8.2-RC1 RC3 : crashes
Hello, I have a stable server doing heavy backups on a nightly basis, it uses a mix of rsync and backuppc and serves also NFS to other servers for remote backups. I did a freebsd-update fetch -r 8.2-RC3 lately and following that it dies every night. What seems to trigger it is the following in the logs: Feb 17 01:50:22 bigstore kernel: fsync: giving up on dirty Feb 17 01:50:22 bigstore kernel: 0xff0024d5a1d8: tag devfs, type VCHR Feb 17 01:50:22 bigstore kernel: usecount 1, writecount 0, refcount 40745 mountedhere 0xff0008666400 Feb 17 01:50:22 bigstore kernel: flags () Feb 17 01:50:22 bigstore kernel: v_object 0xff0024df7e58 ref 0 pages 800971 Feb 17 01:50:22 bigstore kernel: lock type devfs: EXCL by thread 0xff0008113000 (pid 7) Feb 17 01:50:22 bigstore kernel: dev da0.journal Feb 17 01:50:22 bigstore kernel: GEOM_JOURNAL: Cannot suspend file system /mnt/backups (error=35). Feb 17 02:02:51 bigstore kernel: fsync: giving up on dirty Feb 17 02:02:51 bigstore kernel: 0xff0024d5a1d8: tag devfs, type VCHR Feb 17 02:02:51 bigstore kernel: usecount 1, writecount 0, refcount 42952 mountedhere 0xff0008666400 Feb 17 02:02:51 bigstore kernel: flags () Feb 17 02:02:51 bigstore kernel: v_object 0xff0024df7e58 ref 0 pages 809311 Feb 17 02:02:51 bigstore kernel: lock type devfs: EXCL by thread 0xff0008113000 (pid 7) Feb 17 02:02:51 bigstore kernel: dev da0.journal Feb 17 02:02:51 bigstore kernel: Feb 17 02:02:52 bigstore kernel: GEOM_JOURNAL: Cannot suspend file system /mnt/backups (error=35). Feb 17 02:21:42 bigstore kernel: fsync: giving up on dirty Feb 17 02:21:42 bigstore kernel: 0xff0024d5a1d8: tag devfs, type VCHR Feb 17 02:21:42 bigstore kernel: usecount 1, writecount 0, refcount 37458 mountedhere 0xff0008666400 Feb 17 02:21:42 bigstore kernel: flags () Feb 17 02:21:42 bigstore kernel: v_object 0xff0024df7e58 ref 0 pages 756455 Feb 17 02:21:42 bigstore kernel: lock type devfs: EXCL by thread 0xff0008113000 (pid 7) Feb 17 02:21:42 bigstore kernel: dev da0.journal Feb 17 02:21:42 bigstore kernel: GEOM_JOURNAL: Cannot suspend file system /mnt/backups (error=35). If I rollback to 8.2-RC1, the problem mostly goes away but it can happen that after a few weeks, it does indeed crash too. Backups partition is on RAID10 array using a 3ware 9650 controller. 9650SE-24M8 So I was wondering if anyone has a similar problem? Here's the specs of the box: Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-2011 The FreeBSD Project. Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: FreeBSD 8.2-RC3 #0: Sun Jan 30 06:28:31 UTC 2011 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: r...@mason.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5620 @ 2.40GHz (2399.98-MHz K8-class CPU) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0x206c2 Family = 6 Model = 2c Stepping = 2 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Features=0xbfebfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: Features2=0x29ee3ffSSE3,PCLMULQDQ,DTES64,MON,DS_CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,DCA,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,AESNI Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: AMD Features=0x2c100800SYSCALL,NX,Page1GB,RDTSCP,LM Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: AMD Features2=0x1LAHF Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: TSC: P-state invariant Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: real memory = 8589934592 (8192 MB) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: avail memory = 8151887872 (7774 MB) Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ACPI APIC Table: INTEL S5500HCV Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 8 CPUs Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 4 core(s) x 2 SMT threads Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 2 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 3 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu4 (AP): APIC ID: 18 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu5 (AP): APIC ID: 19 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu6 (AP): APIC ID: 20 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: cpu7 (AP): APIC ID: 21 Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ioapic0 Version 2.0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: ioapic1 Version 2.0 irqs 24-47 on motherboard Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: lapic0: Forcing LINT1 to edge trigger Feb 17 10:36:52 bigstore kernel: kbd1 at kbdmux0 Feb 17 10:36:52
ppp auto only works on boot (8.1)
