Re: xpdf can not print via cups if started from firefox
On 03/08/11 16:51, Warren Block wrote: On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, O. Hartmann wrote: I've got a weird problem here. Very often I download scientific papers as pdf from protals and they got opened via firefox3 with the configured propper utility, in this case xpdf. In such a case, printing is impossible. I hit the print button, a popup shows up with the configured CUPS printing queue, but hitting OK doesn't have any effect. The funny thing is: when opening the same PDF (it is stored in /tmp/) with xpdf by starting xpdf from a terminal, printing on the same queue works well. In your .xpdfrc, do you specify a full path to the CUPS lpr? I did now and it hasn't any effect. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
A GUI on a server is just a matter of preference, I go back to before Dos 1.0 and when Windows came out, I fell in love. Now I've got to have a GUI on everything, besides as you get older the command line becomes harder (memory loss)... On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 08:39 +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote: On 03/10/2011 04:33 AM, Juan C. Valido wrote: I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/ On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote: Hi guys, I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really wanted the GUI). Hi Why would you want a window manager on your servers? Do you all work directly on the consoles? Do you have window managers/desktop environments on the workstations and access your servers remotely? It's not very hard, I would say it's easier, to configure your servers and services from the commandline with ssh. Or if you really want something graphical then webmin would be fine also. This is what I tend to roll-out for other (graphical oriented) administrators and with some custom commands configured this works great for them. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
On 03/10/2011 12:35 PM, Juan C. Valido wrote: A GUI on a server is just a matter of preference, I go back to before Dos 1.0 and when Windows came out, I fell in love. Now I've got to have a GUI on everything, besides as you get older the command line becomes harder (memory loss)... Do you plan to update FreeBSD and installed ports on your servers on a regular basis? Then I would not recommend installing graphical window ports (applications) on these servers, because it can give you a lot of time, work e.g. unnecessary hassle when upgrading/updating. Webmin is a good GUI progam (from client perspective) for administering your servers, it just runs in your clients webbrowser and you can administer almost every aspect of your servers with it. Also you might want to take a look at: http://www.freebsdforums.org/plesk-cpanel-dedicated-servers/ On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 08:39 +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote: On 03/10/2011 04:33 AM, Juan C. Valido wrote: I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/ On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote: Hi guys, I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really wanted the GUI). Hi Why would you want a window manager on your servers? Do you all work directly on the consoles? Do you have window managers/desktop environments on the workstations and access your servers remotely? It's not very hard, I would say it's easier, to configure your servers and services from the commandline with ssh. Or if you really want something graphical then webmin would be fine also. This is what I tend to roll-out for other (graphical oriented) administrators and with some custom commands configured this works great for them. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
lost network during freebsd-update install
i was upgrading a remote machine from 7.1 to 8.1 with freebsd-update. the freebsd-update -r 8.1-RELEASE upgrade phase was complete and i had given: # freebsd-update install Installing updates... when the wifi on my local computer went away. eventually i restarted the wifi interface but the ssh session didn't recover. i don't know if the freebsd-update command completed or not. or how to find out. and if it did not, what to do next. i'd be most grateful for any help. tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: lost network during freebsd-update install
On 03/10/2011 01:52 PM, Tom Worster wrote: i was upgrading a remote machine from 7.1 to 8.1 with freebsd-update. the freebsd-update -r 8.1-RELEASE upgrade phase was complete and i had given: # freebsd-update install Installing updates... when the wifi on my local computer went away. eventually i restarted the wifi interface but the ssh session didn't recover. i don't know if the freebsd-update command completed or not. or how to find out. and if it did not, what to do next. i'd be most grateful for any help. tom You should be able to connect to your server (new ssh session) because at this stage freebsd-update is installing the new kernel. Then just repeat the freebsd-update install step and you should be fine and continue with it following the steps listed in the handbook Also screen (1) can be your friend for doing things on remote servers. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: using dovecot, where is ICOMING mail stored?
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 05:23:34PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: Does anybody know about this obscure stuff? In late DEcember, 2007 my FreeBSD server started having serious problems that were over my head. I asked this list for help but no one could help me; long-story-short, a guy from the DFW area, a self-taught net-wizard came to my rescue. Via the yahoo IM application and thanks to a fellow here with two strong arms, this network guy set me up with a pfSense firewall (on an old Kayak), and fixed/changed stuff on my server. He installed some mail tool called dovecot and deployed that on my server. At the time I was running FreeBSD everywhere except one of my four other computers. He also found something to let me still use mutt. I prefer CLI and text--8859-1 or ASCII. Hand on keyboard; my should got destroyed many years ago so the less motion between keyboard and mouse, the better. This morning I found the 15 or 20 messages in my incoming mail queue gone. Vanished. ---I do of course backup stuff in my ~/Maildir on my server. I checked my bup. Nothing. Does anybody know what this dovecot does with its incoming mail files? I only do one daily backup that it ccron'd for 03:00 [[along with a bunch of other critical directories, of course]] If you haven't changed the dovecot config file, look in it for the mail_location setting. For example, mine is set to: mail_location = maildir:~/Maildir From what you say above, about backups of ~/Maildir, I would expect you to find something very similar. If that's not what you find, try looking in the location it does point to. If you still have no luck, look at your SMTP server's config and figure out how it handles local deliveries. For example, my exim install is set up to send messages for local delivery through a pipe to the maildrop program, which in turn delivers them to folders under my ~/Maildir according to my filtering rules. Good luck! Dan -- Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ pgpz2bgjh8n5d.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
On 03/10/2011 01:46 PM, Bas Smeelen wrote: On 03/10/2011 12:35 PM, Juan C. Valido wrote: A GUI on a server is just a matter of preference, I go back to before Dos 1.0 and when Windows came out, I fell in love. Now I've got to have a GUI on everything, besides as you get older the command line becomes harder (memory loss)... On the other hand, you might want to try PC-BSD. I think it is very well supported and up to date and comes with GUI parts and the option to install as FreeBSD Do you plan to update FreeBSD and installed ports on your servers on a regular basis? Then I would not recommend installing graphical window ports (applications) on these servers, because it can give you a lot of time, work e.g. unnecessary hassle when upgrading/updating. Webmin is a good GUI progam (from client perspective) for administering your servers, it just runs in your clients webbrowser and you can administer almost every aspect of your servers with it. Also you might want to take a look at: http://www.freebsdforums.org/plesk-cpanel-dedicated-servers/ On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 08:39 +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote: On 03/10/2011 04:33 AM, Juan C. Valido wrote: I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/ On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote: Hi guys, I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really wanted the GUI). Hi Why would you want a window manager on your servers? Do you all work directly on the consoles? Do you have window managers/desktop environments on the workstations and access your servers remotely? It's not very hard, I would say it's easier, to configure your servers and services from the commandline with ssh. Or if you really want something graphical then webmin would be fine also. This is what I tend to roll-out for other (graphical oriented) administrators and with some custom commands configured this works great for them. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
