Re: freecolor: Bus error. software or hardware problem?

2010-07-24 Thread Antonio Kless
So, is it port trouble?


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Re: searching INDEX in .sh

2010-07-24 Thread Aiza

b. f. wrote:

I'm looking for a snippet of .sh type shell code that searches the
/usr/ports/INDEX-8 file for dependents.

Just a pointer to a script in the ports system that has this would be
helpful


Do you mean that, given port A, you want to find all ports that need
port A in order to be fetched, extracted, patched, built or installed?
 Or do you want to find all ports that are needed to fetch, extract,
patch, build or install port A? If the former, you could look at the
parts of ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk that are used by running `make -C
$PORTSDIR search bdeps=
display=name,path`, and `make -C $PORTSDIR search rdeps=  display=name,path`.  If the latter, look at
the parts of ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk that are used by running `make -C
 pretty-print-run-depends
pretty-print-build-depends`.  Also, parts of the ports-mgmt/portmaster
script used with --index-only may have similar functionality.

And do you mean to only use the INDEX?  Or are you able to use parts
of the port tree?  Or the pkg_info utility?



I just found /usr/ports/Tools/scripts/postsearch which uses the 
/usr/ports/INDEX-8 file as its source to search. This is a perl script 
but can be used from within in .sh script.


Been playing with it and see a big inconsistence in how ports list 
build-deps and run-deps. Some ports list no build-deps just run-deps and 
vise-versa and some have same listed list in both.


Thinking I will have to take both the build and run deps lists and sort 
them together and drop dups to create a good list of dependents to allow 
for the lax enforcement of standards in the Makefile about how to list 
the ports dependents.


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FreeBSD 8.1 AHCI Timeouts

2010-07-24 Thread Mak Kolybabi
I bought a netbook today, and am trying to get FreeBSD 8.1 amd64 
installed on it. As is my custom, I'm trying to back up the default 
system image the device came with. But no matter what I do, FreeBSD 
seems unable to properly interact with the hard drive.


The netbook is a Toshiba NB250.
The hard drive is listed by the BIOS as TOSHIBA MK1665GSXV-(S1).
The BIOS version is V1.30.

The first thing I did was boot the FreeBSD 8.1 amd64 USB install image, 
move to a fixit session using the live USB filesystem, and try and dd 
the hard drive to a USB stick. When I did that, the dd went terribly 
slow (a few KB a minute, before stalling), while dmesg was printing out:

> ad0: FAILURE - READ_DMA status=51 error=0 LBA=20530
These DMA failures occur regardless of whether the drive is in 
compatibility or AHCI mode.


The next thing I did was boot again, changed the drive to AHCI mode, and 
did a "load ahci.ko" in the bootloader command prompt. The dd caused:

> ahcich0: Timeout on slot 0
> ahcich0: is  cs  ss  rs  tfd 40 serr 



The next thing I did was boot again, with the drive in AHCI mode, and 
did a "load ataahci.ko" in the bootloader command prompt. The dd caused:

> ad0: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (1 retry left) LBA=2048

Doing some searches on the Internet for this problem, people often asked 
for verbose dmesg, pciconf, and vmstat output. I have attached them all.


Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Copyright (c) 1992-2010 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Jul 19 02:36:49 UTC 2010
r...@mason.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64
Preloaded elf kernel "/boot/kernel/kernel" at 0x8127c000.
Preloaded mfs_root "/boot/mfsroot" at 0x8127c230.
Preloaded elf obj module "/boot/kernel/ahci.ko" at 0x8127c280.
Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
Calibrating TSC clock ... TSC clock: 1662690860 Hz
CPU: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N455   @ 1.66GHz (1662.69-MHz K8-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x106ca  Family = 6  Model = 1c  Stepping = 10
  
Features=0xbfe9fbff
  Features2=0x40e39d
  AMD Features=0x20100800
  AMD Features2=0x1
  TSC: P-state invariant
real memory  = 1073741824 (1024 MB)
Physical memory chunk(s):
0x1000 - 0x00099fff, 626688 bytes (153 pages)
0x012aa000 - 0x3d7cbfff, 1012015104 bytes (247074 pages)
avail memory = 1004281856 (957 MB)
ACPI APIC Table: 
FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs
FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 1 core(s) x 2 HTT threads
 cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0
 cpu1 (AP/HT): APIC ID:  1
x86bios:   IVT 0x00-0x0004ff at 0xff00
x86bios:  SSEG 0x01-0x01 at 0xff80e000
x86bios:  EBDA 0x09d000-0x09 at 0xff09d000
x86bios:   ROM 0x0a-0x0e at 0xff0a
APIC: CPU 0 has ACPI ID 0
APIC: CPU 1 has ACPI ID 1
ULE: setup cpu 0
ULE: setup cpu 1
ACPI: RSDP 0xf7ca0 00024 (v2 TOSCPL)
ACPI: XSDT 0x3f5d7ae1 00074 (v1 TOSCPL TOSCPL00 0604  LTP )
ACPI: FACP 0x3f5dfc60 000F4 (v3 TOSCPL TOSCPL00 0604 PTL  0002)
ACPI: DSDT 0x3f5d8c77 06F75 (v1 TOSCPL TOSCPL00 0604 MSFT 0300)
ACPI: FACS 0x3f5e2fc0 00040
ACPI: TCPA 0x3f5dfd54 00032 (v1 Phoeni  x   0604  TL  )
ACPI: HPET 0x3f5dfd86 00038 (v1 DELL   M09  0604 LOHR 005A)
ACPI: MCFG 0x3f5dfdbe 0003C (v1 INTEL  CRESTLNE 0604 LOHR 005A)
ACPI: SLIC 0x3f5dfdfa 00176 (v1 TOSCPL TOSCPL00 0604 LOHR )
ACPI: APIC 0x3f5dff70 00068 (v1 TOSCPL TOSCPL00 0604  LTP )
ACPI: BOOT 0x3f5dffd8 00028 (v1 TOSCPL TOSCPL00 0604  LTP 0001)
ACPI: SSDT 0x3f5d80d7 0025F (v1  PmRef  Cpu0Tst 3000 INTL 20050624)
ACPI: SSDT 0x3f5d8031 000A6 (v1  PmRef  Cpu1Tst 3000 INTL 20050624)
ACPI: SSDT 0x3f5d7b55 004DC (v2  PmRefCpuPm 3000 INTL 20050624)
MADT: Found IO APIC ID 2, Interrupt 0 at 0xfec0
ioapic0: Routing external 8259A's -> intpin 0
lapic0: Routing NMI -> LINT1
lapic0: LINT1 trigger: edge
lapic0: LINT1 polarity: high
lapic1: Routing NMI -> LINT1
lapic1: LINT1 trigger: edge
lapic1: LINT1 polarity: high
MADT: Interrupt override: source 0, irq 2
ioapic0: Routing IRQ 0 -> intpin 2
MADT: Interrupt override: source 9, irq 9
ioapic0: intpin 9 trigger: level
ioapic0  irqs 0-23 on motherboard
cpu0 BSP:
 ID: 0x   VER: 0x00050014 LDR: 0x DFR: 0x
  lint0: 0x00010700 lint1: 0x0400 TPR: 0x SVR: 0x01ff
  timer: 0x000100ef therm: 0x0200 err: 0x00f0 pmc: 0x00010400
wlan: <802.11 Link Layer>
random: 
nfslock: pseudo-device
kbd: new array size 4
kbd1 at kbdmux0
mem: 
io: 
null: 
hptrr: RocketRAID 17xx/2xxx SATA controller driver v1.2
acpi0:  on motherboard
PCIe: Memory Mapped configuration base @ 0xe000
ioapic0: routing i

Re: searching INDEX in .sh

2010-07-24 Thread b. f.
On 7/25/10, b. f.  wrote:


> the parts of ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk that are used by running `make -C
>  pretty-print-run-depends
> pretty-print-build-depends`.

Sorry, it's actually 'pretty-print-build-depends-list' and
'pretty-print-run-depends-list'.

b.
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Re: searching INDEX in .sh

2010-07-24 Thread b. f.
>I'm looking for a snippet of .sh type shell code that searches the
>/usr/ports/INDEX-8 file for dependents.
>
>Just a pointer to a script in the ports system that has this would be
>helpful

Do you mean that, given port A, you want to find all ports that need
port A in order to be fetched, extracted, patched, built or installed?
 Or do you want to find all ports that are needed to fetch, extract,
patch, build or install port A? If the former, you could look at the
parts of ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk that are used by running `make -C
$PORTSDIR search bdeps=
display=name,path`, and `make -C $PORTSDIR search rdeps=  display=name,path`.  If the latter, look at
the parts of ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk that are used by running `make -C
 pretty-print-run-depends
pretty-print-build-depends`.  Also, parts of the ports-mgmt/portmaster
script used with --index-only may have similar functionality.

