Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0
В Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:35:14 +0200 Ivan Klymenko fi...@ukr.net пишет: В Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:09:30 -0500 Kris Moore k...@pcbsd.org пишет: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 08:47:00PM +0200, Ivan Klymenko wrote: Hello! People. I use the alternate installer pc-sysinstall based on FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT r215176 When you load the virtual machine qemu disk ad0 is determined by: http://img573.imageshack.us/i/qemu1.png/ but when trying to create a section displays the following error: http://img80.imageshack.us/i/qemu.png/ Think all options for gpart are correct - what can there be a problem? Thanks! The gpart syntax looks correct, and ad0 is being used elsewhere in your install process successfully. Is this a fresh disk / image? Perhaps something has broken in the gpart command? Thank you! Now try to recreate the virtual disk ... But it did not help avoid the problem :( ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0
On 13.11.2010 10:34, Ivan Klymenko wrote: Hmm, are you sure that your kernel is based on r215176? no doubt! :) Do you use custom ISO image? Can you mount it and show output of command: # ident /mnt/boot/kernel/kernel.symbols | grep g_part.c -- WBR, Andrey V. Elsukov signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Ryan Coleman ryan.cole...@cwis.biz wrote: On Nov 13, 2010, at 1:08 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:08:51 -0500 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 Yes, I think we know that by now. -- Bruce Cran It's part of my signature it's not like I am spamming *just* my sig to the list. And my friends all got a kick out of it when I shared it. Not all are FreeBSD fans but all hate Windows 2K the same :) I'm glad it amused them, as that is it's purpose. -- Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:08:02 -0500 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: It's part of my signature it's not like I am spamming *just* my sig to the list. Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions The problem is that it's part of the main block of text and as such is rather offputting. If you want it to be your signature it should be separated from the main block of text somehow - preferably by the signature separator (-- followed by a newline). -- Bruce Cran Ya know, I have it there, but for some reason, GMail/Google Apps Keeps omitting it, I've resorted to manually putting it in when I move my sig from the the top of the message body. -- Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 01:06:55AM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: What would you have me do -- beat a live horse? I'm not inclined to subject a living creature to such cruelty. Is beating a dead horse no more cruel? Do dead horses have feelings? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] I would imagine not, but the spirit of the dead horse might. And it would suck if that spirit were to come back as an ugly 8ft fly-thing with a really bad attitude and a grudge. Poor Aurthur...Just can't catch a break! -- Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0
В Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:02:08 -0800 Garrett Cooper gcoo...@freebsd.org пишет: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Kris Moore k...@pcbsd.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 08:47:00PM +0200, Ivan Klymenko wrote: Hello! People. I use the alternate installer pc-sysinstall based on FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT r215176 When you load the virtual machine qemu disk ad0 is determined by: http://img573.imageshack.us/i/qemu1.png/ but when trying to create a section displays the following error: http://img80.imageshack.us/i/qemu.png/ Think all options for gpart are correct - what can there be a problem? Thanks! The gpart syntax looks correct, and ad0 is being used elsewhere in your install process successfully. Is this a fresh disk / image? Perhaps something has broken in the gpart command? According to the gpart(8) manpage, the invocation is correct. It'd be interesting to see what the log displayed yields, but before then have you tried kern.geom.debugflags=16? no. after booting the system immediately executed script pc-sysinstall now try to force the kern.geom.debugflags = 16 before running pc-sysinstall I did a quick scan of lib/libgeom and sys/geom, and all of the places (minus one) that returned EINVAL were due to incorrect sector size. What are you using for your disk? Thanks, -Garrett I'm afraid I do not quite understand the essence last question ... : ( I created a virtual disk command: qemu-img create name_disk.img 40G All the breakdown of disk partitions running script pc-sysinstall in accordance with my config file pcinstall.cfg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0
В Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:01:36 +0300 Andrey V. Elsukov bu7c...@yandex.ru пишет: On 13.11.2010 10:34, Ivan Klymenko wrote: Hmm, are you sure that your kernel is based on r215176? no doubt! :) Do you use custom ISO image? yes. Can you mount it and show output of command: # ident /mnt/boot/kernel/kernel.symbols | grep g_part.c Once mounted iso image of my drive to /mnt ident error: /mnt/boot/kernel/kernel.symbols: No such file or directory because this file (kernel.symbols) is really not in the iso image... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0
On 13.11.2010 11:25, Ivan Klymenko wrote: Once mounted iso image of my drive to /mnt ident error: /mnt/boot/kernel/kernel.symbols: No such file or directory because this file (kernel.symbols) is really not in the iso image... So, I can not reproduce this error. And I still think that you use older revision and you should rebuild your ISO image with fresh sources. -- WBR, Andrey V. Elsukov signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0
В Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:34:12 +0300 Andrey V. Elsukov bu7c...@yandex.ru пишет: On 13.11.2010 11:25, Ivan Klymenko wrote: Once mounted iso image of my drive to /mnt ident error: /mnt/boot/kernel/kernel.symbols: No such file or directory because this file (kernel.symbols) is really not in the iso image... So, I can not reproduce this error. And I still think that you use older revision and you should rebuild your ISO image with fresh sources. well ... but it will take a little time ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0
On 13.11.2010 11:40, Ivan Klymenko wrote: So, I can not reproduce this error. And I still think that you use older revision and you should rebuild your ISO image with fresh sources. well ... but it will take a little time ... Just a note - as you may see from tinderbox's emails at the moment building of fresh current is broken :) -- WBR, Andrey V. Elsukov signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0
В Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:49:29 +0300 Andrey V. Elsukov bu7c...@yandex.ru пишет: On 13.11.2010 11:40, Ivan Klymenko wrote: So, I can not reproduce this error. And I still think that you use older revision and you should rebuild your ISO image with fresh sources. well ... but it will take a little time ... Just a note - as you may see from tinderbox's emails at the moment building of fresh current is broken :) Thanks! I saw it - watch for the mailing too ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0
В Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:38:16 +0300 Andrey V. Elsukov bu7c...@yandex.ru пишет: On 12.11.2010 21:47, Ivan Klymenko wrote: http://img80.imageshack.us/i/qemu.png/ Think all options for gpart are correct - what can there be a problem? This was temporary regression and it is fixed now in r215118. In any case it is harmless. I am ashamed ... :( You were right! I have an ISO audit r215110 ... Is the current system on a PC r215176 now try to rebuild the ISO it ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:06:55 -0500 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net articulated: Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I am now creating a kill filter for this poster. If he isn't smart enough to figure out how to properly enter his factually incorrect, obsolete and well worn codicil to every message correctly; i.e, after the sig-delimiter, then I have not the time not inclination to read his dribble. Attention Chris Brennan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block http://email.about.com/od/emailsignaturenetiquette/qt/Use_the_Standard_Email_Signature_Delimiter.htm -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
2010/11/12 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! José Silveira ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I never thought this kind of mail could spawn 70 answers in only two days. It takes useless storage for nothing. You are wasting your time answering this imho :-). -- Demelier David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could
