Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 01:09:33PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 03:43:12 -0400, Allen wrote: If the people who work on Gnome are going to go Linux only, than, f them. Gnome, and maybe also Xfce (for using the same Gtk infrastructures) will _maybe_ turn into a Linux-centered project, and maybe eventually become an own distribution. It's kinda the other way around. The XFCE developers have already started developing specifically for Linux. Their concession to the fact that there are other OSes where people like to use XFCE than just Linux distributions is that the parts of XFCE that only work on Linux-based systems can be left out. If you want those parts, too bad. Last I checked, a few weeks ago, the status of GNOME was that some influential GNOME developers were advocating for doing Linux-only development -- but no decisions along those lines had yet been made. If that has changed, I haven't heard about it yet. That is nothing bad per se, it just means that using future Gnome on FreeBSD will be problematic, or maybe even impossible. On theo other hand, concentrating on _one_ OS platform might give Gnome the boost that it needs for developing better speed, better integration and better functionality, but only if the Linux OS environment allows it to. It seems short-sighted and counterproductive, to me, to say nothing of being a poor choice for development practices in general. There are other things about GNOME that should be fixed long before they take the drastic step of trying to make up for those problems (rather than fixing them) by throwing away stuff that works. It strikes me as a case of poor decision making similar, in principle, to premature optimization. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpn5udmQBMCC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
Apologies to anyone this message appears weird to up front; I'm doing some work on my Windows 7 Partition, and though I'm going to try and make sure this isn't a crappy email message, we all know how Windows can be. I've made sure it's plain text and all but if this appears weird to anyone, I'm sorry, but I have to be on Windows 7 until I finish up. Now, on to my reply :) On 8/5/2011 4:15 PM, Chris Brennan wrote: On 8/5/2011 3:12 PM, Christian Barthel wrote: Hello, I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. I don't know a lot about Gnome3, because a lot of my machines aren't very powerful by today's standards, and if what I read on RAM requirements was true, I won't be able to use it on any machine except this one anyway. I can't Believe how bad Gnome has become And KDE4, though very pretty, is another one I don't like. I usually install KDE3 on BSD for when I want to use KDE as I like 3 better. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I also heard about that. If the people who work on Gnome are going to go Linux only, than, f them. I use Linux, and I like it, but I also like FreeBSD and PC-BSD. And for them to make a statement like that, they might as well piss on their userbase at the same time. That's a huge mistake. I agree with what you say about Gnome3. I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? I clumped those sections together, because I'd like to reply to basically all of it at once, so, here is MY Opinion: I'm a little weird when it comes to Window Managers. I always have been. When I first started straying away from Windows, one of the things I really liked about Linux and BSD, was that I could basically make my desktop look however I wanted. I mean, I did use KDE quite a lot, but, I found myself logging out and back in a lot to try a new one out. I'm basically a user of multiple versions of Linux, and then FreeBSD and PC-BSD (Which, really now, it's just FreeBSD with a paint job and a few custom apps, but it's still cool lol) and I Honestly couldn't pick a favorite Window Manager if I tried. I really couldn't I like being able to change how my Desktop looks, and I don't like being tied down to one Window Manager. I'll be sitting here working on something, and, then, out of on where, I'll be like Hmm, I feel like making this look different and then I'll save my work, or stop what I'm doing, log out, select a different Window Manager, and log back in, and pick up where I left off. I have ADD pretty badly, so Unix in general has always worked well for me, as Unix / Linux / BSD, they all seem to have that magical ability to use any Window Manager you want, and I like that a lot. Even though I said I couldn't pick a favorite even if I tried, I DO have a list of them that I use the most, and that I personally like the most, so, I'll give you the names of some of them, and, maybe it'll help you out :) Now, as I said before; I do like KDE, and I also like Gnome, but from what I understand, those are Desktop Environments and not Window Managers in the true sense of the word. I don't really care a whole lot about that, as it's nit picking to me lol, but here are the others I do Love: Window Maker. I LOVE Window Maker. It's nice looking, it fast, and it has a lot of nice themes I saved, since, well, you can't seem to ever find any of them anymore, except for that one web site where the guy has