Thank you, being a Windows guy, I didn't know about webmin, tried it and was impressed. New Server coming up no GUI... On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 08:39 +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote: On 03/10/2011 04:33 AM, Juan C. Valido wrote: I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/ On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote: Hi guys, I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really wanted the GUI). Hi Why would you want a window manager on your servers? Do you all work directly on the consoles? Do you have window managers/desktop environments on the workstations and access your servers remotely? It's not very hard, I would say it's easier, to configure your servers and services from the commandline with ssh. Or if you really want something graphical then webmin would be fine also. This is what I tend to roll-out for other (graphical oriented) administrators and with some custom commands configured this works great for them. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: lost network during freebsd-update install
On 3/10/11 8:01 AM, Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote: On 03/10/2011 01:52 PM, Tom Worster wrote: i was upgrading a remote machine from 7.1 to 8.1 with freebsd-update. the freebsd-update -r 8.1-RELEASE upgrade phase was complete and i had given: # freebsd-update install Installing updates... when the wifi on my local computer went away. eventually i restarted the wifi interface but the ssh session didn't recover. i don't know if the freebsd-update command completed or not. or how to find out. and if it did not, what to do next. i'd be most grateful for any help. tom You should be able to connect to your server (new ssh session) because at this stage freebsd-update is installing the new kernel. Then just repeat the freebsd-update install step and you should be fine and continue with it following the steps listed in the handbook doesn't look good: # freebsd-update install Installing updates...Bad system call (core dumped) Bad system call (core dumped) Bad system call (core dumped) Bad system call (core dumped) ... and the terminal buffer is filling up with those fast. Also screen (1) can be your friend for doing things on remote servers. do you mean ports/sysutils/screen ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On 3/9/11 8:57 PM, mikel king mikel.k...@olivent.com wrote: In recent years their marketing as gone to some lengths to scrub the references to BSD UNIX from the brochures. It's like they are ashamed of their roots, again personally I think they hired some new anti-geeks that just don't get it. i think it's deeper than that. they know what they are doing. back at the beginning, os x was great. finally a decent, user-friendly gui on top of a decent unix-like thing, which, oh joy, felt like bsd. for years, apple improved os x and did some oss work. e.g. webkit is decent stuff. life was good. ms word in this window, terminal in that one, mysql, perl, then the iphone and the disaster of not having an sdk ready (other than mobile safari) happened. they wised up and everything changed. with ios apple has a strategy to get away from all that openness. they are steering developers away from the web and portable web apps. so they are backpedaling on safari and os x as best they can. if they can dominate in mobile hardware for a while longer they may achieve some serious api lock-in. then we will be in trouble. it is the same strategy ms used after they won the browser war with netscape -- they backpedaled on IE, got very deep windows api lock in, and made a load of money. it's been a curious inversion. 10 years ago, in terms of how scared i am, i'd have ranked ms, apple and google with ms at the top and both apple and google as not very scary. now i am terrified of google, very scared of apple and i hardly even think about ms. so i think the change is very canny and comes from the top, not from some anti-geeks that don't get it. and as far as investing in corporate stock is concerned, oss virtue (like environmental virtue or sweat shop virtue) is just so much marketing blather. a corporation's responsibility is to make money for its investors. business ethics is and always will be purely utilitarian. apple has good marketing but don't kid yourself. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: lost network during freebsd-update install
On 03/10/2011 02:37 PM, Tom Worster wrote: freebsd-update install Installing updates...Bad system call (core dumped) But your server is running and other services are ok? Is your kernel still 7.1 ? I guess it should be. (uname -a) Looks like either a newer version of freebsd-update already got installed which is not compatible with some library or the other way around. I have never gone from 7.1 to 8.1 directly and I haven't lost my connection during the updates. Does freebsd-update rollback work? I guess maybe not but it's worth a try. Then it's time to dive into the exact workings of freebsd-update when going from 7.1 to 8.1 I guess. BTW Yes I mean sysutils/screen DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: lost network during freebsd-update install
at this stage, i have no remote access. even if i could gain access, i wouldn't know what state it's in or how to proceed. it's probably best now to pay for the hosting company to install 8.1 from cd. On 3/10/11 8:54 AM, Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote: On 03/10/2011 02:37 PM, Tom Worster wrote: freebsd-update install Installing updates...Bad system call (core dumped) But your server is running and other services are ok? Is your kernel still 7.1 ? I guess it should be. (uname -a) Looks like either a newer version of freebsd-update already got installed which is not compatible with some library or the other way around. I have never gone from 7.1 to 8.1 directly and I haven't lost my connection during the updates. Does freebsd-update rollback work? I guess maybe not but it's worth a try. Then it's time to dive into the exact workings of freebsd-update when going from 7.1 to 8.1 I guess. BTW Yes I mean sysutils/screen DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: lost network during freebsd-update install
On 03/10/2011 03:03 PM, Tom Worster wrote: at this stage, i have no remote access. even if i could gain access, i wouldn't know what state it's in or how to proceed. it's probably best now to pay for the hosting company to install 8.1 from cd. Well if this is an option. But before paying and with a bit of bad luck getting the same problem in 8.1 it would be nice to know what's the cause. You do not have remote console access and a way to mount a virtual cdrom? It sounds more like kernel and userland are not in sync or something else. This shouldn't be a problem caused by freeb-update though. Maybe someone has a clue about this? Is this on real hardware or hosted in a virtual machine setup? I haven't have this happen with about 30 servers the last three years going from 6 to 7 and to 8, the latter with freebsd-update, rebooting with GENERIC and then building a custom kernel. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: lost network during freebsd-update install
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote: On 03/10/2011 02:37 PM, Tom Worster wrote: BTW Yes I mean sysutils/screen There is also TMUX http://www.freshports.org/sysutils/tmux/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: lost network during freebsd-update install
On 3/10/11 9:13 AM, Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote: On 03/10/2011 03:03 PM, Tom Worster wrote: at this stage, i have no remote access. even if i could gain access, i wouldn't know what state it's in or how to proceed. it's probably best now to pay for the hosting company to install 8.1 from cd. Well if this is an option. But before paying and with a bit of bad luck getting the same problem in 8.1 it would be nice to know what's the cause. You do not have remote console access and a way to mount a virtual cdrom? no. if i can't ssh then i need local help. i'll ask them to try rollback before resorting to cd. It sounds more like kernel and userland are not in sync or something else. This shouldn't be a problem caused by freeb-update though. the handbook describes a procedure: A) 1st freebsd-update install: The kernel and kernel modules will be patched B) reboot C) 2nd freebsd-update install: The state of the process has been saved and thus,freebsd-update will not start from the beginning, but will remove all old shared libraries and object files i'm just guessing... A) did not complete because its shell exited. i was left with a half-patched kernel. when i did freebsd-update install again, instead of doing A) over from scratch, it attempted C) and started dumping cores all over the carpet. result: system can't get the kernel up properly. or another guess... A) did complete while i was disconnected. when i repeated freebsd-update install it attempted C) but because the old kernel was still running it didn't work and started dumping cores all over the carpet. result: system hangs attempting to start some userland part. it seems a pity now that freebsd-update chose to use the same command verb for both A and C. Maybe someone has a clue about this? Is this on real hardware or hosted in a virtual machine setup? real hw. i'm considering going to the clouds. i could easily restore from a vm snapshot. but for that i need to learn linux, another big time sink. add votes here: http://feedback.rackspacecloud.com/forums/71021-product-feedback/suggestion s/989519-create-a-freebsd-image I haven't have this happen with about 30 servers the last three years going from 6 to 7 and to 8, the latter with freebsd-update, rebooting with GENERIC and then building a custom kernel. i haven't done so many but i've had good luck with freebsd-update in the past too. but i haven't had the network fail during the process before. and i didn't have the foresight to use screen. i guess using that is a bit like following the admonitions when reflashing your firmware to have a fully charged battery AND be plugged into the wall. perhaps the handbook could suggest it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
