Re: Epson Stylus C84 printer setup
Hello Ted Many thanks for your response. Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Have you heard of the KISS principle? no :-( CUPS is unnecessary. unnecessary software complicates the machine and makes it harder to troubleshoot. I don't personally care much for this. I understand now. I agree with you. When I was in Linux, I first used apsfilter and lprng. Then, I read somewhere that CUPS was the new thing and lpr was an obsolete thing and I switched. I accept that cups is very easy to configure, but you are right, I have lost the control of the machine. Also, too many people out there have got the idea that CUPS is somehow required to make their printer work. Not good. This leads to less understanding of how things work. I completely agree with you. The problem is when a user has no idea how to configure a printer and has to choose among making some clics on a WEB interface or reading several manual pages without understanding a word. This is a personal taste thing. Some people like to buy cars that have a factory cd player/dvd player/drink cooler/hand washer/ power windows/power door locks/factory alarm/antitheft key/remote starter/extra fog lights/spoilers that do nothing at any legal speed/ gps systems/onstar systems/etc. etc. etc. Others like to buy cars with a minimal set of things that go a lot faster because they aren't loaded down with all the extra unnecessary baloney, and don't cost as much to repair because all the extra crap isn't breaking down all the time. I agree again, I personally prefer keeping thisng as simple as I can. But in this case I have succumbed with the easy thing. It is the same with computers. I know of people who have Windows boxes that are so highly configured it takes them literally weeks to put backgrounds/sounds/games/doodads/etc.etc. on every little thing of their PC. To me it is sad to see this same attitude encroaching on FreeBSD. Thanks dear Ted, your post has made me think twice. I am going to study the manual and try to configure the printer as you explained. I seems to be easy and SIMPLE. Thank you. Ramiro. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Epson Stylus C84 printer setup
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:10:46 -0800 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, A bit OT but wanted to throw my $0.02 anyway... CUPS is unnecessary. unnecessary software complicates the machine and makes it harder to troubleshoot. I don't personally care much for this. I don't understand where all this animosity against CUPS comes from, but it's not the first time I've seen people flaming against it. If you don't like it, don't use it. CUPS is very easy to troubleshoot, perhaps you didn't bother reading the man pages. Enable debugging log mode and read the logs, all the info is there. Setting up my USB laserprinter takes 10 seconds with CUPS. Drop the ppd file, point the browser at localhost:631 and configure the printer. Done. The computer is a tool to get the job done, and most people have better things to do than spend more time than needed setting up their printer. It's also worth mentioning that Samba 3.x and CUPS integreate seamlessly. Also, too many people out there have got the idea that CUPS is somehow required to make their printer work. Not good. This leads to less understanding of how things work. That's not true. Don't assume that someone who uses CUPS doesn't know what's going on. It is the same with computers. I know of people who have Windows boxes that are so highly configured it takes them literally weeks to put backgrounds/sounds/games/doodads/etc.etc. on every little thing of their PC. To me it is sad to see this same attitude encroaching on FreeBSD. Flawed analogy :-) And, for the nth time, please, don't top post. Cheers, -- Miguel Mendez [EMAIL PROTECTED] | lea gfx_lib(pc),a1 http://www.energyhq.es.eu.org| moveq #0,d0 PGP Key: 0xDC8514F1 | move.l 4.w,a6 I reject all mail from hosts that use SORBS | jsr -552(a6) pgpKPrwrwUMOq.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Epson Stylus C84 printer setup
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ramiro Aceves Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:06 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: S Salamander; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Epson Stylus C84 printer setup Hello Ted Many thanks for your response. Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Have you heard of the KISS principle? no :-( KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid CUPS is unnecessary. unnecessary software complicates the machine and makes it harder to troubleshoot. I don't personally care much for this. I understand now. I agree with you. When I was in Linux, I first used apsfilter and lprng. Then, I read somewhere that CUPS was the new thing and lpr was an obsolete thing and I switched. I accept that cups is very easy to configure, but you are right, I have lost the control of the machine. Also, too many people out there have got the idea that CUPS is somehow required to make their printer work. Not good. This leads to less understanding of how things work. I completely agree with you. The problem is when a user has no idea how to configure a printer and has to choose among making some clics on a WEB interface or reading several manual pages without understanding a word. No, the problem is when a user blindly installs a web interface that they don't understand in order to make some clicks and the web interface doesen't work. I don't knock web interfaces per-se I use them a lot at work for many systems. But no admin that works under me only knows how to configure these systems only by the web interface - well, perhaps that isn't totally true as I'm the only one that knows anything under the surface of the accounting system, but that's not a system that customers deal with. But for all the systems that count, the web interface isn't loaded on and made accessible until the admin knows how the stuff underneath the webinterface works. Of course, this is only true for UNIX, the Windows systems are effectively black boxes. An OS is unrepairable under the surface when the #1 way to fix it is to reinstall it. This is a personal taste thing. Some people like to buy cars that have a factory cd player/dvd player/drink cooler/hand washer/ power windows/power door locks/factory alarm/antitheft key/remote starter/extra fog lights/spoilers that do nothing at any legal speed/ gps systems/onstar systems/etc. etc. etc. Others like to buy cars with a minimal set of things that go a lot faster because they aren't loaded down with all the extra unnecessary baloney, and don't cost as much to repair because all the extra crap isn't breaking down all the time. I agree again, I personally prefer keeping thisng as simple as I can. But in this case I have succumbed with the easy thing. It is the same with computers. I know of people who have Windows boxes that are so highly configured it takes them literally weeks to put backgrounds/sounds/games/doodads/etc.etc. on every little thing of their PC. To me it is sad to see this same attitude encroaching on FreeBSD. Thanks dear Ted, your post has made me think twice. I am going to study the manual and try to configure the printer as you explained. I seems to be easy and SIMPLE. Well there's another phrase you should know that I'm a strong proponent of: If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Since your installation is working - it ain't broke. I wouldn't touch it unless the primary motivation is educational and you don't care if it breaks. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Epson Stylus C84 printer setup
-Original Message- From: Miguel Mendez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:21 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Epson Stylus C84 printer setup On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:10:46 -0800 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand where all this animosity against CUPS comes from, but it's not the first time I've seen people flaming against it. If you don't like it, don't use it. CUPS is very easy to troubleshoot, perhaps you didn't bother reading the man pages. Enable debugging log mode and read the logs, all the info is there. Since the entire point of CUPS is to automate printer setup, if you have to enable debugging and read the man pages you have defeated the point of the program. You also take longer than 10 seconds which pretty much means you just self-invalidated your example here. Setting up my USB laserprinter takes 10 seconds with CUPS. That is only because the version of CUPS that you use knows about your model of laser printer. Drop the ppd file, And that is only because someone wrote a PPD file for your model printer and that it is actually correct. point the browser at localhost:631 and configure the printer. Hmm - one more TCP daemon listening at a port that could be busted into. Done. The computer is a tool to get the job done, and most people have better things to do than spend more time than needed setting up their printer. It's also worth mentioning that Samba 3.x and CUPS integreate seamlessly. And for people that really don't want to spend time setting up their printer, they are best off purchasing a printer that is well supported by all these make-it-easy programs. But, this limits the choice of printers somewhat. When I bought my Epson C84 it was not completely supported. I bought it anyway because it was one of the few models that had separate ink resivors and that had support under UNIX. If I did what you did I would have followed the typical sketchy advice off the lists and been stuck with not all features working, and no way to be able to query the printer for ink levels. But if you did what I did you would have complete support because you spent the extra time to get the bits together to make it work. This took me a longer time than you yes. But, I get to laugh when people who have those money-sucking HP color inkjet printers have to go throw away an all-in-one ink cartridge