Re: Request for a package or port...

2008-01-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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David J Brooks wrote:
 On Saturday 12 January 2008 12:40:02 am rpj911 wrote:
 Hello,

 I've been using Linux for  a few years and just switched to
 DesktopBSD, very nice. If it's not too much trouble, could you
 guys port or create a package for the Mnemosyne Project. It's a
 flashcard program...

 Thanks.

 Bob Cincinnati, Ohio

 I just checked it out. Being a python program mnemosyne installs
 and runs just fine without any porting really needed. Just extract
 the tar.gz file from sourceforge.net into something like
 /usr/ports/local and follow the instructions included in the
 README.  You should be able to install all the dependencies listed
 there from ports.


If your feeling adventurous you could make a port for it even.


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Re: changing the postion of a partion in fdisk

2008-01-08 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Jerry McAllister wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 10:33:04PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:

 I have my FreeBSD partition as partition 1 and my ntfs as
 partition 2 but Vista insists that there is no suitable partion
 to install to (even though the ntfs partition is big enough)...
 after some research I found that vista absolutely insists that
 the ntfs partition be partition 1... how do I swap them and/or
 delete the ntfs one and renumber it so freebsd is in partion slot
 2 (with nothing in 1 and then I can use fdisk to make a new slot
 1)

 Well, you can use fdisk from the fixit shell to make your slice 2
 (note the primary divisions are called 'slices' in FreeBSD) in to a
 FreeBSD type and then create your FreeBSD partitions in it and
 build FreeBSD filesystems there.

I think I should of been a little more specific the physical layout is
completely correct (i.e. the sizes, start/end tracks, etc.) the only
problem is the logical numbering of the partitions/slices in the mbr
idea of the table... namely I just need to relabel them not modify
them in any way.

 Then, still using the fixit, use dump/restore to copy the contents
 of the FreeBSD filesystems over. Assuming the major slices are
 ad0s1 and ad0s2, then something like: mkdir /oldroot mount /ad0s1a
 /oldroot mkdir /newroot mount /ad0s2a /newroot cd /newroot dump 0af
 - / | restore -rf -

 That will get the root partition/filesystem. Do appropriately
 similar for the rest of the FreeBSD filesystems.

 Note that while in fixit, the running root (/) is in a memory
 filesystem which will go away after you reboot.  So, those mount
 points you create (oldroot, newroot, etc) are temporary.

 Then use a utility such as gparted (freely downloadable as ISO) to
 convert the #1 slice into NTFS and install Vista there. You might
 be able to get FreeBSD's fdisk to do the convesion to NTFS, but I
 have never tried that.  You would have to know the code number for
 it.

 jerry

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Re: changing the postion of a partion in fdisk

2008-01-08 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Jerry McAllister wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 05:08:15PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:

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 Jerry McAllister wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 10:33:04PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman
 wrote:

 I have my FreeBSD partition as partition 1 and my ntfs as
 partition 2 but Vista insists that there is no suitable
 partion to install to (even though the ntfs partition is big
 enough)... after some research I found that vista absolutely
 insists that the ntfs partition be partition 1... how do I
 swap them and/or delete the ntfs one and renumber it so
 freebsd is in partion slot 2 (with nothing in 1 and then I
 can use fdisk to make a new slot 1)
 Well, you can use fdisk from the fixit shell to make your slice
 2 (note the primary divisions are called 'slices' in FreeBSD)
 in to a FreeBSD type and then create your FreeBSD partitions in
 it and build FreeBSD filesystems there.
 I think I should of been a little more specific the physical
 layout is completely correct (i.e. the sizes, start/end tracks,
 etc.) the only problem is the logical numbering of the
 partitions/slices in the mbr idea of the table... namely I just
 need to relabel them not modify them in any way.

 I don't think you can make slice 2 become slice 1.  The system
 numbers them in order of appearance.  This comes from BIOS standard
 usage.
2 starts before 1 in my case?!??!

% fdisk
*** Working on device /dev/ad8 ***
parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are:
cylinders=969021 heads=16 sectors/track=63 (1008 blks/cyl)

Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1
parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are:
cylinders=969021 heads=16 sectors/track=63 (1008 blks/cyl)

Media sector size is 512
Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1
Information from DOS bootblock is:
The data for partition 1 is:
sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
start 62910540, size 913857525 (446219 Meg), flag 80 (active)
beg: cyl 1023/ head 255/ sector 63;
end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63
The data for partition 2 is:
sysid 7 (0x07),(OS/2 HPFS, NTFS, QNX-2 (16 bit) or Advanced UNIX)
start 63, size 62910477 (30718 Meg), flag 80 (active)
beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1;
end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63
The data for partition 3 is:
UNUSED
The data for partition 4 is:
UNUSED

2

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changing the postion of a partion in fdisk

2008-01-07 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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I have my FreeBSD partition as partition 1 and my ntfs as partition 2
but Vista insists that there is no suitable partion to install to
(even though the ntfs partition is big enough)... after some research
I found that vista absolutely insists that the ntfs partition be
partition 1... how do I swap them and/or delete the ntfs one and
renumber it so freebsd is in partion slot 2 (with nothing in 1 and
then I can use fdisk to make a new slot 1)

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Re: [HOW-TO] cvsup for ports -- Re: compact portsnap db

2008-01-06 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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If you don't have cvsup installed, run this command: # pkg_add -r
cvsup-without-gui
  
   It is better to use all ports or all packages so either do:

 Why do you say that?  Do you know of unresolved issues regarding the
 interactions of port versus package installations?  Any references?

I am not currently aware of any conflicts but the fact that they have
historical been more frequent then inter-port or inter-package
conflicts leads to the conculsion... unlike either of the above they
are harder to troubleshoot

   cd /usr/ports/net/cvsup-without-gui
   make install clean
  
   or after doing the above do a pkg_delete -a (assuming that your
   working with a clean machine [no ports/packages instaleld except cvsup]

 Why wouldn't pkg_delete -a remove your just-installed cvsup-without-gui?

Sorry for not being clear I meant before the reinstall (besides make
install would fail if you hadn't done a pkg_delete -a)

For more info on the supfile, look at this file on your FreeBSD
machine: /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile
   
Preferring cvsup to portsnap is kinda like preferring vim over
emacs...  It's a holy war and the vi/cvsup side uses less disk
space.
  
   Actually it is not like that at all.. cvsup/csup is the officially
   preferred method and any other method is a short cut of some kind...

 Please provide a reference URL to 'official' support of this claim?

This is a case of actions by the developer community speaks louder
then words:

1. Csup is in the base system thus obvious preferred to either cvsup
or portsnap
2. C(v)sup is more universal
3. The only way to maintain an official local repo is via cvsup

   many of them have very subtle issues that the typical end-user should
   not notice but should be aware of...

 Issues such as?  And what other alternatives to c*sup and portsnap exist
 for ports tree management?

I can think of several off the top my head:

1. Ftp ports.tar.gz and unpack
2. Maintain a local repo like I do
3. Use portupgrade in conjunction with the above

I was specifically refeering to the 3rd option when I said there where
subtle issues.   Speicfically the way make install (recursive) and
portupgrade -a calculate the build order can lead to some issues
(like compiling the default OPTIONS before asking the user to select
OPTIONS)

 ooroo, Ian




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Re: [HOW-TO] cvsup for ports -- Re: compact portsnap db

2008-01-06 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Ian Smith wrote:
 On Sun, 6 Jan 2008, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:

 If you don't have cvsup installed, run this command: #
 pkg_add -r cvsup-without-gui

 It is better to use all ports or all packages so either do:

 Why do you say that?  Do you know of unresolved issues
 regarding the interactions of port versus package
 installations?  Any references?

 I am not currently aware of any conflicts but the fact that they
 have historical been more frequent then inter-port or
 inter-package conflicts leads to the conculsion... unlike either
 of the above they are harder to troubleshoot

 The only problems I've ever seen with installing packages is that
 at times the package-building farm gets a bit behind, when you
 might need to build a desired newly updated port from source, and
 that in some cases a package built with default options may not be
 what you want. php5 is one example of the latter, as the default
 options do not include mod_php5 which (I gather?) is why most
 people install php at all.

The main issue is assuming that certain things are installed because
that is the way the developers recommend it then you install a package
and find out that the maintainer had different ideas.   A very good
current example is boost vs. boost-python in regards to the
requirements for deluge and miro respectivally.   An other example is
the entire Java tree.

 And yes there are some ports that don't have packages for licencing
 etc reasons, though I can't recall ever having to install one of
 those.

I am the author (but not the maintainer) of such a port
(devel/thistest) and there is often very legit reasons for not
allowing packages... for example my license requires explicit
agreement before you can download the source and/or binaries (because
it has specific provisions regarding execution vs. source usage [see
my blog for more details...
http://www.flosoft-systems.com/flosoft_systems_community/blogs/aryeh/index.php]).

 Not everyone has fast hardware and good bandwidth, so installing
 from packages for really big ports - such as X, KDE or Gnome,
 j{dk,re}, OO and such - is almost mandatory on smaller systems.
 Release CDs install at least the former three as packages of
 course, for obvious reasons, and at least around release times, up
 to date packages can be expected.

My experience has been every time I have attempted to make the two
play together well it blows up.  It has been so long since I have used
a package vs. a port I can't site a specific example.

 I just think saying it's better to use all ports or all packages
 is poor and maybe misleading advice, particularly expressed without
 'IMHO', as it implies problems that RE should know about -
 especially right now!

This is more of a long term issue that is being worked on by several
groups including the ports 2.0 team that I am member of [see long
set threads in -ports@ regarding ports system re-engineering]... much
of the stuff I hint at in this thread is better spelled out there.

 cd /usr/ports/net/cvsup-without-gui make install clean

 or after doing the above do a pkg_delete -a (assuming that
 your working with a clean machine [no ports/packages
 instaleld except cvsup]

 Why wouldn't pkg_delete -a remove your just-installed
 cvsup-without-gui?

 Sorry for not being clear I meant before the reinstall (besides
 make install would fail if you hadn't done a pkg_delete -a)

 Hmm ok - thought you might be suggesting that port installs don't
 update the package database in /var/db/pkg just the same as pkg_add
 does.

 For more info on the supfile, look at this file on your
 FreeBSD machine: /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile

 Preferring cvsup to portsnap is kinda like preferring vim
 over emacs...  It's a holy war and the vi/cvsup side uses
 less disk space.

 Actually it is not like that at all.. cvsup/csup is the
 officially preferred method and any other method is a short
 cut of some kind...

 Please provide a reference URL to 'official' support of this
 claim?

 This is a case of actions by the developer community speaks
 louder then words:

 1. Csup is in the base system thus obvious preferred to either
 cvsup or portsnap

 % which portsnap /usr/sbin/portsnap

 2. C(v)sup is more universal 3. The only way to maintain an
 official local repo is via cvsup

 You're talking about updating sources, ports and CVS too.  We were
 just talking about maintaining the ports tree.  I sense nothing
 'official'.

To me the official method should be the most general... and except
for my mistake that portsnap is not in the base system it is no where
near as general as c[v]sup namely portsnap is a kludge designed
for people who are to lazy to learn cvsup

 many of them have very subtle issues that the typical
 end-user should not notice but should be aware of...

 Issues such as?  And what other alternatives to c*sup and
 portsnap exist for ports tree management?

 I can think of several off the top my

Re: Install order?

2008-01-05 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Boris Samorodov wrote:
 On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:51:51 -0600 David Reedy Jr wrote:

 I'm very new to FreeBSD, just installed it for the first time
 maybe a week ago.

 Great, welcome. But please, don't start a new thread hitting a
 reply to and existing thread. First of, the thread history is not
 clean. And you won't get an answer from a person not interested in
 the thread you'd interfered...


I would not jump to conclusion so fast:

1. That quote is from the OP
2. The OP did not jump into an old thread according to the headers on
the original message

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Re: OT: fixing a broken key

2008-01-05 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Gerard wrote:
 On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:49:20 -0500 Aryeh Friedman
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 After cleaning my keyboard by removing the keys and using a damp
 paper towel to clean the keys and the area between contacts
 (there is a barrier between the area under the keys and the
 contact so it is very unlikely the contacts got wet) my r key now
 registers as being constantly pressed any ideas on how to
 correct this?

 I have spilled coffee on many keyboards myself. Quite frankly,
 unless you have an expensive keyboard, why not just replace it? You
 can get a generic KB for less than $10. Even if you have an
 expensive one, it might well still be under warranty, in which case
 I would simply return it for a replacement. IMHO, the time and
 effort, not to mention the mental anguish spent on this venture is
 not time well spent.

1. Already replaced it
2. Even though it is inexpensive it is by far the most comfortable
keyboard I have ever owned (and the replacement is designed for
someone with toothpicks for fingers I think)


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Re: HOW-TO get Flash7 working!