I upgraded from 7.3 to 8.1. I have an internal 3com (dial-up) 56k modem. My ppp.conf script works when I boot, but I cannot bring up the connection again when it has gone down by timing out or pppctl quit. Needless to say, there was no such problem in 7.3. I have been over and over the HARDWARE.txt without being able to find what other hardware I might still be able to buy that would allow me to connect by dial-up (not DSL). Of course I have all kinds of winmodems lying around, including sever Lucent modems that worked with a shim from a port that appears to have been abandoned. This seems to be where uart picks up the modem (dmesg) uart2: Non-standard ns8250 class UART with FIFOs port 0xa400-0xa407 irq 17 at device 9.0 on pci3 uart2: [FILTER] This is ppp.log for successful connection (on boot) and failed connection after timeout (on boot - successful) Feb 17 09:48:13 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Received: ATDT4194220^M^M Feb 17 09:48:13 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Chat: Received: CONNECT Feb 17 09:48:13 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: dial - carrier Feb 17 09:48:14 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: /dev/cuau2: CD detected Feb 17 09:48:14 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: carrier - login Feb 17 09:48:14 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: Phase: deflink: login - lcp Feb 17 09:48:14 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: FSM: Using deflink as a transport Feb 17 09:48:14 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Initial -- Closed Feb 17 09:48:14 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Closed -- Stopped Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: LayerStart Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = Stopped Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1500 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0x2f3117de Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Stopped -- Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(1) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: 0x0[4] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1524 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: AUTHPROTO[5] 0xc223 (CHAP 0x05) Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MRRU[4] 1524 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ENDDISC[9] MAC 00:c0:7b:9f:76:34 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigRej(1) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: 0x0[4] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MRRU[4] 1524 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendIdent(0) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM 2f3117de Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: TEXT user-ppp 3.4.2 (built COMPILATIONDATE) Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: RecvConfigAck(1) state = Req-Sent Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1500 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0x2f3117de Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Req-Sent -- Ack-Rcvd Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(2) state = Ack-Rcvd Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1524 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: AUTHPROTO[5] 0xc223 (CHAP 0x05) Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ENDDISC[9] MAC 00:c0:7b:9f:76:34 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigAck(2) state = Ack-Rcvd Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1524 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: AUTHPROTO[5] 0xc223 (CHAP 0x05) Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: ENDDISC[9] MAC 00:c0:7b:9f:76:34 Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Ack-Rcvd -- Opened Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: LayerUp Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded ppp[255]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendIdent(1) state = Opened Feb 17 09:48:15 debranded
Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?
Hello all. I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I know in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerful ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and that increase the value of the equipment. I want the best option at a nice price (could be Intel or AMD) the ide is to have it as my main machine and when I need Linux or Windows have them there running under VirtualBox. The use will be mainly for web development. My idea is to buy it with FreeDos or Linux installed or without operating system but here there is not an option for powerful equuipment unless you want one with Atom processor. The powerful one came ONLY with Windows installed. I am thinking to ask a friend that travels frequently to USA to buy one for me. Any suggestion of where and what equipment to buy, without OS (Windows) preinstalled? Of course at a good price and the most powerful one. Thanks in advance. Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?
Hola, Jorge-- On Feb 17, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Jorge Biquez wrote: I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I know in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerful ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and that increase the value of the equipment. I want the best option at a nice price (could be Intel or AMD) the ide is to have it as my main machine and when I need Linux or Windows have them there running under VirtualBox. The use will be mainly for web development. You have some choices: 1) Find a vendor offering to sell a machine with Linux preinstalled. At times in the past, IIRC, both HP and Dell used to do this. 2) Call up a sales guy from your preferred vendor and ask to purchase a bare machine without OS. If they refuse to sell you one, choose another vendor. 3) Buy a machine with the base Win 7 Home installed, decline the license, and request a refund. Be prepared to waste significant time on this, but it can be done. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?