And do you mean to only use the INDEX?  Or are you able to use parts
of the port tree?  Or the pkg_info utility?

b.
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What's the meaning of this warn?

2010-07-24 Thread Jason
HI,ALL:

My freebsd server offer service to thousands of clients.
I found lots of warning in the /var/log/message like this :"Approaching
the limit on PV entries, consider increasing either the
vm.pmap.shpgperproc or the vm.pmap.pv_entry_max tunable"

My question is :
1.what is the meaning of PV?
2.Although there are lots of this warning,my server works still well.
Could someone explain the meaning of this warning ?

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Re: popt-1.50 or better??

2010-07-24 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Gary Kline  writes:

> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:06:12PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
>> On 24/07/2010 21:29:43, Gary Kline wrote:
>> > On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:21:12PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
>> >> Gary Kline  writes:
>> >>
>> >>> hey y'all,
>> >>>
>> >>> there is a program called libots [or ots] that acts to summarize text
>> >>> that i'd like to port to freebsd.  i grabbed the src from scourceforge
>> >>> days ago and found that i need a later version of popt than we have.
>> >>> we've got v 1.14 of popt and the configure script from libots says that
>> >>> 1.5 is required.  i've stumbled around but haven't figured out where to
>> >>> grab the newer version.
>> >>
>> >> 1.14 is the latest version.  1.5 is considerably older.
>> > 
>> > 
>> >how can 1.50 be older than 1.14?

It can't.  But you just modified 1.5 into 1.50, which (given that they
aren't floating-point numbers) is an important difference.  Remember:
there can be more than one '.' in a version string.

>> Ummm... you seem to be in some sort of timewarp there Gary...  The home
>> of the popt project appears to be http://freshmeat.net/projects/popt/,
>> and there the most recent version available is 1.14.  Now, 1.50 would by
>> rights be newer than 1.14, but trouble is, 1.50 doesn't exist yet.
>> Also, you said 1.50 in the Subject of your e-mail, and 1.5 in the body:
>> one of those is probably a typo, and I'm not offering odds on which.
>> 
>> How old is the ots software you're trying to port? If it's from before
>> there was popt >= 1.10 available, then it might be something as simple
>> as a failure to read all the digits in the popt version number, or
>> comparing the numbers alphabetically rather than numerically.  Shouldn't
>> be too hard to debug.
>> 
>>  Cheers,
>> 
>>  Matthew
>
>
> hdere are the last few lines of output from configure, ots-0.5.0:
>
>
> checking for pkg-config... /usr/X11R6/bin/pkg-config
> checking for glib-2.0 >= 2.0 libxml-2.0 >= 2.4.23... yes
> checking OTS_CFLAGS... -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0
> -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2
> -I/usr/local/include
> checking OTS_LIBS... -L/usr/local/lib -lglib-2.0 -lxml2
> checking for poptParseArgvString in -lpopt... no
> configure: error: popt 1.5 or newer is required to build ots.
> You can download the latest version from
> ftp://ftp.rpm.org/pub/rpm/dist/rpm-4.1.x/
> p2 15:33  [5784]
>
> what am i missing?

Version strings aren't decimal numbers.
Most projects use each field as a separate integer.

1.1
1.2
1.3
1.4
1.5
1.6
1.7
1.8
1.9
1.10
1.11
1.12
1.13
1.14
1.15
.
.
.
1.49
1.50
1.51
.
.
.




So: 
14 is bigger than 5.
the version of popt in ports is the latest.  
Really.  
Trust Josh Paetzel; he's on top of things.
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searching INDEX in .sh

2010-07-24 Thread Aiza
I'm looking for a snippet of .sh type shell code that searches the 
/usr/ports/INDEX-8 file for dependents.


Just a pointer to a script in the ports system that has this would be 
helpful.


Thanks
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Re: TexLive on FreeBSD 8.1

2010-07-24 Thread Anh Ky Huynh
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:51:55 +
Antonio Olivares  wrote:

> Sorry to ask about this since this has been beaten to death many
> times, but I *wonder* why FreeBSD does not have TeXLive as default
> tex installation?

As TeXLive 2009 doesn't have binaries for FreeBSD ;) You can try TeXLive 2008 
instead.

> [snip]

> Don't want to add insult to injury or offend anyone, I just want to
> see how installing texlive on FreeBSD can be made easier?

I build TeXLive from source code. It isn't easy but it works.

Regards,


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Re: 8.1 is available

2010-07-24 Thread b. f.
On 7/24/10, Fbsd8  wrote:
> b. f. wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 07:38:51PM +0800, Aiza wrote:

>
> What I am wondering is why the release iso have been renamed. The path
> and file name was to long before and now with 8.1 some fool added the
> word Freebsd to it. What on earth for? How many times does the word
> freebsd have to be in the path/name? Wish somebody would supervise the
> worker bees so they don't go changing thing on their own.

That was because a lot of people with a different opinion about this
complained, so that re@ was persuaded to make the change:


>Revision 200775 - (view) (annotate) - [select for diffs]
>>Modified Mon Dec 21 14:42:35 2009 UTC (7 months ago) by kensmith
File length: 45736 byte(s)
>Diff to previous 197313
>
>Add "FreeBSD-" to the beginning of the filenames for the ISO images.
>People who collect ISOs from more than just us have been requesting
>this for a while.
>
>MFC after:  1 week

It seems reasonable to me, even if it does require a few (possibly
annoying) one-time-only adjustments for some people.


b.
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Re: 8.1 is available

2010-07-24 Thread Fbsd8

b. f. wrote:

On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 07:38:51PM +0800, Aiza wrote:


Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list when a
new RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that

RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download.


And if you were wondering why the release iso images were uploaded to
the main project server four days prior to the announcement, the
official reason given was to allow all of the mirrors time to
synchronize with the main server before the announcement, to avoid
lots of inquiries about why the release "isn't available".




What I am wondering is why the release iso have been renamed. The path 
and file name was to long before and now with 8.1 some fool added the 
word Freebsd to it. What on earth for? How many times does the word 
freebsd have to be in the path/name? Wish somebody would supervise the 
worker bees so they don't go changing thing on their own.


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Re: 8.1 is available

2010-07-24 Thread b. f.
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 07:38:51PM +0800, Aiza wrote:

> Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list when a
> new RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that
>
> RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download.

And if you were wondering why the release iso images were uploaded to
the main project server four days prior to the announcement, the
official reason given was to allow all of the mirrors time to
synchronize with the main server before the announcement, to avoid
lots of inquiries about why the release "isn't available".


b.
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Re: popt-1.50 or better??

2010-07-24 Thread b. f.
>here are the last few lines of output from configure, ots-0.5.0:
>
>checking for pkg-config... /usr/X11R6/bin/pkg-config
>checking for glib-2.0 >= 2.0 libxml-2.0 >= 2.4.23... yes
>checking OTS_CFLAGS... -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0
>-I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2
>-I/usr/local/include
>checking OTS_LIBS... -L/usr/local/lib -lglib-2.0 -lxml2
>checking for poptParseArgvString in -lpopt... no
>configure: error: popt 1.5 or newer is required to build ots.
>You can download the latest version from
>ftp://ftp.rpm.org/pub/rpm/dist/rpm-4.1.x/


poptParseArgvString is in the $PREFIX/lib/libpopt.so.0 library from
our devel/popt port. The latest available version of this software is
1.16, in the Red Hat repos.  Look at the configure script to determine
why it can't find the symbol. Maybe you need to reinstall devel/popt,
or patch the configure script.


b.
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Re: 64-bit Windows XP NDIS drivers giving missing symbols

2010-07-24 Thread Gautham Ganapathy
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Jerry  wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:45:24 +
> Paul B Mahol  articulated:
>
>
> > On 7/24/10, Jerry  wrote:
> > > On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:01:24 +
> > > Paul B Mahol  articulated:
> > >
> > >> Such symbols are completly irrelevant for normal operation, because
> > >> NDISulator crash on amd64 during driver initialization.
> > >> I fixed this in my own git repo, but "fpudna in kernel mode" (my
> > >> understanding is that it is source of panic when trying to use ndis0
> > >> device on amd64), present only on amd64 is still not yet fixed - this
> > >> should be addressed with fpu_kern KPI available on CURRENT - not done
> > >> yet...
> > >> Feel free to send patches.
> > >
> > > I feel his pain. I need 64 bit drivers for cards that FBSD does not
> > > support, mostly 'N' protocol wireless cards. The inability to secure
> > > and use perfectly good drivers that are available for Windows users in
> > > FreeBSD is a real PIA. Of course, it does give my Window user friends
> > > something to laugh about.
> >
> > And bwn(4) doesn't work at all?
>
> 
> bwn -- Broadcom BCM43xx IEEE 802.11b/g wireless network driver
> 
>
> You will notice that there is no 'n' in the description. In any case,
> it is limited to 'broadcom' chips.
>
> --
> Jerry ✌
> freebsd.u...@seibercom.net
>

Nope, bwn did not work. The man page mentioned a port that also had to be
installed. It had two modules, which I put in loader.conf one at a time
along with if_bwn.ko, but still no luck.