2008-01-05 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Rudy wrote:

 With all this talk about FLASH, I found something out by trial and
 error and want to post again to the list so that others searching
 can get the FLASH player working in their brower:

 THIS STEP IS NEEDED OR FLASH WILL NOT WORK:

 sysctl compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.20

I am using 8-current (amd64) and found all I needed to do was install
www/linux-flashplugin7 then do a nspluginwrapper -v -a -i and flash
works fine (as far I can tell)...   does this add any functionality I
am not aware of?  (namely some sites seem to partially load like the
graphs at whos.among.us [the easiest way to test this is go to the
site in my signature then click on the 3rd icon at the bottom and then
click on graphs])

 Better yet, add this to your /etc/sysctl.conf file and reboot:
 compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.20

 NOTE: I just picked 2.6.20 kinda at random... seems like that is
 the linux kernel number (which I know nothing about) for the Fedora
 7 release.  Oh, and I installed Fedora 7 instead of the default
 Fedora Core 4 on my desktop.

 Why does the linux emulation pick 2.4.2 as the kernel version
 number to report (by default) and not 2.6.11 (their kernel version
 shipped with Fedora 4)?  Seems like the ports should and linux
 module should be updated...

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Re: HOW-TO get Flash7 working!

2008-01-05 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Greg Mars wrote:
 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: Rudy wrote:

 With all this talk about FLASH, I found something out by
 trial and error and want to post again to the list so that
 others searching can get the FLASH player working in their
 brower:

 THIS STEP IS NEEDED OR FLASH WILL NOT WORK:

 sysctl compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.20


 I am using 8-current (amd64) and found all I needed to do was
 install www/linux-flashplugin7 then do a nspluginwrapper -v -a -i
 and flash works fine (as far I can tell)...   does this add any
 functionality I am not aware of?  (namely some sites seem to
 partially load like the graphs at whos.among.us [the easiest way to
 test this is go to the site in my signature then click on the 3rd
 icon at the bottom and then click on graphs])

 Better yet, add this to your /etc/sysctl.conf file and
 reboot: compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.20

 NOTE: I just picked 2.6.20 kinda at random... seems like that
 is the linux kernel number (which I know nothing about) for
 the Fedora 7 release.  Oh, and I installed Fedora 7 instead
 of the default Fedora Core 4 on my desktop.

 Why does the linux emulation pick 2.4.2 as the kernel version
  number to report (by default) and not 2.6.11 (their kernel
 version shipped with Fedora 4)?  Seems like the ports should
 and linux module should be updated...

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 Thank You!

 I tried getting flash to work in FreeBSD so many times and failed.
 It wasn't a big deal but it was annoying to have to boot into
 another system if there is content I needed to see that happens to
 be flash.

 I'm running FreeBSD 7 Beta4.

 I just did what you said: cd /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin7 make
 config-recursive install clean nspluginwrapper -v -a -i

 After that a flash content was playing in firefox. Unfortunately my
 AudigyLS soundcard only works with oss, which is having some
 problems now, so I was not able to verify that sound works well.

I don't use OSS so have no idea on the issue there.

 By the way, I had some problems installing flash7 from ports a few
 days ago. It didn't like the size of the file and would fail even
 if you downloaded from Adobe and copied to ports/disfiles. I later
 did a 'portsnap fetch update'  that  must have gotten updated
 makefiles and fixed that problems. Anybody else with that issue
 should try updating the ports collection.

The problem a few days ago was because the distfiles had been
updated one way to fix this (which is what I did) is do a make
makesum which will recalculate the checksums found in the distinfo file.

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Re: HOW-TO get Flash7 working!

2008-01-05 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Rudy wrote:

 By the way, I had some problems installing flash7 from ports a
 few days ago. It didn't like the size of the file and would fail
 even if you downloaded from Adobe and copied to ports/disfiles. I
 later did a 'portsnap fetch update'  that  must have gotten
 updated makefiles and fixed that problems. Anybody else with that
 issue should try updating the ports collection.


 Super you got it running.  PS, I had to do that as well...

 rm /usr/ports/distfiles/flashplugin/fp7_archive.zip

 From full original instructions:
 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-January/165920.html




 Updating your ports (with portsnap or the cvsup) when trying to fix
  problems is always a good idea.  Sometimes when everything seems
 busted the portupgrade tool can be helpful in rebuilding all your
 ports.  Set it running before you go to bed, and ta-da, in the
 morning everything is working -- or completely broken  :)

An other way to fix it in some ways is to run a make makesum to update
the distfile checksums

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Re: [HOW-TO] cvsup for ports -- Re: compact portsnap db

2008-01-05 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Rudy wrote:
 Michael Lednev wrote:
 Hello.

 Is there any way to compact /var/db/portsnap other than deleting
 it and doing postsnap fetch?


 I don't like portsnap -- granted I've never typed the portsnap
 command in my 10 years of FreeBSD use.  I use cvsup!

 More info:
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html


 QUick HOW-TO Make a file called /usr/src/ports-supfile

Your better off using /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile because
it is pre-debuggeg... also even though I don't use it because the
nearest cvsup mirror is 5 miles away is install fastest_cvsup to find
the fastest host.

 -
 #/usr/src/ports-supfile *default host=cvsup8.FreeBSD.org *default
 base=/var/db *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=.
 *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress ports-all
 -

 Then, run this command: cvsup /usr/src/ports-supfile
Note if your not going to use the local cvs repository method I use
then you should use csup not cvsup because it comes with the base
system (the semantics are identical to those of cvsup) [the only
difference is csup can't handle raw cvs commands thus the
cvs-supfile doesn't work with it]

Make an alias for this that way when you update your sources you won't
lose the host settings if /usr/share/examples/cvsup gets
overwritten... for example my alias is: (I keep a complete local copy
of the cvs repo so I use cvs-supfile instead of ports or standard
[note 1]):

  alias cvsup cvsup -h cvsup9.us.freebsd.org
/usr/share/examples/cvs-supfile

 If you don't have cvsup installed, run this command: # pkg_add -r
 cvsup-without-gui

It is better to use all ports or all packages so either do:

cd /usr/ports/net/cvsup-without-gui
make install clean

or after doing the above do a pkg_delete -a (assuming that your
working with a clean machine [no ports/packages instaleld except cvsup]

 For more info on the supfile, look at this file on your FreeBSD
 machine: /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile

 Preferring cvsup to portsnap is kinda like preferring vim over
 emacs...  It's a holy war and the vi/cvsup side uses less disk
 space.

Actually it is not like that at all.. cvsup/csup is the officially
preferred method and any other method is a short cut of some kind...
many of them have very subtle issues that the typical end-user should
not notice but should be aware of...

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1. I keep a local cvs repository because unlike cvsup/csup straight
cvs will not over write locally modified files (it will do it's best
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Re: Install order?

2008-01-04 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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David Reedy Jr wrote:
 Hello all,

 I'm very new to FreeBSD, just installed it for the first time maybe
  a week ago. I've redone it several times since, so feel
 comfortable in the VERY basics. I've got things like ntp, ftp, and
 ssh configured, no problem. Not worried about mail.

 I'm setting this machine up as a local internet test server. I need
  to get Apache, MySQL and PHP installed, and I'm worried if there's
 a preferred /required order to get it to work right / at all. FWIW
 - I've checked the handbook, apache.org, php.net, and mysql.com. I
 keep feel like I'm going round in circles.

There is officially no preferred order... each port will pull in what
it needs.   For example just selecting the apache module  when
installing php will automatically drag in a configured and working
version of apache (at least if you want stuff on port 8080 [std port
is 80 so you will need to edit the config file slightly {you may also
want to move docroot to a more convient place also}])...

Now there are some known (very rare) exceptions to the above for
example if you install net-p2p/deluge and multimedia/miro you should
install deluge first (while hand configuring boost to compile with
boost-python [actually just some make flags] instead of plain boost)

 Also, I've noticed that some of the port versions on this site are
 a little newer that in my 6.2 release. Will I have problems
 installing these instead?


You shouldn't have an issue since almost all ports have existed (and
largely unmodified) since 6.2... that being said you should still
consider up grading to 7 if at all possible since it adds a lot of
stuff that makes general operation much smoother.


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Re: batch rename

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Jeff Laine wrote:
 Hi to all.

 My goal is to rename several files in such a way as to decapitalize
 starting letters in their names. The solution seems to be simple
 but I'm stuck. What should I use? awk/sed or write some
 shell-script?

This assumes tcsh:

foreach i (`ls [A-Z][a-z]*`)
mv $i `echo $i|tr 'A-Z' 'a-z'`
end


 TIA



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Re: batch rename

2008-01-04 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Shantanoo Mahajan wrote:

 On 05-Jan-08, at 11:31 AM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:

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 Jeff Laine wrote:
 Hi to all.

 My goal is to rename several files in such a way as to
 decapitalize starting letters in their names. The solution
 seems to be simple but I'm stuck. What should I use? awk/sed or
 write some shell-script?

 This assumes tcsh:

 foreach i (`ls [A-Z][a-z]*`) mv $i `echo $i|tr 'A-Z' 'a-z'` end


 tr will decapitalize all the letters in the string.

You can replace it with the following sed then sed s/^[A-Z]/[a-z]/


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Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Victor Subervi wrote:
 Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no
 one has yet done anything substantial in open source for
 translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go figure. Sounds
 like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back on topic :) I know
 that one has to install all sorts of s/w and rebuild the kernel for
 working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or is it like C,
 native to FBSD?

If your talking natural langs then Henry Pjiffers
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has done a fair amount of work... even
though he might attempt to sell you on enhanced open-source ;-) [I
would also do this if I had done work in the translation area... he is
the other 1/3 of the licensing model I have mentioned a few times on
the lists]

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Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Victor Subervi wrote:
 Thanks. I'll drop him a line.

Forgot to mention that as far I know it is straight Java also.   As a
side note to those who are knocking Java a few things need to be
dismistified:

I don't know if I am the exception but I know a fair number of
people who have switched from c/c++ to Java (like me)... most of my
carrer (and still do) is writting high performence code (largely via
custom alogrithems instead of hand optimization) and have had zero
issue with Java in this issue (except for the slow startup time for
the jvm).  Matter one of my projects is a Java--native compiler which
I eventually plan to base an OS around.

 Victor

 On Dec 31, 2007 1:24 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Victor Subervi wrote:
 Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears
 that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source
 for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go
 figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back
 on topic :) I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w
 and rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of
 C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to FBSD?
 If your talking natural langs then Henry Pjiffers
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has done a fair amount of work... even
 though he might attempt to sell you on enhanced open-source ;-)
 [I would also do this if I had done work in the translation area...
 he is the other 1/3 of the licensing model I have mentioned a few
 times on the lists]




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Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Victor Subervi wrote:
 Hmm. Why did you switch to Java?

Rich system API, everything inherits from Object (helps in many
situations), the relization that 99% of time I was using ptrs it was
only to keep a ref to some struct in RAM (the only time I have ever
found a use for them is when for some hardware reason you *MUST*
address a specific address in RAM) for low level work you can turn the
GC off via a non-JVM compilor, etc. Basically it lets me not worry
about low level details that are pure book keeping vs. some
performence/functionality gain

Also, that email address for Henry bounced

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Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
 Victor Subervi wrote:
 Hmm. Why did you switch to Java?

 Rich system API, everything inherits from Object (helps in many
 situations), the relization that 99% of time I was using ptrs it
 was only to keep a ref to some struct in RAM (the only time I have
 ever found a use for them is when for some hardware reason you
 *MUST* address a specific address in RAM) for low level work you
 can turn the GC off via a non-JVM compilor, etc. Basically it lets
 me not worry about low level details that are pure book keeping vs.
 some performence/functionality gain

Forgot to mention reflection which makes certain things possible (not
just easier)... for example the aMock product I make would be
impossible without reflection and even thisTest would be significantly
harder to use without it.

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Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT

2007-12-31 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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RW wrote:
 On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:04:07 -0400 Victor Subervi
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that
 no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for
 translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry.

 If I were you, I'd look into what languages the industry is using.

C and Java.

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recommendations: new graphics card

2007-12-28 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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I am running 8-current amd64 on a e6850 with 4 GB of RAM and currently
have a nvidia 5200 GT.  Well I have a $100 gift card for amazon and
decided to use it to get a new video card.   I also run vista and
occasionally a live cd for linux but I spend 90+% of my time in
freebsd.  My main use of the machine is (java) development, light
office apps, maintaining my companies web site and light gaming (the
only thing I use vista for) [currently cc 3 but I want to try some
newer things {I never play first person shooters}].   I have never
used anything except nvidia cards but in seeing that the closed source
driver is not going to be out anytime soon for amd64 I am willing to
consider an ATI.   Suggestions?

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Re: Changing boot partition

2007-12-27 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Nuno Gonçalves wrote:
 Hi all,

 

 I Have a FreeBSD booting ok. It?s FSTAB is like this:

 #DeviceMountPoint FStype   Options

 /dev/ad1s1b   none swap sw

 /dev/ad1s1a   /  ufs   rw

 /dev/acd0  /cdrom  cd9660  ro,noauto

 /dev/ad1s2d   /backup ufs   rw

 

 When I boot the machine the boot manager shows me F1 and F2 to boot for.

