rl0_alias0=inet 192.168.1.251 netmask 255.255.255.255
ifconfig_rl0_alias1=inet 192.168.1.250 netmask 255.255.255.255

I then rebooted, and everything worked fine.  The machine that has no
problems with kldload does not have any IP aliases.

The only notable differences between the systems are these:  The working
system started its life as FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE, while the non-working
system started its life as FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE.  Also, the non-working
system is a CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor (400.91-MHz 586-class CPU) as
reported by dmesg.  The working system is a CPU: AMD Athlon(TM) XP1600+
(1059.44-MHz 686-class CPU) (I like underclocking :)

Note that the upgrade of the non-working system was performed in several
steps:

cvsup to RELENG_5_1 and upgrade
cvsup to RELENG_5_2 and upgrade
cvsup to RELENG_5_3 and upgrade
cvsup to RELENG_5_4 and upgrade
cvsup to RELENG_6_0 and upgrade

After each of these steps, except the final upgrade to 6.0, everything
was still working fine.  Before each of these steps, with one exception
(see below) I copied GENERIC over my own kernel file and 'customized' it
by changing the IDENT and removing I486_CPU and I686_CPU.  These were
the only changes I made.

I thought I must have screwed something up during the upgrade, so I
repeated the build and install of (6.0) kernel and world as described in
the handbook.  No dice.  I thought I must have incorrectly merged
something during the mergemaster, so I ran mergemaster -s and carefully
scrutinized each change.  Still no dice.

Then I realized that before I built world with the RELENG_6_0 source, I
had forgotten to copy GENERIC over my own kernel config and modify.  So
I did that, then built and installed just the kernel.  That didn't work,
so I then repeated the entire rebuilding world and mergemaster -s
again, just in case.  Everything went well, but the problem did not go away.

Does anyone have any idea what's going on?  I feel like I'm taking crazy
pills!

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Re: Status of 6.0 for production systems

2005-11-11 Thread Michael Vince

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:


Admittedly if Microsoft were trying to make Windows XP run well
on a 486
it wouldn't be nearly as a likable OS it is today.

   



That's not true either.  If Microsoft were trying to make it work on a
486 it
would run a lot better on bigger hardware because they would have to
prune
all the fat off it.

Haven't you ever noticed with Windows that the user interface speed is
still the same today, with brand new hardware, as it was 10 years ago
on older versions of Windows?

Try running Windows 98 one day on brand new hardware - it is almost a
religious experience.  Open a window and Bang - it's there, completely
drawn in, so fast you can't even see it draw.  THAT is how it's supposed
to be.  The problem is the stupid consumers don't understand that every
year that they buy newer and faster hardware it just helps Microsoft to
make their stuff slower.  So they never get ahead.
 

Windows 98 is what made MS famous for instability and its not even a 
comparable OS in terms of stability of Windows XP.
I believe most tech people have thought the same way in terms of every 
new versions of MS windows needs a faster PC, and it has a good side of 
MS as far as I am concerned because without the demand for faster CPUs 
to run MS Windows the CPU industry would still be sitting around Pentium 
2 performance today.


Its the same for the Internet if Gates had not put a 'get on the 
Internet now' icon on all those win95 and 98 during the pc boom days to 
trigger peoples interest the Internet it wouldn't be as cheap or as fast 
as it is for end consumers.
And if web pages had been only made for dial up to keep modem users 
happy broadband wouldn't exist or be nearly as cheap.



AMD64/EMT64 appears to be the mainstream high performance future and
should get the most support, although some technologists are
saying that
Itanium is going to make a come back believe it or not, check out the
latest anandtech article for example
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2598

If theres some guy who uses a 386sx 25mhz to run his water gardening
sprinkler system he should let go of demanding 6.x work on his system
and just use what he needs such as 4.x
   



6.x will not boot on a 386, the math coprocessor emulator is not in
the generic kernel anymore.


I know I used it as an example.


And if he needs say the latest perl 6 to control his sprinkler system
and its not available in 4.x any more then he should just use NetBSD,
NetBSD is for all types of hardware and is a fine OS.

   



That is not a FreeBSD issue, that is an issue with the Perl development
team and what -they- choose to support.  You frankly sound like you have
never compiled anything from scratch.  


I used it as another mere possible example in the future.



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Re: portmanager -slid core dumps

2005-11-11 Thread Danny MacMillan
Michael C. Shultz wrote:
On Friday 11 November 2005 12:55, Danny MacMillan wrote:

I am experiencing further difficulties with portmanager -slid.  I was
successfully able to delete several leaf ports.  However, when I try
to delete devel/p5-Locale-gettext or devel/gmake, portmanager core
dumps with the following message:

...
n Nuking gmake-3.80_2

MGdbGoTop error: invalid object type, has this object been initialised
with MGdbCreate or MGdbOpen yet?
MGdbSeek error: invalid object type
Assertion failed: (0), function MGdbSeek, file MGdbSeek.c, line 36.
zsh: abort (core dumped)  sudo portmanager -slid
 
 OK, I found other stuff too, will post 0.3.4_1 tomorrow please wait till then
 to use -slid ok?