The card I have has a Broadcom 4353 chipset.  I think it is b/g/n.

Regards
Gautham
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Re: popt-1.50 or better??

2010-07-24 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:06:12PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 24/07/2010 21:29:43, Gary Kline wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:21:12PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
> >> Gary Kline  writes:
> >>
> >>> hey y'all,
> >>>
> >>> there is a program called libots [or ots] that acts to summarize text
> >>> that i'd like to port to freebsd.  i grabbed the src from scourceforge
> >>> days ago and found that i need a later version of popt than we have.
> >>> we've got v 1.14 of popt and the configure script from libots says that
> >>> 1.5 is required.  i've stumbled around but haven't figured out where to
> >>> grab the newer version.
> >>
> >> 1.14 is the latest version.  1.5 is considerably older.
> > 
> > 
> > how can 1.50 be older than 1.14?
> 
> Ummm... you seem to be in some sort of timewarp there Gary...  The home
> of the popt project appears to be http://freshmeat.net/projects/popt/,
> and there the most recent version available is 1.14.  Now, 1.50 would by
> rights be newer than 1.14, but trouble is, 1.50 doesn't exist yet.
> Also, you said 1.50 in the Subject of your e-mail, and 1.5 in the body:
> one of those is probably a typo, and I'm not offering odds on which.
> 
> How old is the ots software you're trying to port? If it's from before
> there was popt >= 1.10 available, then it might be something as simple
> as a failure to read all the digits in the popt version number, or
> comparing the numbers alphabetically rather than numerically.  Shouldn't
> be too hard to debug.
> 
>   Cheers,
> 
>   Matthew


hdere are the last few lines of output from configure, ots-0.5.0:


checking for pkg-config... /usr/X11R6/bin/pkg-config
checking for glib-2.0 >= 2.0 libxml-2.0 >= 2.4.23... yes
checking OTS_CFLAGS... -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2
-I/usr/local/include
checking OTS_LIBS... -L/usr/local/lib -lglib-2.0 -lxml2
checking for poptParseArgvString in -lpopt... no
configure: error: popt 1.5 or newer is required to build ots.
You can download the latest version from
ftp://ftp.rpm.org/pub/rpm/dist/rpm-4.1.x/
p2 15:33  [5784]

what am i missing?

gary


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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:05:14AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
> 
> I'm reminded that the SATAN network scanner project used to ship a  
> utility with the source code that would patch it to rename it  
> "SANTA".  I suppose someone could fork a new BSD distribution with an  
> angel for a logo, to mollify these sorts of people.  Call it  
> BlessedBSD (BleSseD?) or something. ;)

By the way . . . while I think a BelssedBSD fork is a ridiculous idea,
the name "BlessedBSD" is *brilliant*.  Pronouncing it aloud makes the
high-quality pun buried in the name more obvious, for those who didn't
quite catch it on the first read-through.

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 02:59:25PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> 
> In ancient lore there was a bunch friendly characters who hung
> around out of sight and waited for a being - human being mostly -
> to need help.  One of those creatures would slip in and somewhat
> mysteriously do little things to help - not necessarily fix the
> whole problem, but place something in the human's way that can help
> them solve the problem.  These merry creatures were called daemons
> - pronounced  day-mohn.   I guess they are sort of like friendly 
> sprites of elves.

Actually, "daemon" is a Latinization of the Greek "daimon".  Daimon is
pronounced something more like "die-mahn", but (being from the Latin)
daemon is prounounced "dee-mohn".  Unix tradition holds that "daemon" is
pronounced similarly to the Latin fashion (in practice, roughly like
"dee-muhn" by English speakers).

> 
> This has come up on this list a hundred times.   Far better to educate
> those who are poorly informed than to roll over to prejudice and
> misinformation.

I agree.  Good work.

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Re: TexLive on FreeBSD 8.1

2010-07-24 Thread Frank Staals

On 07/24/10 22:29, Antonio Olivares wrote:

Thank you Roland, I will download 8.1 Release and attempt it.  Thanks
your for your advice and for the howto :)

Regards,

Antonio
   

Take a look at ports-mgmt/portshaker-config :)

Portshaker is basically a tool which allows you to merge multiple 
ports-trees into one. With portshaker-config you can enable the texlive 
part of the portstree. Allthough it mentions it is still experimental I 
have been using this setup for quite some time now and did not encounter 
any problems, allthough portupgrade had some problems updating 
everything correctly from texlive2008 to 2009.


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RE: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Graeme Dargie



To all who replied to this, I just have to say I have not laugh so hard
in ages.

Regards 

Graeme

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread David Brodbeck


On Jul 24, 2010, at 7:33 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote:

I am not a religious man myself, but if the logo had any religious
meaning to me I am sure I could better understand Victor's issues.
Seems silly, but if it was the other way around I'm sure _many_ people
here would probably concur in the discomfort of using an OS who's logo
was some sort of religion symbol, say a Christian Cross, Egyptian
Ankh, David Star, Muslim Moon, or a Satanic Encircled Five Point Star.


Well, to me it's about intent.

I doubt the FreeBSD logo was picked with the intent of sticking a  
thumb in the eye of anyone religious.  I also think it's pretty clear  
it wasn't picked by someone who identified with Satanism.


On the other hand, if someone uses a Jesus Fish or a cross as a logo,  
they're usually trying to make a political point.  *That* would make  
me uncomfortable -- not the symbol itself, but the sentiment I knew  
was behind it.


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Re: popt-1.50 or better??

2010-07-24 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 24/07/2010 21:29:43, Gary Kline wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:21:12PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
>> Gary Kline  writes:
>>
>>> hey y'all,
>>>
>>> there is a program called libots [or ots] that acts to summarize text
>>> that i'd like to port to freebsd.  i grabbed the src from scourceforge
>>> days ago and found that i need a later version of popt than we have.
>>> we've got v 1.14 of popt and the configure script from libots says that
>>> 1.5 is required.  i've stumbled around but haven't figured out where to
>>> grab the newer version.
>>
>> 1.14 is the latest version.  1.5 is considerably older.
> 
> 
>   how can 1.50 be older than 1.14?

Ummm... you seem to be in some sort of timewarp there Gary...  The home
of the popt project appears to be http://freshmeat.net/projects/popt/,
and there the most recent version available is 1.14.  Now, 1.50 would by
rights be newer than 1.14, but trouble is, 1.50 doesn't exist yet.
Also, you said 1.50 in the Subject of your e-mail, and 1.5 in the body:
one of those is probably a typo, and I'm not offering odds on which.

How old is the ots software you're trying to port? If it's from before
there was popt >= 1.10 available, then it might be something as simple
as a failure to read all the digits in the popt version number, or
comparing the numbers alphabetically rather than numerically.  Shouldn't
be too hard to debug.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:46:34AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
> Quoth David Brodbeck on Saturday, 24 July 2010:
> > On Jul 23, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > >It's a cartoon character.  It's not an attempt to lure your children  
> > >to
> > >join Satan's armies.  There's no reason to be "deterred" from giving
> > >FreeBSD a try just because of a friendly cartoon character.
> > 
> > I'm reminded of when some Christian groups called for a boycott of  
> > Apple because they had an OS project code-named "Darwin."  Some people  
> > will just go out of their way to look for reasons to take offense.
> > 
> > I'm reminded that the SATAN network scanner project used to ship a  
> > utility with the source code that would patch it to rename it  
> > "SANTA".  I suppose someone could fork a new BSD distribution with an  
> > angel for a logo, to mollify these sorts of people.  Call it  
> > BlessedBSD (BleSseD?) or something. ;)
> > 
> That would probably make a lot of Christian BSD users happy.
> 
> Personally, I like the devilish association, however indirect it may be.
> FreeBSD is somewhat counter-cultural and anti-authoritarian, after all.
> 
> The whole notion of the Christian heaven seems remarkably close to
> Microsoft's vision of software: everyone will exist together in this
> eternal utopian sameness, and they'll like it.
> 
> Give me my daemons, my lake of fire, and some people who aren't too good
> to know what they want and don't want-- we'll have a party.
> 


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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 01:45:47PM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:05:14 -0700, David Brodbeck  wrote:
> > I'm reminded of when some Christian groups called for a boycott of  
> > Apple because they had an OS project code-named "Darwin."  Some people  
> > will just go out of their way to look for reasons to take offense.