different Windowses they offer. But ultimately their decision will depend on market interest. Here's the contact info if you want to voice your interest: http://www.rackspacecloud.com/aboutus/contact A Xen expert says you could order a Windows VM and overwrite it with 64 bit FreeBSD and that will work but it's not the ideal solution. the ideal solution is not to use VM-style services at all. i'm not sure in what country you live but getting a place with usable network where you can put your own computer isn't even a problem in Poland which is said to have poor connectivity ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work
nobody knows? or just this mail was missed within hundreds of trash about why devil is a mascot or tips for installing windows. I have motherboard with total 8 SATA ports but seems it's broken as i'm having regular server hangs after heavy disk I/O, usually with messages about disconnected AHCI device. cables ARE OK. i bought extra controllers - 2 2-port PCIe based on said chipset. to make things more strange - 2 of 8 motherboard SATA ports ARE JMB363 based too! on motherboard ports are all detected by AHCI driver. THE same chips on cards are NOT detected as AHCI. pciconv shows they are in ATA/RAID mode. But builtin controller BIOS does not allow setting it in AHCI mode. tried ata/atadisk driver - it doesn't attach disk at all, but just waits 15 seconds on each port where disk is connected at boot. Disks ARE properly attached, as cards BIOS shows them up properly. How can FreeBSD be set up to simply force switching to AHCI mode on that chips? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0
В Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:03:00 +0200 Ivan Klymenko fi...@ukr.net пишет: В Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:38:16 +0300 Andrey V. Elsukov bu7c...@yandex.ru пишет: On 12.11.2010 21:47, Ivan Klymenko wrote: http://img80.imageshack.us/i/qemu.png/ Think all options for gpart are correct - what can there be a problem? This was temporary regression and it is fixed now in r215118. In any case it is harmless. I am ashamed ... :( You were right! I have an ISO audit r215110 ... Is the current system on a PC r215176 now try to rebuild the ISO it I rebuild the ISO image based on r215176 and gpart did not return an error. Thank you all! Topic can be closed. :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:57:13 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: the ideal solution is not to use VM-style services at all. i'm not sure in what country you live but getting a place with usable network where you can put your own computer isn't even a problem in Poland which is said to have poor connectivity It's not necessarily ideal due to cost and power usage: VMs are substantially cheaper and utilise the host machine a lot more efficiently. For example with the company I use, a dedicated server costs £60 per month to host whereas a VM is just £15. Hosting on a DSL line is out of the question due to both latency and reliability. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could
Also you can make an official vote for freebsd at http://feedback.rackspacecloud.com/forums/71021-product-feedback and then search for freebsd On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Aryeh Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com wrote: Thats good news because currently we have a gentoo machine with them (the closest linux distro to FreeBSD in philosophy and implementation) and since i have been a big FB user for years I have already told them we would like to switch if they offered the option On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Tom Worster f...@thefsb.org wrote: I got a somewhat encouraging response from Rackspace when I asked if they were going to offer FreeBSD in addition to the 17 different Linuxes and 5 different Windowses they offer. But ultimately their decision will depend on market interest. Here's the contact info if you want to voice your interest: http://www.rackspacecloud.com/aboutus/contact A Xen expert says you could order a Windows VM and overwrite it with 64 bit FreeBSD and that will work but it's not the ideal solution. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mergemaster comparing everything.
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Leon Me?ner wrote: Hi, is there a trick besides using the rcs funktion of mergemaster to get around having to look at every file in /etc for comparison? I know there once was a bug in mergemaster but it's closed for a long time now. Example: *** Displaying differences between ./etc/periodic/daily/300.calendar and installed version: --- /etc/periodic/daily/300.calendar2010-07-29 12:54:42.0 +0200 +++ ./etc/periodic/daily/300.calendar 2010-11-12 17:06:33.0 +0100 @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ #!/bin/sh # -# $FreeBSD: src/etc/periodic/daily/300.calendar,v 1.5.36.1.4.1 2010/06/14 02:09:06 kensmith Exp $ +# $FreeBSD: src/etc/periodic/daily/300.calendar,v 1.5.36.1 2009/08/03 08:13:06 kensmith Exp $ # # `calendar -a' needs to die. Why? Because it's a bad idea, particular # with networked home directories, but also in general. If you want # the 90% of the differences are just in this cvs? tag lines. This is an upgrade from 8.1 to -STABLE. Greetings, Leon Check out the man page version 8 with FBSD there are many options. I tossed a script I wrote in favor of the following in /etc/mergemaster.rc: # Automatically install files that do not exist AUTO_INSTALL='yes' # Automatically upgrade files that have not been edited AUTO_UPGRADE='yes' # Ignore files that I don't want changed #IGNORE_FILES='/etc/motd' # Do not display changes that only affect whitespace #DIFF_FLAG='.Bub' # Ignore CVS id lines to stop replacing files where only that line has changed DIFF_OPTIONS='-I$FreeBSD:.*[$]' With apologizes to whoever first posted this, I did not save the name. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could
Thats good news because currently we have a gentoo machine with them (the closest linux distro to FreeBSD in philosophy and implementation) and since i have been a big FB user for years I have already told them we would like to switch if they offered the option On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Tom Worster f...@thefsb.org wrote: I got a somewhat encouraging response from Rackspace when I asked if they were going to offer FreeBSD in addition to the 17 different Linuxes and 5 different Windowses they offer. But ultimately their decision will depend on market interest. Here's the contact info if you want to voice your interest: http://www.rackspacecloud.com/aboutus/contact A Xen expert says you could order a Windows VM and overwrite it with 64 bit FreeBSD and that will work but it's not the ideal solution. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:58:03 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@tensor.gdynia.pl articulated: I have motherboard with total 8 SATA ports but seems it's broken as i'm having regular server hangs after heavy disk I/O, usually with messages about disconnected AHCI device. cables ARE OK. i bought extra controllers - 2 2-port PCIe based on said chipset. to make things more strange - 2 of 8 motherboard SATA ports ARE JMB363 based too! on motherboard ports are all detected by AHCI driver. THE same chips on cards are NOT detected as AHCI. pciconv shows they are in ATA/RAID mode. But builtin controller BIOS does not allow setting it in AHCI mode. tried ata/atadisk driver - it doesn't attach disk at all, but just waits 15 seconds on each port where disk is connected at boot. Disks ARE properly attached, as cards BIOS shows them up properly. How can FreeBSD be set up to simply force switching to AHCI mode on that chips? nobody knows? or just this mail was missed within hundreds of trash about why devil is a mascot or tips for installing windows. Except for the top Posting (corrected) faux pas, that is the best answer I have seen here in quite awhile. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ When the going gets tough, the tough go shopping. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Friday 12 November 2010 23:27:42 Mubeesh ali wrote: i guess it is high time this list bans the word devil in subject ;-) Let's hack the term and use lucifer instead! -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winfoes FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010, Mario Lobo wrote: On Friday 12 November 2010 23:27:42 Mubeesh ali wrote: i guess it is high time this list bans the word devil in subject ;-) Let's hack the term and use lucifer instead! -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winfoes FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Its Beelzebub, the daemon. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On 13.11.2010 15:59, Mario Lobo wrote: On Friday 12 November 2010 23:27:42 Mubeesh ali wrote: i guess it is high time this list bans the word devil in subject ;-) Let's hack the term and use lucifer instead! Can we add this once-a-month question about Beastie to either the FAQ or the resources for newbies on the website? //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Fwd: Fw: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