Will cooperate.  Thank you for your kind attention.

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Danny MacMillan
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Re: RELENG_6 cvsup returns 6.0-RC1

2005-11-11 Thread Doug Poland
On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 12:30:32AM +0100, Erik Trulsson wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 06:07:13PM -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote:
  On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 02:54:11PM -0800, Frank Jahnke wrote:
I just ran a cvsup with a tag of RELENG_6 and rebuilt world/kernel.
After installing kernel/world and subsequent reboot, I expected to see
a kernel labeled:
   
   FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE
   
but am instead seeing:
   
   FreeBSD 6.0-RC1
   
I double-checked my supfile and my tag is indeed RELENG_6.
   
   Set your tag to RELENG_6_0 and all will be well.
  
  No, that's the release branch.  RELENG_6 indeed should work as he
  expects.  Is anyone else able to confirm that this cvsup server is
  handing out old files?
 
 Yes, I just tried the cvsup server he said he was using
 (cvsup8.us.freebsd.org) and does indeed hand out old files, as if it
 hasn't been updated in quite a while.
 
 To the OP:  Use another cvsup server.  The one you have been using
 seem to have problems.
 
Thanks, for the confirmation.  I'll use another cvsup server.  I thought
I was going nuts!

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Reading RELENG_6 kernel tunables?

2005-11-11 Thread David Kelly
/usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES says:

# 2.  In /boot/loader.conf, set the tunables kern.maxswzone,
# kern.maxbcache, kern.maxtsiz, kern.dfldsiz, kern.maxdsiz,
# kern.dflssiz, kern.maxssiz and kern.sgrowsiz.

Is loader.conf in some sort of different world than sysctl(8)? Shouldn't
I be able to at least view the current settings using sysctl? I
understand these are things which may have to be set in stone before the
kernel starts running proper. Just want to see the current value.

# sysctl kern.maxssiz
sysctl: unknown oid 'kern.maxssiz'

Show how can a view the current setting and confirm my messing with
loader.conf took hold?

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Obtaining release 4.1

2005-11-11 Thread Dinh C. Nguyen
Hi,
 I am trying to download release 4.1 from the website and I am unable to
connect to either of the ftp sites from FreeBSD.org. I was wondering if the
server is down because I would like to get a copy of release 4.1. Thank you.
  Dinh Nguyen
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WPA for freebsd6.0 access point

2005-11-11 Thread Henry
The documentation on this seems very scarce and I am unable to figure  
out how to repace my current wireless access point setup using WEP to  
use WPA.


Anybody know?
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Re: Antivir for mail server

2005-11-11 Thread Vulpes Velox
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:19:24 +0100
Fatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm doubting about to install CLAM or DR.WEB antivir in the mail
 server.
 
 What do you advise to me?

Up at work I have the system setup to use clamav. Using the
clamassassin interface for it.
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Re: Reading RELENG_6 kernel tunables?

2005-11-11 Thread Dev Tugnait
sysctl -a; man sysctl

On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 18:38 -0600, David Kelly wrote:
 /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES says:
 
 # 2.  In /boot/loader.conf, set the tunables kern.maxswzone,
 # kern.maxbcache, kern.maxtsiz, kern.dfldsiz, kern.maxdsiz,
 # kern.dflssiz, kern.maxssiz and kern.sgrowsiz.
 
 Is loader.conf in some sort of different world than sysctl(8)? Shouldn't
 I be able to at least view the current settings using sysctl? I
 understand these are things which may have to be set in stone before the
 kernel starts running proper. Just want to see the current value.
 
 # sysctl kern.maxssiz
 sysctl: unknown oid 'kern.maxssiz'
 
 Show how can a view the current setting and confirm my messing with
 loader.conf took hold?
 

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Re: Obtaining release 4.1

2005-11-11 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 07:39:18PM -0500, Dinh C. Nguyen wrote:
 Hi,
  I am trying to download release 4.1 from the website and I am unable to
 connect to either of the ftp sites from FreeBSD.org. I was wondering if the
 server is down because I would like to get a copy of release 4.1. Thank you.

http://mirrorlist.freebsd.org/.  4.1 is really old and no longer
carried on most mirrors, but you might get lucky and still find one
that does.