 F1 brings me /dev/ad1s1a OK

 Still I want the machine to boot to /dev/ad1s2d

 This partition has a backup from another FreeBSD which I want to boot.

 

 To accomplish this, I need only to change FSTAB ?

 What changes should I do ? changing /dev/ad1s2d to /dev/ad1s2a ? I read
that
 a means boot root partition

 

 I tried to change FSTAB to

 #DeviceMountPoint FStype   Options

 /dev/ad1s1b   none swap sw

 #/dev/ad1s1a /  ufs   rw

 /dev/acd0  /cdrom  cd9660  ro,noauto

 /dev/ad1s2a   /backup ufs   rw

 

 And it hanged when I pressed F1 (could not mount the root partition :P )

 

 Could you guys give any hint ?

 Sorry about this questions but I am a newbie to FreeBSD

I forget the exact semantics but do a search for installing freebsd
in a usb stick on google the reason for referring to this site is it
shows how to duplicate what sysinstall does from the command line

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Re: adding diablo-jdk-1.5.0.07.01_8.tbz package in a script

2007-12-26 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Omer Faruk Sen wrote:
 Hi,

 Is there a way to add a package that requires the acceptance of the license
 (such as diablo-jdk-1.5.0.07.01_8.tbz) in a script.

 I have made a yes yes | pkg_add diablo-jdk-1.5.0.07.01_8.tbz but it
didn't
 work. Maybe there is an option that can be used somewhere .

For legal reasons unlikely... this is funny because I am the author
(but not maintainer) an other port that has a similar restriction and
was thinking about how to automate it for people who I know have
already read and agreed to the license but force people who have not
read it to read it (i.e. if your upgrading it doesn't bug you for
license acceptance)

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Re: Can't start more than one gnome-session as the same user?

2007-12-20 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Clint Olsen wrote:
 On Dec 19, Clint Olsen wrote:
 I searched and found a lot of old hits of this error.  The
 solutions are not very compelling.  Unsetting SESSION_MANAGER
 before launching vncserver only cascades errors down into the
 various client programs like the desktop etc.

 Answering my own question, the problem is that you really need to
 start with a fresh shell that isn't inherited from the existing
 windowing environment.  So, logging in remotely and starting up
 vncserver works. While I wouldn't call this very elegant, at least
 it works.

Side question: Can this solution be used to access multiple accounts
on the same machine?

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Re: Can't start more than one gnome-session as the same user?

2007-12-20 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Clint Olsen wrote:
 On Dec 20, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
 Side question: Can this solution be used to access multiple
 accounts on the same machine?

 I'm not quite sure what you mean here.  Do you mean multiple gnome
 sessions all as different user ids?  That's not a problem.  It was
 just that I was trying to run gnome both under vncserver and
 natively on the console.


I mean multiple sessions all under the same user *BUT* all tied to the
same xterm.   Namely I often login into my main account then su to
more specialized accounts and do a xhost +/setenv DISPLAY :0 in the
respective .cshrc's.   Thus I can start X apps from the command line
as the su'ed user but I want to make it so I can also have a panel
(xfce4 not gnome but I suspect it is the same issue since both use
GTK) for them.


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how long does send-pr take to post

2007-12-20 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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In the past I have not been able to do send-pr but now that I fixed my
local mail issues all other email apps work... how long should I wait
for the pr to show up before I decide some kind of error happened.

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Re: Fwd: What priority this app running?

2007-12-20 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Norberto Meijome wrote:
 On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:07:44 -0500 C High [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 With nice, 20 is the lowest priority, 0 is the base, and -20 is
 the highest.

 that's right - it is because with nice you tell it 'how nice to
 be'. when you ask a process to have a level 20 of niceness, it will
 be VERY nice and the kernel will let other processes in front of
 it. If you say, this process will have a negative value of
 niceness, it isn't very nice at all ;)

I think the kernel it self (this is based on 43BSD) has a niceness of -25.

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Java Plugin not working on Firefox

2007-12-19 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
)
at sun.applet.AppletPanel.createApplet(AppletPanel.java:780)
at sun.plugin.AppletViewer.createApplet(AppletViewer.java:2074)
at sun.applet.AppletPanel.runLoader(AppletPanel.java:709)
at sun.applet.AppletPanel.run(AppletPanel.java:363)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
Caused by: java.net.ConnectException: Invalid argument
at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.socketConnect(Native Method)
at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.doConnect(PlainSocketImpl.java:333)
at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.connectToAddress(PlainSocketImpl.java:195)
at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.connect(PlainSocketImpl.java:182)
at java.net.Socket.connect(Socket.java:519)
at sun.net.NetworkClient.doConnect(NetworkClient.java:155)
at sun.net.www.http.HttpClient.openServer(HttpClient.java:394)
at sun.net.www.http.HttpClient.openServer(HttpClient.java:529)
at sun.net.www.http.HttpClient.init(HttpClient.java:233)
at sun.net.www.http.HttpClient.New(HttpClient.java:306)
at sun.net.www.http.HttpClient.New(HttpClient.java:323)
at
sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getNewHttpClient(HttpURLConnection.java:788)
at
sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.plainConnect(HttpURLConnection.java:729)
at
sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.connect(HttpURLConnection.java:654)
at
sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getInputStream(HttpURLConnection.java:977)
at
java.net.HttpURLConnection.getResponseCode(HttpURLConnection.java:373)
at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.getBytes(AppletClassLoader.java:284)
at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.access$100(AppletClassLoader.java:44)
at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader$1.run(AppletClassLoader.java:173)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.findClass(AppletClassLoader.java:170)
... 9 more
basic: Stopping applet ...
basic: New window ID: 0
basic: Removed progress listener: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
basic: Finding information ...
basic: Releasing classloader: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
refcount=0
basic: Caching classloader: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
basic: Current classloader cache size: 1
basic: Done ...
basic: Joining applet thread ...
basic: Destroying applet ...
basic: Disposing applet ...
basic: Quiting applet ...
basic: Joined applet thread ...

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Re: Java Plugin not working on Firefox

2007-12-19 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Norberto Meijome wrote:
 On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:58:14 -0500 Aryeh M. Friedman
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 I have jdk1.6 (bootstrapped from diablo 1.5) installed and it
 works fine for command line/swing apps but dies on applets in
 firefox 2.0.0.11 (both from ports).   I installed the plugin by
 doing:


 Hi Aryeh, (no need to cross post...)

 have you tried this ?
 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-java/2007-November/006927.html

But netbeans has stopped working now:

java.net.BindException: Can't assign requested address
at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.socketBind(Native Method)
at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.bind(PlainSocketImpl.java:359)
at java.net.ServerSocket.bind(ServerSocket.java:319)
at java.net.ServerSocket.init(ServerSocket.java:185)
at org.netbeans.CLIHandler$Server.init(CLIHandler.java:964)
at org.netbeans.CLIHandler.initialize(CLIHandler.java:523)
at org.netbeans.CLIHandler.initialize(CLIHandler.java:346)
at org.netbeans.MainImpl.execute(MainImpl.java:180)
at org.netbeans.MainImpl.main(MainImpl.java:75)
at org.netbeans.Main.main(Main.java:75)
XIO:  fatal IO error 0 (Unknown error: 0) on X server :0.0
  after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

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Re: Bare Metal Recovery FreeBSD How To

2007-12-19 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Nuno Gonçalves wrote:
 Hi all,



 I am trying to do a Bare Metal Recovery from a FreeBSD 6.0 system
 to a different Hardware.

 I have a backup from all partitions of the affected system so I am
 trying to install a minimum FreeBSD 6.0 in a different hardware
 which I already have up and running.

 I created a Swap Partition, a “/” partition where the minimum
 system is running, and a third partition “/backup” in which I will
 restore the backup through the network.

 Next step will be to change the boot manager and make it boot
 through “/backup”.



 Do you guys think this is doable?

 I Think I probably must recompile the kernel after the bare metal
 recovery because the hardware is different, still do you think it
 might work?

If you need to recompile the kernel then you will also have do a build
world and rebuild most of the ports.   Your better just backing up the
data from the old machine and building the new enviroment from scratch
then copy it across.   An other way is all the data to a spare disk
and then just put it in the new machine once it is all setup.  BTW
unless there is some extremely good reason why your sticking with 6.0
you should consider at 6.3

 What is your opinion on this? What should be the best approach ?

 Thanks for reading and

 Best regards



 Nuno



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Re: rough method of cleaning the ports tree

2007-12-18 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Erich Dollansky wrote:
 Hi,

 after noticing how large my ports tree grows while compiling, I
 thought of simply deleting it and do a CVSup to get a new one after
 the compilation is finished.

 This should be much faster and also should do some kind o
 defragmentation. I simply cannot believe that the huge ports tree
 will still be very well organised after some months.

 What does the list think of this method?

Even though it will take quite a bit longer you should just do a make
distclean in /usr/ports that way anything you hand modified will be
retained (also you might want to consider keeping a local cvs
repository if this is an issue)

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Re: Absolute FreeBSD

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 Although I haven't looked much into any FreeBSD book, I wouldn't be
  surprised at all if FreeBSD's documentation combined with
 freebsd-questions would outweigh it.


By definition they would since the amount of collective knowledge is
always greater then the knowledge of a indivual
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Re: smart_host on sendmail min config

2007-12-12 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
 On 2007-12-11 13:53, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
 You still haven't shown us:

 * How your local rc system starts Sendmail
 Until I can get it right from the command line I am not going to
 include it in my /etc/rc thus currently there is none

 * The active Sendmail processes you have now
 Except for the one I start (with the below command line) before
 sending there is none running.

 Then you need to replicate what `/etc/rc.d/sendmail' does.  You
 have the code to that script, you also have `/etc/defaults/rc.conf'
 as a guide of the defaults supported by FreeBSD.  Happy hacking :)

 I'm not interested in rewriting `/etc/rc.d/sendmail' from scratch,
 so other than a few pointers like the following, I'm out of the
 thread:

 here is the complete transcript of my last attempt to actually
 send something: [...]

 monster-freebsd# sendmail -bd -q1m

 Here you started a sendmail process which listens for connections
 to *all* interfaces.  That's probably ok if you plan to accept
 incoming SMTP connections on _any_ interface, i.e. because you are
 running a Sendmail server accessible from outside.

 On my laptop this would be replaced by:

 /usr/sbin/sendmail -L smtpd -bd -q30m \
 -ODaemonPortOptions=Addr=localhost

 Note the use of the -O flag to make sure Sendmail is only listening
 on the localhost:25 port for mail submission requests.

 Then you have to start a *second* Sendmail instance, to flush the
 local `clientmqueue' and forward the messages you see as `Deferred'
 when you run the `mailq -Ac' command:

 monster-freebsd# mailq -Ac /var/spool/clientmqueue (8 requests) -
 -Q-ID- --Size-- -Q-Time- -
 Sender/Recipient--- lBAEQDUM0772289
 Mon Dec 10 09:26 aryeh (Deferred: Connection refused by
 [127.0.0.1]) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Now you have to run a second Sendmail instance, i.e. with:

 /usr/sbin/sendmail -L mailq -Ac -q10m

 NOTE: The `smtpd' and `mailq' arguments to the -L options are not
 the standard names FreeBSD assigns to these processes.  They are
 just the ones I use on my laptop.

 Since you are using a custom, local sendmail startup script, that's
  about the best I can write to get you kickstarted.  For more help
 with the way Sendmail operates, you can always refer to the
 ``Sendmail(TM) Installation and Operation Guide''.  A copy of the
 guide is conveniently installed by the FreeBSD installation process
 at:

 /usr/share/doc/smm/08.sendmailop/*

 Good luck with the startup scripts.  I don't really understand why
 you insist on rewriting something which works(TM), is featureful
 and easy to extend, like the rc.d scripts, but that's besides the
 point :-)

 - Giorgos





Above still does nothing:

monster-freebsd# /usr/sbin/sendmail -L smtpd -bd -q30m
- -ODaemonPortOptions=Addr=localhost -ODaemonPortOptions=Addr=localhost
monster-freebsd# /usr/sbin/sendmail -L mailq -Ac -q10m
monster-freebsd# mailq -v
WARNING: local host name (monster-freebsd) is not qualified; see
cf/README: WHO AM I?
/var/spool/mqueue (2 requests)
- -Q-ID- --Size-- -Priority- ---Q-Time---
- Sender/Recipient
lBCKovjf051782   10  30377 Dec 12 15:50 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Deferred: 421 Connection not accepted at this time)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Deferred: 421 Connection not accepted at this time)
lBCKovjh0517829  30380 Dec 12 15:50 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Deferred: 421 Connection not accepted at this time)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Deferred: 421 Connection not accepted at this time)
Total requests: 2
monster-freebsd# tail -f /var/log/maillog
Dec  9 09:15:38  newsyslog[587]: logfile first created
Dec  9 09:15:38  sm-mta[720]: starting daemon (8.14.2):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:30:00
Dec  9 09:15:38  sm-msp-queue[724]: starting daemon (8.14.2):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:30:00
Dec  9 12:22:28  sm-mta[729]: starting daemon (8.14.2):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:30:00
Dec  9 12:22:28  sm-msp-queue[733]: starting daemon (8.14.2):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:30:00





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Re: smart_host on sendmail min config

2007-12-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
 On 2007-12-10 22:00, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dec  9 09:15:38  newsyslog[587]: logfile first created
 Dec  9 09:15:38  sm-mta[720]: starting daemon (8.14.2):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:30:00
 Dec  9 09:15:38  sm-msp-queue[724]: starting daemon (8.14.2):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:30:00
 Dec  9 12:22:28  sm-mta[729]: starting daemon (8.14.2):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:30:00
 Dec  9 12:22:28  sm-msp-queue[733]: starting daemon (8.14.2):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:30:00

 completely unchanged before and after I attempted to sendmail to my
 self (after a reboot but not a restart of sendmail [I have a
 handcrafted /etc/rc so I know it doesn't run sendmail on boot])

 I don't see message sending attempts above.  Since you have modified
 `/etc/rc' can you show me the processes launched for Sendmail, the way
 they started, and then how you are trying to send an email message?

