Re: What is the meaning of this warn?

2010-07-26 Thread Julien Cigar

On 07/26/2010 07:48, Jason wrote:

HI,ALL:


Hello,



My freebsd server offer service to thousands of clients.
I found lots of warning in the /var/log/message like this :Approaching
the limit on PV entries, consider increasing either the
vm.pmap.shpgperproc or the vm.pmap.pv_entry_max tunable



You probably have a lot of processes which use shared memory ..?
Enabling superpages (vm.pmap.pg_ps_enabled=1 in loader.conf) should 
resolve the problem (superpages have been added in 7.2)



My question is :
1.what is the meaning of PV?
2.Although there are lots of this warning,my server works still well.
Could someone explain the meaning of this warning ?
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Re: I donot like using mergemaster ?

2010-07-26 Thread Mike Clarke
On Monday 26 July 2010, zaxis wrote:

 I want to upgrade my freebsd 8.0  to 8.1.  I have read all the steps
 about upgrading freebsd. I feel mergemaster  is difficult to use e.g.
 which parameters should i use ?   (you may wish to use -U or -ai or
 -Fi)

I have the following in /etc/mergemaster.rc instead of having to 
remember the command line options each time:

# Install the new file if it differs only by VCS Id (-F)
FREEBSD_ID=yes
#
# Automatically upgrade files that have not been user modified (-U)
AUTO_UPGRADE=yes
#
# Automatically install files not on the system already (-i)
AUTO_INSTALL=yes
#
# Preserve files that you replace
PRESERVE_FILES=yes
#
# Delete stale files in /etc/rc.d without prompting
DELETE_STALE_RC_FILES=yes
#
# Compare /etc/rc.conf[.local] to /etc/defaults/rc.conf (-C)
COMP_CONFS=yes
#
##
# The following options have no command line overrides
##
#
# Files to always avoid comparing
IGNORE_FILES='/etc/motd /etc/printcap'
#
# Additional options for diff.  This will get unset when using -s.
DIFF_OPTIONS='-Bb' # Ignore changes in whitespace

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:20:31AM -0500, Kevin Monceaux wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:29:37AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
  
  Without downloading a PDF and reading it . . . do you know what Latin
  variant is used in that document?
 
 No, without download and reading the PDF I wouldn't know what Latin
 variant is used in that document.  :-)  Since it was only a 39K file,
 there was no reason for me to worry about downloading it.  

I meant Can you tell me the answer to this question so I don't have to
download it then see if I can figure it out?


 
  Is it classical, church, or scientifically bastardized Latin (for
  instance)?  I'm curious.
 
 Yes, to all of the above.  It has a chart showing a few pronunciations
 including classical which it describes as the reconstructed ancient
 pronunciation.  It even includes an English method which is
 basically pronouncing Latin words as if they were English words.

Okay, thanks.  That answers my question, and makes me want to actually
download the thing.


 
  I know that in at least some contexts the Latin pronunciation is more
  dee than dai for daemon, and that dee is the pronunciation
  generally considered correct for server processes in Unix systems.
  Beyond that, it's entirely possible there are other pronunciations of
  which I am not aware -- though I'm pretty sure day is solely an
  artifact of people trying to figure out how to pronounce terms that
  contain the ae (or the æ ligature) without actually trying to look it up.
 
 The above document describes ae in classical pronunciation as like ai
 in aisle and in all other pronunciations like Latin ē.  It describes
 Latin ē in all pronunciations, except the English method, as like a in
 plate.  Going by the above the first syllable of daemon could be
 pronounced like day.

That's rather contrary to what I had learned (which is, admittedly, not a
whole lot).  I'll give the document a look.  Thanks.

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Tom Worster
On 7/24/10 5:59 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:05:14AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
 
 I'm reminded that the SATAN network scanner project used to ship a
 utility with the source code that would patch it to rename it
 SANTA.  I suppose someone could fork a new BSD distribution with an
 angel for a logo, to mollify these sorts of people.  Call it
 BlessedBSD (BleSseD?) or something. ;)
 
 By the way . . . while I think a BelssedBSD fork is a ridiculous idea,
 the name BlessedBSD is *brilliant*.  Pronouncing it aloud makes the
 high-quality pun buried in the name more obvious, for those who didn't
 quite catch it on the first read-through.

i agree. lovely name. the pagan connection is delectable. http://is.gd/dJRn3


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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Tom Worster
On 7/23/10 10:01 PM, Victor Skovorodnikov vic...@mail.ru wrote:

 I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get
 deterred by its un-Christian logo.

to me, devils, daemons and demons are mythological critters like elves,
pixies and bogey men.


 Have you considered changing it to something else?  Doesn't have to be an
 angel, but perhaps something neutral ;-) ?

everyone is free to interpret the image as the please. there are
alternatives for anyone who, after due study of the horned cartoon
character, concludes that freebsd is blasphemous.


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8.1-RELEASE ia64

2010-07-26 Thread Samuel Martín Moro
Hi

I would like to install FreeBSD-8.1 ia64, so I downloaded
FreeBSD-8.1-RELEASE-ia64-disc1.iso.

When I boot from a burnt CD, the screen keeps black, with the
blinkingunderscore,
nothing else happend.
When I make an USB bootable stick, I've got a message saying that
/boot/loader was not found.

Having a look into /boot, I noticed that indeed, there's no loader anymore.
But there a loader.efi, which wasn't in FreeBSD-7.2-RELEASE (the last I
tried).
I tried copying loader.efi to loader, but as expected, it says me 'invalid
format' and still does not want to boot...

What happened to loader?
Did I download the wrong iso?
Did I miss something?

Also, why other archs have their -memstick.img, and ia64 have not?



Thanks,


Samuel Martín Moro
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Re: 8.1-RELEASE ia64

2010-07-26 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 04:07:27PM +0200, Samuel Martín Moro wrote:
 Hi
 
 I would like to install FreeBSD-8.1 ia64, so I downloaded
 FreeBSD-8.1-RELEASE-ia64-disc1.iso.
 
 When I boot from a burnt CD, the screen keeps black, with the
 blinkingunderscore,
 nothing else happend.
 When I make an USB bootable stick, I've got a message saying that
 /boot/loader was not found.
 
 Having a look into /boot, I noticed that indeed, there's no loader anymore.
 But there a loader.efi, which wasn't in FreeBSD-7.2-RELEASE (the last I
 tried).
 I tried copying loader.efi to loader, but as expected, it says me 'invalid
 format' and still does not want to boot...
 
 What happened to loader?
 Did I download the wrong iso?

probably..

Perhaps you meant amd64?

What's your computer make/model?

 Also, why other archs have their -memstick.img, and ia64 have not?

ia64 wouldn't boot via USB.


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Re: 8.1-RELEASE ia64

2010-07-26 Thread Michael Powell
Samuel Martín Moro wrote:

 Hi
 
 I would like to install FreeBSD-8.1 ia64, so I downloaded
 FreeBSD-8.1-RELEASE-ia64-disc1.iso.
 
 When I boot from a burnt CD, the screen keeps black, with the
 blinkingunderscore,
 nothing else happend.
 When I make an USB bootable stick, I've got a message saying that
 /boot/loader was not found.
 
 Having a look into /boot, I noticed that indeed, there's no loader
 anymore. But there a loader.efi, which wasn't in FreeBSD-7.2-RELEASE (the
 last I tried).
 I tried copying loader.efi to loader, but as expected, it says me 'invalid
 format' and still does not want to boot...

Perfectly normal and to be expected. IA64 utilizes a different boot loader 
paradigm known as EFI. More info on EFI can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface
 
 What happened to loader?
 Did I download the wrong iso?

Probably. The IA64 architecture is a completely different beast than x86. If 
your processor is a Xeon or some other regular Intel desktop type you need 
to use the amd64 iso image. 

 Did I miss something?
 
 Also, why other archs have their -memstick.img, and ia64 have not?
 
Maybe IA64 will not boot from USB because of the EFI boot loader 
requirement. 

-Mike



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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Frank Solensky
 Original message 
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:40:26 -0400
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org (on behalf of Tom Worster 
f...@thefsb.org)
Subject: Re: BSD logo  
To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org

On 7/23/10 10:01 PM, Victor Skovorodnikov vic...@mail.ru wrote:

 I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get
 deterred by its un-Christian logo.

to me, devils, daemons and demons are mythological critters like elves,
pixies and bogey men.

fwiw: the first time I saw the logo it reminded me of the gremlin in the Bugs 
Bunny cartoon Falling Hare (see wikipedia).
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Andy Balholm
David Brodbeck wrote: 
 It also hasn't escaped my notice that the original poster has never come back 
 to this thread; I suspect we've been trolled, folks.