I guess ao!  I mean, who has anything against Ralph Darwin?
He was the absolute nicest fellow ever born ...  {Foxy wife, too.]


> 
> I'm reminded to a specific "Computer Stupidity", and please
> forgive me that I quote it here:
> 
>   Tech Support: "All right...now double-click on the
>   File Manager icon."
>   Customer: "That's why I hate this Windows -- because of
>   the icons -- I'm a Protestant, and I don't
>   believe in icons."
>   Tech Support: "Well, that's just an industry term sir.
>   I don't believe it was meant to --"
>   Customer: "I don't care about any 'Industry Terms'.
>   I don't believe in icons."
>   Tech Support: "Well...why don't you click on the
>   'little picture' of a file cabinet...is
>   'little picture' ok?"
>   Customer: [click]
> 
> http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_icons.shtml
> 
> 
> Sorry. :-)
> 


I would sigh, but i'm all sighed out right now 


> 
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 09:21:48AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 24/07/2010 08:38:24, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> > Victor Skovorodnikov said the following on 2010-07-24 04:01:
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> This may sound strange but I have a question about logo.  Why such a
> >> logo for BSD?  What is the
> >> meaning of that logo?
> >>
> >> I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get
> >> deterred by its un-Christian
> >> logo.
> > 
> > Grow up your silly sod!
> 
> No, no.  I'm afraid the game is up, chaps.  Such perspicacious
> observation!  Such penetrating insight!  How could we have dreamed that
> anyone would uncover our daemonic plot to make the world a better place
> through superior software by simply examining our logo?
> 
> My friends, I fear that there is going to be a lot of holy water
> sprinkled in data centres over the coming months.  There will be much
> weeping and wailing and a darkness shall spread over the face of the
> net; lightnings and thunders and unwholesome smokes shall assault those
> holy warriors attempting to drive out the daemonically possessed (Hint:
> turn off the power *before* applying the Holy Water.)
> 

[[ ... ]]

Suggest that Victor not do much more 'thinking'; his head may
explode ... .


gary


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Re: popt-1.50 or better??

2010-07-24 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:21:12PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
> Gary Kline  writes:
> 
> > hey y'all,
> >
> > there is a program called libots [or ots] that acts to summarize text
> > that i'd like to port to freebsd.  i grabbed the src from scourceforge
> > days ago and found that i need a later version of popt than we have.
> > we've got v 1.14 of popt and the configure script from libots says that
> > 1.5 is required.  i've stumbled around but haven't figured out where to
> > grab the newer version.
> 
> 1.14 is the latest version.  1.5 is considerably older.


how can 1.50 be older than 1.14?



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Re: TexLive on FreeBSD 8.1

2010-07-24 Thread Antonio Olivares
Thank you Roland, I will download 8.1 Release and attempt it.  Thanks
your for your advice and for the howto :)

Regards,

Antonio

On 7/24/10, Roland Smith  wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 07:51:55PM +, Antonio Olivares wrote:
>> Dear folks,
>>
>> Sorry to ask about this since this has been beaten to death many
>> times, but I *wonder* why FreeBSD does not have TeXLive as default tex
>> installation?
>
> TeXLive has a _huge_ list of options, and its own configuration/install
> script. I guess that makes it hard to port.
>
>> Is there a foolproof/idiotproof way of installing TeXLive, even from
>> source, that does not require one to have tetex?
>
> I've documented my install (including building the binaries from source) at
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/unix/misc.xhtml#updatingtexlivetoversion2009
>
> I've been using TeXLive on FreeBSD for years without problems.
>
> There are some ports (e.g. auctex for emacs) that require TeX. For those
> ports, I  patch their Makefiles to use TeXLive. Below is the patch for
> auctex's port Makefile;
>
> - auctex port patch -
> --- Makefile.orig 2009-07-31 15:55:10.0 +0200
> +++ Makefile  2009-12-21 16:06:05.0 +0100
> @@ -16,8 +16,8 @@
>  MAINTAINER=  h...@freebsd.org
>  COMMENT= Integrated environment for writing LaTeX using GNU Emacs
>
> -BUILD_DEPENDS=   ${MKTEXLSR}:${PORTSDIR}/print/teTeX-base
> -RUN_DEPENDS= ${MKTEXLSR}:${PORTSDIR}/print/teTeX-base
> +#BUILD_DEPENDS=  ${MKTEXLSR}:${PORTSDIR}/print/teTeX-base
> +#RUN_DEPENDS=${MKTEXLSR}:${PORTSDIR}/print/teTeX-base
>
>  USE_GHOSTSCRIPT=yes
>  GNU_CONFIGURE=   yes
> @@ -38,8 +38,8 @@
>   MKTEXLSR=${MKTEXLSR}
>  INFO=auctex preview-latex
>
> -TEXMFDIR=share/texmf
> -MKTEXLSR=${LOCALBASE}/bin/mktexlsr
> +TEXMFDIR=texlive/2009/texmf
> +MKTEXLSR=${LOCALBASE}/texlive/2009/bin/amd64-freebsd/mktexlsr
>
>  NOT_FOR_ARCHS=   ia64
>
> - auctex port patch -
>
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Re: TexLive on FreeBSD 8.1

2010-07-24 Thread Roland Smith
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 07:51:55PM +, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> Dear folks,
> 
> Sorry to ask about this since this has been beaten to death many
> times, but I *wonder* why FreeBSD does not have TeXLive as default tex
> installation?

TeXLive has a _huge_ list of options, and its own configuration/install
script. I guess that makes it hard to port. 

> Is there a foolproof/idiotproof way of installing TeXLive, even from
> source, that does not require one to have tetex?

I've documented my install (including building the binaries from source) at
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/unix/misc.xhtml#updatingtexlivetoversion2009

I've been using TeXLive on FreeBSD for years without problems.

There are some ports (e.g. auctex for emacs) that require TeX. For those
ports, I  patch their Makefiles to use TeXLive. Below is the patch for
auctex's port Makefile;

- auctex port patch -
--- Makefile.orig   2009-07-31 15:55:10.0 +0200
+++ Makefile2009-12-21 16:06:05.0 +0100
@@ -16,8 +16,8 @@
 MAINTAINER=h...@freebsd.org
 COMMENT=   Integrated environment for writing LaTeX using GNU Emacs
 
-BUILD_DEPENDS= ${MKTEXLSR}:${PORTSDIR}/print/teTeX-base
-RUN_DEPENDS=   ${MKTEXLSR}:${PORTSDIR}/print/teTeX-base
+#BUILD_DEPENDS=${MKTEXLSR}:${PORTSDIR}/print/teTeX-base
+#RUN_DEPENDS=  ${MKTEXLSR}:${PORTSDIR}/print/teTeX-base
 
 USE_GHOSTSCRIPT=yes
 GNU_CONFIGURE= yes
@@ -38,8 +38,8 @@
MKTEXLSR=${MKTEXLSR}
 INFO=  auctex preview-latex
 
-TEXMFDIR=  share/texmf
-MKTEXLSR=  ${LOCALBASE}/bin/mktexlsr
+TEXMFDIR=  texlive/2009/texmf
+MKTEXLSR=  ${LOCALBASE}/texlive/2009/bin/amd64-freebsd/mktexlsr
 
 NOT_FOR_ARCHS= ia64
 
- auctex port patch -

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TexLive on FreeBSD 8.1

2010-07-24 Thread Antonio Olivares
Dear folks,

Sorry to ask about this since this has been beaten to death many
times, but I *wonder* why FreeBSD does not have TeXLive as default tex
installation?

I look at a Linux project that is very similar to FreeBSD, Slackware
and they at least explain why it is not included as default and
include tetex 3.0 which is no longer developed.  One can build a tetex
package for slackware easily through slackbuilds.org.  No problem
there.  On FreeBSD, there are several attempts to address this issue:

http://tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2009-November/023783.html

http://code.google.com/p/freebsd-texlive/

I have tried Romain's repository, followed the instructions on FreeBSD
8.0 AMD 64, but did not get anywhere, the default tetex(installed by
ports) was the only one that worked.  I did not try the other binaries
on second link provided.