like 10 or so of them that are like space and stuff, which I'm not into. So, I grabbed my SUSE Linux 8.1 and 8.2 Professional DVDs, popped them in a machine, and copied over the Window Maker themes those versions of SUSE came with, as they are WAY nicer. So, once I did that, I opened up the RPMs, and grabbed all the themes. So now I have them for any Linux or BSD I use. Window Maker in general is cool, and, it can look REALLY nice. And, it's very simply. It also doesn't use up all your Resources which is a huge plus as well. FVWM - I'll lump FVWM, FVWM2, and FVWM-Crystal all in one here, and just say I really like those too. I've used all of those, and also FVWM95, but I didn't like 95 as much as the other ones. Again, these are very fast, look cool, and use very little in resources. I'd like to figure out one day how to configure the Themes and
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 03:43:12 -0400, Allen wrote: I don't know a lot about Gnome3, because a lot of my machines aren't very powerful by today's standards, and if what I read on RAM requirements was true, I won't be able to use it on any machine except this one anyway. I can't Believe how bad Gnome has become All the big ones do catch up with the requirements of the Windows versions they want to be on par with, in order to gain usage share. This sadly makes them unusable except you are willing to regularly dismiss working hardware and buy something new. If you're machine is not very powerful, you should look at window managers primarily - those that manage windows _and nothing more_. All additional functionality can be provided by other programs that you can compose a desktop of, excatly as you like it. For example, if you want a Mac OS X like application launcher and dock, there's a separate program for it. If you want icons on the desktop, there's also a program for it. Need an international clock? Get the one you like. Just to have an impression, have a look at VirtualBSD: http://www.virtualbsd.info/ You can see some screenshots here: http://www.virtualbsd.info/screenshots/ This is also a compositum of different programs, nicely arranged for for a unit that is much more efficient than the one huge size fits all attitude that seems to be the driving force behind KDE, Gnome, and maybe even Xfce. And KDE4, though very pretty, is another one I don't like. To _me_, KDE always was a no-go as I had to invest too much time to make it do what I need. Of course, for other users it might fit perfectly well in the default configuration. If the people who work on Gnome are going to go Linux only, than, f them. Gnome, and maybe also Xfce (for using the same Gtk infrastructures) will _maybe_ turn into a Linux-centered project, and maybe eventually become an own distribution. That is nothing bad per se, it just means that using future Gnome on FreeBSD will be problematic, or maybe even impossible. On theo other hand, concentrating on _one_ OS platform might give Gnome the boost that it needs for developing better speed, better integration and better functionality, but only if the Linux OS environment allows it to. I clumped those sections together, because I'd like to reply to basically all of it at once, so, here is MY Opinion: I'm a little weird when it comes to Window Managers. I always have been. When I first started straying away from Windows, one of the things I really liked about Linux and BSD, was that I could basically make my desktop look however I wanted. I mean, I did use KDE quite a lot, but, I found myself logging out and back in a lot to try a new one out. This is called _freedom_. :-) I'm basically a user of multiple versions of Linux, and then FreeBSD and PC-BSD (Which, really now, it's just FreeBSD with a paint job and a few custom apps, but it's still cool lol) and I Honestly couldn't pick a favorite Window Manager if I tried. Please do not confuse KDE with a window manager. A window manager is _part_ of KDE, which itself is a complete desktop environment. Today, KDE is even more, it's a software compilation. I really couldn't I like being able to change how my Desktop looks, and I don't like being tied down to one Window Manager. I've seen environments where some programmers did use different window managers in parallel (on two or three workstations). One of them had a dual-screen setup on one machine, running a tiling window manager where he had his coding windows on. On a machine next to it, he had something that looked like IceWM. On a third machine, he did multimedia stuff in an environment that looked like Mac OS X (but he told me it's a Linux system). The funny thing: He did move between those different paradigms without any problems. Consistency? Hey man, I'm using over 50 different programs here, why should I want them to look the same?! :-) I'll be sitting here working on something, and, then, out of on where, I'll be like Hmm, I feel like making this look different and then I'll save my work, or stop what I'm doing, log out, select a different Window Manager, and log back in, and pick up where I left off. A side note: WindowMaker has the ability to keep your work, quit itself and launch a different window manager. This is simple because the programs that are currently running are not tied to the window manager, which is also just a program. So for example, I can click on the desktop or press the Stop key on my Sun keyboard, activate the WM menu, and select Session - Start IceWM or Start Blackbox. Windows lose their management control elements, and IceWM comes up, adding its decorations. From IceWM, I can then also go back to WindowMaker. I have ADD pretty badly, so Unix in general has always worked well for me, as Unix / Linux / BSD, they all seem to have that magical ability to use any Window