Kris


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Re: Status of 6.0 for production systems

2005-11-11 Thread Michael Vince



I prefer the idea of the FreeBSD team aiming at only the latest
hardware, all I use is brand new server equipment.
I don't like the idea that FreeBSD features and performance development
could be hampered by the core guys trying to make stuff work on old
hardware, in fact if it was a fact that a lot more performance and
features could be in 6.x if they dropped support for everything below
1ghz for x86 I would be happy
   



Supporting older hardware is not some bad decision made by core, it is
a general design and philosophy point of not only FreeBSD, but unix
and the community in general. That is a very selfish statement, and
rather rediculous actually, that the tens of thousands of people
running older hardware (example: Yahoo! - pentium of about half that
speed serving hundreds of thousands of http requests per day)  should
upgrade to 1ghz machines because that's what you use. Even Windows
runs on less than that.

But you are always welcome to make your own version that supports only that.
 

I said it in terms of an over the top example to maximize a trigger of 
thoughts in this area of topic, such as an example of movement as those 
more in the realms of what MS do with what their standard is in hardware 
support for modern operating systems, luckily I am just 'some guy' on 
the mailing list and have little what so ever say to what happens on 
FreeBSD.


I don't believe its a very selfish statement at all. When I say get rid 
of old hardware the one of the largest flow of thoughts that go through 
my mind is the support future world energy needs. Most scientists tell 
you that there will be a world energy crisis sometime in the future and 
people should be prepared to pay money money for the energy they use.
Its energy crisis web sites are all over the Internet. While some people 
fear a nuclear attack from terrorists or nuclear war in general if you 
want to fear a day of doom some people will tell you there is something 
even more terrifying and just as destructive coming our way, that is 
running out of cheap energy, hard to understand? I recommend to any one 
using a PC for the single use of a home gateway or using power in ways 
that aren't ideal but simply because energy is cheap simply because they 
can get away with it the get the DVD  'The End of Suburbia'. It will 
tell you that as the world hits its energy peak the cost of fuel will 
always go up in the world market every time there is any kind of issue 
and barely go back down (as it has lately). They claim the cost of 
moving around in suburbia will get so expensive that the value of the 
suburban house will fall through the floor and ruin a lot of lives since 
most people put their life savings investing in their home assuming it 
will increase in value over time.

http://www.endofsuburbia.com/
http://www.energycrisis.com/

While most people aren't using a pentium 1 to run a water sprinkler 
system, there are a countless amount of people using machines for things 
that aren't ideally power efficient. A lot of people using old PCs and 
Internet gateways in their home network and nothing else. This is a 24 
hour PC running just to provide Internet where a basic Netgear home 
router 500ma device can do it just as well, (5volts * 0.5amp = 
2.5watts), a lot of people use FreeBSD as a server in some way on a 
network and need to keep it somewhat up to date for security reasons 
this also means 24 hour running. A lot of people on the FreeBSD mailing 
lists like the idea of getting rid of their clunky old PC routers and 
still using a good firewall like Packet Filter by using the MIPS based 
linksys WRT54G router that could run FreeBSD, while there is no port for 
this on FreeBSD the closest front for this would be NetBSD.


Its really a case of the dark side of the force is clouds your vision.
Most people who have a properly functioning conscious mind who setup a 
PC as nothing more then a gateway for a small band of traffic feel a bit 
of guilt when they do it while others are just ignorant or work under 
the theme of what they can get away with is OK. Lets just continue this 
line of thought, how about the rich and powerful nations go dropping 
barrels of nuclear waste out of airplanes on poor nations, this is 
something they could probably 'get away with' but its not right thing to do.


A lot of people wondered how Steve Jobs could dare change over to Intel 
chips.
In Steve Jobs keynote speech announcing the big move Intel chips was 
just about entirely stated as because of the 'performance per watt 
ratio' of Intel CPUs. Check out the picture of the key note speech and 
look at the bottom of the picture with Intel and IBM's PowerPC processor.

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/tradeshows/2005/WWDC/perfperwatt.jpg

Big tech industry is trying to take some responsibility for people and 
Intel and AMD are already making it easier to build desktop systems 
using their mobile chips, check out more on Anandtech for that.


If Yahoo are 

Re: Status of 6.0 for production systems

2005-11-11 Thread Peter Clutton
On 11/11/05, Michael Vince [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Its the same for the Internet if Gates had not put a 'get on the
 Internet now' icon on all those win95 and 98 during the pc boom days to
 trigger peoples interest the Internet it wouldn't be as cheap or as fast
 as it is for end consumers.

That's hilarious really. To mention that the internet was developed
long before this on BSD systems probably isn't necessary. It also
shouldn't be necessary for anyone who has followed the internet to
mention Bill Gates' famous 1994 speech where he said that the internet
was a play thing for researchers and academics and that Windows would
never need to support TCP/IP. Next year (after someone obviously had a
word in his ear) he basically said that Microsoft had just invented
TCP/IP. Maybe this is where your confusion is coming from.

And in the end I doubt that FreeBSD core team will be responsible for
the end of the world lol. It's going a long way past reasonableness,
and to answer it adequately would require a flame. Thus this will be
my last post on this thread.
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