Re: Attacking our pc router at work

2006-04-05 Thread Michal Mertl
Mark Jayson Alvarez wrote:
> Hi,

>I have one question. What if I change my ip and mac address at the
>  same time to that of our pcrouter's ip and mac... Will this going to
>  kick out that router in our network, causing the rest of the entire
>  lan to be out of service?? No one's gonna caught me right?? Arpwatch
>  can only watch if an ip address has moved to another mac address but
>  not when both ip and mac has moved to another ip and mac... Do you
>  know any possible solution to this??  

Your question is off topic for this list.

Use inteligent switches (not hubs) and port security (you can allow only
a specific MAC address behind a switch port). You could also use static 
entries on the switch for some MAC addresses (entry on a switch is a MAC
address + port behind which the address can be found) but that isn't as
safe. An attacker can generate traffic with lots of source MAC
addresses. Every switch has limited memory to store the MAC addresses
and usually when the table is full it starts working as a hub. A
sophisticate attacker may still be able to contaminate end stations - if
he sends a gratuitous ARP reply to a station where he pretends he is the
router (changes the MAC address), he will receive the traffic for the
router and can also then make man-in-the-middle attacks (insert himself
into forwarding chain of the station).

More sophisticated solution is using 802.1x - port-based authentication
- a switch will only start forwarding traffic to you once you
authenticate and you of course shouldn't be able to authenticate as the
server.

On FreeBSD you can disable ARP and/or create static ARP entries and it
will protect you a little but you also need to configure some protection
on the network infrastructure.

It's quite a complex issue to protect against this type of attack and I
am no real guru so please take what I said with a grain of salt.

HTH

Michal

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RE: Attacking our pc router at work

2006-04-05 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


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>
>
>Hi,
> 
> I have one question. What if I change my ip and mac address at 
>the same time to that of our pcrouter's ip and mac... Will this 
>going to kick out that router in our network, causing the rest 
>of the entire lan to be out of service??

Yes.

>No one's gonna caught 
>me right??

That depends.

>Arpwatch can only watch if an ip address has moved 
>to another mac address but not when both ip and mac has moved 
>to another ip and mac... Do you know any possible solution to this??
>

Yes, buy good managed switches and install mac-level filters.  People
that run dumb hubs or unmanaged
switches in a large network are effin idiots in my book.

In a small network, like 20 or fewer stations, a savvy admin who
has encountered this trick before (ie: someone who has worked
college networks since there's always a few smart guys in the
fresman dorms who try this every year) can simply start pulling
out patch connections from the main hub or switch until the problem
goes away.

Typically corporate nets don't have these kinds of problems since
not many people want to risk getting fired.

Ted
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Attacking our pc router at work

2006-04-05 Thread Mark Jayson Alvarez
Hi,
 
 I have one question. What if I change my ip and mac address at the same time 
to that of our pcrouter's ip and mac... Will this going to kick out that router 
in our network, causing the rest of the entire lan to be out of service?? No 
one's gonna caught me right?? Arpwatch can only watch if an ip address has 
moved to another mac address but not when both ip and mac has moved to another 
ip and mac... Do you know any possible solution to this??
 
 Thanks..
 

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