That's possible. It's also possible that, after reading the responses to his 
inquiry, the original poster decided that his question had been adequately 
answered, his concerns were justified, and he should use a different operating 
system. If so, I can hardly blame him, even though I personally feel that 
boycotting BSD because of its mascot doesn't fit very well with the apostle 
Paul's advice to the Corinthian Christians that it was OK for them to buy from 
butchers who sacrifice to daemons (my own translation of δαιμονίοις θύει in 
1 Corinthians 10:20).

The original post looks to me like an expression of sincere concern about BSD's 
image, not an accusation of satanism or an attempt to start an argument. I 
wouldn't call his concern ignorant either: although the UNIX term daemon is 
not satanic in origin, some aspects of Beastie's appearance are obviously 
derived from traditional depictions of the Devil. 

Andy Balholm
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:39:12 -0700
Andy Balholm a...@balholm.com articulated:

 David Brodbeck wrote: 
  It also hasn't escaped my notice that the original poster has never
  come back to this thread; I suspect we've been trolled, folks.  
 
 That's possible. It's also possible that, after reading the responses
 to his inquiry, the original poster decided that his question had
 been adequately answered, his concerns were justified, and he should
 use a different operating system. If so, I can hardly blame him, even
 though I personally feel that boycotting BSD because of its mascot
 doesn't fit very well with the apostle Paul's advice to the
 Corinthian Christians that it was OK for them to buy from butchers
 who sacrifice to daemons (my own translation of δαιμονίοις θύει
 in 1 Corinthians 10:20).
 
 The original post looks to me like an expression of sincere concern
 about BSD's image, not an accusation of satanism or an attempt to
 start an argument. I wouldn't call his concern ignorant either:
 although the UNIX term daemon is not satanic in origin, some
 aspects of Beastie's appearance are obviously derived from
 traditional depictions of the Devil. 

I have always been partial to a passage by a famous American author.

Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the
only animal that has the True Religion — several of them. He is the only
animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his
theology isn’t straight.

Mark Twain

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Reid Linnemann
Suffice it to say, though there are many intuitive comments I think
that ultimately we are beating a dead horse with another dead horse
while standing on a dead horse. The corpses are starting to reek.
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Pegasus Mc Cleaft

  By the way . . . while I think a BelssedBSD fork is a ridiculous idea,
  the name BlessedBSD is *brilliant*.  Pronouncing it aloud makes the
  high-quality pun buried in the name more obvious, for those who didn't
  quite catch it on the first read-through.
 
 i agree. lovely name. the pagan connection is delectable.
 http://is.gd/dJRn3
 
After the install, does it say SoMoteItBSD?
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Hello,

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 17:39, Andy Balholm a...@balholm.com wrote:
 The original post looks to me like an expression of sincere concern about 
 BSD's image

I'd say, if the logo is hard to cope with for some, then they may be
comforted in something of a far more importance than the logo -
FreeBSD bottom line is power to serve - a very Christian concept,
though unfortunately often forgotten. :) Add reliability, openness and
a friendly followers on top of that and you have got a very attractive
package that would be hard to beat.

Warm regards,

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OpenOffice 3.2.1 in FreeBSD 8.1

2010-07-26 Thread Antonio Vieiro

Hi all,

For those trying to test OpenOffice 3.2.1 in FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE (no 
official package yet):


This:
ftp://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/FreeBSD/3.2.1/i386/OOo_3.2.1_FreeBSD81Intel_install_es.tbz

From
ftp://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/FreeBSD/3.2.1/i386/

is working for me.

(I now most of you already knew this, but I didn't!, I'm a FreeBSD newbie!)

Cheers,
Antonio
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Re: OpenOffice 3.2.1 in FreeBSD 8.1

2010-07-26 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Antonio Vieiro on Monday, 26 July 2010:
 Hi all,
 
 For those trying to test OpenOffice 3.2.1 in FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE (no 
 official package yet):
 
 This:
 ftp://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/FreeBSD/3.2.1/i386/OOo_3.2.1_FreeBSD81Intel_install_es.tbz
 
 From
 ftp://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/FreeBSD/3.2.1/i386/
 
 is working for me.
 
 (I now most of you already knew this, but I didn't!, I'm a FreeBSD newbie!)
 
 Cheers,
 Antonio

Umm... what's wrong with the port?  Works okay here (well, as OK as
OpenOffice.org ever is).

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Re: OpenOffice 3.2.1 in FreeBSD 8.1

2010-07-26 Thread Andrew Gould
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Chip Camden
sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote:
 Quoth Antonio Vieiro on Monday, 26 July 2010:
 Hi all,

 For those trying to test OpenOffice 3.2.1 in FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE (no
 official package yet):

 This:
 ftp://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/FreeBSD/3.2.1/i386/OOo_3.2.1_FreeBSD81Intel_install_es.tbz

 From
 ftp://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/FreeBSD/3.2.1/i386/

 is working for me.

 (I now most of you already knew this, but I didn't!, I'm a FreeBSD newbie!)

 Cheers,
 Antonio

 Umm... what's wrong with the port?  Works okay here (well, as OK as
 OpenOffice.org ever is).

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Compiling OpenOffice is not a practical option for many of us due to
hardware restraints.

I'm glad to see that there's a compiled binary somewhere!

Andrew
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Saturday, July 24, 2010 00:24:46 -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com 
wrote:


When this is the way someone starts a discussion about wanting to use a
new OS, I tend to believe there is no genuine interest in using the OS in
question.


When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe there's 
no genuine interest in dialog.  I am therefore left to wonder who really is the 
intolerant one.  One cannot claim to be tolerant while demonstrating 
intolerance any more than one can claim to be educated without every having 
read a book.


It's amazing to me the ridicule heaped upon the man for asking a question. 
Would it have been too difficult to simply answer the question, as the first 
response did?  No, we have to attack the man for having beliefs that are 
different from our own.  Because we're so enlightened?  Or because we are even 
more ignorant than we suppose he is?


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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Adam Vande More
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.comwrote:

 When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe
 there's no genuine interest in dialog.  I am therefore left to wonder who
 really is the intolerant one.  One cannot claim to be tolerant while
 demonstrating intolerance any more than one can claim to be educated without
 every having read a book.

 It's amazing to me the ridicule heaped upon the man for asking a question.
 Would it have been too difficult to simply answer the question, as the first
 response did?  No, we have to attack the man for having beliefs that are
 different from our own.  Because we're so enlightened?  Or because we are
 even more ignorant than we suppose he is?
 To unsubscribe, send any mail to 
 freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org


Because people like that impose their beliefs on others.  Let's not pretend
that the end-goal of initiating that dialog is anything other than change
it due to my beliefs or a troll.


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Re: Port upgrade problem

2010-07-26 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Petre Bandac pe...@kgb.ro writes:

 Lowell Gilbert wrote:
 Petre Bandac pe...@kgb.ro writes:
 
 While upgrading port, I have the following problems:
 - some cfg files are overwritten (authdaemon's authmysqlrc)
 
 I can't figure out what port that comes from, so I can't help.

 courier-authlib-mysql-0.63.0_1 - the file is
 /usr/local/etc/authlib/authmysqlrc

According to the plist info, it shouldn't be installed at all; just
etc/authlib/authmysqlrc.dist.  On delete, it will only be removed if
identical to authmysqlrc.dist.

 - some make install options are not kept (maildrop - not compiled against 
 mysql and courier imap - fam is compiled, even though initially was ruled 
 out)
 
 Those aren't set up as OPTIONS, so they won't get stored in
 /var/db/ports.  
 
 The upgrade sequence is:

 # portsnap fetch update
 # portmanager -u

 Am I doing something wrong?
 
 See alternative configuration in the portmanager manual.

 I guess that is what I need, thank you

 however, I don't remember to have had this problem until now (i.e.
 options not being kept @ update); or they had the same behavior ?

It's always been this way.  This was the reason behind adding the
OPTIONS mechanism, but not all optional features are set up that way.
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1 file system, 2 drives?