-- Forwarded message -- From: Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Date: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 6:05 AM Subject: Fw: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? To: Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net Has anyone gotten repeated forwards from the above user or is it just me? -- Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On 11/12/10 7:18 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:57:46 -0800, Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net wrote: On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 15:44:01 PST Chris Brennan wrote: Must we continue to beat this already dead horse? Apparently the answer is yes, when we're not beating the equally dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate. Why vs? It's and. So let's have the vs vs and debate. isn't that where Derrida wrote the book? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work
that chips? nobody knows? or just this mail was missed within hundreds of trash about why devil is a mascot or tips for installing windows. Except for the top Posting (corrected) faux pas, that is the best answer I have seen here in quite awhile. hmmm... didn't expect much more. just waste of time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On 11/12/10 6:44 PM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: I think it's safe to say that either a) Mr. Silveira has unsubscribed from the list or b) learned to keep his mouth shut and scampered off into the dark to learn the proper netiquette of this list. Must we continue to beat this already dead horse? in his most recent email to me, José Silveira signed off with: Finally, I am very happy to not to be part of freeBSD community. i admit i'm happy about that too. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could
if i used farcebook, i might start a campaign page to drum up support for freebsd on rackspace cloud. any takers? On 11/13/10 9:20 AM, Aryeh Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com wrote: Thats good news because currently we have a gentoo machine with them (the closest linux distro to FreeBSD in philosophy and implementation) and since i have been a big FB user for years I have already told them we would like to switch if they offered the option On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Tom Worster f...@thefsb.org wrote: I got a somewhat encouraging response from Rackspace when I asked if they were going to offer FreeBSD in addition to the 17 different Linuxes and 5 different Windowses they offer. But ultimately their decision will depend on market interest. Here's the contact info if you want to voice your interest: http://www.rackspacecloud.com/aboutus/contact A Xen expert says you could order a Windows VM and overwrite it with 64 bit FreeBSD and that will work but it's not the ideal solution. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could
On 11/13/10 8:57 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: different Windowses they offer. But ultimately their decision will depend on market interest. Here's the contact info if you want to voice your interest: http://www.rackspacecloud.com/aboutus/contact A Xen expert says you could order a Windows VM and overwrite it with 64 bit FreeBSD and that will work but it's not the ideal solution. the ideal solution is not to use VM-style services at all. i'm not sure in what country you live but getting a place with usable network where you can put your own computer isn't even a problem in Poland which is said to have poor connectivity in my situation, the ideal solution is not dedicated servers. that's what i'm using now and implementing the fault tolerance, high availability and load sharing requirements is very expensive this way. the RS could _appears_ (from my reading of the sales blurbs) to allow me to get much farther down that road within the current budget. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
Hello Charlie Kester, Am 2010-11-12 16:22:26, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 16:05:33 PST Gary Gatten wrote: Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat: M$ vs Novell Unix vs Linux Mainframe vs PC DAS vs SAN Top-posting vs Bottom posting Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada OK, I'll play: Gnome vs KDE Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's) GPL vs BSDL C vs any other programming language Debian vs. FreeBSD. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsyst...@tdnet France EURL itsyst...@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
Hello Liontaur, Am 2010-11-12 23:55:22, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: I was just thinking about how much better vi is compared to emacs ;) Thats normaly, because emacs is an Operating System which lakes an editor Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsyst...@tdnet France EURL itsyst...@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:19:34 -0700
From: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com
Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 06:10:54PM -0800, Rob Farmer wrote:
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 16:09, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wr=
ote:
An _individual_ application may allow scripting via an internal command=
language,
but since it is internal to the app, and *not* part of the GUI, it does=
n't
'generalize' (no guarantee that similar capability is present in any ot=
her app)
*AND* is utterly worthless for 'automating' annything that involves mor=
e than
the single app.
=20
The CLI doesn't generalize either. How many ways are there to get
input into a program?
You might be surprised by how many different ways of getting data into a
program can be accomplished with a simple Perl idiom like this:
while () {
}
It gets pretty generalized in a hurry.
On the other hand, 99% of GUI apps that handle files have a File
Open dialog that is provided via a toolkit and works the same
everywhere.
=2E . . and it is shortly after that point that things get very specific,
and non-general.
Not to mention the fact that you _cannot_ specify anything _but_ a 'file'
as the source of the data to be handled. Want to read it from a mag tape?
Can't do it. Want to read directly from a serial port? =Can't= do it.
Want to read directly from the keyboard? *Can't* do it. Want to get the
input directly from another program, _without_ using an intermediate file?
CANT' do it. The GUI open dialog doesn't allow for that kind of flexibility.
In a pure GUI environment, if there =isn't= an _existing_ button/menu-item/
selection-list action for it, you _cannot_ do the operation.
This is, not incidentally, why _pure_ GUI environments have gone the way of
the dodo bird, except for some fixed-scope production uses.
EVERYBODY _today_ realizes a GUI _alone_ is 'inadequate' for 'general purpose'
use, and proivdes -- at a mnimum, an escape to a command-line, where you can
do 'anything'. e.g. the MS Windows run item on the start menu.
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:08:51PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 I like this one - though you could update if from W 2000 to a more current one. jerry -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 04:08:00PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: i guess it is high time this list bans the word devil in subject ;-) Can we add this once-a-month question about Beastie to either the FAQ or the resources for newbies on the website? Now that is a good idea. jerry //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:37:48 -0500 Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu articulated: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 04:08:00PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: i guess it is high time this list bans the word devil in subject ;-) Can we add this once-a-month question about Beastie to either the FAQ or the resources for newbies on the website? Now that is a good idea. That would be a waste of time. You would be working under the totally unproven assumption that it would actually be read or adhered to. Now, if this forum were open only to subscribers and when they subscribed this info was presented in the welcome message and if they were forewarned that even thinking about asking this question of the forum would result in their banishment from the forum, then perhaps you might have a working solution. I give Wietse a lot of credit for the way he runs his Postfix forum. Continuing a post after its usefulness has waned, or asking unrelated questions, etc. can and does get you banished from the group. Maybe it is time to get a moderator with a set for this forum. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
/usr/ports/mail/mutt broken ?