On 17 February 2011 13:43, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: Hello all. I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I know in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerful ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and that increase the value of the equipment. I want the best option at a nice price (could be Intel or AMD) the ide is to have it as my main machine and when I need Linux or Windows have them there running under VirtualBox. The use will be mainly for web development. My idea is to buy it with FreeDos or Linux installed or without operating system but here there is not an option for powerful equuipment unless you want one with Atom processor. The powerful one came ONLY with Windows installed. I am thinking to ask a friend that travels frequently to USA to buy one for me. Any suggestion of where and what equipment to buy, without OS (Windows) preinstalled? Of course at a good price and the most powerful one. ixsystems.com sells a FreeBSD laptop (probably not inexpensively). system76.com is ubunutu-based, so you might have to look closely at the wireless chip. That one e-online-dot-com internet web store named after a certain large, South-American river has a few of such for sale, as well. I'd buy one with Microsoft® Windows® Starter® Edition® and amuse myself by applying to the seller for a Microsoft® Windows® Starter® Edition® Refund® ( depending on where you live might provide _months_ of entertainment). Actually, new is too expensive for me: let someone else take the first price hit. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?
Quoth Chuck Swiger on Thursday, 17 February 2011: Hola, Jorge-- On Feb 17, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Jorge Biquez wrote: I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I know in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerful ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and that increase the value of the equipment. I want the best option at a nice price (could be Intel or AMD) the ide is to have it as my main machine and when I need Linux or Windows have them there running under VirtualBox. The use will be mainly for web development. You have some choices: 1) Find a vendor offering to sell a machine with Linux preinstalled. At times in the past, IIRC, both HP and Dell used to do this. 2) Call up a sales guy from your preferred vendor and ask to purchase a bare machine without OS. If they refuse to sell you one, choose another vendor. 3) Buy a machine with the base Win 7 Home installed, decline the license, and request a refund. Be prepared to waste significant time on this, but it can be done. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Until Konstantin gets his work on GEM finished, don't buy anything that uses the Intel Ironlake graphics chip (usually called simply Intel Integrated HD Graphics). The Intel driver for Xorg won't work, and you'll be limited to vesa at 1024x768. Others on this list may perhaps be able to recommend their favorite graphics option. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com pgpOpxYSjynZP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I know in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerful ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and that increase the value of the equipment. I want the best option at a nice price (could be Intel or AMD) the ide is to have it as my main machine and when I need Linux or Windows have them there running under VirtualBox. The use will be mainly for web development. Just to play devil's advocate: If you plan to run Windows under VirtualBox, you probably *do* want to order the laptop with Windows pre-installed. The reason is to legally run Windows in VirtualBox, you will need a Windows license, and it's far cheaper to get one bundled with the machine than to buy it later. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CPU heating!
On Sunday 13 February 2011 18:52:16 Mario Lobo wrote: Hi; I am following 8-CURRENT AMD64. I have a Phenom II 955. Up to the 3rd week of January, I had 8-STABLE. Idle CPU temp was 42~44 C (which is already not excellent, i know) and full load would never go above 60 C (compiling VBox from KDE, for instance). After updating to 8.2-PRERELEASE, my temps now are: idle:not less than 48 C full load (same above conditions): it reached 65.5 C with peaks of 66 C!. Was there any big change between these versions that could be causing this? Just an update to this topic: BEFORE: FBSD 8.2-RELEASE Phenom II 955 w/ stock cooler Idle temp at turn-on: 42~44 C Idle temp after 3 hrs: 48~49.5 C Load (95~100%)temp: 64~66.5 C (w/ peaks of 67.5) With the side of the computer case off. I replaced the thermal grease (as advised here) with a new one but that didn't change those figures. AFTER: FBSD 8.1-STABLE Phenom II 955 w/ a ZALMAN CNPS 10x PERFORMA cooler Idle temp at turn-on: 35~37 C Idle temp after the compilation: 43~44 C Load (95~100%)temp: 54~56.5 C (w/ peaks of 57 tops) With the side of the computer case ON. On both cases, the load was provided by compiling Vbox (4.0.2) under KDE and room temp was around 30 C. Powerd on for both. I noticed one thing. With 8.2-RELEASE, the compilation process stays at 100% load a lot longer than with 8.1-STABLE. During the compile with 8.2, there was a time I counted about 9 seconds at 100% load, plus about 3 or 4 extra 100% load of around 5 secs each. With 8.1, I only saw 4 half second ( well, it seemed like a half to me) 100% load peaks. And that was it. Beleive me, I counted them. Thanks to all that tried to help! -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CPU heating!