2010-07-26 Thread John Almberg
One of my clients has a server that hosts big public-access type videos. 
He started off with a separate 200G drive just for video storage 
(FreeBSD is on another drive). This video storage drive is mounted as 
/videos.


He's just bought another drive, but now I'm thinking of what to do with 
it...


I know this is probably impossible, but FreeBSD can do so many 
miraculous things, that I can't help asking...


Is it possible to use the second drive to 'expand' the /videos file 
system? So it would miraculously look like a single 400G drive?


I ask this, because logically, Im going to use the second drive the 
same way as the first: to store videos. It will be really awkward to 
have two mount points, and try to decide which video should get stored 
on which drive. And no doubt it will get more complex as we go along. It 
would be much simpler if this logical drive could just expand as needed.


Any ideas much appreciated.

-- John
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Re: 1 file system, 2 drives?

2010-07-26 Thread Volodymyr Kostyrko

26.07.2010 21:55, John Almberg wrote:

One of my clients has a server that hosts big public-access type videos.
He started off with a separate 200G drive just for video storage
(FreeBSD is on another drive). This video storage drive is mounted as
/videos.

He's just bought another drive, but now I'm thinking of what to do with
it...

I know this is probably impossible, but FreeBSD can do so many
miraculous things, that I can't help asking...

Is it possible to use the second drive to 'expand' the /videos file
system? So it would miraculously look like a single 400G drive?

I ask this, because logically, Im going to use the second drive the
same way as the first: to store videos. It will be really awkward to
have two mount points, and try to decide which video should get stored
on which drive. And no doubt it will get more complex as we go along. It
would be much simpler if this logical drive could just expand as needed.

Any ideas much appreciated.


Making two devices appear as one:
 * vinum;
 * gstripe;
 * ZFS.

Making two devices look like there's only one:
 * union.

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Re: 1 file system, 2 drives?

2010-07-26 Thread Chuck Swiger
Hi, John--

On Jul 26, 2010, at 11:55 AM, John Almberg wrote:
 I know this is probably impossible, but FreeBSD can do so many miraculous 
 things, that I can't help asking...
 
 Is it possible to use the second drive to 'expand' the /videos file system? 
 So it would miraculously look like a single 400G drive?

The canonical way of doing this is to either create a RAID-0 concat or stripe 
volume.  Using RAID-0 striping is preferred due to performance, but you'd need 
to backup, reformat using a RAID-0 stripe, and then restore your data onto the 
new volume.  In theory, setting up a concat is less intrusive, but if the data 
is already mounted and in use, you'll probably still need to unmount it first.

If you have hardware controller with RAID capabilities, using native RAID is 
better, otherwise look towards gvinum or maybe ccd; see also:

  http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/raid.html

Regards,
-- 
-Chuck

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Re: 1 file system, 2 drives?

2010-07-26 Thread John Almberg

Volodymyr/Chuck,


Is it possible to use the second drive to 'expand' the /videos file system? So 
it would miraculously look like a single 400G drive?
 


The canonical way of doing this is to either create a RAID-0 concat or stripe 
volume.
   

Wow, of course... I should have thought of that.

Something like that should be just what the Dr. ordered. I will look 
into it.


Thanks: John
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Re: 1 file system, 2 drives?

2010-07-26 Thread Adam Vande More
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi, John--

 On Jul 26, 2010, at 11:55 AM, John Almberg wrote:
  I know this is probably impossible, but FreeBSD can do so many miraculous
 things, that I can't help asking...
 
  Is it possible to use the second drive to 'expand' the /videos file
 system? So it would miraculously look like a single 400G drive?

 The canonical way of doing this is to either create a RAID-0 concat or
 stripe volume.  Using RAID-0 striping is preferred due to performance, but
 you'd need to backup, reformat using a RAID-0 stripe, and then restore your
 data onto the new volume.  In theory, setting up a concat is less intrusive,
 but if the data is already mounted and in use, you'll probably still need to
 unmount it first.

 If you have hardware controller with RAID capabilities, using native RAID
 is better, otherwise look towards gvinum or maybe ccd; see also:


There is also gconcat(8), IMO much easier than gvinum although not all the
power either.

ZFS sort has this as well, if you replace devices with bigger devices the
pool with grow to the size of the smallest device.

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 03:41:27PM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote:

 On Sun 25 Jul 2010 at 14:42:14 PDT Matthew Seaman wrote:
 
 Besides, I suspect that the OP was not in fact genuinely offended but
 merely trying to stir up trouble
 
 Which makes it all the more disappointing that so many of you took the
 bait.
 
 I stand by my previous comments.  Please end this thread, now.  

Oh, I have been enjoying it.

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Re: 8.1-RELEASE ia64

2010-07-26 Thread Samuel Martín Moro
Oh right.. ok... sorry...
I'll try amd64

Thanks for the heads up!


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On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Michael Powell nightre...@hotmail.comwrote:

 Samuel Martín Moro wrote:

  Hi
 
  I would like to install FreeBSD-8.1 ia64, so I downloaded
  FreeBSD-8.1-RELEASE-ia64-disc1.iso.
 
  When I boot from a burnt CD, the screen keeps black, with the
  blinkingunderscore,
  nothing else happend.
  When I make an USB bootable stick, I've got a message saying that
  /boot/loader was not found.
 
  Having a look into /boot, I noticed that indeed, there's no loader
  anymore. But there a loader.efi, which wasn't in FreeBSD-7.2-RELEASE (the
  last I tried).
  I tried copying loader.efi to loader, but as expected, it says me
 'invalid
  format' and still does not want to boot...

 Perfectly normal and to be expected. IA64 utilizes a different boot loader
 paradigm known as EFI. More info on EFI can be found here:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface

  What happened to loader?
  Did I download the wrong iso?

 Probably. The IA64 architecture is a completely different beast than x86.
 If
 your processor is a Xeon or some other regular Intel desktop type you need
 to use the amd64 iso image.

  Did I miss something?
 
  Also, why other archs have their -memstick.img, and ia64 have not?
 
 Maybe IA64 will not boot from USB because of the EFI boot loader
 requirement.

 -Mike



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Re: 1 file system, 2 drives?

2010-07-26 Thread John Almberg



If you have hardware controller with RAID capabilities, using native RAID is 
better, otherwise look towards gvinum or maybe ccd; see also:
   
I've just been reading up on RAID in my Absolute FreeBSD book, and it 
occurs to me that my client has a SCSI RAID drive chassis that he is 
using stupidly...


It's a 14 bay drive, and he's currently got seven 32G drives stuck in 
it, configured with RAID-0. This is the original 200G drive I was 
talking about. It's a few years old.


Over the next few years, this guy is going to need lots of storage for 
his videos.


After a bit of reading, I'm wondering if the best idea might be to toss 
out those 32G drives and replace them with 3 big (say, 300G) drives 
configured with RAID-5. It sounds to me like a RAID-5 array can be 
expanded by adding new drives.


QUESTION: is expansion normally a matter of just plugging in a new 
drive? Is the new drive automatically grafted onto the old drives? Or do 
you have to go through a process like, backing up the data, plugging in 
the new drive, reformatting the expanded array of drives, and restoring 
the data.


I don't know the brand/model of the RAID drive chassis, but the client 
thinks it can be switched to use RAID 5. I'm waiting for the technical 
details, but assuming it can handle RAID-5 for now.


Thanks: John
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Re: 1 file system, 2 drives?

2010-07-26 Thread Diego Arias
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:30 PM, John Almberg jalmb...@identry.com wrote:


  If you have hardware controller with RAID capabilities, using native RAID
 is better, otherwise look towards gvinum or maybe ccd; see also:


 I've just been reading up on RAID in my Absolute FreeBSD book, and it
 occurs to me that my client has a SCSI RAID drive chassis that he is using
 stupidly...

 It's a 14 bay drive, and he's currently got seven 32G drives stuck in it,
 configured with RAID-0. This is the original 200G drive I was talking about.
 It's a few years old.

 Over the next few years, this guy is going to need lots of storage for his
 videos.

 After a bit of reading, I'm wondering if the best idea might be to toss out
 those 32G drives and replace them with 3 big (say, 300G) drives configured
 with RAID-5. It sounds to me like a RAID-5 array can be expanded by adding
 new drives.

 QUESTION: is expansion normally a matter of just plugging in a new drive?
 Is the new drive automatically grafted onto the old drives? Or do you have
 to go through a process like, backing up the data, plugging in the new
 drive, reformatting the expanded array of drives, and restoring the data.

