RE: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote

2006-01-03 Thread fbsd_user




On Monday 02 January 2006 10:52, fbsd_user wrote:
 here is another install guide more up to date

http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php

When I finish with getting Free BSD 6.0 I'll write another one the
same way I
did that one.

Are you claiming authorship for the install guide at the above URL?



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Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote

2006-01-03 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2006-01-03 12:25, fbsd_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Monday 02 January 2006 10:52, fbsd_user wrote:
  here is another install guide more up to date
 
 http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php

 When I finish with getting Free BSD 6.0 I'll write another one the
 same way I did that one.

 Are you claiming authorship for the install guide at the above URL?

Nice quoting and attribution of post snippets there...

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Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote

2006-01-03 Thread Frank Laszlo



fbsd_user wrote:
 here is another install guide more up to date

http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php

   
This is an excellent howto. Explains each step in detail, and highlights
key points. also shows screenshots of the entire process.

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Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote

2006-01-03 Thread Allen
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 12:30, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
 On 2006-01-03 12:25, fbsd_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Monday 02 January 2006 10:52, fbsd_user wrote:
   here is another install guide more up to date
  
  http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php
 
  When I finish with getting Free BSD 6.0 I'll write another one the
  same way I did that one.
 
  Are you claiming authorship for the install guide at the above URL?

No, I claimed authorship to the link I posted in the original message. I tried 
to trim out a huge chunk but for some reason that was what it ended up with. 
although I know I left more than this in there.

The original message I sent has a link to the one I wrote, I said I would make 
it the same as the one I wrote and explained what i meant further down in the 
message.
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Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote

2006-01-03 Thread Josh Soza



Allen wrote:

I wrote this quite a while ago and I've posted it to the docs list before and 
it got a good repsonce, but I've seen a couple install questions on here so 
I'm going to link to it again for this list. I don't think there is an easier 
to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did do very well with 
it in making it easy as crap to install:


http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=threadid=259335

You don't have to sign up to read this.

-Allen



First off this is NOT a flame.  But I found your tutorial extremely hard 
to follow.  First what does a user do if they can't boot from CD?  Are 
there any preinstallation tasks like: inventory of hardware, ps/2 mouse 
or serial, size of partitions, user accounts/groups(other than root).  I 
personally find it easier if you have a plan rather than shooting from 
the hip.  
You should have just told people to use the FreeBSD book or goto the 
handbook online. 
Another thing is that most people don't want to know or figure out how 
to install an operating system.  They just want that puter thing to 
work.  They don't care about disk partitions, video cards, or mouse 
daemons they just want it to work. 
You say: 


I don't think there is an easier
to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did do very well 
with

it in making it easy as crap to install

I guess thats anitonline.com for yah. 
What about http://www.freebsd.org/handbook as Frank said. 
You should join the core team with your humbleness.  Then in a later 
post on this thread you go onto say Lots more but I'm not going to 
waste space.  For that I applaude you ;)  Again this isn't a flame just 
being brutally honest.  I think Frank said it best Good luck on your 
future writing, I hope that I didnt come across to strong on this post, 
But it is what it is.


-josh

p.s.  Hello World!  Sorry I'm a newbie...Had to get that out  :)
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Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote

2006-01-03 Thread Allen
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 16:50, Josh Soza wrote:
 Allen wrote:
 I wrote this quite a while ago and I've posted it to the docs list before
  and it got a good repsonce, but I've seen a couple install questions on
  here so I'm going to link to it again for this list. I don't think there
  is an easier to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did
  do very well with it in making it easy as crap to install:
 
 http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=threadid=259335
 
 You don't have to sign up to read this.
 
 -Allen

 First off this is NOT a flame.  But I found your tutorial extremely hard
 to follow.  First what does a user do if they can't boot from CD?  

I believe in the intro I pointed out Assumptions that you need to boot from 
CD for this particular tutorial. May God have mercy on anyone trying to do a 
floppy install. Even the books say not to do that.

Ah here it is:

Assumptions:
You have a CD-ROM drive

You won't be sharing the HD with another OS (If you are, when it comes time to 
partition, you're on your own I won't be showing you how to partition to use 
another OS with it, as I don't, and don't feel the need to, as there is 
enough documentation to get you through this anyway, and besides, you have to 
partition to use Free BSD anyway, so if you can do that, you can do it to 
allow another OS to reside on disk with Free BSD too.)