because Cyan ran out and they still have a half-resivour of black ink left - then run out and buy another $60 all-in-one cartridge. Also, too many people out there have got the idea that CUPS is somehow required to make their printer work. Not good. This leads to less understanding of how things work. That's not true. Don't assume that someone who uses CUPS doesn't know what's going on. Don't put words into my mouth. It is the same with computers. I know of people who have Windows boxes that are so highly configured it takes them literally weeks to put backgrounds/sounds/games/doodads/etc.etc. on every little thing of their PC. To me it is sad to see this same attitude encroaching on FreeBSD. Flawed analogy :-) Well, if you honestly believe that then that's an indication that we aren't completely lost yet, saints be praised. I won't spoil your faith, then. And, for the nth time, please, don't top post. I generally top post when the answer is a complete answer, meaning the question is embedded in the answer. I generally don't top post when I'm just responding with a one-liner. If you review my postings you will see not all are top posted. The primary reason for doing it this way is to defeat the sorts of people who have got into the bad habit of reading a short way into a long post then jumping to a response, usually with a bunch of invalid assumptions, made, of course, because they didn't bother to read all the way to the end of the post where they would have seen that their initial assumptions were wrong. :-) The secondary reason is that it's easier for the reader to not have to read the question twice. (once in the reply, once within my answer) Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Epson Stylus C84 printer setup
At Wed, 5 Jan 2005 it looks like Miguel Mendez composed: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:10:46 -0800 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, A bit OT but wanted to throw my $0.02 anyway... CUPS is unnecessary. unnecessary software complicates the machine and makes it harder to troubleshoot. I don't personally care much for this. I don't understand where all this animosity against CUPS comes from, but it's not the first time I've seen people flaming against it. If you don't like it, don't use it. CUPS is very easy to troubleshoot, perhaps you didn't bother reading the man pages. Enable debugging log mode and read the logs, all the info is there. Setting up my USB laserprinter takes 10 seconds with CUPS. Drop the ppd file, point the browser at localhost:631 and configure the printer. Done. The computer is a tool to get the job done, and most people have better things to do than spend more time than needed setting up their printer. It's also worth mentioning that Samba 3.x and CUPS integreate seamlessly. I must chime in here. I was bragging about how, on the first try, I got CUPS to print with Solaris-8 (x86) from my Netscape browser. I don't want to start a flame war but anyone who's tried to get ink jet printers to work _first_try_ on Solaris(x86) will probably be nodding their heads in agreement. NOW, I also totally concur with KIS[s] and the reasons for not getting too heavy into overhead. Hell, I still prefer PINE as my MUA just because it was the first one I ever used on Unix. Namaste -- |--Word-Wrap-At-72-Please--| Bill Schoolcraft PO Box 210076 -o) San Francisco CA 94121 /\ UNIX, A Way Of Life._\_v http://billschoolcraft.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Epson Stylus C84 printer setup
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Why in heavens name are you bothering with CUPS? Hello Ted and people there. I have working my Epson C84 in FreeBSD 5.3 perfectly with CUPS and gimp -print. Just curious. ¿What is the matter with CUPS?. I do not understand well what GPL-crutch means. I seems that you hate CUPS. My english is not good. Please explain it to me. Thanks. Ramiro. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Epson Stylus C84 printer setup
Have you heard of the KISS principle? CUPS is unnecessary. unnecessary software complicates the machine and makes it harder to troubleshoot. I don't personally care much for this. Also, too many people out there have got the idea that CUPS is somehow required to make their printer work. Not good. This leads to less understanding of how things work. This is a personal taste thing. Some people like to buy cars that have a factory cd player/dvd player/drink cooler/hand washer/ power windows/power door locks/factory alarm/antitheft key/remote starter/extra fog lights/spoilers that do nothing at any legal speed/ gps systems/onstar systems/etc. etc. etc. Others like to buy cars with a minimal set of things that go a lot faster because they aren't loaded down with all the extra unnecessary baloney, and don't cost as much to repair because all the extra crap isn't breaking down all the time. It is the same with computers. I know of people who have Windows boxes that are so highly configured it takes them literally weeks to put backgrounds/sounds/games/doodads/etc.etc. on