 I don't know the brand/model of the RAID drive chassis, but the client
 thinks it can be switched to use RAID 5. I'm waiting for the technical
 details, but assuming it can handle RAID-5 for now.

 Thanks: John

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Hi:

If the Write-performance its not a problem go with 3 drives. If you need a
good write performance go at least with 4 -or- use another RAID level. Maybe
the RAID Controller allow RAID 5 Grow but im not shure if FreeBSD can handle
it.


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Re: 1 file system, 2 drives?

2010-07-26 Thread John Almberg

John Almberg wrote:
If you have hardware controller with RAID capabilities, using native 
RAID is better, otherwise look towards gvinum or maybe ccd; see also: 
I've just been reading up on RAID in my Absolute FreeBSD book, and it 
occurs to me that my client has a SCSI RAID drive chassis that he is 
using stupidly...


It's a 14 bay drive, and he's currently got seven 32G drives stuck in 
it, configured with RAID-0. This is the original 200G drive I was 
talking about. It's a few years old.


Over the next few years, this guy is going to need lots of storage for 
his videos.


After a bit of reading, I'm wondering if the best idea might be to 
toss out those 32G drives and replace them with 3 big (say, 300G) 
drives configured with RAID-5. It sounds to me like a RAID-5 array can 
be expanded by adding new drives.


QUESTION: is expansion normally a matter of just plugging in a new 
drive? Is the new drive automatically grafted onto the old drives? Or 
do you have to go through a process like, backing up the data, 
plugging in the new drive, reformatting the expanded array of drives, 
and restoring the data.


I don't know the brand/model of the RAID drive chassis, but the client 
thinks it can be switched to use RAID 5. I'm waiting for the technical 
details, but assuming it can handle RAID-5 for now.

Answering my own question...

So its a HP 6402 / 128 RAID controller. From a quick skim of the manual, 
it looks like the controller has to go through an 'expansion' process 
when adding a new drive. This sounds time consuming, but more or less 
automatic -- i.e., handled by the controller.


Sounds like this might be the best way to go.

-- John
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread David Brodbeck
On Mon, July 26, 2010 11:24 am, Paul Schmehl wrote:
 When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe
 there's no genuine interest in dialog.

Well, I hate to break it to you, but people who are trying to make a
religious point aren't interested in dialog, anyway.  In fact, it's pretty
well impossible to have a dialog with them that gets anywhere.  You can't
have a sensible debate when the other person's fallback response is always
it's god's will, so it's beyond our understanding and we can't question
it, and you're an evil person for not agreeing with me.  These people
have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them
down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them.


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RE: 1 file system, 2 drives?

2010-07-26 Thread Gary Gatten
From my experience (YMMV), most RAID controllers will NOT redistribute the 
existing data/files onto the newly added drives.  So, if you have a (3) drive 
RAID5 your file exists on all three drives, as does the parity data.  If you 
add (2) drives, your original files will not be on the new drives.  New files 
WILL use all (5) drives.  IMHO it's best to backup the data (twice), create a 
new volume on the new RAID, and restore the data.  That said, maybe 
better/newer RAID controllers will redistribute / balance existing data across 
all drives in the array - I don't know for sure.  Either way, backup your data 
- twice!  And make sure it can be restored!  Just because the backup app SAYS 
it's OK, it's NOT OK until it can be successfully restored!

Also, if you go from (7) drives to (3), your I/O may suffer.  Newer faster 
drives MAY make up the difference, or make up enough of it that it won't impact 
your client.  Just be aware this is a potential issue.  Generally speaking more 
spindles = more I/O's / sec.

G


-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org 
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of John Almberg
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 3:31 PM
To: Chuck Swiger
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: 1 file system, 2 drives?


 If you have hardware controller with RAID capabilities, using native RAID is 
 better, otherwise look towards gvinum or maybe ccd; see also:

I've just been reading up on RAID in my Absolute FreeBSD book, and it 
occurs to me that my client has a SCSI RAID drive chassis that he is 
using stupidly...

It's a 14 bay drive, and he's currently got seven 32G drives stuck in 
it, configured with RAID-0. This is the original 200G drive I was 
talking about. It's a few years old.

Over the next few years, this guy is going to need lots of storage for 
his videos.

After a bit of reading, I'm wondering if the best idea might be to toss 
out those 32G drives and replace them with 3 big (say, 300G) drives 
configured with RAID-5. It sounds to me like a RAID-5 array can be 
expanded by adding new drives.

QUESTION: is expansion normally a matter of just plugging in a new 
drive? Is the new drive automatically grafted onto the old drives? Or do 
you have to go through a process like, backing up the data, plugging in 
the new drive, reformatting the expanded array of drives, and restoring 
the data.

I don't know the brand/model of the RAID drive chassis, but the client 
thinks it can be switched to use RAID 5. I'm waiting for the technical 
details, but assuming it can handle RAID-5 for now.

Thanks: John
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problem with ffmpeg port

2010-07-26 Thread John Francis Lee
Hello,

I have a VPS account at viaverio and am trying to install ffmpeg on my
server.

[...@28amen ~]$ uname -a
FreeBSD 28amen.org 6.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE #6: Wed Oct 21
09:32:42 MDT 2009 r...@fc:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/VKERN  i386

I realize that that is an old version of FreeBSD, but there is nothing I
can do about that.

I tried

 sudo portinstall ffmpeg

but after a long time downloading and compiling various packages it ends
with

 ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed)
! math/mpfr (unknown build error)
* devel/binutils
* multimedia/x264
* multimedia/ffmpeg-devel
* multimedia/ffmpeg

Viaverio support suggested that I

 cd /ports/multimedia/ffmpeg
 make install  make clean

But...

[...@28amen ~]$ cd /ports/multimedia/ffmpeg
[...@28amen /ports/multimedia/ffmpeg]$ sudo make install
Password:
===   ffmpeg-0.6_1,1 depends on executable: yasm - found
===   ffmpeg-0.6_1,1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/as - not found
===Verifying install for /usr/local/bin/as in /usr/ports/devel/binutils
===   binutils-2.20.1_3 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libgmp.so - found
===   binutils-2.20.1_3 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libmpfr.so -
not found
===Verifying install for /usr/local/lib/libmpfr.so in
/usr/ports/math/mpfr
===  Vulnerability check disabled, database not found
===  License accepted by the user
===  Extracting for mpfr-3.0.0
= MD5 Checksum OK for mpfr/mpfr-3.0.0.tar.xz.
= SHA256 Checksum OK for mpfr/mpfr-3.0.0.tar.xz.
===   mpfr-3.0.0 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/xz - not found
===Verifying install for /usr/local/bin/xz in /usr/ports/archivers/xz
===  Installing for xz-4.999.9_1
===   Generating temporary packing list
===  Checking if archivers/xz already installed
===   An older version of archivers/xz is already installed
(lzmautils-4.32.7)
  You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again
  by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly.
  If you really wish to overwrite the old port of archivers/xz
  without deleting it first, set the variable FORCE_PKG_REGISTER
  in your environment or the make install command line.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /ports/archivers/xz.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /ports/math/mpfr.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /ports/devel/binutils.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /ports/devel/binutils.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /ports/multimedia/ffmpeg.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /ports/multimedia/ffmpeg.

I really need ffmpeg and hope that I can get some help here.

Thanks.

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Re: problem with ffmpeg port

2010-07-26 Thread Chuck Swiger
Hi--

On Jul 26, 2010, at 2:22 PM, John Francis Lee wrote:
 ===Verifying install for /usr/local/bin/xz in /usr/ports/archivers/xz
 ===  Installing for xz-4.999.9_1
 ===   Generating temporary packing list
 ===  Checking if archivers/xz already installed
 ===   An older version of archivers/xz is already installed
 (lzmautils-4.32.7)
  You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again
  by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly.
  If you really wish to overwrite the old port of archivers/xz
  without deleting it first, set the variable FORCE_PKG_REGISTER
  in your environment or the make install command line.
 *** Error code 1

This is the relevant bit.  You need to upgrade archivers/xz first by following 
the suggestions, or else use a tool like portupgrade/portmanager/etc...