 Ideally, something like `mail -v' should show at least an attempt to
 post the message to the local queue:

 % $ mail -v keramida
 % Subject: foo
 % testing
 % .
 % EOT
 % keramida... Connecting to [127.0.0.1] via relay...
 % 220 kobe.laptop ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.2/8.14.2; Tue, 11 Dec 2007
18:26:12 +0200 (EET)
 %  EHLO kobe.laptop
 % 250-kobe.laptop Hello kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you
 % 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
 % 250-PIPELINING
 % 250-8BITMIME
 % 250-SIZE
 % 250-DSN
 % 250-ETRN
 % 250-AUTH GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5
 % 250-DELIVERBY
 % 250 HELP
 %  MAIL From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=35 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 % 250 2.1.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Sender ok
 %  RCPT To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 %  DATA
 % 250 2.1.5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Recipient ok
 % 354 Enter mail, end with . on a line by itself
 %  .
 % 250 2.0.0 lBBGQCj8018567 Message accepted for delivery
 % keramida... Sent (lBBGQCj8018567 Message accepted for delivery)
 % Closing connection to [127.0.0.1]
 %  QUIT
 % 221 2.0.0 kobe.laptop closing connection
 % $

monster-freebsd# sendmail -bd -q1m -v
050 WARNING: local host name (monster-freebsd) is not qualified; see
cf/README: WHO AM I?
monster-freebsd# mail -v [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: test fopo
dsadad
.
EOT
WARNING: local host name (monster-freebsd) is not qualified; see
cf/README: WHO AM I?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Connecting to [127.0.0.1] via relay...
220 monster-freebsd ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.2/8.14.2; Tue, 11 Dec 2007
13:00:27 -0500 (EST)
 EHLO monster-freebsd
250-monster-freebsd Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-PIPELINING
250-8BITMIME
250-SIZE
250-DSN
250-ETRN
250-DELIVERBY
250 HELP
 MAIL From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=56
250 2.1.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Sender ok
 RCPT To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 DATA
250 2.1.5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Recipient ok
354 Enter mail, end with . on a line by itself
 .
250 2.0.0 lBBI0RgU000340 Message accepted for delivery
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent (lBBI0RgU000340 Message accepted for
delivery)
Closing connection to [127.0.0.1]
 QUIT
221 2.0.0 monster-freebsd closing connection


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Re: smart_host on sendmail min config

2007-12-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
 On 2007-12-11 13:02, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Ideally, something like `mail -v' should show at least an
 attempt to post the message to the local queue: [...]
 monster-freebsd# sendmail -bd -q1m -v 050 WARNING: local host
 name (monster-freebsd) is not qualified; see cf/README: WHO AM I?
  monster-freebsd# mail -v [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: test
 fopo dsadad . EOT WARNING: local host name (monster-freebsd) is
 not qualified; see cf/README: WHO AM I?
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Connecting to [127.0.0.1] via
 relay... 220 monster-freebsd ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.2/8.14.2; Tue,
 11 Dec 2007 13:00:27 -0500 (EST)
 EHLO monster-freebsd
 250-monster-freebsd Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet
 you
 [...]
 354 Enter mail, end with . on a line by itself
 .
 250 2.0.0 lBBI0RgU000340 Message accepted for delivery
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent (lBBI0RgU000340 Message accepted
 for delivery) Closing connection to [127.0.0.1]
 QUIT
 221 2.0.0 monster-freebsd closing connection

 Neat!  Your local Sendmail submission service works then.  You
 should be able to see the message in the `clientmqueue' with:

 mailq -Ac

 Now, can you show us how your local rc system starts Sendmail, and
 the active Sendmail processes you are using?  It may be working
 fine, but only queueing messages in `/var/spool/clientmqueue'.  A
 queue runner should also be started to periodically scan and handle
 the clientmqueue messages.


monster-freebsd# !sen
sendmail -bd -q1m -v
# very long pause
050 WARNING: local host name (monster-freebsd) is not qualified; see
cf/README: WHO AM I?
monster-freebsd# mailq -Ac
# very long pause
/var/spool/clientmqueue (8 requests)
- -Q-ID- --Size-- -Q-Time-
- Sender/Recipient---
lBAEQDUM0772289 Mon Dec 10 09:26 aryeh
 (Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1])
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lBAEtoDS0761480 Mon Dec 10 09:55 aryeh
 (Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1])
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lBALxPJ30002809 Mon Dec 10 16:59 aryeh
 (Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1])
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lBAEZsSH0589548 Mon Dec 10 09:35 aryeh
 (Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1])
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lBBHuZ2I0003257 Tue Dec 11 12:56 aryeh
 (Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1])
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lBAF5WYM0901525 Mon Dec 10 10:05 aryeh
 (Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1])
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lBAEQhZL082703   10 Mon Dec 10 09:26 aryeh
 (Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1])
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lBAF6r3W0057819 Mon Dec 10 10:06 aryeh
 (Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1])
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Total requests: 8

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Re: smart_host on sendmail min config

2007-12-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
 On 2007-12-11 13:25, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
 Neat!  Your local Sendmail submission service works then.  You
 should be able to see the message in the `clientmqueue' with:

 mailq -Ac

 Now, can you show us how your local rc system starts Sendmail,
 and the active Sendmail processes you are using?  It may be
 working fine, but only queueing messages in
 `/var/spool/clientmqueue'.  A queue runner should also be
 started to periodically scan and handle the clientmqueue
 messages.

 I'm sorry, but this is the *third* time I am asking the same thing,
 and it's getting a bit boring.  Do you _really_ want help, or just
 to have a bit of email fun for a while?

 You still haven't shown us:

 * How your local rc system starts Sendmail

Until I can get it right from the command line I am not going to
include it in my /etc/rc thus currently there is none

 * The active Sendmail processes you have now

Except for the one I start (with the below command line) before
sending there is none running... here is the complete transcript of my
last attempt to actually send something:

 su
Password:
su: Sorry
 clear

 su
Password:
monster-freebsd# sendmail -bd -q1m
monster-freebsd# mail -v [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: test foo
asdasdads
.
EOT
WARNING: local host name (monster-freebsd) is not qualified; see
cf/README: WHO AM I?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Connecting to [127.0.0.1] via relay...
220 monster-freebsd ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.2/8.14.2; Tue, 11 Dec 2007
13:48:37 -0500 (EST)
 EHLO monster-freebsd
250-monster-freebsd Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-PIPELINING
250-8BITMIME
250-SIZE
250-DSN
250-ETRN
250-DELIVERBY
250 HELP
 MAIL From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=58
250 2.1.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Sender ok
 RCPT To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] DATA
250 2.1.5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Recipient ok
354 Enter mail, end with . on a line by itself
 .
250 2.0.0 lBBImbEm000465 Message accepted for delivery
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent (lBBImbEm000465 Message accepted for
delivery)
Closing connection to [127.0.0.1]
 QUIT
221 2.0.0 monster-freebsd closing connection
monster-freebsd# mailq -av
mailq: illegal option -- a
monster-freebsd# mailq -Ac
/var/spool/clientmqueue (8 requests)
- -Q-ID- --Size-- -Q-Time-
- Sender/Recipient---
lBAEQDUM0772289 Mon Dec 10 09:26 aryeh
 (Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1])
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lBAEtoDS0761480 Mon Dec 10 09:55 aryeh
 (Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1])
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lBALxPJ30002809 Mon Dec 10 16:59 aryeh
 (Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1])
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lBAEZsSH0589548 Mon Dec 10 09:35 aryeh
 (Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1])
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lBBHuZ2I0003257 Tue Dec 11 12:56 aryeh
 (Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1])
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lBAF5WYM0901525 Mon Dec 10 10:05 aryeh
 (Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1])
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lBAEQhZL082703   10 Mon Dec 10 09:26 aryeh
 (Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1])
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lBAF6r3W0057819 Mon Dec 10 10:06 aryeh
 (Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1])
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Total requests: 8


 monster-freebsd# !sen sendmail -bd -q1m -v # very long pause 050
 WARNING: local host name (monster-freebsd) is not qualified; see
 cf/README: WHO AM I?

 Your DNS is broken, and Sendmail cannot resolve `monster-freebsd'.
 That's not a Sendmail issue, so I'm ignoring that for now.

 monster-freebsd# mailq -Ac # very long pause
 /var/spool/clientmqueue (8 requests) - -Q-ID- --Size--
 -Q-Time- - Sender/Recipient---
 lBAEQDUM0772289 Mon Dec 10 09:26 aryeh (Deferred:
 Connection refused by [127.0.0.1]) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 No submission service running.  You have to start at least some
 process which listens on 127.0.0.1:25 for incoming email requests
 and a queue runner for clientmqueue.  I haven't seen any ps
 xauwww output for the Sendmail processes you are currently
 running, so no idea why you don't have a listener on 127.0.0.1:25.

See above



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Re: looking for ideas: creating a data partition for a dual boot system

2007-12-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 2. Share the same Desktop folder (I think if #1 is solved this is
 automatic)

 Maybe, but the Desktop folder would be pretty much useless for
 FreeBSD. Maybe there is an X window manager that could do something
  usefull with it, but I doubt it. And the icons and stuff would
 point to windows programs/drives anyway.

Every x desktop manager calls it ~/Desktop
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Re: looking for ideas: creating a data partition for a dual boot system

2007-12-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Roland Smith wrote:
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 2. Share the same Desktop folder (I think if #1 is solved
 this is automatic)
 Maybe, but the Desktop folder would be pretty much useless for
 FreeBSD. Maybe there is an X window manager that could do
 something usefull with it, but I doubt it. And the icons and
 stuff would point to windows programs/drives anyway.
 Every x desktop manager calls it ~/Desktop

 What doe you mean by desktop manager? If you mean window manager,
 it is definitely not true. For instance, fvwm2 uses ~/.fvwm/config.

Where did I say wm?

 If you mean desktop environments, it is also not true. According to
  their respective documentations, KDE uses ~/.kde be default, and
 Gnome uses ~/.gconf, ~/.gnome2 and ~/.local/share.

I guess you don't use X... even though the above is correct both gnome
and kde create ~/Desktop and the desktop manager display (usually a
standalone executable seperate then the wm components) by default
shows it's contents on the desktop... btw I use xfce and same thing there

 Roland

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Re: CVSup question

2007-12-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Simon Gao wrote:
 Hi,

 I wonder if just having port-all is enough in cvsupfile as follow.
 If I just want to keep ports tree up to date, do I really need to
 have 'src-all?


 *default host=cvsup9.freebsd.org *default base=/usr *default
 prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4_11 *default delete
 use-rel-suffix compress # src-all ports-all tag=.


Yes and oyu don't need tag=. also since that is the default value
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results of ports re-engineering survey

2007-12-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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*PLEASE ONLY REPLY TO ME OR [EMAIL PROTECTED]

A few disclaimers:

Neither I or anyone else is asking for FreeBSD to incorparate any
modifications to the current base system and/or ports collection.   If
and when any code is developed from this process it will be committed
using normal commit and review processes.

The following summary of results is based on my eyeballing of
answers and should not be interpreted as being any sort of
mathematically and/or scientifically valid in any manner.

Number of responses: roughly 30

Summary of results:

1. Most respondents stated that both the underlaying OS and the ports
collection are equally important.   When a preference was shown it was
for the underlaying OS in most cases.