Hello everybody, just tried to build /usr/ports/mail/mutt but surprisingly got stuck with an Error 1 though the ports collectionis updated and well maintained: m_err -lcrypto -lasn1 -lroken -lcrypt -lssl -lcrypto -lintl -liconv -liconv muttlib.o(.text+0x12f2): In function `mutt_mktemp': : warning: warning: mktemp() possibly used unsafely; consider using mkstemp() /usr/lib/libhx509.so: undefined reference to `MD2_Init' /usr/lib/libhx509.so: undefined reference to `MD2_Final' /usr/lib/libhx509.so: undefined reference to `MD2_Update' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt/work/mutt-1.4.2.3. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt/work/mutt-1.4.2.3. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt/work/mutt-1.4.2.3. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt. Any ideas on what could be done ? Thanks a lot in advance Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:01:22 -0500 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: I give Wietse a lot of credit for the way he runs his Postfix forum. Continuing a post after its usefulness has waned, or asking unrelated questions, etc. can and does get you banished from the group. Maybe it is time to get a moderator with a set for this forum. The NTDEV list has another way of dealing with these issues: a thread can get locked if it strays off-topic or becomes otherwise useless, preventing further follow-ups. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:37:48 -0500, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 04:08:00PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: Can we add this once-a-month question about Beastie to either the FAQ or the resources for newbies on the website? Now that is a good idea. jerry And when someone asks this question, somebody refer them to said FAQ and THAT'S IT, instead of this huge list of people saying oh no, not this again, debates on religion, on whether or not the OP is a troll, and some outright insulting and rude responses. Please, everyone, the next time somebody asks this question, refer to the FAQ (which needs amended,) respond off-list, or not at all. Brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Re[2]: How to obtain what swi1:net is doing?
2010/11/13 Коньков Евгений kes-...@yandex.ru: IV net.isr.direct_force=0 IV net.isr.maxthreads=2 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) x 2 SMT threads cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 4 cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 5 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 6 ioapic0 Version 2.0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard netisr_init: forcing maxthreads to 1 and bindthreads to 0 for device polling # cat /boot/loader.conf net.isr.maxthreads=2 maxthreads does not affected I don't understand: how is it not affected? On a system with maxthreads=2, here is how it shows: betelgeuse:/home/ivoras# ps axuHc | grep isr root 12 3.0 0.0 0 432 ?? WL 12:21PM 0:09.21 intr/swi1: netisr 7 root 12 0.0 0.0 0 432 ?? WL 12:21PM 0:00.00 intr/swi1: netisr 0 I.e. there are two threads here, bound to CPU cores 0 and 7. #uname -r 9.0-CURRENT Yes, multithreaded netisr was introduced in FreeBSD 8, it wasn't there in 7. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
Bruce Cran writes: The NTDEV list has another way of dealing with these issues: a thread can get locked if it strays off-topic or becomes otherwise useless, preventing further follow-ups. That would require a level of active moderation I don't remember seeing here. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Nov 11 23:20:20 2010 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:21:51 -0800 From: Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 17:19, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: This isn't really a GUI problem, because the issue is the file format changing such that your .bat no longer worked. If you retained the original format or fixed the script, it would still work fine. Actually, my understanding was that the problem was someone refused to type a simple command, and would rather make a series of seven clicks thirty times while babysitting the application, and had no conception of the benefits of letting more than one person work in parallel on a given task. =A0It wasn't the file format that changed; it was someone's toleran= ce for using a keyboard instead of a mouse. =A0This is the kind of thinking that leads to the Mac defaulting to a mouse with only one button. Well, our info about this situation is limited, so it is hard to say exactly what happened. What hapened was a new 'senior-level' employee was 'offended' at the thought of having to use 'obselete' tools that he was unfamilair with, and bitched and moaned until management 'bought' Windows, and Windows apps, to 'shut h im up'. Switching to a GUI doesn't preclude multiple people working in parallel, which is why I think the file format or whatever changed too, and that was really the problem. Au Contraire, WINDOWS *itself* forbids more than one application from having the same file open forworking on. Said employee _demanded_ a GUI-based application. The 'obselete' tool in effective production use did not exist in a windows version. Since said employee bundled all the formerly separate worksheets into a _single_ workbook, *his* action, combined with Windows enforcement of only _single-user_access_ to a given file, precluded multiple people working on _anything_ in the workbook at the same time. That wasn't the fault of the GUI environment, per se, it merely facilitated the self-centered intrests of the above-mentioned employee. Top Management was a bunch of idiots. they let him get away with this, and more -- he moved 'his' workhook _off_ the company servers, and kept it _exclusively_ on his personal laptop. His excuse -- that way he could work on it 'at home', too. But the company no longer had a copy of _their_ production data. My reading of the anecdote was that the batch file was indeed easy to use, The batch file approach was _so_ easy to use, that the company _secretary_ would produce a custoized variation of it every week. Each line was a 'magic incantation' that was simly copied, followed by a file name. Compare that to what is necessary _today_ to use a COM or .NET automation interface. but it no longer worked when the GUI switch was made. Again, that isn't really a reflection on the GUI, since there are ways to automate this kind of thing (for Windows, AutoIt was mentioned, plus there are probably solutions that are more native to the application). There were *NO* automation options at the time (Early Win95 days). The necessary 'hooks' DID NOT EXIST in either the application *OR* the GUI. So said MICROSOFT themselves. I'm not saying the CLI is universally bad - if you gain competence with a set of programs that you use frequently, it can be very efficient. It does make it hard to enter a new area, though - you've got to learn some before you can do anything. That can pay off, if you keep using that program, but if it is a one-off or occasional thing (like the svn tagging example earlier in this thread), it's probably not worthwhile. While you argue that it increases flexibility, which is true in some ways, it also decreases flexibility by limiting me to the programs I know or am willing to read documentation for. I never read documentation for GUI programs - I jump right in and look through the menus to find what I need or realize the program isn't adequate If the program _itself_ isn't on a button or a menu item, you can't use it from *within* the GUI.You have to go to a command-line to invoke it. Got any idea how many executables there are on a MS-Windows system? and how _few_ of the are accessible from the CUI interface? OH, ecuse me, you *can't* tell can you, there's no GUI tool that would give you that information. On my Windows XP box -- admittedly loaded with software development tools -- the answer to the first question is that there are over NINE THOUSAND executables that can be invoked by name. I estimate that _less_ _than_ 10% of that number are _directly_ accessible through the Windows GUI. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:48:40 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: Au Contraire, WINDOWS *itself* forbids more than one application from having the same file open forworking on. Wrong. Windows *itself* doesn't care - lots of applications just don't specify FILE_SHARE_WRITE: An application also uses CreateFile to specify whether it wants to share the file for reading, writing, both, or neither. This is known as the sharing mode. An open file that is not shared (dwShareMode set to zero) cannot be opened again, either by the application that opened it or by another application, until its handle has been closed. This is also referred to as exclusive access. from http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa363874%28VS.85%29.aspx -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:36:29PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:08:51PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward I like this one - though you could update if from W 2000 to a more current one. I vote Vista. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpslo7rst0aq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 05:35:13PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello Charlie Kester, Am 2010-11-12 16:22:26, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 16:05:33 PST Gary Gatten wrote: Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat: M$ vs Novell Unix vs Linux Mainframe vs PC DAS vs SAN Top-posting vs Bottom posting Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada OK, I'll play: Gnome vs KDE Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's) GPL vs BSDL C vs any other programming language Debian vs. FreeBSD. I'm shocked -- SHOCKED! -- that there still has not been any mention of vi vs. emacs in this list. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpujc1w0onXv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 05:36:13PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello Liontaur, Am 2010-11-12 23:55:22, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: I was just thinking about how much better vi is compared to emacs ;) Thats normaly, because emacs is an Operating System which lakes an editor s/lakes/lacks/ That's not actually true, you know. Emacs has a passable editor called Viper Mode. It's not ideal, but I suppose beggars can't be choosers. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp6XwazAVVbD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:47:05AM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:19:34 -0700 From: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? =2E . . and it is shortly after that point that things get very specific, and non-general. Not to mention the fact that you _cannot_ specify anything _but_ a 'file' as the source of the data to be handled. Want to read it from a mag tape? Can't do it. Want to read directly from a serial port? =Can't= do it. Want to read directly from the keyboard? *Can't* do it. Want to get the input directly from another program, _without_ using an intermediate file? CANT' do it. The GUI open dialog doesn't allow for that kind of flexibility. In a pure GUI environment, if there =isn't= an _existing_ button/menu-item/ selection-list action for it, you _cannot_ do the operation. This is, not incidentally, why _pure_ GUI environments have gone the way of the dodo bird, except for some fixed-scope production uses. EVERYBODY _today_ realizes a GUI _alone_ is 'inadequate' for 'general purpose' use, and proivdes -- at a mnimum, an escape to a command-line, where you can do 'anything'. e.g. the MS Windows run item on the start menu. I wish it was that simple. Unfortunately, since much of the MS Windows environment was designed *solely* with the GUI in mind, there's a lot of stuff that is not very doable with the run dialog, cmd.exe, command.exe, PowerShell, or even Ypsilon (which, shockingly, is more capable in many ways than PowerShell, even though it's only meant to be a Scheme REPL). -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp9Jn6Ft5lk9.pgp Description: PGP signature
BUG: sysctl net.isr.swi_count negative value
Hi, Freebsd-questions. net.isr.swi_count: -1692211928 as I think count can not be negative. in this case it is. Is this a bug or negative value means some special? -- С уважением, Коньков mailto:kes-...@yandex.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
system utilities job
Hi, Freebsd-questions. why I have different results for re0 interface for interrupt statistic? # vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq1: atkbd0 5 0 irq16: ehci0 84414 1 irq17: atapci0329838 5 irq23: ehci1 112524 2 cpu0:timer 119506195 2125 irq266: re0492258114 8753 cpu3:timer 98445240 1750 cpu1:timer 95782407 1703 cpu2:timer 89616119 1593 Total 896134856 15934 #systat -v 3 usersLoad 0,42 0,51 0,51 13 ноя 19:12 Mem:KBREALVIRTUAL VN PAGER SWAP PAGER Tot Share TotShareFree in out in out Act 860844912 446820 6376 1474852 count All 2076288180 262076832204 pages Proc:Interrupts r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Fltcow 21237 total 40 93k 12 1129 12k 40k 15 1 zfodatkbd0 1 ozfod 1 ehci0 16 2,8%Sys 10,9%Intr 0,0%User 0,0%Nice 86,2%Idle%ozfod10 atapci0 17 ||||||||||| daefr 2 ehci1 23 =++ prcfr 2126 cpu0:timer 30 dtbuf3 totfr 12744 re0 266 Namei Name-cache Dir-cache110674 desvn react 2127 cpu3:timer Callshits %hits % 71986 numvn pdwak 2123 cpu1:timer 7 7 100 27160 frevn pdpgs 2104 cpu2:timer intrn Disks ad4172156 wire KB/t 15,84 49524 act tps 10272900 inact MB/s 0,16 272 cache %busy 0 1474580 free -- С уважением, Коньков mailto:kes-...@yandex.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
How to obtain how much CPU take packet check on ipfw
Hi, Freebsd-questions. How to obtain how much CPU time take packet traversing via firewall? -- С уважением, Коньков mailto:kes-...@yandex.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
top different output
Hi, Freebsd-questions. *pls. redirect to right developers thread in 7.2FreeBSD top show as: 32 root -68- 0K16K WAIT72:24 10.25% irq16: rl0 in 9.0FreeBSD top show as: 12 root 28 -28- 0K 224K WAIT3 223:03 42.77% intr top -SIP in 7 version top has better output because of I can see which interrupt get CPU time, in 9 I can not on both machines # top -v top: version 3.5beta12 -- С уважением, Коньков mailto:kes-...@yandex.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:02:31 + Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk articulated: On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:48:40 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: Au Contraire, WINDOWS *itself* forbids more than one application from having the same file open forworking on. Wrong. Windows *itself* doesn't care - lots of applications just don't specify FILE_SHARE_WRITE: An application also uses CreateFile to specify whether it wants to share the file for reading, writing, both, or neither. This is known as the sharing mode. An open file that is not shared (dwShareMode set to zero) cannot be opened again, either by the application that opened it or by another application, until its handle has been closed. This is also referred to as exclusive access. from http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa363874%28VS.85%29.aspx FUD certainly comes into play here. Microsoft haters will utter any excuse to downplay its GUI. Those naysayers are just as pathetic as those who claim that a CLI is obsolete or overly burdensome. If you want to use a GUI, then use it. If not, then use a CLI or whatever suits your fancy. Honestly, this whole thread has deteriorated to a group of old wash women debating molecular science. The fact that they have not got all their facts correct never caused them to miss a beat. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ I know you think you thought you knew what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you understood what you thought I meant. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Heimdal 1.4 can't open old 0.6.3 database