Regards,
-- 
-Chuck

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Re: problem with ffmpeg port

2010-07-26 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Jul 26, 2010, at 2:34 PM, John Francis Lee wrote:
 Thanks
 
 [...@28amen /ports/multimedia/ffmpeg]$ cd ../../archivers/xz/
 [...@28amen /ports/archivers/xz]$ sudo make deinstall
 Password:
 ===  Deinstalling for archivers/xz
 [...@28amen /ports/archivers/xz]$ sudo make install
 ===  Installing for xz-4.999.9_1
 ===   Generating temporary packing list
 ===  Checking if archivers/xz already installed
 ===   An older version of archivers/xz is already installed
 (lzmautils-4.32.7)

It looks like you might have archivers/lzmautils installed instead of 
archivers/xz; try deinstalling that instead, and then let multimedia/ffmpeg 
install the one it wants.

If make deinstall doesn't do it, then pkg_info | grep lzma or pkg_info | 
grep xz might tell you which one you have installed, and pkg_delete -f can be 
fed the name of the package you do have...

Regards,
-- 
-Chuck

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Re: problem with ffmpeg port

2010-07-26 Thread John Francis Lee
Thanks

[...@28amen /ports/multimedia/ffmpeg]$ cd ../../archivers/xz/
[...@28amen /ports/archivers/xz]$ sudo make deinstall
Password:
===  Deinstalling for archivers/xz
[...@28amen /ports/archivers/xz]$ sudo make install
===  Installing for xz-4.999.9_1
===   Generating temporary packing list
===  Checking if archivers/xz already installed
===   An older version of archivers/xz is already installed
(lzmautils-4.32.7)
  You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again
  by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly.
  If you really wish to overwrite the old port of archivers/xz
  without deleting it first, set the variable FORCE_PKG_REGISTER
  in your environment or the make install command line.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /ports/archivers/xz.


Should I try the FORCE_PKG_REGISTER bit? If so how?

Thanks for your help...

Or how do I portupgrade/portmanager/etc...

Thanks again.

On 07/27/2010 04:29 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote:
 Hi--
 
 On Jul 26, 2010, at 2:22 PM, John Francis Lee wrote:
 ===Verifying install for /usr/local/bin/xz in /usr/ports/archivers/xz
 ===  Installing for xz-4.999.9_1
 ===   Generating temporary packing list
 ===  Checking if archivers/xz already installed
 ===   An older version of archivers/xz is already installed
 (lzmautils-4.32.7)
  You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again
  by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly.
  If you really wish to overwrite the old port of archivers/xz
  without deleting it first, set the variable FORCE_PKG_REGISTER
  in your environment or the make install command line.
 *** Error code 1
 
 This is the relevant bit.  You need to upgrade archivers/xz first by 
 following the suggestions, or else use a tool like 
 portupgrade/portmanager/etc...
 
 Regards,

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Re: problem with ffmpeg port

2010-07-26 Thread Ryan Coleman
do this:

#make install -DFORCE_PKG_REGISTER


on that particular port, in this case /archivers/xz.


On Jul 26, 2010, at 4:34 PM, John Francis Lee wrote:

 Thanks
 
 [...@28amen /ports/multimedia/ffmpeg]$ cd ../../archivers/xz/
 [...@28amen /ports/archivers/xz]$ sudo make deinstall
 Password:
 ===  Deinstalling for archivers/xz
 [...@28amen /ports/archivers/xz]$ sudo make install
 ===  Installing for xz-4.999.9_1
 ===   Generating temporary packing list
 ===  Checking if archivers/xz already installed
 ===   An older version of archivers/xz is already installed
 (lzmautils-4.32.7)
  You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again
  by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly.
  If you really wish to overwrite the old port of archivers/xz
  without deleting it first, set the variable FORCE_PKG_REGISTER
  in your environment or the make install command line.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /ports/archivers/xz.
 
 
 Should I try the FORCE_PKG_REGISTER bit? If so how?
 
 Thanks for your help...
 
 Or how do I portupgrade/portmanager/etc...
 
 Thanks again.
 
 On 07/27/2010 04:29 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote:
 Hi--
 
 On Jul 26, 2010, at 2:22 PM, John Francis Lee wrote:
 ===Verifying install for /usr/local/bin/xz in /usr/ports/archivers/xz
 ===  Installing for xz-4.999.9_1
 ===   Generating temporary packing list
 ===  Checking if archivers/xz already installed
 ===   An older version of archivers/xz is already installed
 (lzmautils-4.32.7)
 You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again
 by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly.
 If you really wish to overwrite the old port of archivers/xz
 without deleting it first, set the variable FORCE_PKG_REGISTER
 in your environment or the make install command line.
 *** Error code 1
 
 This is the relevant bit.  You need to upgrade archivers/xz first by 
 following the suggestions, or else use a tool like 
 portupgrade/portmanager/etc...
 
 Regards,
 
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:06:17 -0700, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote:
 These people
 have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them
 down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them.

Reminds me to the discussion around Russell's teapot...



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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Paul Schmehl

--On Monday, July 26, 2010 14:06:17 -0700 David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote:


On Mon, July 26, 2010 11:24 am, Paul Schmehl wrote:

When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe
there's no genuine interest in dialog.


Well, I hate to break it to you, but people who are trying to make a
religious point aren't interested in dialog, anyway.  In fact, it's pretty
well impossible to have a dialog with them that gets anywhere.  You can't
have a sensible debate when the other person's fallback response is always
it's god's will, so it's beyond our understanding and we can't question
it, and you're an evil person for not agreeing with me.  These people
have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them
down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them.



The assumptions and bias in that statement are so broad as to defy description.

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread David Brodbeck
On Mon, July 26, 2010 3:53 pm, Paul Schmehl wrote:
 --On Monday, July 26, 2010 14:06:17 -0700 David Brodbeck g...@gull.us
 wrote:

 On Mon, July 26, 2010 11:24 am, Paul Schmehl wrote:
 When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe
 there's no genuine interest in dialog.

 Well, I hate to break it to you, but people who are trying to make a
 religious point aren't interested in dialog, anyway.  In fact, it's
 pretty
 well impossible to have a dialog with them that gets anywhere.  You
 can't
 have a sensible debate when the other person's fallback response is
 always
 it's god's will, so it's beyond our understanding and we can't question
 it, and you're an evil person for not agreeing with me.  These people
 have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them
 down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them.


 The assumptions and bias in that statement are so broad as to defy
 description.

Well, all I can say is I was a regular church-goer for 20 years, and went
to religious school for six of those, so I come by my position honestly.

I guess this is pretty thoroughly OT at this point, though.


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Re: OpenOffice 3.2.1 in FreeBSD 8.1

2010-07-26 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:00:46 -0500, Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 Compiling OpenOffice is not a practical option for many of us due to
 hardware restraints.
 
 I'm glad to see that there's a compiled binary somewhere!

Additionally, there's also the problem of the various configurational
items for the OpenOffice building process: if to use CUPS or not,
if to include Gnome-VFS support, KDE support, Mozilla support,
and the localized language (which does not even include dictionaries
for that language)...

The times where pkg_add -r de-openoffice.org would give you,
for example, an OpenOffice in german language (WITH dictionaries!)
within a few minutes are over. :-(




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Re: problem with ffmpeg port

2010-07-26 Thread John Francis Lee
Thanks... I did that and ffmpeg did install!

But...

[...@28amen ~/www/robinlea.com]$ ffmpeg -i introduction.wav introduction.mp3
FFmpeg version 0.6, Copyright (c) 2000-2010 the FFmpeg developers
  built on Jul 26 2010 22:42:00 with gcc 3.4.6 [FreeBSD] 20060305
  configuration: --prefix=/usr/local --mandir=/usr/local/man
--enable-shared --enable-gpl --enable-postproc --enable-avfilter
--enable-avfilter-lavf --enable-pthreads --enable-x11grab
--enable-memalign-hack --cc=cc
--extra-cflags=-I/usr/local/include/vorbis -I/usr/local/include
--extra-ldflags=-L/usr/local/lib --extra-libs=-pthread --disable-debug
--disable-sse --disable-mmx --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-version3
--enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-version3 --enable-libdirac
--enable-libfaac --enable-nonfree --enable-libfaad --enable-libfaadbin
--enable-libgsm --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libopenjpeg
--enable-libschroedinger --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora
--enable-libvorbis --enable-libx264 --enable-libxvid
  libavutil 50.15. 1 / 50.15. 1
  libavcodec52.72. 2 / 52.72. 2
  libavformat   52.64. 2 / 52.64. 2
  libavdevice   52. 2. 0 / 52. 2. 0
  libavfilter1.19. 0 /  1.19. 0
  libswscale 0.11. 0 /  0.11. 0
  libpostproc   51. 2. 0 / 51. 2. 0
Bus error: 10 (core dumped)

I had had a look at the manpage for portupgrade and saw a reference to

 pkgdb -F

So I ran that I and noticed a duplicated origin for archivers/xz :

 Duplicated origin: archivers/xz - lzmautils-4.32.7 xz-4.999.9_1

and so unregistered lzmautils-4.32.7

then

  cd /ports/multimedia/ffmpeg
  sudo make deinstall
  sudo make install

but ffmpeg still dumps core.