2. On average people tend to interact with the port system once or
twice a week

3. The single best aspect of the ports system according to respondents
is dependency tracking when installing new ports

4. The single worst aspect of the ports system according to
respondents is dependency tracking when updating or deleting existing
ports

5. Most respondents would not change there answers tothe survey if
they where new to FreeBSD

6. Almost all respondents would use a new system if it fixed their
personal worst aspect of the current system

7. About 50% of respondents would use a new system if it broke the
best aspect of the ports system but fixed the worst aspect

8. Length of FreeBSD usage: rough avr. of 8 years with roughly 3 year
std. dev.

9. Prefered install method: ports

10. Usage roughly evenly spread among desktop, development and servers

11. Subsystem ratings (rough avr's):

UI: 6
Constancy: 9
Dependancy tracking: 7
Record keeping: 9
Granularity: 9

12. Most users are either sysadmins and/or developers

Orginial Survey:

As has been hashed out in -ports@ over the last few days there is at
least a need to examine weither or not the current ports system should
remain as is or potentially be re-engineered in the future (estimates
if and when needed vary from ASAP to 10-15 years).   I have
volunteered to undertake a feasibility/pilot project to examine what
changes (if any) are needed in the system (for the purposes of this
thread I will not venture any of my own suggestions).   I have the
following broad questions for people:

1. What is more important to your personal use of FreeBSD (the ports
system, the underlaying OS, some other aspect)?

2. How frequently do you interact with the ports systems and what is
the most common interaction you have with it?

3. What is the single best aspect of the current system?

4. What is the single worst aspect of the current system?

5. If you where a new FreeBSD user how would your answers above
change?   If you where brand new to UNIX how whould they change?

6. Assuming that there was no additional work on your behalf would you
use a new system if it corrected your answer to number 4?

7. Same as question 6 but for your answer on question 3?

8. How long have you used FreeBSD and/or UNIX in general?

9.  That is your primary use(s) for your FreeBSD machine(s) (name upto 3)?

10. Assuming there is no functional difference what is your preferred
installation method for 3rd party software?

11. On a scale from 1 to 10 (10 being the best) please rate the
importance of the following aspects of the ports system?

  a. User Interface
  b. Consistency of behaviors and interactions
  c. Accuracy in dependant port installations
  d. Internal record keeping
  e. Granularity's of the port management system

12. Please rate your personal technical skill level?
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results of ports re-engineering survey

2007-12-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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*PLEASE ONLY REPLY TO ME OR [EMAIL PROTECTED]

A few disclaimers:

Neither I or anyone else is asking for FreeBSD to incorparate any
modifications to the current base system and/or ports collection.   If
and when any code is developed from this process it will be committed
using normal commit and review processes.

The following summary of results is based on my eyeballing of
answers and should not be interpreted as being any sort of
mathematically and/or scientifically valid in any manner.

Number of responses: roughly 30

Summary of results:

1. Most respondents stated that both the underlaying OS and the ports
collection are equally important.   When a preference was shown it was
for the underlaying OS in most cases.

2. On average people tend to interact with the port system once or
twice a week

3. The single best aspect of the ports system according to respondents
is dependency tracking when installing new ports

4. The single worst aspect of the ports system according to
respondents is dependency tracking when updating or deleting existing
ports

5. Most respondents would not change there answers tothe survey if
they where new to FreeBSD

6. Almost all respondents would use a new system if it fixed their
personal worst aspect of the current system

7. About 50% of respondents would use a new system if it broke the
best aspect of the ports system but fixed the worst aspect

8. Length of FreeBSD usage: rough avr. of 8 years with roughly 3 year
std. dev.

9. Prefered install method: ports

10. Usage roughly evenly spread among desktop, development and servers

11. Subsystem ratings (rough avr's):

UI: 6
Constancy: 9
Dependancy tracking: 7
Record keeping: 9
Granularity: 9

12. Most users are either sysadmins and/or developers

Orginial Survey:

As has been hashed out in -ports@ over the last few days there is at
least a need to examine weither or not the current ports system should
remain as is or potentially be re-engineered in the future (estimates
if and when needed vary from ASAP to 10-15 years).   I have
volunteered to undertake a feasibility/pilot project to examine what
changes (if any) are needed in the system (for the purposes of this
thread I will not venture any of my own suggestions).   I have the
following broad questions for people:

1. What is more important to your personal use of FreeBSD (the ports
system, the underlaying OS, some other aspect)?

2. How frequently do you interact with the ports systems and what is
the most common interaction you have with it?

3. What is the single best aspect of the current system?

4. What is the single worst aspect of the current system?

5. If you where a new FreeBSD user how would your answers above
change?   If you where brand new to UNIX how whould they change?

6. Assuming that there was no additional work on your behalf would you
use a new system if it corrected your answer to number 4?

7. Same as question 6 but for your answer on question 3?

8. How long have you used FreeBSD and/or UNIX in general?

9.  That is your primary use(s) for your FreeBSD machine(s) (name upto 3)?

10. Assuming there is no functional difference what is your preferred
installation method for 3rd party software?

11. On a scale from 1 to 10 (10 being the best) please rate the
importance of the following aspects of the ports system?

  a. User Interface
  b. Consistency of behaviors and interactions
  c. Accuracy in dependant port installations
  d. Internal record keeping
  e. Granularity's of the port management system

12. Please rate your personal technical skill level?
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loading modules not in /boot/kernel from loader.conf

2007-12-10 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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sysutils/fusefs-kmod installs to /usr/local/modules/fuse.ko and a
fuse_load=YES will not work because of this.  But, mv/cp/ln'ing it
to /boot/kernel gets nuked if you rebuild/install the kernel.   How to
get around this?
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Re: loading modules not in /boot/kernel from loader.conf

2007-12-10 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 The fusefs rc script will run kldload /usr/local/modules/fuse.ko.
 You don't need to add anything to loader.conf . Secondly, you
 should add kernel modules to the /boot/modules dir not
 /boot/kernel.

Thanks but I use a handwritten /etc/rc that does not call any thing in
/etc/rc.d so the question stands
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Re: smart_host on sendmail min config

2007-12-10 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Chuck Swiger wrote:
 On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
 What else do I need to add to this to make it work (i.e. send all
 mail via mx1.optonline.net):

 OSTYPE(`freebsd6')dnl define(`SMART_HOST',
 `mx2.optonline.net')dnl

 Look at /etc/mail/freebsd.mc and edit the SMART_HOST line as above.
  (Note that you can copy freebsd.mc to hostname.mc and use the
 latter filename in order to avoid modifying the generic template
 file.)
Just tried that the ISP just eats a test message (to the addr I am
sending this from) but a direct telnet to port 25 on the smart host
works fine

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Re: loading modules not in /boot/kernel from loader.conf

2007-12-10 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 You could make a softlink...

Thats what raised the question I was doing ln -s
/usr/local/modules/fuse.ko /boot/kernel/fuse.ko

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Re: loading modules not in /boot/kernel from loader.conf

2007-12-10 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Tino Engel wrote:
 Aryeh M. Friedman schrieb:
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 You could make a softlink...


 Thats what raised the question I was doing ln -s
 /usr/local/modules/fuse.ko /boot/kernel/fuse.ko


 And it did not work?

If it worked I had not of asked the question (installkernel nukes it)
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triple boot loader

2007-12-10 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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I have vista+freebsd (both boot well off btx) and fedora (which
doesn't boot at all of the current btx install I have)... I want to
keep btx instead of having to reconfigure for grub or some piece of
linux (*(*(*... help?
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Re: smart_host on sendmail min config

2007-12-10 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
 On 2007-12-10 15:08, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Chuck Swiger wrote:
 On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
 What else do I need to add to this to make it work (i.e. send
 all mail via mx1.optonline.net):

 OSTYPE(`freebsd6')dnl define(`SMART_HOST',
 `mx2.optonline.net')dnl
 Look at /etc/mail/freebsd.mc and edit the SMART_HOST line as
 above. (Note that you can copy freebsd.mc to hostname.mc and
 use the latter filename in order to avoid modifying the generic
 template file.)
 Just tried that the ISP just eats a test message (to the addr I
 am sending this from) but a direct telnet to port 25 on the smart
 host works fine

 If a direct telnet to port 25 works, then SMART_HOST should work
 too.

 Can you grab log messages from `/var/log/maillog', and post them?


Dec  9 09:15:38  newsyslog[587]: logfile first created
Dec  9 09:15:38  sm-mta[720]: starting daemon (8.14.2):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:30:00
Dec  9 09:15:38  sm-msp-queue[724]: starting daemon (8.14.2):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:30:00
Dec  9 12:22:28  sm-mta[729]: starting daemon (8.14.2):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:30:00
Dec  9 12:22:28  sm-msp-queue[733]: starting daemon (8.14.2):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:30:00

completely unchanged before and after I attempted to sendmail to my
self (after a reboot but not a restart of sendmail [I have a
handcrafted /etc/rc so I know it doesn't run sendmail on boot])
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looking for ideas: triple booting and personal data

2007-12-08 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
I am creating a triple boot machine (FB, Linux, Vista) and want to keep
all non-system files (i.e. any thing I made vs. was installed by the OS
[including 3rd party software]) avaible (r/w) by all three OS's.   I
know I can do this by putting /usr/home on a NTFS partition but am
worried about the slowness of ntfs-3g/ntfsprogs (90% of the time I am in
FreeBSD and have several things going that need decent disk performence
[bit torrents]).  Any ideas? 

BTW an added plus would be some way to automatically have one or all the
OS's maintain archival copies for backup purposes
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Re: looking for ideas: triple booting and personal data

2007-12-08 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
Frank Staals wrote:
 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
 I am creating a triple boot machine (FB, Linux, Vista) and want to keep
 all non-system files (i.e. any thing I made vs. was installed by the OS
 [including 3rd party software]) avaible (r/w) by all three OS's.   I
 know I can do this by putting /usr/home on a NTFS partition but am
 worried about the slowness of ntfs-3g/ntfsprogs (90% of the time I am in
 FreeBSD and have several things going that need decent disk performence
 [bit torrents]).  Any ideas?
 BTW an added plus would be some way to automatically have one or all the
 OS's maintain archival copies for backup purposes
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 For my dual-booting laptop ( FreeBSD , WinXP ) I'm using ext2 for my
 data partiton. Works like a charm for me ( Using
 http://www.fs-driver.org/ for WinXP and sysutils/e2fsprogs ) Only
 thing that can be anoying is when FreeBSD crashes and I have to fsck
 my entire data partiton which can take a while. But possibly this can
 be avoided by using ext3 instead of ext2 (But the utilities are the
 same ).

If that is the program I am thinking of I tried it on vista and it
doesn't work (I tried a fair number of things that claimed to support
extX FS's and all of them where a) non-funcitonal on vista [even in
compat mode], b) didn't allow for direct mounting in windows, c) where
reasonable priced [less then $50])
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Re: problem with network card in P35+ICH9

2007-12-05 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
Playnet wrote:


  I have a server based gigabyte MB with core2 quadro, P35+ICH9

From the below let me guess it is in the MSI Neo familiy of Mobo's
you will want the following patches for re:

http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/re/re.HEAD.patch

If I am right about the Mobo you should also be getting mismatching
reports on your SATA drives as well the inablity to have SATA and PATA
together you will want the following patches to fix that:
http://www.flosoft-systems.com/patchs/ahci.diff
http://www.flosoft-systems.com/patchs/i82801-marvell.diff

  FreeBSD 6.2

   server# ifconfig -a re0:
 flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
 options=1bRXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING inet 192.168.2.54
 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.2.255 ether 00:1a:4d:53:54:4d
 media: Ethernet autoselect (none) status: no carrier 
  server# dmesg |grep re0 re0: RealTek 8168B/8111B PCIe Gigabit
 Ethernet port 0xc000-0xc0ff
 mem 0xf900-0xf9000fff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci4 miibus0: MII
 bus on re0 re0: Ethernet address: 00:1a:4d:53:54:4d re0: [FAST] 
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Re: looking for online text editor

2007-12-04 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 PuTTY has no installer - It's just a binary.

Actually there is a windows installer for putty

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Re: Download freebsd sourcecode for building in machine not have internet connection

2007-12-03 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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cuongvt wrote:
 I know that we can use cvsup to download all Freebsd source code
 then make buildworld. But is there a way to download it manually? I
 means, I have friends that have PCs but not have interenet
 connecttions, so they may come to internet cafe, download source
 code to portable USB drive then make build world on their PC.
 Thanks you.
Oops forgot to mention an other solution would be to install FreeBSD
on the USB device then do a cvsup on it... do a search for FreeBSD on
a Stick on google and there is a step a guide to do just this.

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Re: Download freebsd sourcecode for building in machine not have internet connection

2007-12-03 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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cuongvt wrote:


 sarek wrote:
 Oops forgot to mention an other solution would be to install
 FreeBSD on the USB device then do a cvsup on it... do a search
 for FreeBSD on a Stick on google and there is a step a guide to
 do just this.

 Sorry for my unclear English, I mean after download it to USB
 drive, they can comback home, copy sourcecode from usb drive to
 /usr/src then make buildword on their PC. So how to download the
 sourcecode manually not using cvsup ? :)

Thats what I thought you meant and the idea is do small enough install
on the drive to allow for csup/cvsup'ing the source code.