Is there a foolproof/idiotproof way of installing TeXLive, even from
source, that does not require one to have tetex?

I see NetBSD or OpenBSD has TeXLive as a port in their ports, why
hasn't FreeBSD followed them?
I can see why others[Linux/BSD distributors] have licensing issues,
but FreeBSD is not like that at least from what I know.

I broke my 8.0 installation, and want to install 8.1 but want to see
how it would be easier to install texlive or just be happy with tetex
and move on till FreeBSD developers include texlive by default?

Don't want to add insult to injury or offend anyone, I just want to
see how installing texlive on FreeBSD can be made easier?

Regards,

Antonio
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Re: 64-bit Windows XP NDIS drivers giving missing symbols

2010-07-24 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:45:24 +
Paul B Mahol  articulated:


> On 7/24/10, Jerry  wrote:
> > On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:01:24 +
> > Paul B Mahol  articulated:
> >
> >> Such symbols are completly irrelevant for normal operation, because
> >> NDISulator crash on amd64 during driver initialization.
> >> I fixed this in my own git repo, but "fpudna in kernel mode" (my
> >> understanding is that it is source of panic when trying to use ndis0
> >> device on amd64), present only on amd64 is still not yet fixed - this
> >> should be addressed with fpu_kern KPI available on CURRENT - not done
> >> yet...
> >> Feel free to send patches.
> >
> > I feel his pain. I need 64 bit drivers for cards that FBSD does not
> > support, mostly 'N' protocol wireless cards. The inability to secure
> > and use perfectly good drivers that are available for Windows users in
> > FreeBSD is a real PIA. Of course, it does give my Window user friends
> > something to laugh about.
> 
> And bwn(4) doesn't work at all?


bwn -- Broadcom BCM43xx IEEE 802.11b/g wireless network driver


You will notice that there is no 'n' in the description. In any case,
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Re: 8.1 is available

2010-07-24 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 07:38:51PM +0800, Aiza wrote:

> Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list when a 
> new RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that
> 
> RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download.

Funny, I received an official announcement fromthe RELEASE team.
Maybe you are just not properly subscribed to the FreeBSD-Announce
list.

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 06:01:07AM +0400, Victor Skovorodnikov wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> This may sound strange but I have a question about logo.  Why such a 
> logo for BSD?  What is the 
> meaning of that logo?

Do you really mean the logo kind of a round ball with points?
Or do you mean the mascott - the little guy with sneakers and 
a trident?   Probably the latter.

It has little to do with religion.   
It has to do with the UNIX concept of helper programs what hang
around in the OS and take care of tasks.  Some of these are sshd
that answers remote ssh requests or lpd that handles printer requests.
There are lots of them.   UNIX most basic concept really is that 
each utility or program has a specific task and does it when needed
and then goes on to wait for the next one.  In general, the OS is
mostly made up of a bunch of these utilities just waiting to go to 
work, plus a kind of management program that is the kernel.

In ancient lore there was a bunch friendly characters who hung
around out of sight and waited for a being - human being mostly -
to need help.  One of those creatures would slip in and somewhat
mysteriously do little things to help - not necessarily fix the
whole problem, but place something in the human's way that can help
them solve the problem.  These merry creatures were called daemons
- pronounced  day-mohn.   I guess they are sort of like friendly 
sprites of elves.

As with any myth, the myth of daemons points to some truth beyond
the mere physical aspect of the stories and images.   In this case,
somehow in life, ideas and successes come that we cannot completely
explain by what we knew before.  This is playfully represented by
helpful daemons taking care of things behind the scene.

Some people amused themselves by coming up with images that graphically
represented the UNIX concept of an OS.  Kirk McKusick, one of the early 
and continuing,BSD developers, came up with a sketch of a little creature 
that lightly dashed around (thus the sneakers) and used its special tools 
(represented by the trident) to make the good things of the OS happen - with 
almost all of the work being done behind the scenes.   I don't know how the
pointy tail got added.  Maybe it just filled out the caricature.

> 
> I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get 
> deterred by its un-Christian logo.

Again, it is not religious.   People who get weighed down by that thought
are usually not well informed about either ancient history or early
Christian imagery.

Actually I have used the FreeBSD mascot image in church, where I am very 
active.  The uses have been mostly in stuff from the office that had the 
Powered by FreeBSD tag.  No one even noticed.
> 
> Have you considered changing it to something else?  Doesn't have to be 
> an angel, but perhaps 
> something neutral ;-) ?

This has come up on this list a hundred times.   Far better to educate
those who are poorly informed than to roll over to prejudice and
misinformation.

jerry

> 
> Thanks,
> Victor.
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Re: 64-bit Windows XP NDIS drivers giving missing symbols

2010-07-24 Thread Paul B Mahol
On 7/24/10, Jerry  wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:01:24 +
> Paul B Mahol  articulated:
>
>> Such symbols are completly irrelevant for normal operation, because
>> NDISulator crash on amd64 during driver initialization.
>> I fixed this in my own git repo, but "fpudna in kernel mode" (my
>> understanding is that it is source of panic when trying to use ndis0
>> device on amd64), present only on amd64 is still not yet fixed - this
>> should be addressed with fpu_kern KPI available on CURRENT - not done
>> yet...
>> Feel free to send patches.
>
> I feel his pain. I need 64 bit drivers for cards that FBSD does not
> support, mostly 'N' protocol wireless cards. The inability to secure
> and use perfectly good drivers that are available for Windows users in
> FreeBSD is a real PIA. Of course, it does give my Window user friends
> something to laugh about.

And bwn(4) doesn't work at all?
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Frank Shute on Saturday, 24 July 2010:
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 09:21:48AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> >
> > On 24/07/2010 08:38:24, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> > > Victor Skovorodnikov said the following on 2010-07-24 04:01:
> > >> Hi!
> > >>
> > >> This may sound strange but I have a question about logo.  Why such a
> > >> logo for BSD?  What is the
> > >> meaning of that logo?
> > >>
> > >> I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get
> > >> deterred by its un-Christian
> > >> logo.
> > > 
> > > Grow up your silly sod!
> > 
> > No, no.  I'm afraid the game is up, chaps.  Such perspicacious
> > observation!  Such penetrating insight!  How could we have dreamed that
> > anyone would uncover our daemonic plot to make the world a better place
> > through superior software by simply examining our logo?
> > 
> > My friends, I fear that there is going to be a lot of holy water
> > sprinkled in data centres over the coming months.  There will be much
> > weeping and wailing and a darkness shall spread over the face of the
> > net; lightnings and thunders and unwholesome smokes shall assault those
> > holy warriors attempting to drive out the daemonically possessed (Hint:
> > turn off the power *before* applying the Holy Water.)
> 
> You stick to your holy water, I'll stick to defenestrating virgins,
> sacrificing goats and chanting the Lord's prayer backwards whilst
> dancing naked in a pentagram. 
> 

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Andres Perera
2010/7/24 Alejandro Imass :
> FBSD's logo a cute cartoon character that can indeed be thought of
> representing a Daemon and I am sure that there was no bad (satanic)
> intention in the usage of the "little red devil". It's just a funny
> little character, but again it would make me really uncomfortable if
> it was a religious symbol of any kind, even if was a cartoon. Many
> would probably argue that a devil is in fact a religious symbol, so
> honestly I am left with doubt on the issue. Again, I am not religious
> except for the fact I am religious against _fanatical_ religion and/or
> any extremism of _any_ sort.
>
> In the end, I personally ___love___ the logo and I would ___never___
> like to see it changed!!!
>

Interesting, because judging from the latest logo overhaul it seems that
the team is moving away from their former image at a fast pace, whether
it be because of the cartoony appearance or religious undertones.

Andres
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth David Brodbeck on Saturday, 24 July 2010:
> On Jul 23, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> >It's a cartoon character.  It's not an attempt to lure your children  
> >to
> >join Satan's armies.  There's no reason to be "deterred" from giving
> >FreeBSD a try just because of a friendly cartoon character.
> 
> I'm reminded of when some Christian groups called for a boycott of  
> Apple because they had an OS project code-named "Darwin."  Some people  
> will just go out of their way to look for reasons to take offense.
> 
> I'm reminded that the SATAN network scanner project used to ship a  
> utility with the source code that would patch it to rename it  
> "SANTA".  I suppose someone could fork a new BSD distribution with an  
> angel for a logo, to mollify these sorts of people.  Call it  
> BlessedBSD (BleSseD?) or something. ;)
> 
That would probably make a lot of Christian BSD users happy.