Hi questions@, Original question from Nerius Landys nlan...@gmail.com : Basically I have some cash sitting around. I'm thinking of investing part of it with a company that I believe in. Apple came to mind. You could say that I'd like to judge Apple's moral character before investing money with them. Does anyone know how Apple reciprocates to FreeBSD? After all a lot of MacOSX is borrowed from FreeBSD. I am not seeing Apple's name on this page: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml . Are there other ways in which Apple might be reciprocating? Apple has always enjoyed its dedicated customer base. (Many computer companies have liked to keep users locked, eg Burroughs Algol extensions limiting emigration, IBM PC hardware patents on hardware clones, Microsoft its tricks, Sun Java being logged, licensed not anonymous ftp, mobile phones locked to providers, etc). Apple have used BSD, employed some BSD people, contributed to whatever, But ... Considering an Apple PDA, I asked questions of an Apple enthusiast ~ 3 months back eg: I'd like to code on FreeBSD, mabe cross compile, or just vi on FreeBSD then rdist / rsync or nfs + amd mount to my [maybe Apple] slim device, have ssh rlogin csh/ bash gcc bsd-make, etc on the slim device, share screens under X etc ... is that possible, free easy ? Answer received: No, You'd need an Apple with OS cracks that voids the warranty Didn't seem so BSD friendly to me. Disclaimer/Disclosure: I have no past, present, direct, indirect, employment, trade, investment, with Apple or [PDA etc] competitors. - Aside, On Disclaimers:: Chuck Swiger wrote: Hi-- #include std/disclaimer.h It wouldn't be considered appropriate for Apple employees or contractors (well, outside of the folks working in investor relations, perhaps) to try to persuade someone to invest in a particular company because of which open source projects Apple might be contributing towards. In another context, someone from Apple who was familiar with those contributions might be free to discuss them, but they would generally be expected to not identify their affiliation with Apple to avoid unduly influencing other people or creating a real or perceived conflict of interest. To not declare affiliation for fear it might tilt perception of recipient, would be misguided. A disclaimer such as I work for XYZ. I do not speak for XYZ. would suffice. One declares affiliations to be fair to recipients safeguard oneself. Recipients are informed, can draw their own conclusions, not roast one for undeclared interest :-). Examples: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/about/how-ofcom-is-run/ofcom-board-2/policy-on-conflicts-of-interest/ Section 6: PROVIDED .. there is full transparency about any such interests. http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld/ldcond/code.pdf P3 a full list of Members' financial and other interests is published in the Register of Lords' Interests. Probably more here etc: http://www.transparency.org/ http://ethics.senate.gov/fd.htm Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text; Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base 64. Reply below text sections not at top, to avoid breaking cumulative context. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Thu, March 10, 2011 8:51 am, Tom Worster wrote: i think it's deeper than that. they know what they are doing. back at the beginning, os x was great. finally a decent, user-friendly gui on top of a decent unix-like thing, which, oh joy, felt like bsd. for years, apple improved os x and did some oss work. e.g. webkit is decent stuff. life was good. ms word in this window, terminal in that one, mysql, perl, then the iphone and the disaster of not having an sdk ready (other than mobile safari) happened. they wised up and everything changed. with ios apple has a strategy to get away from all that openness. they are steering developers away from the web and portable web apps. so they are backpedaling on safari and os x as best they can. if they can dominate in mobile hardware for a while longer they may achieve some serious api lock-in. then we will be in trouble. it is the same strategy ms used after they won the browser war with netscape -- they backpedaled on IE, got very deep windows api lock in, and made a load of money. There's another business reason for it as well, I think: When OS X first came out, Apple was a serious underdog. Nearly out of the game entirely, really. That openness helped them by lowering the cost-to-entry of products, and bringing in any product that already supported the standards. Building on open-source technologies also meant they could pick up something that was pre-written, and well-tested. So they got goodwill, a cheap product, and support from third-parties. All of which were vitally important to a company that was battling for it's life against Microsoft. Now they have recovered, and are a solid contender on the desktop on their own, as well as being the undisputed leader in mobile computing. (iPhone/iPad level mobile, though even their laptops have a greater marketshare than their desktops do.) The only one of those reasons that still really applies is goodwill: They already have their product, and third-parties will always try to support the dominant force in the market. (Because that's where their customers are.) Openness in many ways is now a threat: It means that someone who can create a new system that supports the open standards can grab all of Apple's customers easily. Proprietary lock-in is a better bet, as it means that the customers they have will be less likely to leave. It becomes a pain for them to transfer their stuff out of the proprietary ecosystem. This is actually a typical cycle, both in the industry and for Apple itself. The Apple II series was fairly open, and the Mac series was more closed and closed off further until Apple realized they'd gotten themselves in a bad position. Then they opened up again with OS X. To me, at least, it was fully expected. Apple produces awesome, open products, when they have less than 40% or so marketshare. (Extremely random number there.) Above that level of marketshare, their products are usually awesome, but closed, and the awesomeness may or may not be something you use/want. Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Thu 10 Mar 2011 at 05:51:06 PST Tom Worster wrote: and as far as investing in corporate stock is concerned, oss virtue (like environmental virtue or sweat shop virtue) is just so much marketing blather. a corporation's responsibility is to make money for its investors. business ethics is and always will be purely utilitarian. apple has good marketing but don't kid yourself. Unless you're buying newly-minted stock, you aren't giving any money to Apple when you buy shares of AAPL. You're giving money to some other person, who bought the shares a while ago and now wants to cash in. In turn, he might have bought them from another investor. In many cases, you have to go a long way back, sometimes all the way to the IPO, before the money goes to the company. They get money when they issue stock, not when it's traded. What you're doing when you buy stock -- especially stock that pays little or no dividends -- is placing a bet that sometime in the future you'll be able to find someone willing to buy it from you at a higher price than you paid. Moreover, the price of most stocks is determined solely by what people are willing to pay for them. Forget all that noise about sales forecasts, P/E, etc. There is no direct, causal connection between those fundamentals and the stock price. They're as pertinent as a baseball player's batting average is to the price of the bubblegum card with his picture on it. You're trading collectibles, and they're subject to the whims of fashion. In summary, I agree with what has been said about contributing to the FreeBSD Foundation if you really want to help the project. It's a much better use of your money. But if you'd rather trade baseball cards, no one's stopping you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:31:32 -0600, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: Apple produces the clusterfuck that is CUPS, I believe. Apple took over the CUPS project. They didn't write it. They're improving it a lot with every major OSX release, so I'm not sure why you're so upset. Apple is the company that is convincing HP, Brother, Lexmark, etc to agree on a common interface for