Any further suggestions?

This is what pkgdb -F shows now

[...@28amen ~/www/robinlea.com]$ sudo pkgdb -F
Password:
---  Checking the package registry database
Stale origin: 'misc/ldconfig_compat': perhaps moved or obsoleted.
- The port 'misc/ldconfig_compat' was removed on 2010-05-14 because:
Supported releases don't need the port anymore
- Hint:  ldconfig_compat-1.0_8 is required by the following package(s):
p5-DBD-mysql50-3.0006
mysql-scripts-5.0.24
mysql-server-5.0.24
squid-2.6.12
mysql-client-5.0.24
- Hint: checking for overwritten files...
 - No files installed by ldconfig_compat-1.0_8 have been overwritten by
other packages.
Deinstall ldconfig_compat-1.0_8 ? [no]
Duplicated origin: textproc/p5-XML-LibXML - p5-XML-LibXML-1.69,1
p5-XML-LibXML-Common-0.13
Unregister any of them? [no]
Duplicated origin: lang/python25 - python25-2.5.2_2 python25-2.5.4_1
Unregister any of them? [no]

Thanks again for your help.


On 07/27/2010 05:19 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
 do this:
 
 #make install -DFORCE_PKG_REGISTER
 
 
 on that particular port, in this case /archivers/xz.
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2010, at 4:34 PM, John Francis Lee wrote:
 
 Thanks

 [...@28amen /ports/multimedia/ffmpeg]$ cd ../../archivers/xz/
 [...@28amen /ports/archivers/xz]$ sudo make deinstall
 Password:
 ===  Deinstalling for archivers/xz
 [...@28amen /ports/archivers/xz]$ sudo make install
 ===  Installing for xz-4.999.9_1
 ===   Generating temporary packing list
 ===  Checking if archivers/xz already installed
 ===   An older version of archivers/xz is already installed
 (lzmautils-4.32.7)
  You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again
  by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly.
  If you really wish to overwrite the old port of archivers/xz
  without deleting it first, set the variable FORCE_PKG_REGISTER
  in your environment or the make install command line.
 *** Error code 1

 Stop in /ports/archivers/xz.


 Should I try the FORCE_PKG_REGISTER bit? If so how?

 Thanks for your help...

 Or how do I portupgrade/portmanager/etc...

 Thanks again.

 On 07/27/2010 04:29 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote:
 Hi--

 On Jul 26, 2010, at 2:22 PM, John Francis Lee wrote:
 ===Verifying install for /usr/local/bin/xz in /usr/ports/archivers/xz
 ===  Installing for xz-4.999.9_1
 ===   Generating temporary packing list
 ===  Checking if archivers/xz already installed
 ===   An older version of archivers/xz is already installed
 (lzmautils-4.32.7)
 You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again
 by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly.
 If you really wish to overwrite the old port of archivers/xz
 without deleting it first, set the variable FORCE_PKG_REGISTER
 in your environment or the make install command line.
 *** Error code 1

 This is the relevant bit.  You need to upgrade archivers/xz first by 
 following the suggestions, or else use a tool like 
 portupgrade/portmanager/etc...

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Tom Worster
On 7/26/10 12:35 PM, Pegasus Mc Cleaft k...@mthelicon.com wrote:

 By the way . . . while I think a BelssedBSD fork is a ridiculous idea,
 the name BlessedBSD is *brilliant*.  Pronouncing it aloud makes the
 high-quality pun buried in the name more obvious, for those who didn't
 quite catch it on the first read-through.
 
 i agree. lovely name. the pagan connection is delectable.
 http://is.gd/dJRn3
 
 After the install, does it say SoMoteItBSD?

and gives you a distinctive handshake.


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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Neal Hogan
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
 On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:06:17 -0700, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote:
 These people
 have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them
 down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them.

 Reminds me to the discussion around Russell's teapot...


No . . . not you . . . Polytropon! The end of the world must be coming
(Revelations-1.0).



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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Alejandro Imass
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 6:59 PM, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote:
 On Mon, July 26, 2010 3:53 pm, Paul Schmehl wrote:
 --On Monday, July 26, 2010 14:06:17 -0700 David Brodbeck g...@gull.us
 wrote:

 On Mon, July 26, 2010 11:24 am, Paul Schmehl wrote:
 When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe
 there's no genuine interest in dialog.

 Well, I hate to break it to you, but people who are trying to make a
 religious point aren't interested in dialog, anyway.  In fact, it's
 pretty
 well impossible to have a dialog with them that gets anywhere.  You
 can't
 have a sensible debate when the other person's fallback response is
 always
 it's god's will, so it's beyond our understanding and we can't question
 it, and you're an evil person for not agreeing with me.  These people
 have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them
 down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them.


 The assumptions and bias in that statement are so broad as to defy
 description.

 Well, all I can say is I was a regular church-goer for 20 years, and went
 to religious school for six of those, so I come by my position honestly.

 I guess this is pretty thoroughly OT at this point, though.

OT
Seems so, but it's a very interesting topic.I kindly invite all
interested in having this discussion here:
http://ekowiki.org/index.php/Religion
This is a humble project I started a while back when I decided to stop
talking and thinking and actually try to do something...
/OT


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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Alejandro Imass
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 6:59 PM, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote:
 On Mon, July 26, 2010 3:53 pm, Paul Schmehl wrote:
 --On Monday, July 26, 2010 14:06:17 -0700 David Brodbeck g...@gull.us
 wrote:

 On Mon, July 26, 2010 11:24 am, Paul Schmehl wrote:
 When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe
 there's no genuine interest in dialog.

 Well, I hate to break it to you, but people who are trying to make a
 religious point aren't interested in dialog, anyway.  In fact, it's
 pretty
 well impossible to have a dialog with them that gets anywhere.  You
 can't
 have a sensible debate when the other person's fallback response is
 always
 it's god's will, so it's beyond our understanding and we can't question
 it, and you're an evil person for not agreeing with me.  These people
 have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them
 down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them.


 The assumptions and bias in that statement are so broad as to defy
 description.

 Well, all I can say is I was a regular church-goer for 20 years, and went
 to religious school for six of those, so I come by my position honestly.

 I guess this is pretty thoroughly OT at this point, though.

 OT
 Seems so, but it's a very interesting topic.I kindly invite all
 interested in having this discussion here:
 http://ekowiki.org/index.php/Religion
 This is a humble project I started a while back when I decided to stop
 talking and thinking and actually try to do something...
 /OT

Oh, and BTW it runs on FBSD, of course ;-)



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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:22:21 -0500, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote:
 No . . . not you . . . Polytropon! The end of the world must be coming
 (Revelations-1.0).

Do *NOT* tempt me. Okay, you did. And this is what will happen:
It turns this thread into a bottomless pit of nonsense, but well,
you asked for it. :-)


   ,ggg,   nd spotteth  twice  they  the  system before
  dP8I   the fifth version,  and so,  the Programmers
 dP   88   went Forth to RAM Gilead in Kernel Bilgemath,
dP88   by Shell  Ethra  Joygalion,  to the house of
   ,8'88   Gash-Bernars-Lee-Bazola,  he who brought the
   d   better list to  Kerneygham and the tank pool
 __   ,8 88   to the  house of  Ritchomon, and  there slew
dP  ,8P  Y8   they the list messages, yea, and placed they
Yb,_,dP   `8b, the bits in little bit buckets.  Here endeth
 Y8P `Y8 the lesson.  (Pal 8:256)



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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 08:39:12AM -0700, Andy Balholm wrote:
 
 It's also possible that, after reading the responses to his inquiry,
 the original poster decided that his question had been adequately
 answered, his concerns were justified, and he should use a different
 operating system.
 
 although the UNIX term daemon is not satanic in origin, some aspects
 of Beastie's appearance are obviously derived from traditional
 depictions of the Devil. 