Personally, I like the devilish association, however indirect it may be.
FreeBSD is somewhat counter-cultural and anti-authoritarian, after all.

The whole notion of the Christian heaven seems remarkably close to
Microsoft's vision of software: everyone will exist together in this
eternal utopian sameness, and they'll like it.

Give me my daemons, my lake of fire, and some people who aren't too good
to know what they want and don't want-- we'll have a party.

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Re: Automake installed

2010-07-24 Thread ill...@gmail.com
On 24 July 2010 12:19, Jos Chrispijn  wrote:
> Just had a quick look in my installed ports and found out that I have
> multiple versions of automake installed:
>
> automake-1.10.1: ok
> automake-1.4.6_5: ok
> automake-1.5_5,1: ok
> automake-1.9.6_3: ok
> automake-wrapper-20071109: ok
>
> Is this common or should I get rid of all automake-1.9.x versions? How could
> I do such best?

Would not worry about it.  On about any machine
faster than a pII they take very little time to build,
so it wouldn't matter the other way either.


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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Chad Perrin on Saturday, 24 July 2010:
> Disclaimer:
> 
> I do not represent the FreeBSD project in any way, shape, or form.  I am
> certain any such people would be much nicer and more polite about this
> than me.  I'm sure I would be much nicer and more polite about it if I
> became a representative of the FreeBSD project at some point in the
> future.  Because I am not officially affiliated with the project at all,
> though, I feel free to be brutally honest.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 06:01:07AM +0400, Victor Skovorodnikov wrote:
> > 
> > This may sound strange but I have a question about logo.  Why such a
> > logo for BSD?  What is the meaning of that logo?
> 
> It's a reference to "daemons", a type of software that runs in the
> background "listening" for connections.  The term "daemon" has ancient
> roots in Greek mythology and has nothing to do with more recent Christian
> notions of "demons".  In short, mythological "daemons" are basically just
> supernatural beings of lower power and stature than the pantheon of Greek
> gods, and computer "daemons" are helpful programs.
> 
> 
> > 
> > I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get
> > deterred by its un-Christian logo.
> 
> Good grief.  Are you referring to the cartoon character?
> 
> It's a cartoon character.  It's not an attempt to lure your children to
> join Satan's armies.  There's no reason to be "deterred" from giving
> FreeBSD a try just because of a friendly cartoon character.
> 
> People who value their wool socks should not be deterred from using MS
> products because of the stupid moth mascot used by MSN, and those who
> dislike arctic climates shouldn't be deterred from using Linux-based
> systems because Linux uses a penguin as its mascot.  By the same token,
> the notion that a red cartoon character with horns should deter a
> Christian from using FreeBSD is kind of silly.
> 
> I was a member of a military unit known as the Red Devils years ago.  I
> did not feel like I was being corrupted by Evil.  Perhaps you would be
> deterred from being my friend because of this, nonetheless.  If that is
> the case, though, I think I'm better off without you.
> 
> While I normally prefer to take an inclusive approach to dealing with
> people who run into obstacles in their approach to thinking about OSes,
> there are cases where I simply feel the urge to throw my hands in the air
> and giving up on someone.  Such cases are those where it seems likely
> that some kind of closed-minded idolatry (which is exactly what this is:
> taking a cartoony mascot as some kind of Manifest Presence of a
> supernatural, superhuman Force, Principle, or Being) is going on.  Either
> you will get over it, or you will not, and it is only a very faint hope
> that pointing out the ludicrousness of your objection that compels me to
> respond at all.
> 
> If you're talking about the weird sex toy thing that has become the
> new(er) official FreeBSD logo, however, it seems the FreeBSD project
> simply can't please some people.  I'm pretty sure that was made so
> ambiguous and largely meaningless specifically because of fear of
> negative reactions from those who cannot imagine going through life
> without being offended -- and it still isn't working, if that's the
> reason for your complaint.
> 
> It may be "un-Christian", but if so it's "un-Christian" like a penguin or
> a moth is "un-Christian", and not like a burning cross would be (and I'd
> call that "anti-Christian" instead, anyway).
> 
> 
> > 
> > Have you considered changing it to something else?  Doesn't have to be
> > an angel, but perhaps something neutral ;-) ?
> 
> I hope the logo doesn't change because of silly requests from those who
> cannot have religious beliefs without also being reasonable human beings.
> 
> This whole thing reminds me of a conversation I had in the early '90s
> where someone told me that a Nine Inch Nails song called "God's Money"
> was blasphemous.  Of course, there is no Nine Inch Nails song by that
> name, and the song the person was talking about ("Head Like A Hole")
> doesn't have the words "God's money" in it at all.  The guy had misheard
> something and leaped to an erroneous conclusion without bothering to
> consider the possibility he was just a reactionary idiot.
> 
> Someone's sure to call me intolerant or abrasive as a result of this
> email, but frankly, I don't care.  Guilty as charged: I am not tolerant
> of intolerant, willfully ignorant fundamentalists, regardless of what
> fundamentalism infects them.
> 
> It's not like you couldn't look up the answer to your question about the
> meaning of the cartoon mascot character on the Internet fairly easily
> anyway, assuaging your fears of eternal damnation by choosing the wrong
> OS.  The desire to be outraged appears to be stronger than the desire to
> educate oneself.
> 
> When this is the way someone starts a "discussion" about wanting to use a
> new OS, I tend to believe there is n

Re: why do I require "WPA" in rc.conf even for open networks.

2010-07-24 Thread ill...@gmail.com
On 22 July 2010 22:03, Eitan Adler  wrote:
> For some reason I can not connect to *any* wireless network regardless
> of the connection type unless I have "WPA" in /etc/rc.conf right
> before "DHCP". Why would I require this to connect to open networks?
>
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I use WPA and have no urge to run tests for someone else on this
right now, but are you sure something like

ifconfig_wlan0="ssid ForteanJungle wepmode mixed wepkey 8675309 DHCP"

doesn't work at all these days?

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Re: Automake installed

2010-07-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Jos Chrispijn  wrote:
> Is this common or should I get rid of all automake-1.9.x versions? How could
> I do such best?

There are numerous tools for doing this; e.g.,
pkg_cutleaves and pkg_rmleaves.

This is common because not all ports build with a given automake
version, so the wrapper takes care of selecting the appropiate version.

I would say that it's a waste of time to uninstall these since they take
next to no space, and reinstalling them everytime you build something
seems like a bigger waste in the long run.

Andres
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Cannot from Opera

2010-07-24 Thread Martin Schweizer
Hello 

My system: FreeBSD 8.1 AMD64, KDE 4.4.5, cups-base-1.4.3

I can print from Firefox, OpenOffice and all KDE applications over cups but not 
from Opera:
- opera-10.10.20091120_2
- opera-linuxplugins-10.10.20091120_2

I also checked http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/481/ but with no luck (and 
tried a view other things). If I print from the file menu nothing occurs.

Any ideas?

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Re: Automake installed

2010-07-24 Thread RW
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:19:56 +0200
Jos Chrispijn  wrote:

> Just had a quick look in my installed ports and found out that I have 
> multiple versions of automake installed:
> ...
> Is this common 

yes, it's normal
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Re: popt-1.50 or better??

2010-07-24 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Gary Kline  writes:

> hey y'all,
>
> there is a program called libots [or ots] that acts to summarize text
> that i'd like to port to freebsd.  i grabbed the src from scourceforge
> days ago and found that i need a later version of popt than we have.
> we've got v 1.14 of popt and the configure script from libots says that
> 1.5 is required.  i've stumbled around but haven't figured out where to
> grab the newer version.

1.14 is the latest version.  1.5 is considerably older.
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Re: Port upgrade problem

2010-07-24 Thread Lowell Gilbert
"Petre Bandac"  writes:

> While upgrading port, I have the following problems:
> - some cfg files are overwritten (authdaemon's authmysqlrc)

I can't figure out what port that comes from, so I can't help.

> - some make install options are not kept (maildrop - not compiled against 
> mysql and courier imap - fam is compiled, even though initially was ruled out)

Those aren't set up as OPTIONS, so they won't get stored in
/var/db/ports.  

> The upgrade sequence is:
>
> # portsnap fetch update
> # portmanager -u
>
> Am I doing something wrong?

See "alternative configuration" in the portmanager manual.
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Jos Chrispijn

Victor,

On 24-7-2010 4:01, Victor Skovorodnikov wrote:

Have you considered changing it to something else?  Doesn't have to be an 
angel, but perhaps something neutral ;-) ?