printing, scanning, faxing, etc. They're doing a lot of good in the printing world. Regards, Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:36:29 +0100 Subject: Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship Aside, On Disclaimers:: Chuck Swiger wrote: Hi-- #include std/disclaimer.h It wouldn't be considered appropriate for Apple employees or contractors (well, outside of the folks working in investor relations, perhaps) to try to persuade someone to invest in a particular company because of which open source projects Apple might be contributing towards. In another context, someone from Apple who was familiar with those contributions might be free to discuss them, but they would generally be expected to not identify their affiliation with Apple to avoid unduly influencing other people or creating a real or perceived conflict of interest. To not declare affiliation for fear it might tilt perception of recipient, would be misguided. A disclaimer such as I work for XYZ. I do not speak for XYZ. would suffice. One declares affiliations to be fair to recipients safeguard oneself. Recipients are informed, can draw their own conclusions, not roast one for undeclared interest :-). Examples: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/about/how-ofcom-is-run/ofcom-board-2/policy-on-c onflicts-of-interest/ Section 6: PROVIDED .. there is full transparency about any such interests. Sorry, Julian, but Chuck had it _legally_ correctly, for the U.S.A.. As soon as someone so much as mentions 'investing' in a company, a whole bunch of rather draconian laws kick in about the offering of investment advice by someone affiliated with the investment entity. This has become very much of a 'hot button' issue in recent years, with a lot of new, *very*strict* laws being enacted, in part because of some of the recent major investment scandals, like Enron, AIG, etc.. Secondly, there is a matter of the 'company policy' of his employer with regard to employees giving 'investment advice' -- even if it is 'on their own time' -- about the company. Even if it isn't against the law, it could easily get him fired, instantly. Almost all publicly held companies (at least in the USA) have an 'investor relations' department, and those are the _only_ employees, other than the CEO, who are authorized give out investment-related information. Further, everything they _do_ give out has been (a) approved by senior management, and (b) 'vetted' by the legal department. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Wed 09 Mar 2011 at 14:00:37 PST Nerius Landys wrote: This is not a technical question. Basically I have some cash sitting around. I'm thinking of investing part of it with a company that I believe in. Apple came to mind. You could say that I'd like to judge Apple's moral character before investing money with them. Does anyone know how Apple reciprocates to FreeBSD? After all a lot of MacOSX is borrowed from FreeBSD. I am not seeing Apple's name on this page: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml . Are there other ways in which Apple might be reciprocating? If memory serves, they've been heavily involved in the LLVM/Clang project. That said, see my other reply today about what buying stock is really all about. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Re: (no subject)
On 10.03.2011 18:38, 6412037...@email.uscc.net wrote: Does OpenBSD use the same kernel as FreeBSD? No. OpenBSD uses the OpenBSD kernel. //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: lost network during freebsd-update install
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:24:30AM -0500, Tom Worster thus spake: On 3/10/11 9:13 AM, Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote: On 03/10/2011 03:03 PM, Tom Worster wrote: at this stage, i have no remote access. even if i could gain access, i wouldn't know what state it's in or how to proceed. it's probably best now to pay for the hosting company to install 8.1 from cd. Well if this is an option. But before paying and with a bit of bad luck getting the same problem in 8.1 it would be nice to know what's the cause. You do not have remote console access and a way to mount a virtual cdrom? no. if i can't ssh then i need local help. i'll ask them to try rollback before resorting to cd. Good idea. Rollback does work, and has worked for me in a very similar situation, and hopefully will work for you as well. After the rollback, reboot, and start again from your initial upgrade command. I would highly recommend using tmux, and also installing a remote console/management card for your system so you can control it remotely. The cost of the card is probably less than remote-hands cost on one support call. -jgh -- Jason Helfman System Administrator experts-exchange.com http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_4830110.html E4AD 7CF1 1396 27F6 79DD 4342 5E92 AD66 8C8C FBA5 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
ZFS snapshot of root filesystem?
Hi, Having a ZFS filesystem on root, such that zfs list shows: zroot with a mountpoint of LEGACY zroot/tmp with a mountpoint of /tmp zroot/usr with a mountpoint of /usr etc. How do I create a snapshot of / ? zfs snapshot zroot/usr@March_10_2011 works fine.. but that snapshots only /usr, not the upper level / right? Thanks a lot. Scott ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS snapshot of root filesystem?
Following up on my own question: zfs snapshot zroot@MARCH_10_2011 is the way to go. Sorry to trouble you. On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Scott Ballantyne boyva...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Having a ZFS filesystem on root, such that zfs list shows: zroot with a mountpoint of LEGACY zroot/tmp with a mountpoint of /tmp zroot/usr with a mountpoint of /usr etc. How do I create a snapshot of / ? zfs snapshot zroot/usr@March_10_2011 works fine.. but that snapshots only /usr, not the upper level / right? Thanks a lot. Scott ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:39:04 -0800 Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net articulated: On Thu 10 Mar 2011 at 05:51:06 PST Tom Worster wrote: and as far as investing in corporate stock is concerned, oss virtue (like environmental virtue or sweat shop virtue) is just so much marketing blather. a corporation's responsibility is to make money for its investors. business ethics is and always will be purely utilitarian. apple has good marketing but don't kid yourself. Unless you're buying newly-minted stock, you aren't giving any money to Apple when you buy shares of AAPL. You're giving money to some other person, who bought the shares a while ago and now wants to cash in. In turn, he might have bought them from another investor. In many cases, you have to go a long way back, sometimes all the way to the IPO, before the money goes to the company. They get money when they issue stock, not when it's traded. What you're doing when you buy stock -- especially stock that pays little or no dividends -- is placing a bet that sometime in the future you'll be able to find someone willing to buy it from you at a higher price than you paid. Moreover, the price of most stocks is determined solely by what people are willing to pay for them. Forget all that noise about sales forecasts, P/E, etc. There is no direct, causal connection between those fundamentals and the stock price. They're as pertinent as a baseball player's batting average is to the price of the bubblegum card with his picture on it. You're trading collectibles, and they're subject to the whims of fashion. In summary, I agree with what has been said about contributing to the FreeBSD Foundation if you really want to help the project. It's a much better use of your money. But if you'd rather trade baseball cards, no one's stopping you. Actually, if the individual buys stock, and there are different types, the purchaser has a possibility of making a profit on his investment. If the stock loses money, there is a real possibility of a tax write off. However, if he donates it to a properly certified organization for a tax write off, then that is all that they will ever receive. If the investor has no use for his money other than creating a tax write off, then that is fine. Of course, we have to keep in mind that the OP did not disclose a specific figure for his investment nor his income bracket, so everything is basically speculation as to what monetary help investing or donating would have on his financial health. He would probably be well advise to see a professional tax consultant prior to following either avenue. Personally, I donate to the Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. I find donating money to help find a cure for a disease or aid those that have all ready contracted it far more satisfying that giving it away to a foundation in the hopes that someday, perhaps they will write a functioning driver for a wireless N device. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ It is always the best policy to tell the truth, unless, of course, you are an exceptionally good liar. Jerome K. Jerome ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: (no subject)