Hello, because of the unusable base gssapi i switched to using the security/heimdal port. But now my heimdal tools (ipropd-slave, kdc) can't open my old database the error i get is: kdc[5156]: Failed to open database: opening /var/heimdal/heimdal.db: Invalid argument # /usr/local/libexec/kdc --builtin-hdb builtin hdb backends: db:, keytab:, sqlite: # ls -l /var/heimdal total 1856 -rw--- 1 root wheel 1658880 Nov 1 14:27 heimdal.db -rw--- 1 root wheel157706 Nov 12 22:01 log -rw-r- 1 root wheel 10485760 Aug 16 20:06 log.01 -rw--- 1 root wheel83 Aug 7 22:31 m-key # file heimdal.db heimdal.db: Berkeley DB 1.85/1.86 (Btree, version 3, native byte-order) The old heimdal version was 0.6.3 the new: # /usr/local/libexec/kdc --version kdc (Heimdal 1.4) I can't find any information if i have to merge anything or so. The Kerberos docu only talks about MIT to Heimdal or v4 to v5 conversion. thanks, leon ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:18:03 +0100 From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:57:46 -0800, Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net wrote: On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 15:44:01 PST Chris Brennan wrote: Must we continue to beat this already dead horse? Apparently the answer is yes, when we're not beating the equally dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate. Why vs? It's and. So let's have the vs vs and debate. And as we are already on-topic, let's discuss which logical operator is the best, maybe we find an alternative to vs or and... or... yes, what about or? :-) or? NOT!! grin -- For the life of me, I cant think of the movie that -that- catchprase is from. (and Google is _no_ help on a search where capitilzation and/or punctuation matters) was it Bill Teds Excellent Adventure? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On 13.11.2010 21:29, Robert Bonomi wrote: Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:18:03 +0100 From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:57:46 -0800, Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net wrote: On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 15:44:01 PST Chris Brennan wrote: Must we continue to beat this already dead horse? Apparently the answer is yes, when we're not beating the equally dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate. Why vs? It's and. So let's have the vs vs and debate. And as we are already on-topic, let's discuss which logical operator is the best, maybe we find an alternative to vs or and... or... yes, what about or? :-) or? NOT!! grin XOR //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Fri Nov 12 18:34:27 2010 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:22:26 -0800 From: Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net To: 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 16:05:33 PST Gary Gatten wrote: Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat: M$ vs Novell Unix vs Linux Mainframe vs PC DAS vs SAN Top-posting vs Bottom posting Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada OK, I'll play: Gnome vs KDE Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's) GPL vs BSDL C vs any other programming language should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'? (nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c++' to this day) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:48, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Nov 11 23:20:20 2010 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:21:51 -0800 From: Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 17:19, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: This isn't really a GUI problem, because the issue is the file format changing such that your .bat no longer worked. If you retained the original format or fixed the script, it would still work fine. Actually, my understanding was that the problem was someone refused to type a simple command, and would rather make a series of seven clicks thirty times while babysitting the application, and had no conception of the benefits of letting more than one person work in parallel on a given task. =A0It wasn't the file format that changed; it was someone's toleran= ce for using a keyboard instead of a mouse. =A0This is the kind of thinking that leads to the Mac defaulting to a mouse with only one button. Well, our info about this situation is limited, so it is hard to say exactly what happened. What hapened was a new 'senior-level' employee was 'offended' at the thought of having to use 'obselete' tools that he was unfamilair with, and bitched and moaned until management 'bought' Windows, and Windows apps, to 'shut h im up'. Switching to a GUI doesn't preclude multiple people working in parallel, which is why I think the file format or whatever changed too, and that was really the problem. Au Contraire, WINDOWS *itself* forbids more than one application from having the same file open forworking on. As Bruce mentions, that's not true. Besides, that is a great feature, since it prevents files from being modified, moved, deleted, etc. while open in an application that can't handle those things. With older versions of Windows sometimes you could get files stuck in a locked state but I haven't seen that in a while. Said employee _demanded_ a GUI-based application. The 'obselete' tool in effective production use did not exist in a windows version. Since said employee bundled all the formerly separate worksheets into a _single_ workbook, *his* action, combined with Windows enforcement of only _single-user_access_ to a given file, precluded multiple people working on _anything_ in the workbook at the same time. Right, and this isn't a GUI problem - its a problem with combining the documents. What software allows multiple people to open and write to the same file simultaneously without trashing the file or losing data? Many load the whole file into memory then write the whole thing back out, blindly assuming that nothing has changed since. That wasn't the fault of the GUI environment, per se, it merely facilitated the self-centered intrests of the above-mentioned employee. Top Management was a bunch of idiots. they let him get away with this, and more -- he moved 'his' workhook _off_ the company servers, and kept it _exclusively_ on his personal laptop. His excuse -- that way he could work on it 'at home', too. But the company no longer had a copy of _their_ production data. Indeed, so why do you include it as an anti-GUI argument? My reading of the anecdote was that the batch file was indeed easy to use, The batch file approach was _so_ easy to use, that the company _secretary_ would produce a custoized variation of it every week. Each line was a 'magic incantation' that was simly copied, followed by a file name. Compare that to what is necessary _today_ to use a COM or .NET automation interface. You create a script or exe which is double-clicked and does whatever you want. AutoIt was already mentioned. but it no longer worked when the GUI switch was made. Again, that isn't really a reflection on the GUI, since there are ways to automate this kind of thing (for Windows, AutoIt was mentioned, plus there are probably solutions that are more native to the application). There were *NO* automation options at the time (Early Win95 days). The necessary 'hooks' DID NOT EXIST in either the application *OR* the GUI. So said MICROSOFT themselves. OLE automation has existed for years - Wikipedia says Microsoft published a book on it in December 1993 (OLE 2 Programmer's Reference). Perhaps there was an OLE 1, before that, I don't know. It also says macros and VBA were added to Office in 1993 (ie, when GUI started to get popular). I'm not saying the CLI is universally bad - if you gain competence with a set of programs that you use frequently, it can be very efficient. It does make it hard to enter a new area, though - you've got to learn some before you can do anything. That can pay off, if you keep using that program, but if it is a one-off or occasional thing (like the svn tagging example earlier in this thread), it's probably not
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
From: mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:47:40 -0800 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? Charlie == Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net writes: Charlie OK, I'll play: Charlie Gnome vs KDE Charlie Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's) Charlie GPL vs BSDL Charlie C vs any other programming language Perl vs Readability *SNORt* That's what APL is for -- to make Perl look readable somebody once claimed that the -only- way to obfuscate an APL program -- more than it _naturally_ was, that is -- was to write It as TECO source. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could
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Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could
Hi, I'm a 3 year customer of M5 Hosting. They are in San Diego. I am a very very pleased customer. :-) On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Alejandro Imass aim...@yabarana.comwrote: Use M5 Hosting. They are FBSD friendly and offer outstanding and human support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sat Nov 13 13:01:04 2010 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:02:31 + From: Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk To: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:48:40 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: Au Contraire, WINDOWS *itself* forbids more than one application from having the same file open for working on. Wrong. Windows *itself* doesn't care - lots of applications just don't specify FILE_SHARE_WRITE: Windows -enforces- the restriction, which exists by default. Whether or not there is programatic 'work around' is irrelevant if the needed application fails to provide any way to twiddle that knob. This kind of file-locking _does_ make good sense -- 'sort of', that is. A default mode where additional apps could access the file 'read only' with a warning, would be arguably better. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to obtain how much CPU take packet check on ipfw