Really?  Are you sure they weren't derived from something else -- perhaps
a source in common for the traditional depictions of the devil?  There
may be a common source for both, rather than one being the source of the
other.  Correlation does not imply causation.  Did you ask the original
Beastie artist for confirmation that he was consciously emulating images
of the Christian devil, or did you just jump to a conclusion like the OP?

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Glenn Sieb
On 7/26/10 8:01 PM, Polytropon wrote:
,ggg,   nd spotteth  twice  they  the  system before
   dP8I   the fifth version,  and so,  the Programmers
  dP   88   went Forth to RAM Gilead in Kernel Bilgemath,
 dP88   by Shell  Ethra  Joygalion,  to the house of
,8'88   Gash-Bernars-Lee-Bazola,  he who brought the
d   better list to  Kerneygham and the tank pool
  __   ,8 88   to the  house of  Ritchomon, and  there slew
 dP  ,8P  Y8   they the list messages, yea, and placed they
 Yb,_,dP   `8b, the bits in little bit buckets.  Here endeth
  Y8P `Y8 the lesson.  (Pal 8:256)

*clap*clap*clap*clap*clap*clap*

Well done, sir. :)

Best,
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 01:24:21PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote:
 --On Saturday, July 24, 2010 00:24:46 -0600 Chad Perrin 
 per...@apotheon.com wrote:
 
 When this is the way someone starts a discussion about wanting to use a
 new OS, I tend to believe there is no genuine interest in using the OS in
 question.
 
 When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe 
 there's no genuine interest in dialog.  I am therefore left to wonder who 
 really is the intolerant one.  One cannot claim to be tolerant while 
 demonstrating intolerance any more than one can claim to be educated 
 without every having read a book.

How perspicacious of you.  I'll quote myself basically saying exactly
that -- that I am not particularly interested in dialog with someone
who, I'm sure, has already made up his or her mind:

In any case, I didn't claim to be tolerant.  In fact, I very
specifically said I was sure someone would accuse me of intolerance, and
went on to explain that I am guilty of intolerance of those who are
intolerant themselves.  Why are you just repeating what I have said, but
in the tone of an accusation?  How intolerant are *you* today?

Not all education comes from books, by the way (though I personally have
read many, many books, and quite enjoy the activity of reading).

 
  While I normally prefer to take an inclusive approach to dealing with
  people who run into obstacles in their approach to thinking about
  OSes, there are cases where I simply feel the urge to throw my hands
  in the air and giving up on someone.  Such cases are those where it
  seems likely that some kind of closed-minded idolatry (which is
  exactly what this is: taking a cartoony mascot as some kind of
  Manifest Presence of a supernatural, superhuman Force, Principle, or
  Being) is going on.  Either you will get over it, or you will not,
  and it is only a very faint hope that pointing out the ludicrousness
  of your objection that compels me to respond at all.

Is that clear enough for you?


 
 It's amazing to me the ridicule heaped upon the man for asking a question. 
 Would it have been too difficult to simply answer the question, as the 
 first response did?  No, we have to attack the man for having beliefs that 
 are different from our own.  Because we're so enlightened?  Or because we 
 are even more ignorant than we suppose he is?

I *did* answer the question before heaping ridicule on someone who, as I
stated, I believe had already made up his or her mind, and had no genuine
interest in dialog in the first place.

My attack, by the way, had *zero* to do with anyone's beliefs being
different from my own -- as you might have noticed if you bothered to
read and understand what I said.  Skimming it for excuses to accuse me of
religious intolerance doesn't work as well as you might think.

You're a self-righteous git, and probably personally offended by the
appearance of an attack on Christianity (which is never what was
intended, nor even what happened, at least in the case of the specific
email to which you replied).  Try stepping back, reading more closely,
and responding to what was *actually* said.

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 05:53:30PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote:
 --On Monday, July 26, 2010 14:06:17 -0700 David Brodbeck g...@gull.us 
 wrote:
 
 On Mon, July 26, 2010 11:24 am, Paul Schmehl wrote:
 When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe
 there's no genuine interest in dialog.
 
 Well, I hate to break it to you, but people who are trying to make a
 religious point aren't interested in dialog, anyway.  In fact, it's pretty
 well impossible to have a dialog with them that gets anywhere.  You can't
 have a sensible debate when the other person's fallback response is always
 it's god's will, so it's beyond our understanding and we can't question
 it, and you're an evil person for not agreeing with me.  These people
 have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them
 down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them.
 
 
 The assumptions and bias in that statement are so broad as to defy 
 description.

There appeared to be a fair bit of assumption and bias in your response
to me, as well.  Pot, kettle, et cetera.

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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Antonio Olivares
On 7/26/10, Glenn Sieb ges+li...@wingfoot.org wrote:
 On 7/26/10 8:01 PM, Polytropon wrote:
,ggg,   nd spotteth  twice  they  the  system before
   dP8I   the fifth version,  and so,  the Programmers
  dP   88   went Forth to RAM Gilead in Kernel Bilgemath,
 dP88   by Shell  Ethra  Joygalion,  to the house of
,8'88   Gash-Bernars-Lee-Bazola,  he who brought the
d   better list to  Kerneygham and the tank pool
  __   ,8 88   to the  house of  Ritchomon, and  there slew
 dP  ,8P  Y8   they the list messages, yea, and placed they
 Yb,_,dP   `8b, the bits in little bit buckets.  Here endeth
  Y8P `Y8 the lesson.  (Pal 8:256)

 *clap*clap*clap*clap*clap*clap*

 Well done, sir. :)

 Best,
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Good one, but how about creation?

http://www.pi.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/creation.html

Cheers!

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Re: 1 file system, 2 drives?

2010-07-26 Thread Rich






From: Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 1:41:19 PM
Subject: RE: 1 file system, 2 drives?

From my experience (YMMV), most RAID controllers will NOT redistribute the 
existing data/files onto the newly added drives.  So, if you have a (3) drive 
RAID5 your file exists on all three drives, as does the parity data.  If you 
add 
(2) drives, your original files will not be on the new drives.  New files WILL 
use all (5) drives.  IMHO it's best to backup the data (twice), create a new 
volume on the new RAID, and restore the data.  That said, maybe better/newer 
RAID controllers will redistribute / balance existing data across all drives 
in 
the array - I don't know for sure.  Either way, backup your data - twice!  And 
make sure it can be restored!  Just because the backup app SAYS it's OK, it's 
NOT OK until it can be successfully restored!

Also, if you go from (7) drives to (3), your I/O may suffer.  Newer faster 
drives MAY make up the difference, or make up enough of it that it won't impact 
your client.  Just be aware this is a potential issue.  Generally speaking more 
spindles = more I/O's / sec.

G

Generally speaking more spindles = more I/O's / sec.

and more chance for failure. After a certain point adding more drives to a 
RAID0 
stripe doesn't buy you anything because the first one is ready for the next 
command before you get very far down the line.




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From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org 
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of John Almberg
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 3:31 PM
To: Chuck Swiger
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: 1 file system, 2 drives?


 If you have hardware controller with RAID capabilities, using native RAID is 
better, otherwise look towards gvinum or maybe ccd; see also:

I've just been reading up on RAID in my Absolute FreeBSD book, and it 
occurs to me that my client has a SCSI RAID drive chassis that he is 
using stupidly...

It's a 14 bay drive, and he's currently got seven 32G drives stuck in 
it, configured with RAID-0. This is the original 200G drive I was 
talking about. It's a few years old.

Over the next few years, this guy is going to need lots of storage for 
his videos.

After a bit of reading, I'm wondering if the best idea might be to toss 
out those 32G drives and replace them with 3 big (say, 300G) drives 
configured with RAID-5. It sounds to me like a RAID-5 array can be 
expanded by adding new drives.

QUESTION: is expansion normally a matter of just plugging in a new 
drive? Is the new drive automatically grafted onto the old drives? Or do 
you have to go through a process like, backing up the data, plugging in 
the new drive, reformatting the expanded array of drives, and restoring 
the data.

I don't know the brand/model of the RAID drive chassis, but the client 
thinks it can be switched to use RAID 5. I'm waiting for the technical 
details, but assuming it can handle RAID-5 for now.

Thanks: John
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Re: I donot like using mergemaster ?