On 10. mars 2011, at 18.38, 6412037...@email.uscc.net wrote: Does OpenBSD use the same kernel as FreeBSD? I think your question about the relationship between *nixes can best be answered by a 4487 × 29437 diagram, which can be found in several formats here: http://www.unix-diagram.org/ Terje ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Mark Felder f...@feld.me wrote: On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:31:32 -0600, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: Apple produces the clusterfuck that is CUPS, I believe. Apple took over the CUPS project. They didn't write it. They're improving it a lot with every major OSX release, so I'm not sure why you're so upset. I think a lot of the hate for CUPS here is NIH syndrome. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
David Brodbeck writes: Apple produces the clusterfuck that is CUPS, I believe. Apple took over the CUPS project. They didn't write it. They're improving it a lot with every major OSX release, so I'm not sure why you're so upset. I think a lot of the hate for CUPS here is NIH syndrome. In my case, the hate is caused by the difficulty in configuration and trouble-shooting (and of course the related documentation mega-fail). Beyond that, it seems to work as advertised. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Nonsensical Web Log Entries
I had to change fxp0 to xl0, but that tcpdump command is very cool, very instructive and very reassuring. Thank you. At 05:57 PM 3/9/2011, Michael J. Kearney wrote: I don't know if I got through the last time but you ... could... add to but not take away from your operational matrices by writing it to a file. Using tcpdump to anylize the traffic on your webserver, It might clear up some of the confusion. tcpdump -i fxp0 -nN -vvv -xX -s 1500 port 80 fale You can also read some of the output data. Eg, here are some of my logs: 168.216.29.89 - - [09/Mar/2011:08:49:15 -0500] GET /index.php?domain=fixitbottld=comlookup=%3E%3E HTTP/1.1 200 5413 - Mozilla /4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322) The query is 8,223 bytes and logged as 5,413 bytes ? The only logical concusion is that the header data is false. Unfortunately the RAW data does not reveal anything more than that. Maybe you will have better luck .. and p.s. I was hanging out with my android earlier, I hope this helps. -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of pe...@vfemail.net Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 3:40 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nonsensical Web Log Entries At 03:02 PM 3/9/2011, pe...@vfemail.net wrote: At 03:06 PM 3/9/2011, Robert Bonomi wrote: From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Mar 9 10:40:23 2011 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 09:57:03 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: pe...@vfemail.net Subject: Nonsensical Web Log Entries I was looking at my Web log this morning, and a bunch of nonsensical entries like these caught my attention: 124.226.181.80 - - [09/Mar/2011:09:49:58 -0500] GET http://www.yahoo.com/ HTTP/1.0 301 294 - Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) 123.10.97.102 - - [09/Mar/2011:09:50:01 -0500] GET http://makeabank.com/faq.cgi HTTP/1.0 404 3485 - Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) 115.225.166.2 - - [09/Mar/2011:09:50:04 -0500] GET http://join1.winhundred.com/affiliate/link.php?ref=35840productid=7178 HTTP/1.0 404 3485 http://www.wingclips.com/; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) 114.97.197.184 - - [09/Mar/2011:09:50:15 -0500] GET http://www.tosunmail.com/proxyheader.php HTTP/1.0 301 313 http://www.cashsoldier.com/VerifyerLevel.php; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) Is my FreeBSD box serving as some kind of Web proxy? Your box is _not_ doing the proxying. that's why it's signalling errors for those requests. The perpetrators are _hoping_ you are running a misconfigured proxying front- end. Does this entry change your conclusion: 188.134.62.20 - - [09/Mar/2011:12:15:04 -0500] GET http://images.google.com/ HTTP/1.1 200 13134 - - Here's another entry that's too bizarre for words: 218.172.209.123 - - [09/Mar/2011:15:38:29 -0500] \x16\x03\x01 200 13107 - - - This message sent via VFEmail.net http://www.vfemail.net $14.95 Lifetime accounts! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org - This message sent via VFEmail.net http://www.vfemail.net $14.95 Lifetime accounts! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:53:47 -0800 David Brodbeck g...@gull.us articulated: On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Mark Felder f...@feld.me wrote: On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:31:32 -0600, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: Apple produces the clusterfuck that is CUPS, I believe. Apple took over the CUPS project. They didn't write it. They're improving it a lot with every major OSX release, so I'm not sure why you're so upset. I think a lot of the hate for CUPS here is NIH syndrome. Seriously, it goes way, way beyond CUPS. Just look at the debauchery regarding a HAL replacement. Instead of the different distros creating a uniform replacement, they are each intent on reinventing the wheel with their own implementation. In the end, nobody gains and the status quo per se remains as fragmented as ever. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ It is always the best policy to tell the truth, unless, of course, you are an exceptionally good liar. Jerome K. Jerome ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Thu 10 Mar 2011 at 10:48:05 PST Jerry wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:39:04 -0800 Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net articulated: On Thu 10 Mar 2011 at 05:51:06 PST Tom Worster wrote: and as far as investing in corporate stock is concerned, oss virtue (like environmental virtue or sweat shop virtue) is just so much marketing blather. a corporation's responsibility is to make money for its investors. business ethics is and always will be purely utilitarian. apple has good marketing but don't kid yourself. Unless you're buying newly-minted stock, you aren't giving any money to Apple when you buy shares of AAPL. You're giving money to some other person, who bought the shares a while ago and now wants to cash in. In turn, he might have bought them from another investor. In many cases, you have to go a long way back, sometimes all the way to the IPO, before the money goes to the company. They get money when they issue stock, not when it's traded. What you're doing when you buy stock -- especially stock that pays little or no dividends -- is placing a bet that sometime in the future you'll be able to find someone willing to buy it from you at a higher price than you paid. Moreover, the price of most stocks is determined solely by what people are willing to pay for them. Forget all that noise about sales forecasts, P/E, etc. There is no direct, causal connection between those fundamentals and the stock price. They're as pertinent as a baseball player's batting average is to the price of the bubblegum card with his picture on it. You're trading collectibles, and they're subject to the whims of fashion. In summary, I agree with what has been said about contributing to the FreeBSD Foundation if you really want to help the project. It's a much better use of your money. But if you'd rather trade baseball cards, no one's stopping you. Actually, if the individual buys stock, and there are different types, the purchaser has a possibility of making a profit on his investment. I certainly wouldn't deny this. I said as much, when I talked about finding a buyer willing to pay more for the shares than you did. There are other ways to profit, as you've pointed out. I don't deny those either. My main point was that buying stock is usually an ineffective way to support a company that is doing something you like. At best, by bidding up the stock price, you increase the value of the portfolios held by the company's executives and board members. But whether they will interpret that increase in their wealth as a signal that they should do more of what you like is the big question. In Apple's case, I think they would be more likely to see it as a reason to do more of the proprietary and immensely profitable kind of things they've been doing with the iPhone. Giving the money to the FreeBSD Foundation sends a clearer signal about how you want it spent. Especially if you earmark it for a specific project. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.netwrote: Especially if you earmark it for a specific project. You can't do that via a donation to the FreeBSD Foundation, only offer a suggestion. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 01:48:05PM -0500, Jerry wrote: Personally, I donate to the Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. I find donating money to help find a cure for a disease or aid those that have all ready contracted it far more satisfying that giving it away to a foundation in the hopes that someday, perhaps they will write a functioning driver for a wireless N device. On the other hand, as computing technology continues to advance at an accelerating rate, we will increasingly see such technology serving an ever-more important role in reasearch within innumerable fields, including cancer research. Consider an analogy that should be familiar with sysadmins everywhere: You need to do something two or three times a day. To accomplish this task, you make a change to a configuration file, then issue a command like /etc/rc.d/foo restart. There are three possible changes you might need to make to the configuration file. It'll take you about twenty seconds to make the change, and another three to five seconds to issue that command and wait for the service to restart. You could spend up to twenty-five seconds for all this to happen, or you could write a script that takes a single argument specifying which of three edits you want to apply to the config file and, after making that change, restarts the service in question. This entire process of writing the script takes about five minutes, plus three to five to run your new script. Five minutes and five seconds is a lot longer than twenty-five seconds. . . . but your sum total time spent on each subsequent occasion is only that five seconds. By spending four and a half minutes or so up front, you save yourself (conservatively estimating) about five minutes within three weeks. This is what automation buys us -- and automation is what computers provide . . . very *easy* automation. I've rambled on about this subject to some extent in another venue: Code Reuse and Technological Advancement http://blogstrapping.com/?page=2011.060.00.28.21 My point, though, is sipmle. Initial investment in something that is not direct work on a goal that is important to you can, if it helps to automate the tasks that *do* work directly toward that goal, is often the wisest investment toward that end. This is why we have admin scripts instead of doing everything by hand every time. It is also why, all else being equal, I prefer to invest in the advancement of computing technology rather than picking and choosing between other things that are important to me (including research in cancer and Alzheimer's medical fields). Just as the script in my hypothetical example above automates not one, but *three* different (but related) use cases, investing in computing technology provides greater research leverage in not one, but *many* other fields. More to the point, because of some of the realities of code reuse as described in the above-mentioned essay *Code Reuse and Technological Advancement*, I make a point of focusing my efforts on copyfree licensed software such as the (majority of) the FreeBSD project. Your mileage may vary. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpzzi3sLHFKc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: (no subject)
On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 19:53 +0100, Terje Elde wrote: On 10. mars 2011, at 18.38, 6412037...@email.uscc.net wrote: Does OpenBSD use the same kernel as FreeBSD? I think your question about the relationship between *nixes can best be answered by a 4487 × 29437 diagram, which can be found in several formats here: http://www.unix-diagram.org/ or this one: http://www.levenez.com/unix/ -- Devin Terje ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 02:00:37PM -0800, Nerius Landys wrote: This is not a technical question. Basically I have some cash sitting around. I'm thinking of investing part of it with a company that I believe in. Apple came to mind. You could say that I'd like to judge Apple's moral character before investing money with them. A public company can't really have moral character. They are required to do whatever it takes to maximize profit for it's shareholders regardless of any moral considerations. Any ethical behaviour a public company may or may not display is determined by law and/or PR requirements. What I'm trying to say is that expecting a public company to be somehow inherently ethical or unethical is unreasonable (except Google and Facebook, of course, they're evil :D) Does anyone know how Apple reciprocates to FreeBSD? After all a lot of MacOSX is borrowed from FreeBSD. I am not seeing Apple's name on this page: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml . Are there other ways in which Apple might be reciprocating? As far as I'm aware their free/open source software contributions are not strictly FreeBSD specific, but FreeBSD does benefit. Off the top of my head, there's the Grand Central Dispatch framework which got ported to FreeBSD, and the LLVM/Clang which will soon replace GCC as the system compiler in FreeBSD (both very cool stuff). I'd say that if your investment criterion is how much is company X giving back to the community, you could do a lot worse than Apple. Since you say you want to *invest* I won't try to persuade you to donate to the FreeBSD Foundation ;). -- No one should have to wait until after ten o'clock for his english muffin! -- Snoopy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Nonsensical Web Log Entries
How is your research going along? No harm no foul, right? Did you find what you had expected to find or some other anomoly? I'm stuck with these packets trying to reverse engineer the software that rendered them... lol pe...@vfemail.net pe...@vfemail.net wrote: I had to change fxp0 to xl0, but that tcpdump command is very cool, very instructive and very reassuring. Thank you. At 05:57 PM 3/9/2011, Michael J. Kearney wrote: I don't know if I got through the last time but you ... could... add to but not take away from your operational matrices by writing it to a file. Using tcpdump to anylize the traffic on your webserver, It might clear up some of the confusion. tcpdump -i fxp0 -nN -vvv -xX -s 1500 port 80 fale You can also read some of the output data. Eg, here are some of my logs: 168.216.29.89 - - [09/Mar/2011:08:49:15 -0500] GET /index.php?domain=fixitbottld=comlookup=%3E%3E HTTP/1.1 200 5413 - Mozilla /4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322) The query is 8,223 bytes and logged as 5,413 bytes ? The only logical concusion is that the header data is false. Unfortunately the RAW data does not reveal anything more than that. Maybe you will have better luck .. and p.s. I was hanging out with my android earlier, I hope this helps. -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of pe...@vfemail.net Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 3:40 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nonsensical Web Log Entries At 03:02 PM 3/9/2011, pe...@vfemail.net wrote: At 03:06 PM 3/9/2011, Robert Bonomi wrote: From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Mar 9 10:40:23 2011 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 09:57:03 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: pe...@vfemail.net Subject: Nonsensical Web Log Entries I was looking at my Web log this morning, and a bunch of nonsensical entries like these caught my attention: 124.226.181.80 - - [09/Mar/2011:09:49:58 -0500] GET http://www.yahoo.com/ HTTP/1.0 301 294 - Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) 123.10.97.102 - - [09/Mar/2011:09:50:01 -0500] GET http://makeabank.com/faq.cgi HTTP/1.0 404 3485 - Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) 115.225.166.2 - - [09/Mar/2011:09:50:04 -0500] GET http://join1.winhundred.com/affiliate/link.php?ref=35840productid=7178 HTTP/1.0 404 3485 http://www.wingclips.com/; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) 114.97.197.184 - - [09/Mar/2011:09:50:15 -0500] GET http://www.tosunmail.com/proxyheader.php HTTP/1.0 301 313 http://www.cashsoldier.com/VerifyerLevel.php; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) Is my FreeBSD box serving as some kind of Web proxy? Your box is _not_ doing the proxying. that's why it's signalling errors for those requests. The perpetrators are _hoping_ you are running a misconfigured proxying front- end. Does this entry change your conclusion: 188.134.62.20 - - [09/Mar/2011:12:15:04 -0500] GET http://images.google.com/ HTTP/1.1 200 13134 - - Here's another entry that's too bizarre for words: 218.172.209.123 - - [09/Mar/2011:15:38:29 -0500] \x16\x03\x01 200 13107 - - - This message sent via VFEmail.net http://www.vfemail.net $14.95 Lifetime accounts! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org - This message sent via VFEmail.net http://www.vfemail.net $14.95 Lifetime accounts! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On 3/10/11 2:39 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Charlie Kestercorky1...@comcast.netwrote: Especially if you earmark it for a specific project. You can't do that via a donation to the FreeBSD Foundation, only offer a suggestion. If the amount of money is large enough, I strongly suspect you could negotiate an exception to that -- --Jon Radel j...@radel.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: using dovecot, where is ICOMING mail stored?
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 09:38:21AM +0800, Foo JH wrote: On 3/10/2011 9:23 AM, Gary Kline wrote: Does anybody know about this obscure stuff? Disclaimer: I don't really know much about dovecot, except that it's a much better IMAP daemon than courier - I don't think dovecot handles SMTP: in other words it does not handle incoming mails. What services did you enable on dovecot? Nothing; zero. Since I did not set it up [ with sendmail ], I just let it do it's thing. I use mutt mostly; evolution for GUI use; there is some SMTP interface between evo and dovecot. Since this has worked for three years, I've just relied on it gary PS: There is zero excuse for my ignoranance, so if there any any pages that explain this, please clue me in if you have time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: using dovecot, where is ICOMING mail stored?