You will be setting up a network connection. (If you are not, then skip that 
section).

 Are 
 there any preinstallation tasks like: inventory of hardware, ps/2 mouse
 or serial, size of partitions, user accounts/groups(other than root).  I
 personally find it easier if you have a plan rather than shooting from
 the hip.

Again I believe that was pointed out as well where I pointed out the others I 
wrote, those say to grab all hardware info from your current OS as you'll 
need it. And I believe it was pointed out in this one as well. Not positive 
as I'm not reading through the entire thing, I've been up for 24 hours and 
I'm to tired to look when I know my other tutorials are linked to at the 
bottom and that do say to do so.

 You should have just told people to use the FreeBSD book or goto the
 handbook online.

I did Several times. Except I took out online and put Buy these two books 
as they are good for anyone using BSD. Again, I believe people should at 
least buy those two books listed in the tutorial, both go over installs with 
pictures, and again, this was meant for people that you rightly pointed out 
don't care how the computer works.

The users who've read it and used it have told me it was the easiest doc the 
have ever read and they were glad it was in non technical terms for them. A 
couple admins told me they have printed this out and put it up at the office.



 Another thing is that most people don't want to know or figure out how
 to install an operating system.  They just want that puter thing to
 work.  They don't care about disk partitions, video cards, or mouse
 daemons they just want it to work.
 You say:

 I don't think there is an easier
 to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did do very well
 with
 it in making it easy as crap to install

 I guess thats anitonline.com for yah.
 What about http://www.freebsd.org/handbook as Frank said.
 You should join the core team with your humbleness.  Then in a later
 post on this thread you go onto say Lots more but I'm not going to
 waste space.  For that I applaude you ;)  Again this isn't a flame just
 being brutally honest.  I think Frank said it best Good luck on your
 future writing, I hope that I didnt come across to strong on this post,
 But it is what it is.

If I got bothered because someone didn't appreciate my work I'd sure be 
depressed. I've been flamed to the point someone said something I wrote was 
complete crap and I should commit suicide. THAT was harsh.

And another mail I sent to the list today, I pointed out the reason I didn't 
link tot he docs. I WANT people to BUY the books from Free BSD to help 
support the project. You can't possibly think that was wrong of me, the 
developers need to eat too.


 -josh

 p.s.  Hello World!  Sorry I'm a newbie...Had to get that out  :)
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Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote

2006-01-03 Thread Frank J. Laszlo

Allen wrote:


On Tuesday 03 January 2006 16:50, Josh Soza wrote:
 

 


..snip..

And another mail I sent to the list today, I pointed out the reason I didn't 
link tot he docs. I WANT people to BUY the books from Free BSD to help 
support the project. You can't possibly think that was wrong of me, the 
developers need to eat too.
 



For the sake of argument, most of those publishers do not contribute to 
the community anyways. I believe the freebsdmall contributes a portion 
of all profits to the project, im not 100% sure though..


Regards,
   Frank
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Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote

2006-01-03 Thread Jerry McAllister
 
 Allen wrote:
 
 On Tuesday 03 January 2006 16:50, Josh Soza wrote:
 
 ..snip..
 
 And another mail I sent to the list today, I pointed out the reason I didn't 
 link tot he docs. I WANT people to BUY the books from Free BSD to help 
 support the project. You can't possibly think that was wrong of me, the 
 developers need to eat too.
 
 
 For the sake of argument, most of those publishers do not contribute to 
 the community anyways. 


I think that is true, but just having some traffic in their FreeBSD 
selection is positive and supports the possibility that they might
just publish more.

   I believe the freebsdmall contributes a portion 
 of all profits to the project, im not 100% sure though..

I have heard they do, but don't know any details.

jerry

 
 Regards,
 Frank
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Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote

2006-01-03 Thread Jerry McAllister
 
 On Tuesday 03 January 2006 16:50, Josh Soza wrote:
  Allen wrote:
  I wrote this quite a while ago and I've posted it to the docs list before
   and it got a good repsonce, but I've seen a couple install questions on
   here so I'm going to link to it again for this list. I don't think there
   is an easier to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did
   do very well with it in making it easy as crap to install:
  
  http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=threadid=259335
  
  You don't have to sign up to read this.
  