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[RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering (Repost from -ports@)

2007-12-03 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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As has been hashed out in -ports@ over the last few days there is at
least a need to examine weither or not the current ports system should
remain as is or potentially be re-engineered in the future (estimates
if and when needed vary from ASAP to 10-15 years).   I have
volunteered to undertake a feasibility/pilot project to examine what
changes (if any) are needed in the system (for the purposes of this
thread I will not venture any of my own suggestions).   I have the
following broad questions for people:

1. What is more important to your personal use of FreeBSD (the ports
system, the underlaying OS, some other aspect)?

2. How frequently do you interact with the ports systems and what is
the most common interaction you have with it?

3. What is the single best aspect of the current system?

4. What is the single worst aspect of the current system?

5. If you where a new FreeBSD user how would your answers above
change?   If you where brand new to UNIX how whould they change?

6. Assuming that there was no additional work on your behalf would you
use a new system if it corrected your answer to number 4?

7. Same as question 6 but for your answer on question 3?

8. How long have you used FreeBSD and/or UNIX in general?

9.  That is your primary use(s) for your FreeBSD machine(s) (name upto 3)?

10. Assuming there is no functional difference what is your preferred
installation method for 3rd party software?

11. On a scale from 1 to 10 (10 being the best) please rate the
importance of the following aspects of the ports system?

   a. User Interface
   b. Consistency of behaviors and interactions
   c. Accuracy in dependant port installations
   d. Internal record keeping
   e. Granularity's of the port management system

12. Please rate your personal technical skill level?

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Re: [RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering (Repost from -ports@)

2007-12-03 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 7. Same as question 6 but for your answer on question 3?

This should read:

7. If the new system corrected the worst aspect of the current system
but broke the best aspect of it would you use the new system?
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Re: Calculating checksum in ports

2007-12-03 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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bsd wrote:
 Hello,

 There is a way to calculate the checksum in ports using make with
 an argument…

 I can't remember the name of the argument…


cd /usr/ports/...
make sums

For more detail see ports(8)


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Re: looking for suggestions: multiple users on the same desktop

2007-12-01 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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RW wrote:
but I don't want to logout
 and login back in and/or have to invoke the app from the cmd line
 (i.e. xhost +; setenv DISPLAY :0; app cmd line)... I am looking for a
 way to make it so I can launch apps from a desktop panel and/or icon
 on the desktop and make it ask what user to run it under (or somehow
 or another make it aware that not everything is to be ruin as
 aryeh)

Even though not very flexible or elegant (in the long run) what I
ended up doing was just sticking a backgrounded gnome-panel into the
.cshrc for each acct
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Re: FreeBSD7 - PAE and nVidia

2007-12-01 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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David Naylor wrote:
 Hi,

 I have googled, looked though the mailing archives and the FreeBSD
 Handbook but I have not found out how to build a PAE FreeBSD kernel
 with nVidia graphics drivers included.  This is for an Asus P5N-E
 system with 4GB of RAM and SLI graphics cards.

- From my experience PAE is ok for 4GB but over it stuff get weird... I
use amd64 with the nv driver

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(OT) thunderbird + enigmail + gmail

2007-12-01 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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I am running Thunderbird (2.0.0.7) and enigmail (0.95.5) to access my
gmail and since last night I get a SSL certificate out of date message
(says gmail's cert expired jan. 30 2005).   Just for verification the
output of date(1) on my end is:

Sat Dec  1 11:01:29 EST 2007

Any ideas on how to make this go away?

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Re: looking for suggestions: multiple users on the same desktop

2007-11-30 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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RW wrote:
 On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:21:46 -0500 Aryeh M. Friedman
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 What I've done in the past is create extra categories in the
 KDE menu with the names of the other users, and then copy
 selected applications under there, and change their Run as a
 different user settings.
 Except I don't run kde and don't plan to (way too top heavy)

 AFAIK none of the features I mentioned are unique to KDE

Just looked through the options for xfce and see no mention of running
as a diff user

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looking for suggestions: multiple users on the same desktop

2007-11-30 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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I have several sub accounts (for specialized purposes not really a
part of an other account) which I do my work basically I have:

aryeh -- my personal account
web -- maintain my web site
dev -- development/testing of software
dep -- seperation of development and production code

I almost always login into aryeh (xfce via xdm).   Both web and dev
require the use of variuous X applications but I don't want to logout
and login back in and/or have to invoke the app from the cmd line
(i.e. xhost +; setenv DISPLAY :0; app cmd line)... I am looking for a
way to make it so I can launch apps from a desktop panel and/or icon
on the desktop and make it ask what user to run it under (or somehow
or another make it aware that not everything is to be ruin as
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Re: looking for suggestions: multiple users on the same desktop

2007-11-30 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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RW wrote:
 On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:31:15 -0500 Aryeh M. Friedman
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 but I don't want to logout and login back in and/or have to
 invoke the app from the cmd line (i.e. xhost +; setenv DISPLAY
 :0; app cmd line)... I am looking for a way to make it so I can
 launch apps from a desktop panel and/or icon on the desktop and
 make it ask what user to run it under (or somehow or another make
 it aware that not everything is to be ruin as aryeh)

 What I've done in the past is create extra categories in the KDE
 menu with the names of the other users, and then copy selected
 applications under there, and change their Run as a different
 user settings.

Except I don't run kde and don't plan to (way too top heavy)


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Re: Upper limit on make -j ?

2007-11-27 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Brian wrote:
 Isn't 1000 an unrealistically high value?


For the next few years maybe but with core counts going up I can
easily see a 512 or 1024 core machine by say 2015.. i.e. Moore's law
may not apply to single tasking chips any mores but it seems to be in
full force for multi-core ones... this brings me to why I tried it in
the first place I was exploring weither or not FreeBSD was ready for
this kind of core count (specifically the idea of a multitasking OS
scheduling by allocating one process per core for core counts greater
then say 64)... I am in the process of considering the design
requirements for a OS I plan to do from the ground up and like to know
the limits of current ones.


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Re: idea bouncing: using cvs as a replacement for mergemaster

2007-11-27 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Garrett Cooper wrote:
 On Nov 27, 2007, at 7:45 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:

 I was thinking seeing the fact that I already have a cvs repo of
 -current does it make sense to just use CVS to update /etc
 instead of
 mergemaster... if so any ideas on doing it cleanly?


 CVS sucks and I wouldn't wish that requirement on anyone for
 their base system..
 There isn't a decent idiot-proof / foolproof system out there
 for defeating merging issues...
 -Garrett


I was talking for myself only not anyone else

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Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken)

2007-11-26 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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BTW I a redirected this to -questions


 You should be able to set up a local mailer/MTA (sendmail, postfix,
 etc.) and tell it to use your ISP's mail server on TCP port 25, and it
 all should just magically work unless they require SMTP AUTH (not many
 do from what I've seen; they base authentication on the source IP of
 customers).

 sendmail refers to this feature as SMART_HOST, while postfix refers to
 it as a transport destination (see transport(5)).

I have not set the MTA up yet for it but I did test it with
thunderbird... an other question how can I set it up that I can
receive mail (dynamic IP and 25 inbound is blocked)?


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Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken)

2007-11-26 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 Frankly, unless you processing mail for a lot of people, there is no
 benefit to running your own mailserver, and you really ought to be
 using a client-server model for getting mail, as you are doing.  The
 OP just hasn't realized this yet.

Actually I am processing mail for over a dozen people and almost 100
diff addrs so it does make sense if it is possible.


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Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken)

2007-11-26 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:

  Frankly, unless you processing mail for a lot of people, there is no
  benefit to running your own mailserver, and you really ought to be
  using a client-server model for getting mail, as you are doing.  The
  OP just hasn't realized this yet.

 Actually I am processing mail for over a dozen people and almost 100
 diff addrs so it does make sense if it is possible.



Oops forgot to mention there is a small set of complicating factors:

1. The people and addrs I process mail for all have the same domain
but live in locations all around the globe (virtual company)

2. The domain should/must be the same as the company's web page (see
my sig for addr) which is on a convention web hosting arrangement

3. As far I can all inbound/outbound smtp/http (25, 587, and 80) are
blocked by the ISP (they offer them under a business package that also
includes a static IP but currently that is too pricey)

4. The ISP is the only one in my area (semi-rural) that offers high
speed bandwidth

5. Even though my web hoster offers mail forwarding it does not offer
mail box and/or mailing list hosting (having prepaid for 2 years and
only being 2 months into the deal I am not going to switch providers)
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-26 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 Beastie's Law:

   Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
 using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
 wrong.

Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.   In some circles
for example immigrants are foreign born and using the correct term
is wrong.


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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-26 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 The Earthlings started going downhill about 60 years ago when they
 dreamed up this device called a TV Set.  But there are signs that
 they figured out what they did and are abandoning them - we are
 seeing the IQ of the herd rising again and
 there is a direct correspondence to average TV watching hours.


Does this include YouTube?


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is cvsup10.us.freebsd.org broken?

2007-11-26 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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If I am asking the wrong place please tell me.   I just attempted a
cvsup from that host and got no new files but changed to
cvsup3.freebsd.org and got a flood of updates.

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Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken)

2007-11-26 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 Really, as others have said, it's easier to pay the money for the
 business line.  How much extra do they want for it?

Don't know but a dime is too much right now (I am personally living on
$15/mo once the rent, food and connectivity is paid for [the wonders
of a startup with no investors]).   That is one reason why colo is not
possible... yes I understand most of the hassles involved since I was
the head sysadmin for a full service ISP in a former life (mid to late
90's).

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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-26 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 Nonsense, it's FreeBSD is not really supported by Flash.  Those
 damned Gnu people don't wish to advocate true open source support
 but only to get their favorite hodgepodge supported by those who
 have access to the code.  Reminds me of fascists a bit.

Comrad Stallman == Comrad Stalin ?

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getting a background image to display with xcompmgr

2007-11-25 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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xcompmgr seems to place itself on top of anything else on the root
window thus covering up any xv/feh/xsetroot images... how do I get a
background image to display on top of xcompmgr

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Re: who wrote this

2007-11-25 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 I might consider the man to be a maniac but he did utter some truths,
 Should we automatically disqualify them?

Even the devil is right sometimes does that mean we should follow him?

Let's see:

1 authbaun = 6 million jews
1 trip to the moon = 50 million russians
1 vw bug = 20 million brits and americans
1 war = priceless
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Re: HP Deskjet 9800 with hpijs driver

2007-11-25 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Erin McNew wrote:
 I've been trying to get my photo printer working recently, and seem to have
 run into a bit of a snag.  I just tried to print out a picture as a test,
 and instead of a picture, I got: PCL commands across the top of one page of
 photo paper, and the printer spewed the rest of my paper out empty (taught
 me an important lesson about testing without having large quantities of
 photo paper in the printer...)
 Anyway, I was looking on google, and I don't seem to see other people
having
 this problem, but I'm not sure what I could've done wrong.  I'm using the
 hpijs driver, which is supposed to work perfectly under linux, and works
 perfectly for my other hp printer.  Is this printer just not supported by
 FreeBSD?  I couldn't find anything that stated directly either way in my
 quick googling, so I was hoping somebody here might have some ideas for
 things to check, etc.

My 6980 has the same problem with hpijs and hplip... try cups (it
should autodetect)


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Re: (off topic?) Best desktop

2007-11-24 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Christian Walther wrote:
 On 23/11/2007, Predrag Punosevac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
 [...]
 I like to make my own desktop.

 Sounds familiar. :-)
 Predrag's Recipe for Desktop Happiness:

 Take OpenBox3, Xfce4-panel, Rox-filer  feh +applications you like like.
 Edit .xsession as follows


Well I pretty much went this way:

abrwm (evilwm) (tinywm didn't have vwindows), fbpanel, xv, idesk,
transset-dt, I have not selected a fm yet...  For the most part I
really like it (lean and mean) but one feature that several my apps
support is transparent windows but seems abrwm for what ever reason
doesn't support this and will completely ignore any windows with it...
so I am looking for the next smallest wm that can do virtual windows
and transparency... I know openbox, ion, xfwm all can do it but want
something even lighter.

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(off topic?) Best desktop

2007-11-23 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
I have used gnome for several years now after finding kde lacking in
features but just tried kde and have to say I like the programs it
comes with (but I find gnome easier to use) I also know there are
other desktops out there (as being defined as a something more then a
high end window manager)... which is best?  My work load is that of a
typical business owner and CS grad student/Java developer plus acting
as my TV (don't have one and don't have any kind of reception [too far
in the country {and do not which to have cable}]) via dl'ed shows

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Re: who do I report this to?

2007-11-22 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 The first thing to do is to make sure it is not your ISP inflicting you
with
 some slowdown. Connect a second node to the re interface (put a switch
 between you and the modem, and connect something else to it) and see
 if your connection speed to that local machine is affected.
 If not, then it is your isp that is the problem. Change ISPs to a
legitimate
 one.