Seeing something in it that isn't there at all or perhaps wanting to see 
something that isn't there at all in fact is true religion.
For me FreeBSD is true religion: bringing people together and speak 
about it is so much better that seeing things in a logo that isn't there 
at all...


best regrets,
jos chrispijn
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Re: 8.1 is available

2010-07-24 Thread Remko Lodder

On Jul 24, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Aiza wrote:

> Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list when a new 
> RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that
> 
> RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download.
> 

Then there must be a reason that the announce@ mailinglist exists., now I 
wonder what is periodically send there, to not overload the many
other mailinglists? :-)

Ofcourse thanks for bringing it to the attention, but do realise that announce 
is the way to go for these kind of things..

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Jos Chrispijn

Victor,

On 24-7-2010 4:01, Victor Skovorodnikov wrote:

Have you considered changing it to something else?  Doesn't have to be an 
angel, but perhaps something neutral ;-) ?
   
Seeing something in it that isn't there at all or perhaps wanting to see 
something that isn't there at all in fact is true religion. For me 
FreeBSD is true religion: bringing people together and speak about it is 
so much better that seeing things in a logo that isn't there at all...


best regrets,
jos chrispijn

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Automake installed

2010-07-24 Thread Jos Chrispijn
Just had a quick look in my installed ports and found out that I have 
multiple versions of automake installed:


automake-1.10.1: ok
automake-1.4.6_5: ok
automake-1.5_5,1: ok
automake-1.9.6_3: ok
automake-wrapper-20071109: ok

Is this common or should I get rid of all automake-1.9.x versions? How 
could I do such best?


thanks
Jos Chrispijn

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Re: Tv-card for freebsd

2010-07-24 Thread Juergen Lock
In article  you 
write:
>On 7/14/10, Bernt Hansson  wrote:
>> Hello list!
>>
>> I'm in the process of buying a tv-card for dvb-t transmissions.
>>
>> Any tips on cards that have a driver for freebsd?
>>
>> Thank you.
>
>
>For a built-in tuner card itself, no recommendations.
>
>For an alternative solution, look at silicondust.com for the HDHomeRun
>boxes.  I've had one for a long time and it is a beautiful device.
>Simply stated, a dual (or more) digital tuner to ethernet bridge.
>
>[...]

Another option may be an usb tuner with webcamd on FreeBSD 8.1;
webcamd is a pretty cool hack by the author of FreeBSD 8's new
usb stack that essentially runs Linux usb v4l/dvb/atsc drivers on
FreeBSD in userspace and is now in ports:

http://www.freshports.org/multimedia/webcamd

I've put together some (hopefully) useful info here:

http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/dvb/

and there I'm also maintaining experimental ports for vdr which
most Linux users I know prefer over mythtv which is already
committed to ports.  But `simpler' apps like mplayer, kaffeine,
vlc, etc can of course also be used if you build the respective
ports with the V4L knobs enabled in their `make config'.  (and
DVBPSI too in case of vlc.)

 HTH,
Juergen
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Re: 8.1 is available

2010-07-24 Thread Ansar Mohammed
I think it's been announced on the front page of freebsd.org. You think I
should wait for somthing more formal?

On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Chris Whitehouse wrote:

> Aiza wrote:
>
>> Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list when a new
>> RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that
>>
>> RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download.
>>
>
> Has it been announced anywhere? Downloads have been available for some
> days. Generally advice from those who know is not to assume it's available
> until the announcement because changes could still be made.
>
> Chris
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Re: 8.1 is available

2010-07-24 Thread Chris Whitehouse

Ansar Mohammed wrote:
I think it's been announced on the front page of freebsd.org 
. You think I should wait for somthing more formal?


You're right it's on the website but didn't come through in my RSS feed
for some reason (which I set up to watch for the announcement :p).

Chris



On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Chris Whitehouse > wrote:


Aiza wrote:

Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list
when a new RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that

RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download.


Has it been announced anywhere? Downloads have been available for
some days. Generally advice from those who know is not to assume
it's available until the announcement because changes could still be
made.

Chris

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Re: 8.1 is available

2010-07-24 Thread Daniel Grant

On 24/07/2010 16:05, Chris Whitehouse wrote:

Aiza wrote:

Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list when a
new RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that

RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download.


Has it been announced anywhere? Downloads have been available for some
days. Generally advice from those who know is not to assume it's
available until the announcement because changes could still be made.

Chris
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It was anounced 16 hours ago on freebsd-annou...@freebsd.org

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2010-July/001338.html
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Re: 8.1 is available

2010-07-24 Thread Chris Whitehouse

Aiza wrote:
Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list when a 
new RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that


RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download.


Has it been announced anywhere? Downloads have been available for some 
days. Generally advice from those who know is not to assume it's 
available until the announcement because changes could still be made.


Chris
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Alejandro Imass
2010/7/23 Victor Skovorodnikov :
> Hi!
>
> This may sound strange but I have a question about logo.  Why such a logo for 
> BSD?  What is the
> meaning of that logo?
>

Strange in deed, it sounds. At first I really thought it was funny,
but after consulting the infinite wisdom of my wife (actually I read
it to her making fun of it), she immediately said "well if the logo
was a priest I am sure it would make _you_ uncomfortable as well...".
Which, of course, immediately wiped off the smile from my face, and
suddenly the issue at hand was not so funny.

> I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get 
> deterred by its un-Christian
> logo.

I am not a religious man myself, but if the logo had any religious
meaning to me I am sure I could better understand Victor's issues.
Seems silly, but if it was the other way around I'm sure _many_ people
here would probably concur in the discomfort of using an OS who's logo
was some sort of religion symbol, say a Christian Cross, Egyptian
Ankh, David Star, Muslim Moon, or a Satanic Encircled Five Point Star.

>
> Have you considered changing it to something else?  Doesn't have to be an 
> angel, but perhaps
> something neutral ;-) ?
>

My conclusion and advice to yo Victor is:

FBSD's logo a cute cartoon character that can indeed be thought of
representing a Daemon and I am sure that there was no bad (satanic)
intention in the usage of the "little red devil". It's just a funny
little character, but again it would make me really uncomfortable if
it was a religious symbol of any kind, even if was a cartoon. Many
would probably argue that a devil is in fact a religious symbol, so
honestly I am left with doubt on the issue. Again, I am not religious
except for the fact I am religious against _fanatical_ religion and/or
any extremism of _any_ sort.

In the end, I personally ___love___ the logo and I would ___never___
like to see it changed!!!

Best,
Alejandro Imass

> Thanks,
> Victor.
>
>
> Я в Моем Мире - http://my.mail.ru/mail/vic_sk/
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28amen.org : trying to portinstall ffmpeg

2010-07-24 Thread John Francis Lee
Hello...

I'm trying to

 sudo portinstall ffmpeg

but I've run into problems with mpfr

 Stop in /ports/math/mpfr. ** Command failed [exit code 1]:
  /usr/binscript -qa /tmp/portinstall20100724-99593-ob933z-0 env make

The freebsd server software at viaverio is old

 FreeBSD 28amen.org 6.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE #6:
  Wed Oct 21 09:32:42 MDT 2009
  r...@fc:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/VKERN  i386

I really need to have ffmpeg available.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

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Re: 64-bit Windows XP NDIS drivers giving missing symbols

2010-07-24 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:01:24 +
Paul B Mahol  articulated:

> Such symbols are completly irrelevant for normal operation, because
> NDISulator crash on amd64 during driver initialization.
> I fixed this in my own git repo, but "fpudna in kernel mode" (my
> understanding is that it is source of panic when trying to use ndis0
> device on amd64), present only on amd64 is still not yet fixed - this
> should be addressed with fpu_kern KPI available on CURRENT - not done
> yet...
> Feel free to send patches.

I feel his pain. I need 64 bit drivers for cards that FBSD does not
support, mostly 'N' protocol wireless cards. The inability to secure
and use perfectly good drivers that are available for Windows users in
FreeBSD is a real PIA. Of course, it does give my Window user friends
something to laugh about.

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Re: 64-bit Windows XP NDIS drivers giving missing symbols

2010-07-24 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Gautham Ganapathy  wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have an Alienware m11x with a Dell 1520 wireless minicard (Broadcom
> BCM4353 chipset). It comes with only Windows 7 drivers, but I was able to
> download Windows XP drivers seperately. However, after I generate the kernel
> module (I am using the 64-bit WinXP driver and freebsd amd64), I get errors
> when I try to load it. It says that the following symbols are missing
>
> ZwQueryInformationFile
> ZwCreateFile
> ZwReadFile
> IoUnregisterPlugPlayNotification
> ExFreePoolWithTag
>
> According to MSDN, these were introduced in Windows 2000.
>
> Is there any way of getting this driver running ?