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
+11 for ScrotWM On Aug 31, 2011 2:57 PM, Aaron Kaufman aa...@aaronkaufman.com wrote: Christian, As far as tiling window managers go I highly recommend Scrotwm [x11-wm/scrotwm]. The configuration is straight forward and getting it up and running is a breeze. I have been happily using it for the past few years and I don't see myself going back. Just keep in mind there aren't any bells and whistles included, just how a WM should be :D Good luck, Aaron On 9:12:14PM, Christian Barthel b...@nyx.user-mode.org wrote: Hello, I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? -- Christian Barthel Public-Key: http://bc.user-mode.org/bc.asc Mail: b...@nyx.user-mode.org Web: http://bc.user-mode.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
Christian Barthel b...@nyx.user-mode.org, 2011-08-05 21:12 (+0200): What is your window manager? Obviously, I use x11-wm/mcwm. More about it here, including a screenshot: http://hack.org/mc/hacks/mcwm/ Be sure to update your ports tree before installing so you get the latest version. Or download the latest tarball from the website. Or use git. mcwm is a minimalist stacking window manager based on the X C Binding (XCB) library, the new (well...) Xlib replacement. mcwm doesn't use Xlib at all. The window manager never draws anything: no window decorations, no menus, no nothing. Windows still get a thin 1 pixel frame as a feature of the X protocol. Configurable. Good keyboard control, including moving and resizing. You will feel right at home if you have played Nethack. Virtual workspaces are supported. Switching is fast even on slow machines. RANDR is supported. mcwm knows about different physical screens. On this machine (an ARM based netbook from Genesi) mcwm uses 668 kBytes resident memory. Before writing mcwm I had a period when I was using evilwm, which shows quite a bit in the key bindings of mcwm, and before that I was mainly a CTWM user. I was also using 9wm for a while, way back, mostly on the X terminal standing next to the real Plan 9 box in my office. -- http://hack.org/mc/ Use plain text e-mail, please. HTML messages silently dropped. OpenPGP welcome, 0xE4C92FA5. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On Fri,05-08-2011 [21:12:14], Christian Barthel wrote: Hello, I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? -- Christian Barthel Whenever I need simple, fast, neat and bloat-free working environment, I usually go with openbox. Cheers! -- Jeff L. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 21:12:14 +0200, Christian Barthel wrote: As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Xfce is said to be, too. :-) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. [...] Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? I'm primarily using WindowMaker. It has excellent and programmabe keyboard support. Its configuration can be done on file level, even though it's not _that_ easy. It has lots of useful features and runs very fast and stable. It does _not_ come with crap built in. Alternatives worth mentioning are IceWM and XFCE 3 (_not_ the new Xfce, the old one that mimics CDE). Those may be good if you like the classic way. Also fvwm2 is highly configurable and has good keyboard support. It's especially efficient on screens of smaller sizes. All of them are predictable, unlike many modern concepts... Because the magic of tiling window managers didn't open up to me yet, I can't comment on them, but I'm sure many professional users do actively use them, as after a bit of learning and practicing, those are said to be more comfortable than the common windowing solutions that urgently need to entertain you. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:23:15AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 21:12:14 +0200, Christian Barthel wrote: As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Xfce is said to be, too. :-) The XFCE project has elected to support certain functionality by way of subsystems that only exist in Linux-based OSes. The window manager and desktop environment can still be used without that functionality, though. This was how the XFCE project maintainers decided to make it portable; by providing a way to not use certain functionality that requires the Linux kernel and subsystems that depend on it. Because the magic of tiling window managers didn't open up to me yet, I can't comment on them, but I'm sure many professional users do actively use them, as after a bit of learning and practicing, those are said to be more comfortable than the common windowing solutions that urgently need to entertain you. :-) If you want to have a friendly introduction to tiling window managers, I recommend i3. It's not a children's window manager, as beginner friendly versions of some other things are, but it is still more friendly to beginners than most tiling window managers in my opinion. For those who like to dive in head first and wade through the technical documentation in depth, xmonad and dwm are great. For those who want a somewhat gentler initial learning curve, though, i3 is great. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp1KeIk2vmXG.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On 05/08/2011 20:12, Christian Barthel wrote: Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? When I'm not running KDE I like using Window Maker. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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I have always enjoyed using Window Maker. Unfortunately there does not seem to be much activity around it anymore. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On 08/07/2011 02:17 PM, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: 07.08.2011 16:24, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Sunday, August 07, 2011 a las 12:05:12AM +0300, Volodymyr Kostyrko escribió: 05.08.2011 22:12, Christian Barthel wrote: As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) Once a year I build up a Gnome or KDE to look at all this stuff... Then I go back to E17. I have installed /usr/ports/x11-wm/enlightenment Could you please point me to a starters guide for beginners? Normaly I'm using KDE 3.5.10, but will check it out. Thanks Try http://www.enlightenment.org for example. I'm starting it from .xsession like this: exec /usr/local/bin/enlightenment_start I used XFCE + Compiz + Emerald for a few years. Yes, bloated I know. It was not bloated enough (or so I thought) to matter. Now I use e17. It's light and useful, the features that increase productivity more than make-up for any limitations due to bugs. Make sure that Hardware acceleration is on however, I find the software acceleration a bit too crashy. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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I quite like this http://www.vtwm.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Something traditional on my laptop - I use Blackbox 07.01. It even takes less memory and appears a little more responsive then Fluxbox. Its a pity the developer didnt release any updates for years. Will see how long it stands with more contemporary Unix systems. Cheers herbs ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
El día Sunday, August 07, 2011 a las 12:05:12AM +0300, Volodymyr Kostyrko escribió: 05.08.2011 22:12, Christian Barthel wrote: As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) Once a year I build up a Gnome or KDE to look at all this stuff... Then I go back to E17. I have installed /usr/ports/x11-wm/enlightenment Could you please point me to a starters guide for beginners? Normaly I'm using KDE 3.5.10, but will check it out. Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
07.08.2011 16:24, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Sunday, August 07, 2011 a las 12:05:12AM +0300, Volodymyr Kostyrko escribió: 05.08.2011 22:12, Christian Barthel wrote: As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) Once a year I build up a Gnome or KDE to look at all this stuff... Then I go back to E17. I have installed /usr/ports/x11-wm/enlightenment Could you please point me to a starters guide for beginners? Normaly I'm using KDE 3.5.10, but will check it out. Thanks Try http://www.enlightenment.org for example. I'm starting it from .xsession like this: exec /usr/local/bin/enlightenment_start -- Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On 05/08/2011 21:12, Christian Barthel wrote: Hello, I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? I *love* dwm for developping, I always start three terms, one for vim, one for compiling and one for manual pages :) It is my best way to write code efficiently. I also like much its features like autotagging, multitagging and direct support of non-resizeable windows. When I only use my desktop and don't want a tiled wm I'd rather use pekwm, it is fast and similar to fluxbox without a taskbar but with more features and a very easy config file syntax. Pekwm is absolutely perfect with its autoproperties, you can do almost what you want with any window :) Cheers, -- David Demelier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Christian Barthel b...@nyx.user-mode.org wrote: What is your window manager? +1 for fluxbox. Minimalistic, functional, very easy to configure. Using it for a long time and no desire to change. I used fvwm2 and ctwm before, and I still like and use olvwm every now and then. Christian Barthel -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