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 01:03:43PM +, Daniel Bye wrote: On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 05:23:34PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: Does anybody know about this obscure stuff? [[ ... ]] If you haven't changed the dovecot config file, look in it for the mail_location setting. For example, mine is set to: mail_location = maildir:~/Maildir From what you say above, about backups of ~/Maildir, I would expect you to find something very similar. If that's not what you find, try looking in the location it does point to. If you still have no luck, look at your SMTP server's config and figure out how it handles local deliveries. For example, my exim install is set up to send messages for local delivery through a pipe to the maildrop program, which in turn delivers them to folders under my ~/Maildir according to my filtering rules. By SMTP [Simple??] I'm guessing you are referring to my sendmail. Yes?/no? I've always considered sendmail as a transport agent, period. I have poked around in /etc/mail and wasn't sure what to look for. I can grep -r and find the dovecot config. I haven't touched it. I did try pointing mutt -f at my saved backup /usr/tmp/.../Maildir. Nothing. My copies of saved mail are there, but not what was in the unread queue. I was testing out mutt from a laptop and that has to have been when I accidentially deleted stuff. Too bad there isn't a page on howto set up a mailserver ... for dimwits gary Good luck! Dan -- Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Nonsensical Web Log Entries
I'm still kind of confused about why Apache doesn't say what in the world are you talking about when these bizarre requests arrive, but there's no indication that anything untoward is occurring. Perhaps newer versions do. I'm using what's probably a really old installation. At 03:33 PM 3/10/2011, Michael J. Kearney wrote: How is your research going along? No harm no foul, right? Did you find what you had expected to find or some other anomoly? I'm stuck with these packets trying to reverse engineer the software that rendered them... lol pe...@vfemail.net pe...@vfemail.net wrote: I had to change fxp0 to xl0, but that tcpdump command is very cool, very instructive and very reassuring. Thank you. At 05:57 PM 3/9/2011, Michael J. Kearney wrote: I don't know if I got through the last time but you ... could... add to but not take away from your operational matrices by writing it to a file. Using tcpdump to anylize the traffic on your webserver, It might clear up some of the confusion. tcpdump -i fxp0 -nN -vvv -xX -s 1500 port 80 fale You can also read some of the output data. Eg, here are some of my logs: 168.216.29.89 - - [09/Mar/2011:08:49:15 -0500] GET /index.php?domain=fixitbottld=comlookup=%3E%3E HTTP/1.1 200 5413 - Mozilla /4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322) The query is 8,223 bytes and logged as 5,413 bytes ? The only logical concusion is that the header data is false. Unfortunately the RAW data does not reveal anything more than that. Maybe you will have better luck .. and p.s. I was hanging out with my android earlier, I hope this helps. -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of pe...@vfemail.net Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 3:40 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nonsensical Web Log Entries At 03:02 PM 3/9/2011, pe...@vfemail.net wrote: At 03:06 PM 3/9/2011, Robert Bonomi wrote: From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Mar 9 10:40:23 2011 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 09:57:03 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: pe...@vfemail.net Subject: Nonsensical Web Log Entries I was looking at my Web log this morning, and a bunch of nonsensical entries like these caught my attention: 124.226.181.80 - - [09/Mar/2011:09:49:58 -0500] GET http://www.yahoo.com/ HTTP/1.0 301 294 - Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) 123.10.97.102 - - [09/Mar/2011:09:50:01 -0500] GET http://makeabank.com/faq.cgi HTTP/1.0 404 3485 - Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) 115.225.166.2 - - [09/Mar/2011:09:50:04 -0500] GET http://join1.winhundred.com/affiliate/link.php?ref=35840productid=7178 HTTP/1.0 404 3485 http://www.wingclips.com/; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) 114.97.197.184 - - [09/Mar/2011:09:50:15 -0500] GET http://www.tosunmail.com/proxyheader.php HTTP/1.0 301 313 http://www.cashsoldier.com/VerifyerLevel.php; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) Is my FreeBSD box serving as some kind of Web proxy? Your box is _not_ doing the proxying. that's why it's signalling errors for those requests. The perpetrators are _hoping_ you are running a misconfigured proxying front- end. Does this entry change your conclusion: 188.134.62.20 - - [09/Mar/2011:12:15:04 -0500] GET http://images.google.com/ HTTP/1.1 200 13134 - - Here's another entry that's too bizarre for words: 218.172.209.123 - - [09/Mar/2011:15:38:29 -0500] \x16\x03\x01 200 13107 - - - This message sent via VFEmail.net http://www.vfemail.net $14.95 Lifetime accounts! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org - This message sent via VFEmail.net http://www.vfemail.net $14.95 Lifetime accounts! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org - This message sent via VFEmail.net http://www.vfemail.net $14.95 Lifetime accounts! 15GB
Re[2]: (no subject)
Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:48:42 + письмо от Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com: On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 19:53 +0100, Terje Elde wrote: On 10. mars 2011, at 18.38, 6412037...@email.uscc.net wrote: Does OpenBSD use the same kernel as FreeBSD? I think your question about the relationship between *nixes can best be answered by a 4487 × 29437 diagram, which can be found in several formats here: http://www.unix-diagram.org/ or this one: http://www.levenez.com/unix/ -- Devin Terje ...or if you want a version with references and/or be running a FreeBSD server without a GUI, there is of course:) /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:46:42 +0100, Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote: Do you plan to update FreeBSD and installed ports on your servers on a regular basis? Then I would not recommend installing graphical window ports (applications) on these servers, because it can give you a lot of time, work e.g. unnecessary hassle when upgrading/updating. I would suggest that, too. Allow me to point out a new perspective of the way of use: GUI forces you to work in a linear way and pay extra attention. You cannot automate it. Depending on what your primary intention is, using CLI tools to get rid of hands on work may be a better choice. This approach of course assumes that you actually KNOW what you're doing, but that's a main requirement for any administrator. :-) Webmin is a good GUI progam (from client perspective) for administering your servers, it just runs in your clients webbrowser and you can administer almost every aspect of your servers with it. That's true, but it brings new security risks to the system. Also keep in mind that using a web browser limits your accessibility to what the browser can do (and the Webmin can support), e. g. you may be faster using a shell with patterns and autocompletition than manually selecting things from a list. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: xpdf can not print via cups if started from firefox
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:38:19 +0100, O. Hartmann ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: On 03/08/11 16:51, Warren Block wrote: On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, O. Hartmann wrote: I've got a weird problem here. Very often I download scientific papers as pdf from protals and they got opened via firefox3 with the configured propper utility, in this case xpdf. In such a case, printing is impossible. I hit the print button, a popup shows up with the configured CUPS printing queue, but hitting OK doesn't have any effect. The funny thing is: when opening the same PDF (it is stored in /tmp/) with xpdf by starting xpdf from a terminal, printing on the same queue works well. In your .xpdfrc, do you specify a full path to the CUPS lpr? I did now and it hasn't any effect. Maybe you're experiencing a caching problem? I would guess that as you stated there is a temporary file, this should not happen (in relation to Firefox) there should at least be an error message. Did you try to enter the full command into xpdf's printing dialog, e. g. /usr/local/bin/lpr -Pprinter, just in case the .xpdfrc setting hasn't been read upon program start? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: using dovecot, where is ICOMING mail stored?