Such symbols are completly irrelevant for normal operation, because
NDISulator crash on amd64 during driver initialization.
I fixed this in my own git repo, but "fpudna in kernel mode" (my
understanding is that it is source of panic when trying to use ndis0
device on amd64), present only on amd64 is still not yet fixed - this
should be addressed with fpu_kern KPI available on CURRENT - not done
yet...
Feel free to send patches.
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8.1 is available

2010-07-24 Thread Aiza
Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list when a 
new RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that


RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download.
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:05:14 -0700, David Brodbeck  wrote:
> I'm reminded of when some Christian groups called for a boycott of  
> Apple because they had an OS project code-named "Darwin."  Some people  
> will just go out of their way to look for reasons to take offense.

I'm reminded to a specific "Computer Stupidity", and please
forgive me that I quote it here:

Tech Support: "All right...now double-click on the
File Manager icon."
Customer: "That's why I hate this Windows -- because of
the icons -- I'm a Protestant, and I don't
believe in icons."
Tech Support: "Well, that's just an industry term sir.
I don't believe it was meant to --"
Customer: "I don't care about any 'Industry Terms'.
I don't believe in icons."
Tech Support: "Well...why don't you click on the
'little picture' of a file cabinet...is
'little picture' ok?"
Customer: [click]

http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_icons.shtml


Sorry. :-)



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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread b. f.
> >> I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get
> >> deterred by its un-Christian
> >> logo.

It's amazing how exercised people get over a topic like this, like in
that old story:

http://www.milk.com/true-stories/unix_for_the_masses.html

I think it's a pretty dumb logo myself, but a group of people that
offer you free software, and even some help using it -- that doesn't
seem benign to you?  Why don't you talk to some of the other
Christians involved in the project, like those that maintain bible
study software in FreeBSD Ports?

...

> The term "daemon" has ancient
>roots in Greek mythology and has nothing to do with more recent Christian
>notions of "demons".

Well, "nothing to do with" is overstating the case a bit.  There are
some connections, even beyond the etymological, and not all Greeks
thought alike about them.  But we take your point.

...

>I was a member of a military unit known as the Red Devils years ago.  I
>did not feel like I was being corrupted by Evil.

Some people would find this a lot more problematic than wearing a
daemon t-shirt.  ;) Out of curiosity, Is that the one that got its ass
kicked at Pearl Harbor and Wake Island, or the one that got its ass
kicked at Arnhem?  Or just a hardcore bunch of Man U. fans?

...

>You stick to your holy water, I'll stick to defenestrating virgins,

That seems like a waste of a perfectly good virgin.

>sacrificing goats and chanting the Lord's prayer backwards whilst
>dancing naked in a pentagram.
>I find it's the only way to get FreeBSD to work

I knew I was missing something.

b.
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread krad
On 24 July 2010 11:21, Frank Shute  wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 09:21:48AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> >
> > On 24/07/2010 08:38:24, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> > > Victor Skovorodnikov said the following on 2010-07-24 04:01:
> > >> Hi!
> > >>
> > >> This may sound strange but I have a question about logo.  Why such a
> > >> logo for BSD?  What is the
> > >> meaning of that logo?
> > >>
> > >> I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get
> > >> deterred by its un-Christian
> > >> logo.
> > >
> > > Grow up your silly sod!
> >
> > No, no.  I'm afraid the game is up, chaps.  Such perspicacious
> > observation!  Such penetrating insight!  How could we have dreamed that
> > anyone would uncover our daemonic plot to make the world a better place
> > through superior software by simply examining our logo?
> >
> > My friends, I fear that there is going to be a lot of holy water
> > sprinkled in data centres over the coming months.  There will be much
> > weeping and wailing and a darkness shall spread over the face of the
> > net; lightnings and thunders and unwholesome smokes shall assault those
> > holy warriors attempting to drive out the daemonically possessed (Hint:
> > turn off the power *before* applying the Holy Water.)
>
> You stick to your holy water, I'll stick to defenestrating virgins,
> sacrificing goats and chanting the Lord's prayer backwards whilst
> dancing naked in a pentagram.
>
> I find it's the only way to get FreeBSD to workok, I admit it, I
> just like doing it.
>
> >
> >   Cheers,
> >
> >   Matthew
> >
> > Disclaimer: Prophecy not valid where Enlightenment values have largely
> > replaced the Medieval superstition, nor in those countries with a
> > predominantly non-Abrahamic religious heritage.  Terms and conditions
> > may apply.  The value of your investments may go down as well as up.
> >
>
> Regards,
>
> --
>
>  Frank
>
>  Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html
>
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I think its important to point out that was are dealing with a faith and
religion issue here. Therefore all logical reasoning goes out of the window,
and trying to argue with a possible troll becomes futile, and does you a
disservice.
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Frank Shute
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 09:21:48AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
>
> On 24/07/2010 08:38:24, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> > Victor Skovorodnikov said the following on 2010-07-24 04:01:
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> This may sound strange but I have a question about logo.  Why such a
> >> logo for BSD?  What is the
> >> meaning of that logo?
> >>
> >> I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get
> >> deterred by its un-Christian
> >> logo.
> > 
> > Grow up your silly sod!
> 
> No, no.  I'm afraid the game is up, chaps.  Such perspicacious
> observation!  Such penetrating insight!  How could we have dreamed that
> anyone would uncover our daemonic plot to make the world a better place
> through superior software by simply examining our logo?
> 
> My friends, I fear that there is going to be a lot of holy water
> sprinkled in data centres over the coming months.  There will be much
> weeping and wailing and a darkness shall spread over the face of the
> net; lightnings and thunders and unwholesome smokes shall assault those
> holy warriors attempting to drive out the daemonically possessed (Hint:
> turn off the power *before* applying the Holy Water.)

You stick to your holy water, I'll stick to defenestrating virgins,
sacrificing goats and chanting the Lord's prayer backwards whilst
dancing naked in a pentagram. 

I find it's the only way to get FreeBSD to workok, I admit it, I
just like doing it.

> 
>   Cheers,
> 
>   Matthew
> 
> Disclaimer: Prophecy not valid where Enlightenment values have largely
> replaced the Medieval superstition, nor in those countries with a
> predominantly non-Abrahamic religious heritage.  Terms and conditions
> may apply.  The value of your investments may go down as well as up.
> 
 
Regards,

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 24/07/2010 08:38:24, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> Victor Skovorodnikov said the following on 2010-07-24 04:01:
>> Hi!
>>
>> This may sound strange but I have a question about logo.  Why such a
>> logo for BSD?  What is the
>> meaning of that logo?
>>
>> I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get
>> deterred by its un-Christian
>> logo.
> 
> Grow up your silly sod!

No, no.  I'm afraid the game is up, chaps.  Such perspicacious
observation!  Such penetrating insight!  How could we have dreamed that
anyone would uncover our daemonic plot to make the world a better place
through superior software by simply examining our logo?

My friends, I fear that there is going to be a lot of holy water
sprinkled in data centres over the coming months.  There will be much
weeping and wailing and a darkness shall spread over the face of the
net; lightnings and thunders and unwholesome smokes shall assault those
holy warriors attempting to drive out the daemonically possessed (Hint:
turn off the power *before* applying the Holy Water.)

Cheers,

Matthew

Disclaimer: Prophecy not valid where Enlightenment values have largely
replaced the Medieval superstition, nor in those countries with a
predominantly non-Abrahamic religious heritage.  Terms and conditions
may apply.  The value of your investments may go down as well as up.

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Bernt Hansson

Victor Skovorodnikov said the following on 2010-07-24 04:01:

Hi!

This may sound strange but I have a question about logo.  Why such a logo for 
BSD?  What is the
meaning of that logo?

I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get deterred 
by its un-Christian
logo.


Grow up your silly sod!
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread Bernt Hansson

David Brodbeck said the following on 2010-07-24 09:05:


Call it BlessedBSD (BleSseD?) or
something. ;)


BBsd?

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-24 Thread David Brodbeck


On Jul 23, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
It's a cartoon character.  It's not an attempt to lure your children  
to

join Satan's armies.  There's no reason to be "deterred" from giving
FreeBSD a try just because of a friendly cartoon character.


I'm reminded of when some Christian groups called for a boycott of  
Apple because they had an OS project code-named "Darwin."  Some people  
will just go out of their way to look for reasons to take offense.


I'm reminded that the SATAN network scanner project used to ship a  
utility with the source code that would patch it to rename it  
"SANTA".  I suppose someone could fork a new BSD distribution with an  
angel for a logo, to mollify these sorts of people.  Call it  
BlessedBSD (BleSseD?) or something. ;)


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