On Thursday 17 February 2011 19:59:18 Chuck Swiger wrote: Um, so you obviously aren't comparing similar circumstances. No! Not at all. Most computer cases are designed with front-to-back airflow (ie, intake fans in the front, exhaust fans and the PSU in the back) and cool more effectively with the case on Well, in my case, with the BEFORE situation, if I had the side case cover on, the temps would be even higher ! -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CPU heating!
On Feb 17, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: Phenom II 955 w/ stock cooler With the side of the computer case off. [ ...vs... ] Phenom II 955 w/ a ZALMAN CNPS 10x PERFORMA cooler With the side of the computer case ON. Um, so you obviously aren't comparing similar circumstances. Most computer cases are designed with front-to-back airflow (ie, intake fans in the front, exhaust fans and the PSU in the back) and cool more effectively with the case on Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CPU heating!
At 7:53 PM -0300 2/17/11, Mario Lobo wrote: I replaced the thermal grease (as advised here) with a new one but that didn't change those figures. I've not attempted to keep up with changes in thermal conductivity of heat sink compounds for something like 40 years. About that time, National Semiconductor published a paper about the effectiveness of various means of mounting power semiconductors to heat sinks. As I recall, the only method of obtaining truly efficient heat transfer was soldering the case to the heat sink - clearly not all that practical for many purposes. All of the thermal compounds tested did comparatively poorly, especially when applied too thickly. They worked best when applied just heavily enough to fill voids in the two surfaces being mated. Perhaps things are different today but I have my doubts. If they were, we'd make heat sinks out of thin walled finned copper cans containing the thermal compound. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?
3) Buy a machine with the base Win 7 Home installed, decline the license, and request a refund. Be prepared to waste significant time on this, but it can be done. IANAL, but I have been informed by several lawyers that you cannot do this. The Windows 7 EULA, when preinstalled on a machine, states that the agreement is between you and the company selling you the computer, and By using the Software, you accept these terms. If you do not accept them, do not use the software. Instead, contact the manufacturer or installer to determine its return policy. You must comply with that policy, which might limit your rights or require you to return the entire system on which the software is installed. The major OEMs will say OK, then you must return the computer, and you have no option but to comply. This is true for the USA. If you want no-OS laptops, try Puget Systems www.pugetsystems.com or PCs for Everyone www.pcsforeveryone.com HTH ~Brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?
Quoth Brian Callahan on Thursday, 17 February 2011: 3) Buy a machine with the base Win 7 Home installed, decline the license, and request a refund. Be prepared to waste significant time on this, but it can be done. IANAL, but I have been informed by several lawyers that you cannot do this. The Windows 7 EULA, when preinstalled on a machine, states that the agreement is between you and the company selling you the computer, and By using the Software, you accept these terms. If you do not accept them, do not use the software. Instead, contact the manufacturer or installer to determine its return policy. You must comply with that policy, which might limit your rights or require you to return the entire system on which the software is installed. The major OEMs will say OK, then you must return the computer, and you have no option but to comply. This is true for the USA. If you want no-OS laptops, try Puget Systems www.pugetsystems.com or PCs for Everyone www.pcsforeveryone.com HTH ~Brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Those links both sport some pretty expensive prices. My comparable ASUS cost about half that, and came with Windows 7 installed (which I simply erased). Are those prices for real? -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com pgpE3tGwuIVeS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: CPU heating!