Christian Barthel writes: Hello, I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? If you want efficient window manager (i.e. can be operated using keybindings), and you're into tiling window managers, then you can try Xmonad[1], or awesome[2] window manager. OR if you don't want tiling window manager, then you can try Fluxbox and customize with keybindings, and it works great. References: [1] http://www.xmonad.org/ [2] http://awesome.naquadah.org/ HTH -- Ashish SHUKLA | GPG: F682 CDCC 39DC 0FEA E116 20B6 C746 CFA9 E74F A4B0 freebsd.org!ashish | http://people.freebsd.org/~ashish/ Avoid Success At All Costs !! pgpT28i7eGIdT.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 09:20:08PM -0600, Dmitri Brengauz wrote: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 07:08:25PM -0400, Rod Person wrote: If you like Fluxbox you might want to try OpenBox. Nah. Stick with Fluxbox. Sorry, but why? I went with OpenBox, because it seemed like it was under current development, and Fluxbox is stagnant, otherwise, I didn't see much difference. But I do find it curious that so many on this thread are recommending Fluxbox, and almost no one OpenBox. What would be the reason? Fluxbox supports window tabbing. Last I checked, OpenBox did not. In fact, amongst the 'box window managers, window tabbing is pretty much the killer feature. That, and it has a better license than OpenBox. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpXiIofe5VT6.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 09:12:14PM +0200, Christian Barthel wrote: Hello, I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? So far, thank's for your hints. It's very interesting to read the different opinions... (this is still one of the great things about FreeBSD: a great community) I think AfterStep isn't intersting anymore, actually - I really like afterstep ;) Most users recommend fluxbox or a very slight, tiling window manager, xmonad. In the next few days, I will try OpenBOX and xmonad. Then, I have tested enough wms ... -- Christian Barthel Public-Key: http://bc.user-mode.org/bc.asc Mail: b...@nyx.user-mode.org Web: http://bc.user-mode.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Christian Barthel Public-Key: http://bc.user-mode.org/bc.asc Mail: b...@nyx.user-mode.org Web: http://bc.user-mode.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Sat, 6 Aug 2011 08:26:39 -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: Sorry, but why? I went with OpenBox, because it seemed like it was under current development, and Fluxbox is stagnant, otherwise, I didn't see much difference. But I do find it curious that so many on this thread are recommending Fluxbox, and almost no one OpenBox. What would be the reason? Fluxbox supports window tabbing. Last I checked, OpenBox did not. In fact, amongst the 'box window managers, window tabbing is pretty much the killer feature. That, and it has a better license than OpenBox. I'll agree that Fluxbox license is better. But I find OpenBox more responsive and it seem to just look better to me. I'm not a fan of tabbing so that doesn't matter to me. I've been using Openbox as my WM for 4 or 5 years, before that it was Fluxbox. -- Rod Person http://www.rodperson.com If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold blue beetle - MetaFilter ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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05.08.2011 22:12, Christian Barthel wrote: As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) Once a year I build up a Gnome or KDE to look at all this stuff... Then I go back to E17. I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? 0k, I'll describe mine one for you: = Enlightement 17 = Eyecandy: 5. Maybe you don't need that, but that's doesn't eats up your cpu and mem. I think only KDE4 or MacOS can beat this one. Memory: 4. The process eats up 30M on i386. Most plugins are loaded as modules so it's fairly light for most machines. CPU: 4. With all eyecandy and staff it eats something about 18 secs per hour for me in average. It can eat more if some heavy plugins are loaded. Configuration: 4. Not 5 because there's no text files for that. Apart that everything can be changed. I prefer unloading most modules like file manager, desktops, taskbars and other staff staying only with desktop, gadgets and fullscreen windows. You can set everything to work without a mouse, or you can set everything to work only with mouse. It gives me even higher level of freedom as XFCE. Also it works perfectly with two monitors, while XFCE shows garbage on second one... Maybe I'm missing something though. -- Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 08:26:39AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 09:20:08PM -0600, Dmitri Brengauz wrote: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 07:08:25PM -0400, Rod Person wrote: If you like Fluxbox you might want to try OpenBox. Nah. Stick with Fluxbox. Sorry, but why? I went with OpenBox, because it seemed like it was under current development, and Fluxbox is stagnant, otherwise, I didn't see much difference. But I do find it curious that so many on this thread are recommending Fluxbox, and almost no one OpenBox. What would be the reason? Fluxbox supports window tabbing. Last I checked, OpenBox did not. In fact, amongst the 'box window managers, window tabbing is pretty much the killer feature. Despite using Fluxbox for a number of years, I wasn't even aware of tabbing. The only thing I can think of tabbing is xterms but I use tmux for that. What do you use tabbing for? That, and it has a better license than OpenBox. Never worried about the license. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html pgpXrWh5dBJ3D.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 11:49:12PM +0100, Frank Shute wrote: On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 08:26:39AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: Fluxbox supports window tabbing. Last I checked, OpenBox did not. In fact, amongst the 'box window managers, window tabbing is pretty much the killer feature. Despite using Fluxbox for a number of years, I wasn't even aware of tabbing. The only thing I can think of tabbing is xterms but I use tmux for that. What do you use tabbing for? I use it for stacking windows together with tabs. What else? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpXch56BFngF.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sun, 7 Aug 2011, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: 0k, I'll describe mine one for you: = Enlightement 17 = ... Also it works perfectly with two monitors, while XFCE shows garbage on second one... Maybe I'm missing something though. Could be a config or driver problem. I've been using xfce with two monitors on Radeon cards for years. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Hello, I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? -- Christian Barthel Public-Key: http://bc.user-mode.org/bc.asc Mail: b...@nyx.user-mode.org Web: http://bc.user-mode.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Quoth Christian Barthel on Friday, 05 August 2011: Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? xmonad. Minimal, tiled, keyboard-driven but also mouseable, fully customizable via configuration files written in Haskell. -- .O. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com ..O | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com pgpEsM7ITEL2f.pgp Description: PGP signature
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For me fluxbox is the way to go, since it is very light, has good key binding configuration and can be configured very easily. The only thing that I miss is the true transparency feature of Compiz, which can be quite useful sometimes, for example to quickly compare plots. Xfce is next on my list, since it got lots of features without being too heavy... On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Christian Barthel b...@nyx.user-mode.org wrote: Hello, I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? -- Christian Barthel Public-Key: http://bc.user-mode.org/bc.asc Mail: b...@nyx.user-mode.org Web: http://bc.user-mode.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Christian Barthel wrote: Hello, I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? ### Aloha... I have used xfce3 since it came out years ago and it is sparce and fast with nothing unnecessary that you cant kill off. Very functional and no clutter or eye candy. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On 8/5/2011 3:12 PM, Christian Barthel wrote: Hello, I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? Christian, I'm usually a fluxbox fanatic, but lately, I've been messing with other WM's just for the hell of it. Never was a fan of Gnome, 1.x or 2.x and KDE was just fugly as all getout. But that's just my opinion :D. XFCE4 was always my second choice for a WM, slightly more feature rich but not bloated like Gnome/KDE. If you want to wrastle (yes wrastle!) with gnome-lite[3], that could be a possibility for you as well (it's lite because it doesn't pull in *all* of the deps of a full gnome2 install but you can accidentily pull them in by installing something else) I'm a minimalist at heart, even when I have to use Windows, I prefer EmergeDesktop[1] over the default windows shell. So that said, Fluxbox has always fit the bill as to being as minimalistic yet extensible as I needed it to be when I needed it to be. If your *seriously* hardcore, you can check out ratpoison[2] (good luck on that evilgrin) To be perfectly square about it, I honestly went and installed all kinds of Window Managers, Gnome, KDE (yes I still do occasionally try new releases), KFCE, fluxbox/openbox/blackbox as well as a few more obscure and less/non-maintained WM's such as e17 and the ever fabled e18/e19 beta builds and yes, I even tried ratpoison (just keep in mind that the last news even for it was Dec. of '09. Good lucj on your quest for a WM and maybe ... document it for us, others might learn something from your trials and tribulations. [1] http://www.emergedesktop.org [2] http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/ [3] x11/gnome2-lite -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:46:27PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: xmonad. Minimal, tiled, keyboard-driven but also mouseable, fully customizable via configuration files written in Haskell. Another vote for xmonad. You may be startled at first to come up instantly to an empty screen, but you likely won't miss the bloat. Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 03:43:46PM -0500, Alex Stangl wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:46:27PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: xmonad. Minimal, tiled, keyboard-driven but also mouseable, fully customizable via configuration files written in Haskell. Another vote for xmonad. You may be startled at first to come up instantly to an empty screen, but you likely won't miss the bloat. Looks not as bloated as other wms. Where is the difference between xmonad and tmux ;) Alex ___ -- Christian Barthel Public-Key: http://bc.user-mode.org/bc.asc Mail: b...