--As of March 10, 2011 1:36:45 PM -0800, Gary Kline is alleged to have said: I did try pointing mutt -f at my saved backup /usr/tmp/.../Maildir. Nothing. My copies of saved mail are there, but not what was in the unread queue. I was testing out mutt from a laptop and that has to have been when I accidentially deleted stuff. Too bad there isn't a page on howto set up a mailserver ... for dimwits --As for the rest, it is mine. Ok, my suggestion: First, install Postfix, and check the config option to replace Sendmail. (Sendmail works just fine. It also can be configured to play tic-tack-toe[1]. A mailer that does _not_ have a Turing-complete config file is a lot easier to set up, and you probably won't ever need to use Sendmail's esoteric options. ;) ) Then: http://www.perturb.org/display/Postfix___Dovecot___Maildir___IMAPs.html It's a quick walkthrough. It assumes Linux, but that only means the command to install the programs and the location of the config file is wrong. It should get you up and running. Your mail is probably in /var/mail. That's the default location for mbox files, and you've probably missed setting up Maildir delivery. I don't know how to set that in Sendmail off the top of my head, but it's easy enough to use Postfix. Daniel T. Staal [1]This is assuming what I've heard on a Turing-complete config file is correct, and not hyperbole. If it's not completely Turing-complete, it's at least very complex. --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
Sorry, Julian, but Chuck had it _legally_ correctly, for the U.S.A.. ... etc ... Thanks for the explanation Robert. Sad that people are not free to speak. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text; Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base 64. Reply below text sections not at top, to avoid breaking cumulative context. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Re[2]: (no subject)
On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 01:42 +0300, Австин Ким wrote: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:48:42 + письмо от Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com: On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 19:53 +0100, Terje Elde wrote: On 10. mars 2011, at 18.38, 6412037...@email.uscc.net wrote: Does OpenBSD use the same kernel as FreeBSD? I think your question about the relationship between *nixes can best be answered by a 4487 × 29437 diagram, which can be found in several formats here: http://www.unix-diagram.org/ or this one: http://www.levenez.com/unix/ -- Devin Terje ...or if you want a version with references and/or be running a FreeBSD server without a GUI, there is of course:) /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree Wow, I never knew about that. Great stuff! -- Devin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: lost network during freebsd-update install
On 3/10/11 12:48 PM, Jason Helfman jhelf...@e-e.com wrote: Good idea. Rollback does work, and has worked for me in a very similar situation, and hopefully will work for you as well. After the rollback, reboot, and start again from your initial upgrade command. I would highly recommend using tmux, and also installing a remote console/management card for your system so you can control it remotely. The cost of the card is probably less than remote-hands cost on one support call. so my support person called and said that it did boot to single user mode but was in a dreadful mess and rollback didn't work. loads of really basic programs, stuff that freebsd-update uses, were missing, like id(1). oh well. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
Well. I don't really know what I'm doing but you offer some great advice, thanks. For an old man I learn fast, I don't mind doing research and of course RTFM :-) On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 01:10 +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:46:42 +0100, Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote: Do you plan to update FreeBSD and installed ports on your servers on a regular basis? Then I would not recommend installing graphical window ports (applications) on these servers, because it can give you a lot of time, work e.g. unnecessary hassle when upgrading/updating. I would suggest that, too. Allow me to point out a new perspective of the way of use: GUI forces you to work in a linear way and pay extra attention. You cannot automate it. Depending on what your primary intention is, using CLI tools to get rid of hands on work may be a better choice. This approach of course assumes that you actually KNOW what you're doing, but that's a main requirement for any administrator. :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: xpdf can not print via cups if started from firefox
On 03/11/11 01:13, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:38:19 +0100, O. Hartmannohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: On 03/08/11 16:51, Warren Block wrote: On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, O. Hartmann wrote: I've got a weird problem here. Very often I download scientific papers as pdf from protals and they got opened via firefox3 with the configured propper utility, in this case xpdf. In such a case, printing is impossible. I hit the print button, a popup shows up with the configured CUPS printing queue, but hitting OK doesn't have any effect. The funny thing is: when opening the same PDF (it is stored in /tmp/) with xpdf by starting xpdf from a terminal, printing on the same queue works well. In your .xpdfrc, do you specify a full path to the CUPS lpr? I did now and it hasn't any effect. Maybe you're experiencing a caching problem? I would guess that as you stated there is a temporary file, this should not happen (in relation to Firefox) there should at least be an error message. Did you try to enter the full command into xpdf's printing dialog, e. g. /usr/local/bin/lpr -Pprinter, just in case the .xpdfrc setting hasn't been read upon program start? Yes, I did, still the same problem. I have the strange feeling that a firefox-started xpdf doesn't know anything about CUPS and its printing queues. I try to figure out how to log this ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: lost network during freebsd-update install
On 03/10/2011 04:24 PM, Tom Worster wrote: before resorting to cd. Hi, I've read your last post, this sucks. I missed a point which you have thought about (see below) The best thing would have been either rollback or reboot and continue, see below. the handbook describes a procedure: A) 1st freebsd-update install: The kernel and kernel modules will be patched B) reboot C) 2nd freebsd-update install: The state of the process has been saved and thus,freebsd-update will not start from the beginning, but will remove all old shared libraries and object files i'm just guessing... A) did not complete because its shell exited. i was left with a half-patched kernel. when i did freebsd-update install again, instead of doing A) over from scratch, it attempted C) and started dumping cores all over the carpet. result: system can't get the kernel up properly. or another guess... A) did complete while i was disconnected. when i repeated freebsd-update install it attempted C) but because the old kernel was still running it didn't work and started dumping cores all over the carpet. result: system hangs attempting to start some userland part. I guess you're right here. When ssh disconnects the shell does not immediatly exit, it takes some minutes. So freebsd-update succesfully installed the kernel and when you got connected again and ran install the second time it tried to install a new userland on top of the old running kernel which in case of this major version upgrade did not work. Why so much stuff is missing though is not clear to me, I would think that freebsd-update just overwrites the old binaries. it seems a pity now that freebsd-update chose to use the same command verb for both A and C. It would be nice if freebsd-update had the same command sequence (without the build parts) as in a source upgrade. First fetch of course, then freebsd-update installkernel with a message to reboot on succes or rollback on failure, then after reboot freebsd-update installworld, with a check if the new kernel is actually loaded, after that and rebuilding ports freebsd-update delete-old-libs I would like to know how others think about this approach, or am I thinking completely wrong here? real hw. i'm considering going to the clouds. i could easily restore from a vm snapshot. but for that i need to learn linux, another big time sink. add votes here: http://feedback.rackspacecloud.com/forums/71021-product-feedback/suggestion s/989519-create-a-freebsd-image Voted. I run FreeBSD on real hardware and in virtual machines, both work fine over the years. Hope you have your server up and running again and from your posts I trust you have good backups and a reliable fast way to restore. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
On 03/11/2011 01:10 AM, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:46:42 +0100, Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote: Do you plan to update FreeBSD and installed ports on your servers on a regular basis? Then I would not recommend installing graphical window ports (applications) on these servers, because it can give you a lot of time, work e.g. unnecessary hassle when upgrading/updating. I would suggest that, too. Allow me to point out a new perspective of the way of use: GUI forces you to work in a linear way and pay extra attention. You cannot automate it. Depending on what your primary intention is, using CLI tools to get rid of hands on work may be a better choice. This approach of course assumes that you actually KNOW what you're doing, but that's a main requirement for any administrator. :-) I definitely agree here. Webmin is a good GUI progam (from client perspective) for administering your servers, it just runs in your clients webbrowser and you can administer almost every aspect of your servers with it. That's true, but it brings new security risks to the system. Also keep in mind that using a web browser limits your accessibility to what the browser can do (and the Webmin can support), e. g. you may be faster using a shell with patterns and autocompletition than manually selecting things from a list. Agree here too. Webmin can be secured and audited very well, but still the more services that are available, the greater the security risks will be. Only from the commandline you have all options for configuration of different services available and it's the fastest way to do things. For graphical oriented users I think that Webmin is a real good solution and gives a way to get into the use of the commandline and configuration files. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: lost network during freebsd-update install
Bas Smeelen wrote: It would be nice if freebsd-update had the same command sequence (without the build parts) as in a source upgrade. First fetch of course, then freebsd-update installkernel with a message to reboot on succes or rollback on failure, then after reboot freebsd-update installworld, with a check if the new kernel is actually loaded, after that and rebuilding ports freebsd-update delete-old-libs This is not helpful directly, but zfs to the rescue in these circumstances. It makes updates and early/deep boot failures a lot easier to recover from. Transactional binary updates is a very nice thing ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