On Feb 17, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: Most computer cases are designed with front-to-back airflow (ie, intake fans in the front, exhaust fans and the PSU in the back) and cool more effectively with the case on Well, in my case, with the BEFORE situation, if I had the side case cover on, the temps would be even higher ! Are they? Well, that suggests something could be wrong with your case ventilation-- perhaps a stuck (or even reversed) fan. I know, it's not as interesting as the possibility that different versions of FreeBSD present different CPU load, but if you aren't controlling for major factors like the case being opened or closed, or using different coolers, then there's little point in worrying about whether your load-testing of the software is accurate. Regards -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?
Those links both sport some pretty expensive prices. My comparable ASUS cost about half that, and came with Windows 7 installed (which I simply erased). Are those prices for real? -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com Oh, I have no doubt they're for real. That's the problem with smaller OEMs. You can't live on razor thin profit margins. ZaReason www.zareason.com also has no-OS options (they're a Linux vendor). Again, prices aren't the cheapest. I personally buy my laptops by going to Staples, Circuit City, Best Buy, etc. with the latest OpenBSD-current to check its dmesg (and I highly recommend this) and blasting Windows off the HD as soon as I get home, but the OP asked for no-OS laptops. ~Brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CPU heating!
On Thursday 17 February 2011 21:20:57 Chuck Swiger wrote: On Feb 17, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: Most computer cases are designed with front-to-back airflow (ie, intake fans in the front, exhaust fans and the PSU in the back) and cool more effectively with the case on Well, in my case, with the BEFORE situation, if I had the side case cover on, the temps would be even higher ! Are they? Well, that suggests something could be wrong with your case ventilation-- perhaps a stuck (or even reversed) fan. They are neither reversed nor stuck. I am truly paranoid about that. I have a front fan pulling in and a back fan pushing out. I even have one of the front device covers out since I bought this CPU. That's the air flow since day one. I can't say that nothing changed inside the machine since I added a HD to it but the heating came long after that. I know, it's not as interesting as the possibility that different versions of FreeBSD present different CPU load, but if you aren't controlling for major factors like the case being opened or closed, or using different coolers, then there's little point in worrying about whether your load-testing of the software is accurate. I didn't mean to imply that the different versions of FBSD was THE cause of heating. But the fact is that it started to happen after the upgrade. It's probably just a coincidence. The fact is that downgrading to 8.1 improved the cooling. Very little ( -1 degree, that's true) but improved nonetheless. You're certainly right. My load testing method isn't accurate but my observations are. Even if your measuring instrument is not accuratly calibrated, the absolute value of the measurement can not be trusted, but the difference of two measurements with the same instrument can. The instrument being my hardware in this case. I pointed the difference in load between 8.1 and 8.2 when compiling, as something I noticed. Just that. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is the best way to image copy a FreeBSD system?
Wow, that article is just what I was looking for! I will check out your other articles too. Thanks! On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, Xn Nooby wrote: I downloaded the alternative testing ubuntu-based version of Clonezilla, and it appeared to backup my FreeBSD machine. It identified my filesystem as UFS. I will wipe the drive and try a restore later tonight. It said it was backing up 30GB of files, which seemed odd for a fresh install. The backup was 7.5GB. There is a lot of good info in this thread, so I will be experimenting with the various methods discussed. It sounds like I really need to learn about dump/restore. Pardon if I've mentioned this already, but I have an article called Backup Options For FreeBSD at http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html It covers variations of dump/restore, and also mentions Clonezilla and dd and their advantages and disadvantages. Feedback welcome. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is the best way to image copy a FreeBSD system?