@nyx.user-mode.org Web: http://bc.user-mode.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Alex Stangl a...@stangl.us wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:46:27PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: xmonad. Minimal, tiled, keyboard-driven but also mouseable, fully customizable via configuration files written in Haskell. Another vote for xmonad. You may be startled at first to come up instantly to an empty screen, but you likely won't miss the bloat. Like xmonad, but written in C . . . scrotwm. Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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scrotwm is my main wm, but I also like fluxbox. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Alex Stangl a...@stangl.us wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:46:27PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: xmonad. Minimal, tiled, keyboard-driven but also mouseable, fully customizable via configuration files written in Haskell. Another vote for xmonad. You may be startled at first to come up instantly to an empty screen, but you likely won't miss the bloat. Like xmonad, but written in C . . . scrotwm. Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 21:12:14 +0200 Christian Barthel b...@nyx.user-mode.org wrote: I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? If you like Fluxbox you might want to try OpenBox. -- Rod Person rodper...@rodperson.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 09:12:14PM +0200, Christian Barthel wrote: I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. As I recall, he made the switch from KDE to GNOME because of KDE 4 being a steaming turd, too. He must be getting tired of his favorite desktop environments going south on him. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. With these preferences, I wonder why you ever used GNOME at all. I commend your evolving preferences, though. I, too, like a window manager that stays out of my way and offers what I need to boost productivity rather than to coddle a desire for bells and whistles. Spinning cubes, menu fade effects, and panels/bars/docks strewn about the edges of my display do not serve those needs. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Fluxbox is definitely a step in the direction you seem to want to take with your future selection of window managers. It tends to be very intuitive to people who are familiar with the Windows, Icons, Menus, and Pointers model, including taskbars -- even though it does not by default support desktop icons (thank goodness). As a way to move toward less cluttered working environments, it is something I am often compelled to recommend for those who are used to the common style of UI dominated by panels/bars/docks and menus. I don't think of Fluxbox as a destination, though, so much as a stepping stone. Are there any other window manager worth looking? FreeBSD, last I checked, has a rare window manager called AHWM in ports. For floating window environments that interact well with the mouse, but are lightweight, with heavy support for keyboard-driven operation (in fact it leaves menu management up to third-party utilities, and otherwise assumes you will configure keyboard shortcuts; I skipped the menu and went with the keyboard shortcuts for everything), it is about as good and get-out-of-the-way efficient as a window manager can get. I'd bet money it involves fewer lines of code, smaller binary size, fewer dependencies, and smaller memory footprint than your terminal emulator; it's fast, stable, and flexible, and pretty much offers no eye candy at all whatsoever. After a long path from KDE through a dozen or so window managers over the years, I ended up with AHWM in 2005 or 2006, and stuck with it until the beginning of this year. As floating window environments go, it is easily my favorite window manager, period. This year, though, I finally started using a tiling window manager heavily. What is your window manager? I use i3 these days. It has some similarities to wmii, but i3 is pretty much the ideal introductory window manager for someone new to tiling window managers. That doesn't mean it's only good for beginners, though; it's really quite nice in its own right. If you aren't ready for a tiling window manager, or just don't like the tiling model, I refer you back to Fluxbox and AHWM, depending on how far down the rabbit hole you want to go. I hope that helps. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpOlrLjuDqy5.