2010-07-26 Thread zaxis

that's great ! I will use /etc/mergemaster.rc to upgrade my FB 8.0.


Mike Clarke-17 wrote:
 
 On Monday 26 July 2010, zaxis wrote:
 
 I want to upgrade my freebsd 8.0  to 8.1.  I have read all the steps
 about upgrading freebsd. I feel mergemaster  is difficult to use e.g.
 which parameters should i use ?   (you may wish to use -U or -ai or
 -Fi)
 
 I have the following in /etc/mergemaster.rc instead of having to 
 remember the command line options each time:
 
 # Install the new file if it differs only by VCS Id (-F)
 FREEBSD_ID=yes
 #
 # Automatically upgrade files that have not been user modified (-U)
 AUTO_UPGRADE=yes
 #
 # Automatically install files not on the system already (-i)
 AUTO_INSTALL=yes
 #
 # Preserve files that you replace
 PRESERVE_FILES=yes
 #
 # Delete stale files in /etc/rc.d without prompting
 DELETE_STALE_RC_FILES=yes
 #
 # Compare /etc/rc.conf[.local] to /etc/defaults/rc.conf (-C)
 COMP_CONFS=yes
 #
 ##
 # The following options have no command line overrides
 ##
 #
 # Files to always avoid comparing
 IGNORE_FILES='/etc/motd /etc/printcap'
 #
 # Additional options for diff.  This will get unset when using -s.
 DIFF_OPTIONS='-Bb' # Ignore changes in whitespace
 
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Re: problem with ffmpeg port

2010-07-26 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:07 AM, John Francis Lee j...@robinlea.com wrote:
 Thanks... I did that and ffmpeg did install!

 But...

 [...@28amen ~/www/robinlea.com]$ ffmpeg -i introduction.wav introduction.mp3
 FFmpeg version 0.6, Copyright (c) 2000-2010 the FFmpeg developers
  built on Jul 26 2010 22:42:00 with gcc 3.4.6 [FreeBSD] 20060305
  configuration: --prefix=/usr/local --mandir=/usr/local/man
 --enable-shared --enable-gpl --enable-postproc --enable-avfilter
 --enable-avfilter-lavf --enable-pthreads --enable-x11grab
 --enable-memalign-hack --cc=cc
 --extra-cflags=-I/usr/local/include/vorbis -I/usr/local/include
 --extra-ldflags=-L/usr/local/lib --extra-libs=-pthread --disable-debug
 --disable-sse --disable-mmx --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-version3
 --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-version3 --enable-libdirac
 --enable-libfaac --enable-nonfree --enable-libfaad --enable-libfaadbin
 --enable-libgsm --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libopenjpeg
 --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora
 --enable-libvorbis --enable-libx264 --enable-libxvid
  libavutil     50.15. 1 / 50.15. 1
  libavcodec    52.72. 2 / 52.72. 2
  libavformat   52.64. 2 / 52.64. 2
  libavdevice   52. 2. 0 / 52. 2. 0
  libavfilter    1.19. 0 /  1.19. 0
  libswscale     0.11. 0 /  0.11. 0
  libpostproc   51. 2. 0 / 51. 2. 0
 Bus error: 10 (core dumped)

Hmmm... did you get a ffmpeg.core? If so, what does
  $ gdb `which ffmpeg` ffmpeg.core
followed by 'bt' say? (backtrace)

(that's two backquotes around which ffmeg)

You may also have some confusion w.r.t. shared libraries.
Have a look at
  $ ldd `which ffmpeg`
If you see one library with two different versions in this list,
your ffmpeg will likely dump core because it is linked
against incompatible libraries.

Of course, it could also be something entirely unrelated
and different.

 I had had a look at the manpage for portupgrade and saw a reference to

  pkgdb -F

 So I ran that I and noticed a duplicated origin for archivers/xz :

  Duplicated origin: archivers/xz - lzmautils-4.32.7 xz-4.999.9_1

 and so unregistered lzmautils-4.32.7

 then

  cd /ports/multimedia/ffmpeg
  sudo make deinstall
  sudo make install

Have you recompiled ffmpeg after removing lzmautils-4.32.7?
In the listing above, it looks like you simply reinstalled the already
compiled ffmpeg (compiled prior to cleaning up lzmautils that is)?

 but ffmpeg still dumps core.

 Any further suggestions?


-cpghost.

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Re: 1 file system, 2 drives?

2010-07-26 Thread Gary Gatten
Agreed with single user or sequential I/O systems, but with highly concurrent 
random I/O, more is better. At some point with enough users even sequential I/O 
becomes random.


From: Rich rl...@pacbell.net
To: Gary Gatten
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Mon Jul 26 19:57:28 2010
Subject: Re: 1 file system, 2 drives?




From: Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 1:41:19 PM
Subject: RE: 1 file system, 2 drives?

From my experience (YMMV), most RAID controllers will NOT redistribute the 
existing data/files onto the newly added drives.  So, if you have a (3) drive 
RAID5 your file exists on all three drives, as does the parity data.  If you 
add (2) drives, your original files will not be on the new drives.  New files 
WILL use all (5) drives.  IMHO it's best to backup the data (twice), create a 
new volume on the new RAID, and restore the data.  That said, maybe 
better/newer RAID controllers will redistribute / balance existing data across 
all drives in the array - I don't know for sure.  Either way, backup your data 
- twice!  And make sure it can be restored!  Just because the backup app SAYS 
it's OK, it's NOT OK until it can be successfully restored!

Also, if you go from (7) drives to (3), your I/O may suffer.  Newer faster 
drives MAY make up the difference, or make up enough of it that it won't impact 
your client.  Just be aware this is a potential issue.  Generally speaking more 
spindles = more I/O's / sec.

G

Generally speaking more spindles = more I/O's / sec.

and more chance for failure. After a certain point adding more drives to a 
RAID0 stripe doesn't buy you anything because the first one is ready for the 
next command before you get very far down the line.




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From: 
owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.orgmailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org 
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.orgmailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org]
 On Behalf Of John Almberg
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 3:31 PM
To: Chuck Swiger
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.orgmailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: 1 file system, 2 drives?


 If you have hardware controller with RAID capabilities, using native RAID is 
 better, otherwise look towards gvinum or maybe ccd; see also:

I've just been reading up on RAID in my Absolute FreeBSD book, and it
occurs to me that my client has a SCSI RAID drive chassis that he is
using stupidly...

It's a 14 bay drive, and he's currently got seven 32G drives stuck in
it, configured with RAID-0. This is the original 200G drive I was
talking about. It's a few years old.

Over the next few years, this guy is going to need lots of storage for
his videos.

After a bit of reading, I'm wondering if the best idea might be to toss
out those 32G drives and replace them with 3 big (say, 300G) drives
configured with RAID-5. It sounds to me like a RAID-5 array can be
expanded by adding new drives.

QUESTION: is expansion normally a matter of just plugging in a new
drive? Is the new drive automatically grafted onto the old drives? Or do
you have to go through a process like, backing up the data, plugging in
the new drive, reformatting the expanded array of drives, and restoring
the data.

I don't know the brand/model of the RAID drive chassis, but the client
thinks it can be switched to use RAID 5. I'm waiting for the technical
details, but assuming it can handle RAID-5 for now.

Thanks: John
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Re: BSD logo

2010-07-26 Thread Neal Hogan
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
 On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:22:21 -0500, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote:
 No . . . not you . . . Polytropon! The end of the world must be coming
 (Revelations-1.0).

 Do *NOT* tempt me. Okay, you did. And this is what will happen:
 It turns this thread into a bottomless pit of nonsense, but well,
 you asked for it. :-)


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          dP8I   the fifth version,  and so,  the Programmers
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        dP    88   by Shell  Ethra  Joygalion,  to the house of
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       d   better list to  Kerneygham and the tank pool
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 dP  ,8P      Y8   they the list messages, yea, and placed they
 Yb,_,dP       `8b, the bits in little bit buckets.  Here endeth
  Y8P         `Y8 the lesson.                      (Pal 8:256)


Amen

P.S. -- Please, let's not get into the proper pronounciation of this as well ;-)
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apps update from ports

2010-07-26 Thread claudiu vasadi
Hello fellas,

I was wondering about your update strategy. Do you update your apps as soon
as a new version is available in the ports ? Or do you follow the if it
works, don't touch it strategy ?

I'm guessing portupgrade is your preferred way of doing this hence, do you
also choose -P or -PP ?
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