  -Allen
 
  First off this is NOT a flame.  But I found your tutorial extremely hard
  to follow.  First what does a user do if they can't boot from CD?  
 
 I believe in the intro I pointed out Assumptions that you need to boot from 
 CD for this particular tutorial. May God have mercy on anyone trying to do a 
 floppy install. Even the books say not to do that.

Doing the full install from floppy would be tortuous, but using the 
floppy to boot the sysinstall and then doing the installation over
the net is reasonable - not much different from using the CD to 
install over the net - which is what I normally do.

jerry

 
 Ah here it is:
 
 Assumptions:
 You have a CD-ROM drive
 
  -josh
 
  p.s.  Hello World!  Sorry I'm a newbie...Had to get that out  :)
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RE: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote

2006-01-02 Thread fbsd_user
here is another install guide more up to date

   http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php




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Subject: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote


I wrote this quite a while ago and I've posted it to the docs list
before and
it got a good repsonce, but I've seen a couple install questions on
here so
I'm going to link to it again for this list. I don't think there is
an easier
to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did do very
well with
it in making it easy as crap to install:

http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=threadid=259335

You don't have to sign up to read this.

-Allen
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Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote

2006-01-02 Thread Allen
On Monday 02 January 2006 10:52, fbsd_user wrote:
 here is another install guide more up to date

http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php

When I finish with getting Free BSD 6.0 I'll write another one the same way I 
did that one.

And another poster said I should have linked to the docs for help, but there 
was a reason that was left out.

See people use this OS for free and never pay for anything to help the 
developers out. So I instead of linking to free docs told them to BUY two 
books.
This helps them out in that they have a book to look at instead of docs. and 
the developers get at least a little extra cash for the project.

So far I've gotten fairly good feed back but some people didn't quite like it. 
That's fine, however I got a lot of mail from people who loved that tutorial 
and said they were thinking of trying a new OS and wanted BSD but the docs 
were to confusing for some reason or another so they weren't going to install 
it because it wouldn't work and after reading that, they got it.

Another poster said I should not have said Hit this or that arrow key however 
many times well, to be honest, I don't plan on making it say scroll in the 
next one I write. I did that once and people went for their mouses to 
scroll THAT is why I said hit arrow keys. It's only more confusing to 
people who can just read the Free BSD docs already out there, this was for 
people coming from Windows where scroll means something on the mouse.

My target audience for this wasn't people who already use it, it was for 
people who never have used anything but Windows. And yes I didn't add 
anything on configuration because I took most questions myself and then if I 
couldn't figure out their problems I pointed them to the docs. This worked 
for most of them and I'm happy with the tournout.

So thanks all for the comments, I'll take most of them into consideration for 
the next one except for the one about scrolling. Sorry man but that would 
confuse people worse than me saying to hit arrow keys a certain number of 
times.

Believe me, I have an aunt who thinks she's a hacker and good with computers 
but at the same time thinks the icon in her Windows 98 task bar that tells 
her she's online with her ISP,  is the reaosn her computer doesn't work.

Yea. Neat huh? ;) I tested this tutorial out with users who've never used 
anything but Windows and know nothing at all about computers, I think it did 
the job of getting people to at least try BSD out as I haven't heard of 
anyone following this and not getting the thing installed. 

Wait I take that back, two people couldn't install with it, however, that was 
from one having a USB keyboard that didn't work and another a USB mouse. So 
other than that, it's worked for everyone I've told to try it.

Can't be that bad of a tutorial, it was published 3 times heh. I've done 
similar tutorials where I tell exactly which key to press and when, for the 
following:

Slackware

SUSE

Dual booting Debian and windows XP

Dual booting Slackware and Free BSD

Dual booting SUSE and Windows XP

Lots more but I'm not going to waste space.

Anyway, this is longer than I intended so I'll stop here and wait for more 
comments. I'm not trying to make others sound stupid, my goal is making Unix 
easier for people who aren't good with computer in general. They need it most 
of all, Windows is WAY to confusing for a person new to computers, you have 
to use AV software for worms and so on, and adware scanners, it's to much for 
a user new to computing, I recommend Linux and BSD to people who don't know 
much.

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Free BSD install tutorial I wrote

2006-01-01 Thread Allen
I wrote this quite a while ago and I've posted it to the docs list before and 
it got a good repsonce, but I've seen a couple install questions on here so 
I'm going to link to it again for this list. I don't think there is an easier 
to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did do very well with 
it in making it easy as crap to install:

http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=threadid=259335

You don't have to sign up to read this.