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sat Nov 13 13:49:50 2010 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:03:55 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= kes-...@yandex.ru To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: How to obtain how much CPU take packet check on ipfw Hi, Freebsd-questions. How to obtain how much CPU time take packet traversing via firewall? Some particular packet, or just a 'typical' packet? The latter number is -much- easier to get thant the former. See how much CPU time ipfw used during a given interval. See how many packets were handled during that same interval. Divide the first number by the second. this will give you 'average' cpu tie per packet. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:37:18PM -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:48, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: Said employee _demanded_ a GUI-based application. The 'obselete' tool in effective production use did not exist in a windows version. Since said employee bundled all the formerly separate worksheets into a _single_ workbook, *his* action, combined with Windows enforcement of only _single-user_access_ to a given file, precluded multiple people working on _anything_ in the workbook at the same time. Right, and this isn't a GUI problem - its a problem with combining the documents. What software allows multiple people to open and write to the same file simultaneously without trashing the file or losing data? Git and Mercurial come to mind. That wasn't the fault of the GUI environment, per se, it merely facilitated the self-centered intrests of the above-mentioned employee. Top Management was a bunch of idiots. they let him get away with this, and more -- he moved 'his' workhook _off_ the company servers, and kept it _exclusively_ on his personal laptop. His excuse -- that way he could work on it 'at home', too. But the company no longer had a copy of _their_ production data. Indeed, so why do you include it as an anti-GUI argument? I think it was more of an anti-anti-CLI argument. If the program _itself_ isn't on a button or a menu item, you can't use it from *within* the GUI. You have to go to a command-line to invoke it. Got any idea how many executables there are on a MS-Windows system? and how _few_ of the are accessible from the CUI interface? OH, ecuse me, you *can't* tell can you, there's no GUI tool that would give you that information. On my Windows XP box -- admittedly loaded with software development tools -- the answer to the first question is that there are over NINE THOUSAND executables that can be invoked by name. I estimate that _less_ _than_ 10% of that number are _directly_ accessible through the Windows GUI. Many of those are used internally by other programs - like libexec on FreeBSD. Also, many have been dropped from the Start Menu as a way of deprecating them or because exposing them would simply encourage people who don't know what they are doing to break their system (Group Policy editor, registry editor, ...). And my FreeBSD system has over 30,000 items in/under /usr/local/lib, all for a rather minimal set of software (Gnome, Firefox, a couple small ports). So Windows hardly loses this game. I think the point was that only a small fraction of the tools available from the CLI can reasonably be made available from the GUI, because of the incredibly complexity that would be added to the interface if the GUI could directly access all of that stuff. I don't think the point was that MS Windows has lots of executables. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpuWwZ5M8lkB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 03:12:16PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote: This kind of file-locking _does_ make good sense -- 'sort of', that is. A default mode where additional apps could access the file 'read only' with a warning, would be arguably better. Yeah -- I'm a fan of how nvi and Vim handle it. Each does things a little differently from the other, but both handle it well. Unfortunately, they only seem to handle it for other instances of the same program. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpeoG4pDBiEN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:32:04PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote: should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'? (nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c++' to this day) Why would we need a one-letter name? C++ is also known as CPP. D is already another programming language, so we can't really use that for C++. I don't know what this P has to do with it. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpvJdaeIanXa.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: BUG: sysctl net.isr.swi_count negative value
On Sat Nov 13 10, ??? ??? wrote: Hi, Freebsd-questions. net.isr.swi_count: -1692211928 as I think count can not be negative. in this case it is. Is this a bug or negative value means some special? what is the output of 'uname -a'? looks like a 32 bit integer is being used for net.isr.swi_count which you managed to overrun. i'm running HEAD and that sysctl parameter doesn't exist: otaku% sysctl net.isr.swi_count sysctl: unknown oid 'net.isr.swi_count' seems pluknet posted the same one year ago [1] cheers. alex [1] http://markmail.org/message/qc34d5z6uyyet7nx -- ? ?, ??? mailto:kes-...@yandex.ru -- a13x ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could
i am very happy with the service i get from my provider of freebsd dedicated hosts. and there's no shortage of offerings for vps as well. but dedicated/vps does not offer what cloud computing does. On 11/13/10 4:05 PM, Nerius Landys nlan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm a 3 year customer of M5 Hosting. They are in San Diego. I am a very very pleased customer. :-) On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Alejandro Imass aim...@yabarana.comwrote: Use M5 Hosting. They are FBSD friendly and offer outstanding and human support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could
What do feel are the advantages of the cloud? It costs more money. So the advantage is that it stimulates the economy. :-P ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: uzbl
Quoth Chad Perrin on Friday, 12 November 2010: On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 01:54:32PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: How do you start uzbl? It installed fine for me, but I keep getting core dumps when I run it. There is no 'uzbl' anywhere in the path, so I tried 'uzbl-browser' and 'uzbl-tabbed'. For 'uzbl-browser' it brings up the initial screen OK, but typing 'fl' crashes it. I thought I had responded to this, but apparently I had not. Sorry about that. I'm not sure why you are having these problems. I guess I would suggest talking to someone in the #uzbl channel on freenode. When I installed uzbl, the uzbl-core and uzble-browser commands worked great. Getting uzbl-tabbed took a little more doing, because a dependency (py-gtk) was not yet installed. By the way, it seems that uzbl-tabbed is a little rudimentary. It actually lacks some of uzbl-browser's capabilities, and lacks some basic stuff you'd expect a tabbed browser to have (like a single command or click approach to opening a link in a new tab). -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Well, it looks like 'make deinstall clean install clean' took care of it. I don't know what could have hiccupped the first time, but oh well. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgp5QsP8lsivy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could
but dedicated/vps does not offer what cloud computing does. What do feel are the advantages of the cloud? Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network. Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell.___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: uzbl