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 09:12:14PM +0200, Christian Barthel wrote: I read on slashdot that Linus Torvalds moved from Gnome 2.3x to Xfce. It seems that he isn't thrilled by xfce, but it's far better than Gnome3. As I recall, he made the switch from KDE to GNOME because of KDE 4 being a steaming turd, too. He must be getting tired of his favorite desktop environments going south on him. As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) I am not very interested in eyecandy: I want a stable and fast wm (less memory and cpu, quick access to important places), different workspaces, and it should be configurable with ordinary files. Of course, It must run under FreeBSD. With these preferences, I wonder why you ever used GNOME at all. I commend your evolving preferences, though. I, too, like a window manager that stays out of my way and offers what I need to boost productivity rather than to coddle a desire for bells and whistles. Spinning cubes, menu fade effects, and panels/bars/docks strewn about the edges of my display do not serve those needs. I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Fluxbox is definitely a step in the direction you seem to want to take with your future selection of window managers. It tends to be very intuitive to people who are familiar with the Windows, Icons, Menus, and Pointers model, including taskbars -- even though it does not by default support desktop icons (thank goodness). As a way to move toward less cluttered working environments, it is something I am often compelled to recommend for those who are used to the common style of UI dominated by panels/bars/docks and menus. I don't think of Fluxbox as a destination, though, so much as a stepping stone. Are there any other window manager worth looking? FreeBSD, last I checked, has a rare window manager called AHWM in ports. For floating window environments that interact well with the mouse, but are lightweight, with heavy support for keyboard-driven operation (in fact it leaves menu management up to third-party utilities, and otherwise assumes you will configure keyboard shortcuts; I skipped the menu and went with the keyboard shortcuts for everything), it is about as good and get-out-of-the-way efficient as a window manager can get. I'd bet money it involves fewer lines of code, smaller binary size, fewer dependencies, and smaller memory footprint than your terminal emulator; it's fast, stable, and flexible, and pretty much offers no eye candy at all whatsoever. After a long path from KDE through a dozen or so window managers over the years, I ended up with AHWM in 2005 or 2006, and stuck with it until the beginning of this year. As floating window environments go, it is easily my favorite window manager, period. This year, though, I finally started using a tiling window manager heavily. What is your window manager? I use i3 these days. It has some similarities to wmii, but i3 is pretty much the ideal introductory window manager for someone new to tiling window managers. That doesn't mean it's only good for beginners, though; it's really quite nice in its own right. If you aren't ready for a tiling window manager, or just don't like the tiling model, I refer you back to Fluxbox and AHWM, depending on how far down the rabbit hole you want to go. I hope that helps. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] fvwm2 anytime. -- Frosty-456 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 11:07:39PM +0200, Christian Barthel wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 03:43:46PM -0500, Alex Stangl wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:46:27PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: xmonad. Minimal, tiled, keyboard-driven but also mouseable, fully customizable via configuration files written in Haskell. Another vote for xmonad. You may be startled at first to come up instantly to an empty screen, but you likely won't miss the bloat. Looks not as bloated as other wms. Where is the difference between xmonad and tmux ;) X Window System vs. console. Also, Haskell. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp8RH341Z1hC.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 07:08:25PM -0400, Rod Person wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 21:12:14 +0200 Christian Barthel b...@nyx.user-mode.org wrote: I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? If you like Fluxbox you might want to try OpenBox. Nah. Stick with Fluxbox. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp30VPyQLSeN.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 05:27:05PM -0700, Ivan Frosty wrote: fvwm2 anytime. I suppose that's an option, but it's kinda bloated for my tastes. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgptoyCWFY7xm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 07:08:25PM -0400, Rod Person wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 21:12:14 +0200 Christian Barthel b...@nyx.user-mode.org wrote: I sniffed into AfterStep, fvwm2 and fluxbox (I don't want to use KDE). I think, fluxbox is a nice wm and for my future, it will be the default wm for me. It's also very fast and easy to configure. Are there any other window manager worth looking? What is your window manager? If you like Fluxbox you might want to try OpenBox. Nah. Stick with Fluxbox. Sorry, but why? I went with OpenBox, because it seemed like it was under current development, and Fluxbox is stagnant, otherwise, I didn't see much difference. But I do find it curious that so many on this thread are recommending Fluxbox, and almost no one OpenBox. What would be the reason? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