-Allen
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Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote

2006-01-01 Thread Frank J. Laszlo

Allen wrote:

I wrote this quite a while ago and I've posted it to the docs list before and 
it got a good repsonce, but I've seen a couple install questions on here so 
I'm going to link to it again for this list. I don't think there is an easier 
to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did do very well with 
it in making it easy as crap to install:


http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=threadid=259335

You don't have to sign up to read this.

-Allen
 



I dont want this to sound like a flame, though it will probably come 
across that way. But there are many typographical errors in your howto 
and also many misconceptions that could cause newbies to be confused. I 
found myself getting confused and I've been using FreeBSD for years. 
Heres a few notable portions:


A) FreeBSD 5.0 is very old, and was never a production release, I 
noticed you wrote your howto in 2002, so I'll let that one slide.


B) Using words like Hit enter twice down up right etc.. will 
confuse people. you're better of saying something along the lines of. 
Scroll down to 'foo' etc.


C) You make a reference to X86, I assume you mean XFree86

Overall is gives a pretty basic description of the procedure, however 
you should reference the freebsd handbook 
(http://www.freebsd.org/handbook) for more information on certain sections.


Now, heres where its gets raunchy, I read further in the post, and you 
are making reference to security on freebsd. If you actually read the 
advisories, you will notice 9 times out of 10 they are applications on 
the base system, generally not exploitable remotely. Also, You have to 
remember that freebsd base and kernel are developed together, I'll find 
you'll be hard to find a freebsd 'kernel' exploit. Oh, just noticed, you 
said:


User B on the other hand is running Free BSD, and has no idea how to 
update it. SSH was installed and running by default, and the user 
doesn't know how to use upgrade_pkg.


What is upgrade_pkg? I think you mean portupgrade.

Overall, my rant is just the fact I dont think you are in a position to 
be judging security of an OS without knowing the OS. Its apparent that 
you do not. I'm not going to comment on the accuracy of your slackware 
experience, I think I read that you've been using it for 2 years? Good 
luck on your future writing, I hope that I didnt come across to strong 
on this post, But it is what it is.


Regards,
   Frank
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Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote

2006-01-01 Thread Daniel Gerzo
Hello Allen,

Sunday, January 1, 2006, 11:34:52 PM, you wrote:

 I wrote this quite a while ago and I've posted it to the docs list before and
 it got a good repsonce, but I've seen a couple install questions on here so
 I'm going to link to it again for this list. I don't think there is an easier
 to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did do very well with
 it in making it easy as crap to install:

I think handbook is here for this purpose (and people should be
following it, as it is being updated on regular occasion, though there
is possibility to find out-dated info and people are encouraged to
notify doc@ people to update information provided)

but no offense :)

 http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=threadid=259335

 You don't have to sign up to read this.

 -Allen

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Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote

2006-01-01 Thread Allen
On Sunday 01 January 2006 19:09, Frank J. Laszlo wrote:

 User B on the other hand is running Free BSD, and has no idea how to
 update it. SSH was installed and running by default, and the user
 doesn't know how to use upgrade_pkg.

See below, this wasn't a part of the tutorial.

 What is upgrade_pkg? I think you mean portupgrade.

 Overall, my rant is just the fact I dont think you are in a position to
 be judging security of an OS without knowing the OS. Its apparent that
 you do not. I'm not going to comment on the accuracy of your slackware
 experience, I think I read that you've been using it for 2 years? Good
 luck on your future writing, I hope that I didnt come across to strong
 on this post, But it is what it is.

Well the reply you are reffering to is a paper I started writing and haven't 
finished. The first post was the tutorial and a few people asked me to post 
the paper I had been writing, it appears on the same page but has nothing to 
do with the tutorial which is the very first post listed. As I said the other 
reply was a paper I was asked to post so it wasn't part of it in any way 
shape or form.