every little thing of their PC. To me it is sad to see this same attitude encroaching on FreeBSD. Ted -Original Message- From: Ramiro Aceves [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 1:50 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: S Salamander; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Epson Stylus C84 printer setup Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Why in heavens name are you bothering with CUPS? Hello Ted and people there. I have working my Epson C84 in FreeBSD 5.3 perfectly with CUPS and gimp -print. Just curious. ¿What is the matter with CUPS?. I do not understand well what GPL-crutch means. I seems that you hate CUPS. My english is not good. Please explain it to me. Thanks. Ramiro. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Epson Stylus C84 printer setup
I'm trying to get my Epson Stylus C84 printer setup with CUPS and gimp-print (both of which are installed). The cups daemon is running and I can access localhost:631 for the administrative setup. However, don't see the option to use the CUPS/gimp-print driver. There is no PPD file as I can see from linuxprinting.org. Can someone help me with the setup here? Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Epson Stylus C84 printer setup
It appears that you should use the C82 driver. From: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-Stylus_C84 Parallel and USB ports. With Gimp-Print 4.2.2 or newer it will work (except full-bleed) when choosing the Epson Stylus C82 as printer model, with older Gimp-Print versions when choosing the C80 as printer model. On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:22:43 -0500, S Salamander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to get my Epson Stylus C84 printer setup with CUPS and gimp-print (both of which are installed). The cups daemon is running and I can access localhost:631 for the administrative setup. However, don't see the option to use the CUPS/gimp-print driver. There is no PPD file as I can see from linuxprinting.org. Can someone help me with the setup here? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Epson Stylus C84 printer setup
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:13:43 -0700, Jon Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that you should use the C82 driver. From: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-Stylus_C84 Parallel and USB ports. With Gimp-Print 4.2.2 or newer it will work (except full-bleed) when choosing the Epson Stylus C82 as printer model, with older Gimp-Print versions when choosing the C80 as printer model. Yes, but I don't see the option to use the C82 driver. When I get to the step for chosing the make I choose EPSON, but the next step only shows about 6 choices (generic Epson Stylus Color and Epson Stylus Photo) without models to choose as I have done previously in Linux. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Epson Stylus C84 printer setup
Why in heavens name are you bothering with CUPS? And furthermore in FreeBSD 4.10 gimp-print version 4.2.6 is in the ports and that DOES have support for the C84, the advice to use C82 is just plain wrong. That's what you get for depending on some GPL-crutch like CUPS. Here's what you do: cd /usr/ports/print/gimp-print make WITHOUT_CUPS=yes (and to get working C84 ink levels, go here: http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/patches/2004-May/001151.html apply that patch, then do a make WITHOUT_CUPS=yes install cd /usr/ports/print/ghostscript-gnu make install MAKE SURE NOT TO DESELECT ijs DRIVER Then define the print queues, such as cat /etc/printcap lp-epson|Epson C84 Color printer:\ :sh:\ :lp=/dev/lpt0:sd=/var/spool/output/lp-epson:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:mx=0:\ :of=/usr/local/bin/epsonfilter:rw: lp-epson-raw|Epson C84 Color Printer - raw for Windows systems:\ :sh:\ :lp=/dev/lpt0:sd=/var/spool/output/lp-epson-raw:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\ :mx#0:rw: And build the command filters, as many as you want for whatever resolutions you want to support: cat /usr/local/bin/epsonfilter #!/bin/sh # # Script that runs gimp-print for the Epson # /usr/local/bin/gs -q -sDEVICE=ijs -sIjsServer=/usr/local/bin/ijsgimpprint -s DeviceManufacturer=EPSON -sDeviceModel=escp2-c84 -sIjsParams=Quality=720x36 0sw,InkType=CMYK,MediaType=Plain -dIjsUseOutputFD -dNOPAUSE -dNOBATCH -dSAFE R -sOutputFile=- - Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of S Salamander Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:23 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Epson Stylus C84 printer setup I'm trying to get my Epson Stylus C84 printer setup with CUPS and gimp-print (both of which are installed). The cups daemon is running and I can access localhost:631 for the administrative setup. However, don't see the option to use the CUPS/gimp-print driver. There is no PPD file as I can see from linuxprinting.org. Can someone help me with the setup here? Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