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 03:51:29PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: Well, it looks like 'make deinstall clean install clean' took care of it. I don't know what could have hiccupped the first time, but oh well. I think uzbl got an update in the last day or two. That might have had something to do with it. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpQJh2vD8fbO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 336, Issue 16, Message: 2 On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:58:03 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: I have motherboard with total 8 SATA ports but seems it's broken as i'm having regular server hangs after heavy disk I/O, usually with messages about disconnected AHCI device. cables ARE OK. i bought extra controllers - 2 2-port PCIe based on said chipset. to make things more strange - 2 of 8 motherboard SATA ports ARE JMB363 based too! on motherboard ports are all detected by AHCI driver. THE same chips on cards are NOT detected as AHCI. pciconv shows they are in ATA/RAID mode. But builtin controller BIOS does not allow setting it in AHCI mode. tried ata/atadisk driver - it doesn't attach disk at all, but just waits 15 seconds on each port where disk is connected at boot. Disks ARE properly attached, as cards BIOS shows them up properly. How can FreeBSD be set up to simply force switching to AHCI mode on that chips? nobody knows? or just this mail was missed within hundreds of trash about why devil is a mascot or tips for installing windows. Hey Woj, long time; yeah you picked a hell of time to re-surface. More likely nobody who knows would be bothered wasting their time wading through the present volume of bullshit infecting this once-useful list, which has been lately taken over by a gang of clueless vandals who want to use it as a Twitter replacement from their mobiles, shoving up middle fingers at those trying to restore some sanity. I've about had enough. Excuse the rant .. re your question, I don't know myself but suspect you'd likely get a grown-up sort of response in stable@ where this sort of issue has been popping up a fair bit lately. cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 13:53, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: Right, and this isn't a GUI problem - its a problem with combining the documents. What software allows multiple people to open and write to the same file simultaneously without trashing the file or losing data? Git and Mercurial come to mind. I'm not familiar with DVCSes, but I assume they work much the same as a centralized one - that is they don't open a file and leave it open - you work on something, then use locking for the actual commit part. Two people can't edit the same working copy at once, nor can they commit at exactly the same time. The difference is that locking is done at the application layer, rather than by the OS itself. -- Rob Farmer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 17:39, Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote: Hey Woj, long time; yeah you picked a hell of time to re-surface. More likely nobody who knows would be bothered wasting their time wading through the present volume of bullshit infecting this once-useful list, which has been lately taken over by a gang of clueless vandals who want to use it as a Twitter replacement from their mobiles, shoving up middle fingers at those trying to restore some sanity. I've about had enough. There has always been crap on this list - that's the logical conclusion of unmoderated discussion forums. Its cyclic and will probably die down soon for a while. Filter your mail by thread, killfile the worst offenders, or get a moderator who can bump the BS over to c...@. In fact, you received excellent suggestions last time you brought this up (complaining about Wojciech Puchar, interestingly enough): http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-May/199607.html Writing more mail to complain about too much mail is self-defeating. That's why I don't reply to stuff like the devil thread - it just increases its longevity. -- Rob Farmer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: top different output
In the last episode (Nov 13):
Hi, Freebsd-questions.
*pls. redirect to right developers thread
in 7.2FreeBSD top show as:
32 root -68- 0K16K WAIT72:24 10.25% irq16: rl0
in 9.0FreeBSD top show as:
12 root 28 -28- 0K 224K WAIT3 223:03 42.77% intr
top -SIP
in 7 version top has better output because of I can see which interrupt
get CPU time, in 9 I can not
Interrupts are now processed as kernel threads. Press H (or use -H on the
commandline) in top to show each thread on its own line:
without H:
12 root 18 -60- 0K 144K WAIT 624.2H 2.39% intr
with H:
12 root -32- 0K 144K WAIT 377.9H 2.78% {swi4: clock}
12 root -68- 0K 144K WAIT 245.9H 0.39% {irq22: fxp1}
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Re: system utilities job
In the last episode (Nov 13), ??? ??? said: Hi, Freebsd-questions. why I have different results for re0 interface for interrupt statistic? # vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq266: re0492258114 8753 #systat -v 30 dtbuf3 totfr 12744 re0 266 vmstat shows the average rate since boot. systat shows the average rate over the last sampling period (5 seconds by default). -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010, Rob Farmer wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 17:39, Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote: Hey Woj, long time; yeah you picked a hell of time to re-surface. More likely nobody who knows would be bothered wasting their time wading through the present volume of bullshit infecting this once-useful list, which has been lately taken over by a gang of clueless vandals who want to use it as a Twitter replacement from their mobiles, shoving up middle fingers at those trying to restore some sanity. I've about had enough. There has always been crap on this list - that's the logical conclusion of unmoderated discussion forums. Its cyclic and will probably die down soon for a while. Filter your mail by thread, killfile the worst offenders, or get a moderator who can bump the BS over to c...@. In fact, you received excellent suggestions last time you brought this up (complaining about Wojciech Puchar, interestingly enough): http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-May/199607.html Writing more mail to complain about too much mail is self-defeating. That's why I don't reply to stuff like the devil thread - it just increases its longevity. Yeah, point taken, and the irony of earlier exchanges with Woj wasn't lost on me either, but I'd forgotten how bad it got before I flipped! The thing is - and was then, too - that this list is widely advertised (in the handbook, even the installed /etc/motd) as the primary contact point for new people with questions about FreeBSD, and as such can't be moderated by 'some poor bastard .. 24/7/365' as I put it then, nor can it require pre-subscription as do some of the better-disciplined lists. Which means, as ever, that it's up to this community to moderate it as we go: making allowances for newbies but pointing out list etiquette and mores when people should long since have got past acting like newbies, offlist where possible; ignoring obvious trolling, keeping a sense of humour about the occasional forays into absurdity and such. That said, I draw the line at people saying 'fsck you all' when asked not to clutter the list with top-posted, tail-quoted one-line drivel. cheers, Ian___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 06:12:52PM -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 13:53, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: Right, and this isn't a GUI problem - its a problem with combining the documents. What software allows multiple people to open and write to the same file simultaneously without trashing the file or losing data? Git and Mercurial come to mind. I'm not familiar with DVCSes, but I assume they work much the same as a centralized one - that is they don't open a file and leave it open - you work on something, then use locking for the actual commit part. Two people can't edit the same working copy at once, nor can they commit at exactly the same time. The difference is that locking is done at the application layer, rather than by the OS itself. Actually, they *don't* work exactly like centralized version control. That's kinda the point; they offer excellent facilities for edit conflict resolution that makes the facilities provided by CVCSes look positively primitive by comparison. DVCSes are specifically designed to facilitate a certain amount of simultaneous development of the same files with generally error-free merging when the second of the two changesets gets added to a given repository. The idea that multiple people can work on the same stuff at the same time is kind of central to the necessary capabilities of a DVCS. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp52CqZNNmbB.pgp Description: PGP signature