I like bacula, I've used it for years. I also like this command Julian once taught me: find . -name | cpio -pdmluv /destination/folder/here On 02/17/11 18:25, Xn Nooby wrote: Wow, that article is just what I was looking for! I will check out your other articles too. Thanks! On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Warren Blockwbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, Xn Nooby wrote: I downloaded the alternative testing ubuntu-based version of Clonezilla, and it appeared to backup my FreeBSD machine. It identified my filesystem as UFS. I will wipe the drive and try a restore later tonight. It said it was backing up 30GB of files, which seemed odd for a fresh install. The backup was 7.5GB. There is a lot of good info in this thread, so I will be experimenting with the various methods discussed. It sounds like I really need to learn about dump/restore. Pardon if I've mentioned this already, but I have an article called Backup Options For FreeBSD at http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html It covers variations of dump/restore, and also mentions Clonezilla and dd and their advantages and disadvantages. Feedback welcome. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) da...@vicor.com david.robi...@fisglobal.com _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. _ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
BSD Magazine PDFs
Is there a place where I can download all the BSD Magazine PDF back issues? I have got a lot of them from the BSD Magazine site, and a few other sites, but I think I am missing some. For example, I only have 2 from 2008, and 4 from 2009. I was able to get most of them from http://bsdmag.org I renamed them to sort properly, the ones I have are: BSD_2008_01.pdf BSD_2008_02.pdf BSD_2009_01.pdf BSD_2009_02.pdf BSD_2009_03.pdf BSD_2009_04.pdf BSD_2010_01.pdf BSD_2010_02.pdf BSD_2010_03.pdf BSD_2010_04.pdf BSD_2010_05.pdf BSD_2010_06.pdf BSD_2010_07.pdf BSD_2010_08.pdf BSD_2010_09.pdf BSD_2010_10.pdf BSD_2010_11.pdf BSD_2011_01.pdf BSD_2011_02.pdf I would like to get the others, if there are any, and it is legal. Or perhaps I have all the ones available. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD Magazine PDFs
That looks right. BSDMag was a quarterly prior to 2010 and started in the middle of 2008, from what I remember. And they missed a month in 2010. ~Brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?
On Thu 17 Feb 2011 at 10:43:24 PST Jorge Biquez wrote: Hello all. I am evaluating to buy a new laptop for using it only with Freebsd. I know in the website mention some options. Thing is that here the most powerful ones (I3, I5 I7) are sold ONLY with Windows installed and that increase the value of the equipment. I want the best option at a nice price (could be Intel or AMD) the ide is to have it as my main machine and when I need Linux or Windows have them there running under VirtualBox. The use will be mainly for web development. My idea is to buy it with FreeDos or Linux installed or without operating system but here there is not an option for powerful equuipment unless you want one with Atom processor. The powerful one came ONLY with Windows installed. I am thinking to ask a friend that travels frequently to USA to buy one for me. Any suggestion of where and what equipment to buy, without OS (Windows) preinstalled? Of course at a good price and the most powerful one. Does it have to be new? The best deal might be to get a used laptop. Then it doesn't matter what it originally shipped with, all you care about is whether it's on the FreeBSD hardware compatibility list. Along these lines, I've seen many people recommending used ThinkPads. Might not be powerful enough for the latest Windows, but more than capable for running a BSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Best Laptop to buy for Freebsd Without OS?
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 07:23:57PM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: Does it have to be new? The best deal might be to get a used laptop. Then it doesn't matter what it originally shipped with, all you care about is whether it's on the FreeBSD hardware compatibility list. Along these lines, I've seen many people recommending used ThinkPads. Might not be powerful enough for the latest Windows, but more than capable for running a BSD. Be very careful buying used laptops. There are a lot of refurbishers who are very shady, and a lot of private sellers online that are trying to make a fast buck off broken hardware. In fact, I wrote some code for a shady refurbisher last year to clean infections of their laptops -- infections that had worked its way into the images they used to clone drives for refurbished computers. I think thousands of their systems probably went out infected before they had me automate the virus-cleaning process for them. The short version is simply that I've seen how shady refurbishers work, up close and personal. Let the buyer beware. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpRhYVLfff8W.pgp Description: PGP signature