 Regards,
 Frank
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Tyan Tiger i7320 - Free BSD install faild

2005-04-04 Thread Cristi Tudose
Hi.
Please, I need a little help !!!
I have buy'd a PC with:

Tyan Tiger i7320 MB,
2*2,8 Xeon Processors 
High Point Rocket Raid 1640
4*250Gb WD Hdd's
1Gb Memory  
CD-RW - Asus CRW-5232AS

I want to install a FreeBSD 5.3.
The boot process is starting very well, but when he try to detect the devices 
connected to the two ata channel, I recive this error:

ata0-MASTER: FAILURE - ATAPI IDENTIFI ERROR Time out   (probably the cdrom)
ata2-MASTER: FAILURE - ATA IDENTIFI ERROR Time out
ata3-MASTER: FAILURE - ATA IDENTIFI ERROR Time out
ata4-MASTER: FAILURE - ATA IDENTIFI ERROR Time out
ata5-MASTER: FAILURE - ATA IDENTIFI ERROR Time out
ata6-MASTER: FAILURE - ATA IDENTIFI ERROR Time out

I so a standard install, 
I set up the partitions,
in the select media, chose CD-ROM/DVD
but the sysintsall tell me there is no cd/dvd-rom

i have made a bios update.
But this don't resolve my prolem :(

I have try to remove the HPT Rocket Raid 1640, and than to install the FreeBSD, 
but the error don't dispare.

ata0-MASTER: FAILURE - ATAPI IDENTIFI ERROR Time out 

I have tryed to install the FreeBSD 5.3 with other 4 cd-roms. But with no 
success.

Is a bug in FreeBSD ? Or is a Hardware error ?
The Windows 2000 and XP work fine. I have installed both for test.

Please help me !!! Any sugestion is helpfull.

With Friendship
   Cristian Tudose

P.S. Excuse  my english knowlege
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BSD Install

2004-03-16 Thread Barron Williams
Trying to install from cdrom on IBM server and always receive can't
load kernel message.  I have downloaded several times with no luck.
Please help.

 

Barron Williams

Help Desk Supervisor 

310.665.6915  tel

310.665.6919  fax

Otis College of Art and Design http://www.otis.edu/ 

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Re: BSD Install

2004-03-16 Thread Jorn Argelo

On 3/16/2004, Barron Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Trying to install from cdrom on IBM server and always receive can't
load kernel message.  I have downloaded several times with no luck.
Please help.

 

Barron Williams

Help Desk Supervisor 

310.665.6915  tel

310.665.6919  fax

Otis College of Art and Design http://www.otis.edu/ 

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Re: BSD Install

2004-03-16 Thread Ion-Mihai Tetcu
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:22:08 -0800
Barron Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Trying to install from cdrom on IBM server and always receive can't
 load kernel message.  I have downloaded several times with no luck.
 Please help.

Please provide more info.

Please read http://www.lemis.com/questions.html to help us help you.

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BSD Install; San Jose, CA

2003-07-31 Thread Josh Fox
22:44 GMT 7/31/03
Ladies and Gentlemen:
I am a newer BSD user and a fairly seasoned Solaris user; I am having a
FreeBSD install problem.  Is there anyone in the San Jose, CA area that
can get with me Tuesday 8/5/03 in the lobby of the San Jose Wyndham to
help tackle my install problem.  I have a Panasonic CF-25 Toughbook,
and can get into the Sysinstall of 5.0, but I can only run 1 of 2 input
medias at a time: either floppy (3.5) or CD.  I cannot swap the floppy
once Sysinstall loads and therefore cannot load from the CD.  Can
someone or a group of people help me install this via Laplink or some
other option.  I have the install CD's needed for ver. 4.7 and 5.0

Please respond by e-mail.
Sincerely:
Josh Fox
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Re: BSD Install; San Jose, CA

2003-07-31 Thread Warren Block
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Josh Fox wrote:

 22:44 GMT 7/31/03
 Ladies and Gentlemen:
 I am a newer BSD user and a fairly seasoned Solaris user; I am having a
 FreeBSD install problem.  Is there anyone in the San Jose, CA area that
 can get with me Tuesday 8/5/03 in the lobby of the San Jose Wyndham to
 help tackle my install problem.  I have a Panasonic CF-25 Toughbook,
 and can get into the Sysinstall of 5.0, but I can only run 1 of 2 input
 medias at a time: either floppy (3.5) or CD.  I cannot swap the floppy
 once Sysinstall loads and therefore cannot load from the CD.

Won't the notebook boot off the CD?  (I'd suggest using 5.1 at this
point, or 4.8 for something more polished.)

-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
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