I guess you don't read -current it is a confirmed re(4) issue (plus
some other things but the ISP has nothing to do with it)


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Re: Using brandelf

2007-11-20 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Chuck Robey wrote:
 Can you use brandelf to read the elf type of a binary?  The man page
 shows a usage that might possibly do this, but doesn't bother to say
 what that usage does.

 To be honest, I need to do some work with the linux stuff, and the
 usage of /compat/linux and /usr/compat/linux, well, I don't
 understand, and I haven't seen a good enough explanation yet.  Stuff
 like the ld.so.conf file to configure linux's ldconfig, it assumes
 the /compat/linux prefix.  Do all the binaries do that?  I mean, the
 browser files, they use a sh scri[t to kick them off, do they use
 that prefix, or assume stuff?

 I need to know this so I can keep going forward on getting flash to
 work.

If you're attempting to rebrand the linux flash exec (I assume 9 since
I know for a fact 7 works right out of the box [ff 2.0.0.9, gnome
2.20.1, amd64 8-current]) no amount of hacking will make it like
FreeBSD since it uses some linux specific stuff... your better off
learning compat...




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who do I report this to?

2007-11-19 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
rgephy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseT,
1000baseT-FDX, auto
re0: Ethernet address: 00:19:db:b5:f8:0f
re0: [FILTER]
re0: [FILTER]
uhci2: UHCI (generic) USB controller port 0xc800-0xc81f irq 23 at
device 29.0 on pci0
uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED]
uhci2: [ITHREAD]
usb3: UHCI (generic) USB controller on uhci2
usb3: USB revision 1.0
uhub3: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 on usb3
uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci3: UHCI (generic) USB controller port 0xc480-0xc49f irq 19 at
device 29.1 on pci0
uhci3: [GIANT-LOCKED]
uhci3: [ITHREAD]
usb4: UHCI (generic) USB controller on uhci3
usb4: USB revision 1.0
uhub4: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 on usb4
uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci4: UHCI (generic) USB controller port 0xc400-0xc41f irq 18 at
device 29.2 on pci0
uhci4: [GIANT-LOCKED]
uhci4: [ITHREAD]
usb5: UHCI (generic) USB controller on uhci4
usb5: USB revision 1.0
uhub5: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 on usb5
uhub5: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci5: UHCI (generic) USB controller port 0xc080-0xc09f irq 16 at
device 29.3 on pci0
uhci5: [GIANT-LOCKED]
uhci5: [ITHREAD]
usb6: UHCI (generic) USB controller on uhci5
usb6: USB revision 1.0
uhub6: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 on usb6
uhub6: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
ehci1: EHCI (generic) USB 2.0 controller mem 0xfcdff800-0xfcdffbff
irq 23 at device 29.7 on pci0
ehci1: [GIANT-LOCKED]
ehci1: [ITHREAD]
usb7: EHCI version 1.0
usb7: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb3 usb4 usb5 usb6
usb7: EHCI (generic) USB 2.0 controller on ehci1
usb7: USB revision 2.0
uhub7: Intel EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 on usb7
uhub7: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered
pcib5: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 30.0 on pci0
pci5: ACPI PCI bus on pcib5
vgapci0: VGA-compatible display mem
0xfd00-0xfdff,0xf000-0xf7ff irq 17 at device 1.0 on pci5
isab0: PCI-ISA bridge at device 31.0 on pci0
isa0: ISA bus on isab0
atapci1: Intel ICH9 SATA300 controller port
0xc000-0xc007,0xbc00-0xbc03,0xb880-0xb887,0xb800-0xb803,0xb480-0xb48f,0xb400-0xb40f
irq 19 at device 31.2 on pci0
atapci1: [ITHREAD]
ata3: ATA channel 0 on atapci1
ata3: [ITHREAD]
ata4: ATA channel 1 on atapci1
ata4: [ITHREAD]
pci0: serial bus, SMBus at device 31.3 (no driver attached)
atapci2: Intel ICH9 SATA300 controller port
0xb000-0xb007,0xac00-0xac03,0xa880-0xa887,0xa800-0xa803,0xa480-0xa48f,0xa400-0xa40f
irq 19 at device 31.5 on pci0
atapci2: [ITHREAD]
ata5: ATA channel 0 on atapci2
ata5: [ITHREAD]
ata6: ATA channel 1 on atapci2
ata6: [ITHREAD]
acpi_button0: Power Button on acpi0
sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio0: port may not be enabled
sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio0: port may not be enabled
sio0: 16550A-compatible COM port port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10
on acpi0
sio0: type 16550A
sio0: [FILTER]
fdc0: floppy drive controller (FDE) port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq
2 on acpi0
fdc0: [FILTER]
ppc0: Parallel port port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on acpi0
ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode
ppbus0: Parallel port bus on ppc0
plip0: PLIP network interface on ppbus0
lpt0: Printer on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0: Parallel I/O on ppbus0
ppc0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
ppc0: [ITHREAD]
atkbdc0: Keyboard controller (i8042) port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0
atkbd0: AT Keyboard irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
atkbd0: [ITHREAD]
orm0: ISA Option ROM at iomem 0xc-0xcefff on isa0
sc0: System console at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA 16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio1: port may not be enabled
vga0: Generic ISA VGA at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa-0xb on isa0
ums0: Microsoft Comfort Optical Mouse 1000, class 0/0, rev 2.00/1.21,
addr 2 on uhub0
ums0: 3 buttons and Z dir.
fuse4bsd: version 0.3.9-pre1, FUSE ABI 7.8
Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec
ad4: 194481MB Maxtor 6Y200P0 YAR41BW0 at ata2-master UDMA133
GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad4 is ufs/intad5: 238475MB WDC
WD2500JB-22REA0 20.00K20 at ata2-slave UDMA100
disk2.
ad6: 476940MB Seagate ST3500630AS 3.AAE at ata3-master SATA300
acd0: DVDR PLEXTOR DVDR PX-755A/1.08 at ata4-master SATA150
pcm0: HDA Codec: Realtek ALC888
pcm0: HDA Driver Revision: 20071020_0048
SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched!

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Re: congrlations to the freebsd developers

2007-11-18 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
 On 2007-11-17 22:44, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
 On 2007-11-17 18:53, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 M. Warner Losh wrote:
 You can run FreeBSD/i386 on amd64 boxes.
 All the different methods people have suggested to me for doing
 this has blown up also since I use a nvidia card it is almost
 pointless unless I can run the nvidia kernel module.
 That's odd.

 The laptop I'm typing this is amd64-capable, but installing from
 the FreeBSD/i386 release CD-ROMs worked like a charm.  Which
 methods have you tried?
 With 4GB and a E6850 (P35/IHC9(R)) almost all the pci devices I had
 where reconized *EXCEPT* any nvdidia card under i386 this was
 instantly fixed as soon I switched to amd64.

 Sorry, but I can barely parse the sentence above.  Do you mean that you
 _did_ installl i386, but it had issues? 

Yes to starting with i386 and moving to amd64


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mounting a ufs file system in a microslut os

2007-11-18 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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I have microslut vista as a dual boot (before anyone suggests wine
please refer to previous threads on amd74 vs. wine) and want to access
my FreeBSD file systems from it (and later linux when I install it as
a triple boot).   It is the only machine on the network so
nfs/samba/etc. is not an option... ideas?

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problems building fusefs-kmod

2007-11-18 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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===  Building for fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2
=== fuse_module (all)
/usr/share/mk/bsd.kmod.mk, line 12: can't find kernel source tree

I use the source layout described in development(7) and have set
SRC_BASE to /usr/src2 (I always buildworld from here not /usr/src).

FreeBSD monster 8.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #1: Thu Nov 15
19:17:50 EST 2007
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sys/MONSTER  amd64

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Re: problems building fusefs-kmod

2007-11-18 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Yuri Pankov wrote:
 On Monday 19 November 2007 04:41:46 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
 ===  Building for fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2
 === fuse_module (all)
 /usr/share/mk/bsd.kmod.mk, line 12: can't find kernel source tree

 I use the source layout described in development(7) and have set
 SRC_BASE to /usr/src2 (I always buildworld from here not /usr/src).

 FreeBSD monster 8.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #1: Thu Nov 15
 19:17:50 EST 2007
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sys/MONSTER  amd64

 Looking through /usr/share/mk/bsd.kmod.mk reveals that you need to set
SYSDIR
 to location of your `sys' directory.
===  Vulnerability check disabled, database not found
===  Found saved configuration for fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2
= fuse4bsd-0.3.9-pre1.tar.bz2 doesn't seem to exist in
/usr/ports/distfiles/.
= Attempting to fetch from http://fuse4bsd.creo.hu/downloads/.
fuse4bsd-0.3.9-pre1.tar.bz2   100% of  109 kB  974
Bps 00m00s
===  Extracting for fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2
= MD5 Checksum OK for fuse4bsd-0.3.9-pre1.tar.bz2.
= SHA256 Checksum OK for fuse4bsd-0.3.9-pre1.tar.bz2.
===  Patching for fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2
===  Applying FreeBSD patches for fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2
===   fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2 depends on package: fusefs-libs2.4.1 -
found
===   fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2 depends on executable: deplate - found
===  Configuring for fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2
===  Building for fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2
=== fuse_module (all)
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/ports.workdir/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/ports/sysutils/fusefs-kmod/work/fuse4bsd-0.3.9-pre1/fuse_module
@ - /FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sys
machine - /FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sys/amd64/include
awk -f @/tools/vnode_if.awk @/kern/vnode_if.src -p
awk -f @/tools/vnode_if.awk @/kern/vnode_if.src -q
awk -f @/tools/vnode_if.awk @/kern/vnode_if.src -h
cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -march=nocona
- -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 -nostdinc  -I../include -I. -I@
- -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100
- --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common
- -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mcmodel=kernel -mno-red-zone  -mfpmath=387
- -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow  -msoft-float
- -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls
- -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes
- -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign
- -fformat-extensions -c fuse_main.c
cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -march=nocona
- -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 -nostdinc  -I../include -I. -I@
- -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100
- --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common
- -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mcmodel=kernel -mno-red-zone  -mfpmath=387
- -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow  -msoft-float
- -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls
- -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes
- -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign
- -fformat-extensions -c fuse_msg.c
cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -march=nocona
- -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 -nostdinc  -I../include -I. -I@
- -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100
- --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common
- -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mcmodel=kernel -mno-red-zone  -mfpmath=387
- -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow  -msoft-float
- -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls
- -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes
- -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign
- -fformat-extensions -c fuse_dev.c
cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -march=nocona
- -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 -nostdinc  -I../include -I. -I@
- -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100
- --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common
- -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mcmodel=kernel -mno-red-zone  -mfpmath=387
- -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow  -msoft-float
- -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls
- -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes
- -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign
- -fformat-extensions -c fuse_vfsops.c
cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -march=nocona
- -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 -nostdinc  -I../include -I. -I@
- -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100
- --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common
- -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mcmodel=kernel -mno-red-zone  -mfpmath=387
- -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow  -msoft-float
- -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls
- -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes
- -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign
- -fformat-extensions -c fuse_vnops.c
cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona

Re: problems building fusefs-kmod

2007-11-18 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Yuri Pankov wrote:
 On Monday 19 November 2007 05:00:39 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
 Yuri Pankov wrote:
 On Monday 19 November 2007 04:41:46 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
 ===  Building for fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2
 === fuse_module (all)
 /usr/share/mk/bsd.kmod.mk, line 12: can't find kernel source
 tree

 I use the source layout described in development(7) and have set
 SRC_BASE to /usr/src2 (I always buildworld from here not
 /usr/src).

