Re: Latest stable fixes are unstable

2003-10-10 Thread Todd Stephens
On Thursday 09 October 2003 03:36 pm, Jeffrey Wheat wrote:

  After applying the last set of patches via a cvs
  run of RELENG_4, I have servers crashing and rebooting
  that had run for months on end prior to the fixes.

A good way to avoid the possibility of that and still get all the 
security patches is to update to RELENG_4_8.

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Latest stable fixes are unstable

2003-10-09 Thread Jeffrey Wheat
After applying the last set of patches via a cvs
run of RELENG_4, I have servers crashing and rebooting
that had run for months on end prior to the fixes.

This is happening on 4.8-STABLE (now called 4.9-RC)
and on 5.0-STABLE servers. I am really concerned about
about this as are my higher ups. I have been running
FreeBSD on my servers for the past 8 years and I am
very familiar with how to build kernels, update source
trees, etc. Reverting back to the sources prior to
the recent kernel changes, makes things stable again.

Can anyone shed light on this or speak up if you are
having the same problems?

Thanks in advance,
Jeff

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Re: Latest stable fixes are unstable

2003-10-09 Thread Mike Tancsa
Hi,
First off, there is no 5.0 STABLE. If you cvsup'd to 5.x this is 
the source of your problems as that is the development branch.

To better understand what problems you are having, you need to give 
information like a crash dump.

Compile a debug kernel for the machine that is crashing
See
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html
enable the saving of your core dump on your swap partition. e.g. if you 
have it on a 3ware card add
dumpdev=/dev/twed0b # Device name to crashdump to (or NO).
dumpdir=/var/crash# Directory where crash dumps are to be stored
to /etc/rc.conf
and reboot or type /sbin/dumpon /dev/twed0b

or if you have an ide drive and the swap is on ad0s1b, then
/sbin/dumpon /dev/ad0s1b
when your machine crashes / panics,

type
gdb -k kernel.debug /var/crash/vmcore.0
and type bt

send the results to the stable list, which if you track stable you should 
be following.

---Mike

At 03:36 PM 09/10/2003, Jeffrey Wheat wrote:
After applying the last set of patches via a cvs
run of RELENG_4, I have servers crashing and rebooting
that had run for months on end prior to the fixes.
This is happening on 4.8-STABLE (now called 4.9-RC)
and on 5.0-STABLE servers. I am really concerned about
about this as are my higher ups. I have been running
FreeBSD on my servers for the past 8 years and I am
very familiar with how to build kernels, update source
trees, etc. Reverting back to the sources prior to
the recent kernel changes, makes things stable again.
Can anyone shed light on this or speak up if you are
having the same problems?
Thanks in advance,
Jeff
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Re: Latest stable fixes are unstable

2003-10-09 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 03:36:55PM -0400, Jeffrey Wheat wrote:
 After applying the last set of patches via a cvs
 run of RELENG_4, I have servers crashing and rebooting
 that had run for months on end prior to the fixes.
 
 This is happening on 4.8-STABLE (now called 4.9-RC)
 and on 5.0-STABLE servers. I am really concerned about
 about this as are my higher ups. I have been running
 FreeBSD on my servers for the past 8 years and I am
 very familiar with how to build kernels, update source
 trees, etc. Reverting back to the sources prior to
 the recent kernel changes, makes things stable again.
 
 Can anyone shed light on this or speak up if you are
 having the same problems?

Please, don't tell us a single detail about the problems so we can
keep neglecting to fix them.  Thanks.

:-)

Kris


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RE: Latest stable fixes are unstable

2003-10-09 Thread Jeffrey Wheat
Kris,

Apologies for being so vague... All that happens
on the 4.8(4.9RC) servers is they suddenly reboot without
leaving anything in the log files at all, so it is very
difficult to provide more details on the crash. On the
5.0 servers, I get page faults. I am going to enable
crash dumps on these servers now.

Jeff

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 On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 03:36:55PM -0400, Jeffrey Wheat wrote:
  After applying the last set of patches via a cvs
  run of RELENG_4, I have servers crashing and rebooting
  that had run for months on end prior to the fixes.
  
  This is happening on 4.8-STABLE (now called 4.9-RC)
  and on 5.0-STABLE servers. I am really concerned about
  about this as are my higher ups. I have been running
  FreeBSD on my servers for the past 8 years and I am
  very familiar with how to build kernels, update source
  trees, etc. Reverting back to the sources prior to
  the recent kernel changes, makes things stable again.
  
  Can anyone shed light on this or speak up if you are
  having the same problems?
 
 Please, don't tell us a single detail about the problems so 
 we can keep neglecting to fix them.  Thanks.
 
 :-)
 
 Kris
 
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RE: Latest stable fixes are unstable

2003-10-09 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 4:14 PM -0400 10/9/03, Jeffrey Wheat wrote:
Apologies for being so vague... All that happens
on the 4.8(4.9RC) servers is they suddenly reboot without
leaving anything in the log files at all, so it is very
difficult to provide more details on the crash.
In the case of the 4.9 systems, are you VERY up-to-date?
There were a few changes recently made which did cause
problems for some users, but it should be true that all
of those are now fixed.  You'd pretty much want to be
running *today's* sources to get all those.  I think it
should be telling you that the system name is 4.9-RC2 if
it has (what we think are) all the fixes.  (I might be
wrong on that, I haven't actually rebuilt my 4.x machine
yet this week).
On the 5.0 servers, I get page faults. I am going to
enable crash dumps on these servers now.
I'm having some odd problems with 5.x-current right now, but
I haven't been able to figure out what it is yet.  In my case,
it *might* still be a hardware problem, though it seems odd
that I have zero trouble with 4.9 on the same hardware (and
my problems with 5.x didn't start until this September).
For me, the problem with the 5.x is that the machine completely
locks up, which makes it a real hassle.
It is also true that a week (or two?) ago there were changes to
5.x which caused problems for many people.  Again, make sure
you're up-to-the-minute with what you're running.
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