 FreeBSD monster 8.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #1: Thu Nov 15
 19:17:50 EST 2007
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sys/MONSTER
 amd64
 Looking through /usr/share/mk/bsd.kmod.mk reveals that you need to
 set
 SYSDIR

 to location of your `sys' directory.
 ===  Vulnerability check disabled, database not found
 ===  Found saved configuration for fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2
 = fuse4bsd-0.3.9-pre1.tar.bz2 doesn't seem to exist in
 /usr/ports/distfiles/.
 = Attempting to fetch from http://fuse4bsd.creo.hu/downloads/.
 fuse4bsd-0.3.9-pre1.tar.bz2   100% of  109 kB  974
 Bps 00m00s
 ===  Extracting for fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2
 = MD5 Checksum OK for fuse4bsd-0.3.9-pre1.tar.bz2.
 = SHA256 Checksum OK for fuse4bsd-0.3.9-pre1.tar.bz2.
 ===  Patching for fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2
 ===  Applying FreeBSD patches for fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2
 ===   fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2 depends on package: fusefs-libs2.4.1 -
 found
 ===   fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2 depends on executable: deplate - found
 ===  Configuring for fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2
 ===  Building for fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1_2
 === fuse_module (all)
 Warning: Object directory not changed from original
 /usr/ports.workdir/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/ports/sysutils/fusefs-kmod
 /work/fuse4bsd-0.3.9-pre1/fuse_module @ -
 /FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sys
 machine - /FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sys/amd64/include
 awk -f @/tools/vnode_if.awk @/kern/vnode_if.src -p
 awk -f @/tools/vnode_if.awk @/kern/vnode_if.src -q
 awk -f @/tools/vnode_if.awk @/kern/vnode_if.src -h
 cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -march=nocona
 -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 -nostdinc  -I../include -I. -I@
 -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100
 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common
 -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mcmodel=kernel -mno-red-zone  -mfpmath=387
 -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow  -msoft-float
 -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -ffreestanding -Wall
 -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes
 -Wmissing-prototypes
 -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign
 -fformat-extensions -c fuse_main.c
 cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -march=nocona
 -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 -nostdinc  -I../include -I. -I@
 -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100
 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common
 -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mcmodel=kernel -mno-red-zone  -mfpmath=387
 -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow  -msoft-float
 -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -ffreestanding -Wall
 -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes
 -Wmissing-prototypes
 -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign
 -fformat-extensions -c fuse_msg.c
 cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -march=nocona
 -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 -nostdinc  -I../include -I. -I@
 -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100
 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common
 -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mcmodel=kernel -mno-red-zone  -mfpmath=387
 -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow  -msoft-float
 -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -ffreestanding -Wall
 -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes
 -Wmissing-prototypes
 -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign
 -fformat-extensions -c fuse_dev.c
 cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -march=nocona
 -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 -nostdinc  -I../include -I. -I@
 -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100
 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common
 -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mcmodel=kernel -mno-red-zone  -mfpmath=387
 -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow  -msoft-float
 -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -ffreestanding -Wall
 -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes
 -Wmissing-prototypes
 -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign
 -fformat-extensions -c fuse_vfsops.c
 cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -march=nocona
 -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 -nostdinc  -I../include -I. -I@
 -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100
 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common
 -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mcmodel=kernel -mno-red-zone  -mfpmath=387
 -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow  -msoft-float
 -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -ffreestanding -Wall
 -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes
 -Wmissing-prototypes
 -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign
 -fformat

Re: mounting a ufs file system in a microslut os

2007-11-18 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 http://ffsdrv.sourceforge.net/



Didn't reconize any of my UFS filesytems... tried UFS Explorer
semi-worked (the file system I need is /dev/ad5s1 [note no partition
letter!]:monster# ls /dev/ad*
/dev/ad4/dev/ad4cs1 /dev/ad5s1  /dev/ad6s2
/dev/ad6s2c /dev/ad6s2f
/dev/ad4a   /dev/ad4s1  /dev/ad6/dev/ad6s2a   
/dev/ad6s2d /dev/ad6s2g
/dev/ad4c   /dev/ad5/dev/ad6s1  /dev/ad6s2b   
/dev/ad6s2e /dev/ad6s2h
/dev/ad6s2a / 
ufs rw  1 1
devfs   /dev  
devfs   rw  0 0
/dev/ad6s2f /FreeBSD  
ufs rw  2 2
/dev/ad6s2e /tmp  
ufs rw  2 2
/dev/ad6s2h /usr  
ufs rw  2 2
/dev/ad6s2g /usr/obj  
ufs rw  2 2
/dev/ad6s2d /var  
ufs rw  2 2
/dev/ad5s1  /usr/home 
ufs rw  2 2
proc/proc 
procfs  rw  0 0
linproc /compat/linux/proc
linprocfs   rw  0 0
/dev/ad6s1  /mnt/windows  
ntfsrw  0 0

Note on the /mnt/windows entry is it unwritable for reasons handled in
fusefs-kmod thread






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Re: problems building fusefs-kmod

2007-11-18 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Yuri Pankov wrote:



 MAKE_ENV+=SYSDIR=${SRC_BASE}/sys MOUNT=${SRC_BASE}/sbin/mount
that did the trick... is there any way to scan the ports tree to see
if this is an issue with anything else?

BTW any more ideas on the the windows--ufs question?

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Re: problems building fusefs-kmod

2007-11-18 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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That did the trick, thanks in the PR can you also include a
request to make a symlink or something to thue module in /boot/kernel
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congrlations to the freebsd developers

2007-11-17 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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After having the help of several developers to resolve hw issues on my
machine I have set up a 2 dual boot enviroment between 8-current (for
desktop use) and vista.I am just writting to say 8-current kicks
vista's ass in response time, stability [note 1], and almost every
other aspect except for end-user oriented office apps [note 2] and games.

Notes:

1.  As was posted in an other thread my nic still has a slow death issue
2. I meant features  not formats and since I am using amd64 no wine

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Re: congrlations to the freebsd developers

2007-11-17 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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M. Warner Losh wrote:
 In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aryeh M. Friedman
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : After having the help of
 several developers to resolve hw issues on my : machine I have set
 up a 2 dual boot enviroment between 8-current (for : desktop use)
 and vista.I am just writting to say 8-current kicks : vista's
 ass in response time, stability [note 1], and almost every : other
 aspect except for end-user oriented office apps [note 2] and games.
  : : Notes: : : 1.  As was posted in an other thread my nic still
 has a slow death issue : 2. I meant features  not formats and since
 I am using amd64 no wine

 You can run FreeBSD/i386 on amd64 boxes.

All the different methods people have suggested to me for doing this
has blown up also since I use a nvidia card it is almost pointless
unless I can run the nvidia kernel module.

- --Aryeh

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Re: congrlations to the freebsd developers

2007-11-17 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
 On 2007-11-17 18:53, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 M. Warner Losh wrote:
 You can run FreeBSD/i386 on amd64 boxes.
 All the different methods people have suggested to me for doing
 this has blown up also since I use a nvidia card it is almost
 pointless unless I can run the nvidia kernel module.

 That's odd.

 The laptop I'm typing this is amd64-capable, but installing from
 the FreeBSD/i386 release CD-ROMs worked like a charm.  Which
 methods have you tried?

With 4GB and a E6850 (P35/IHC9(R)) almost all the pci devices I had
where reconized *EXCEPT* any nvdidia card under i386 this was
instantly fixed as soon I switched to amd64.   Even though I don't
feel like rehashing all the stuff that I had to go through to get some
stuff working (do a search for threads started by me) suffice it to
say that when  I first got the box 90% of the devices that the machine
came with either where not functional and/or had driver issues.
After working with the people on -current (and learning a fair amount
about the guts of FreeBSD) there are only 3 issues left:

1. The NIC slowly dies (see re(4) slowly dies)

2. Problems reading/writting from dvd/cd (see the many threads on
ihc9 issues on -current [note to Jeremy the Phillips just arrived but
I am in the process of doing a portupgrade -afk so will test it tommorow])

3. The issues with nvidia kernel module on amd64 (alternativelly
does anyone know how hard it would be to get bettern 1024x768 with nv?)

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Re: unimpressive buildworld time

2007-11-16 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 And here I was thinking it was a 'my machine can beat up your
 machine' thread. ;)


The orginial thread perhaps this one is along the lines of I did
everything I could to slow buildworld down and this is how I did it.
Speaking of that the worst I have seen was my current machine under
6.2-RELEASE, didn't time buildworld but installworld was 4 hours.


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Re: gnupg keysize

2007-11-15 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Peo Nilsson wrote:
 Dear listmembers.

 When browsing: http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html#INTRO

 It says: The size of a DSA key must be between 512 and 1024 bits.
  It also says: The ElGamal key may be of any size.

 Who and why has defined this? In my opinion, the size of a key is a
 question for the user.

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encryption schemes are known to be secure for certain key sizes and
have not been tested and/or known to be breakable for other ones.
This combined with the fact that PGP and other encryption front ends
such as SSH and SSL need to meet certain standards for the US
government  (and by extension most of the major corps around the
world) all of which require predefined key lengths means that the user
does not and should not in most cases have complete freedom to select
key sizes.

If your concerned about security the best thing to do is get involved
with various efforts to develop 2nd/3rd generation public-key algorithms.

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Re: unimpressive buildworld time

2007-11-15 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 My Pentium-D 3G DualCore w/2G memory and a pretty vanilla
 SATA drive does buildworld and 3 different kernels in 68 minutes
 wall time
 building 6.3-PRE (aka -STABLE) using -j20.

Why on earth do -j 20?


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Re: unimpressive buildworld time

2007-11-15 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Garrett Cooper wrote:
 Tim Daneliuk wrote:
 Jonathan Horne wrote:
 On Wednesday 14 November 2007 03:45:07 pm Aryeh M. Friedman
 wrote:
 Impressive ;-) My main machine (with an Athlon XP @ 2GHz)
 takes ~2 hours to build kernel and world (I use a script to
 do that). My other box is running -CURRENT and takes ~11
 hours to build kernel and world (Celeron 500...).

 Just to supply some numbers that go the other direction
 :-)
 With no -j and running gnome and doing other things in the
 foreground (watching a avi) 1 hr 3 mins on a e6850 w/ 4 gig
 (amd64)

 p4 540 3.2GHz, 1GB ram:

 --
 World build completed on Thu Nov 15 19:15:05 CST 2007
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/src]#

 heh, i have appropriately renamed the thread.  :)  with -j 8

 cheers,

 My Pentium-D 3G DualCore w/2G memory and a pretty vanilla SATA
 drive does buildworld and 3 different kernels in 68 minutes wall
 time building 6.3-PRE (aka -STABLE) using -j20.

 SMP kernels on STABLE (6.x) are going to perform worse than SMP
 kernels on CURRENT (7-RELENG / 8-CURRENT), depending on the
 scheduler used (4BSD vs ULE scheduler), as well as a variety of
 other factors.

 Remember... performance not only depends upon clock speed or the
 number of cores you have, but also what caching/prefetching scheme
 FreeBSD uses (not sure if it's fetches large amounts infrequently
 or small amounts frequently), how much memory is available to make
 and its spawned processes (gcc, awk, etc), as well as the number of
  processes active on the machine, and host usage (high disk usage,
 high memory usage, etc).

 After reading through the thread, I noticed that people are making
 comparing apples to oranges, as...

Some people are taking this thread *WAY TOO SERIOUS* as far I can tell
it is meant as a light hearted lets post funny numbers thread.

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Re: FreeBSD-7.0-Beta2 (i386) on Opteron?

2007-11-14 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 Sounds like you might have a corrupted installation.  Did you
 verify the MD5 checksum on the ISO images?
This is completely off topic but MD5 is not secure:
http://www.infosec.sdu.edu.cn/paper/md5-attack.pdf

Similar weaknesses have been found in the entire MD/SHA families.

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acroread prints from standalone app but not from browser plugin

2007-11-14 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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acroread7 prints from standalong app but not from firefox plugin;
firefox prints web pages fine.  Any ideas?

FreeBSD monster 8.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #0: Mon Nov 12
13:08:23 EST 2007
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Re: flash: linux firefox vs linuxpluginwrapper

2007-11-12 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 I posed a similar question on this list a short time ago.  Right
 now, the only 'Flash' working on either Linux or native is Flash 7,
 which does not work on many sites.  To get Flash 9, you need to use
 wine under freebsd and install the windows version of Firefox.  I
 have been told that this solution works fine out of the box on
 FreeBSD 6.2 but I have not yet confirmed.

Works right out of the box for all versions of FreeBSD  6 I just
did it on a 8-Current machine doing the following port installs in
this order:

firefox
linux-flashplugin7
acroread7

after you install acroread run nspluginwrapper -v -a -i.

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Re: flash: linux firefox vs linuxpluginwrapper

2007-11-12 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Tino Engel wrote:
 Aryeh M. Friedman schrieb:
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 I posed a similar question on this list a short time ago.  Right
 now, the only 'Flash' working on either Linux or native is Flash 7,
 which does not work on many sites.  To get Flash 9, you need to use
 wine under freebsd and install the windows version of Firefox.  I
 have been told that this solution works fine out of the box on
 FreeBSD 6.2 but I have not yet confirmed.


 Works right out of the box for all versions of FreeBSD  6 I just
 did it on a 8-Current machine doing the following port installs in
 this order:

 firefox
 linux-flashplugin7
 acroread7

 after you install acroread run nspluginwrapper -v -a -i.


  
 So did I. When I run firefox then, I get an error message as follows:

 freebsdangel# firefox
 LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
 /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/libflashplayer.so [Shared object
 libdl.so.2 not found, required by libflashplayer.so]

 But the library is existing:

 freebsdangel# find / -name libdl.so.2
 /usr/compat/linux/lib/libdl.so.2
 freebsdangel#

 And even adjusting the path does not help:

 freebsdangel# setenv PATH ${PATH}:/usr/compat/linux/lib

 The result is the same:

 So basically the question is:
 How can I tell FreeBSD where to find the requested lib??


Did you do it from packages or ports?


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