Re: Ports Packages [Stable] in sync

2013-02-19 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Jeff Tipton jef...@mail.com writes:

 Thank you, Damien, for the reply. AFAIK, STABLE gets updated every 2
 weeks but not every day, and it seems to be that because of the
 intrusion, it has not been updated for long. The versions of the ports
 that come with the 9.1-RELEASE are even slightly newer than those of
 9-STABLE packages. I think if I don't get the revision number from
 which the 9-STABLE was updated last time I'll use the ports tree that
 comes with 9.1-RELEASE. I hope it won't cause much version
 incompatibilities.

Um, not really. Or at least, not specific enough to be sure whether it
is correct or not.

The ports tree is not branched, and is intended to work with all
supported branches and releases. In other words, regardless of whether
you're running 9.1-RELEASE, 9-STABLE (in svn/cvs terms, RELENG_9), or
10.x (HEAD), you can (and, unless you have specific reasons otherwise,
usually corporate security dictates) should use a ports tree checked out
from HEAD.

This is unrelated to whether packages are available for the ports on a
particular branch or tag. Package availability is unusually limited at
the moment, but that's because the build cluster has very limited
capacity right now for a variety of reasons. That situation will improve
over time, but until computers are infinitely fast, the package
collection will lag somewhat behind the ports tree. 

Packages need to be built for a particular base system (or close
enough: generally all base-system versions in the same major-number
release can run the packages for any other within that same series, most
notably the -STABLE version).

Additionally, -STABLE base system is updated by definition every time
a developer checks into the relevant branch (currently RELENG_9). For
ports, as I said earlier, there is no equivalent; updates go to HEAD,
period. When packages get built for a particular base system is a matter
of policy on the build cluster. I don't use downloaded packages for
ports updates, but I would expect that to evolve as the new build
cluster does.
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Re: Ports Packages [Stable] in sync

2013-02-19 Thread Fleuriot Damien

On Feb 17, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Jeff Tipton jef...@mail.com wrote:

 On 02/17/2013 13:13, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
 On 16 Feb 2013, at 16:56, Jeff Tipton jef...@mail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I upgraded 9.0 - 9.1 on my netbook and only then found out that there are 
 no packages for 9.1-RELEASE. On my desktops, I keep ports and packages at 
 the RELEASE versions, so I only have to compile when I need non-default 
 options or when there are no packages. Would it be possible to get the 
 ports snapshot that was used to compile the 9-STABLE packages? I think I 
 could use subversion but then I need to know the revision number of that 
 snapshot. What do you suggest?
 
 Thanks,
 Jeff
 
 Hi Jeff,
 
 I think you might be confused here.
 
 It is my understanding that there are ports for:
 - HEAD
 - x.y-RELEASE
 
 I don't think you're going to be able to get a snapshot from 9-STABLE, 
 because -STABLE is a continuing work.
 
 What version do you consider to be 9-STABLE ?
 Every time there's a new commit you get a new 9-STABLE.
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 Thank you, Damien, for the reply. AFAIK, STABLE gets updated every 2 weeks 
 but not every day, and it seems to be that because of the intrusion, it has 
 not been updated for long. The versions of the ports that come with the 
 9.1-RELEASE are even slightly newer than those of 9-STABLE packages. I think 
 if I don't get the revision number from which the 9-STABLE was updated last 
 time I'll use the ports tree that comes with 9.1-RELEASE. I hope it won't 
 cause much version incompatibilities.


I'm not sure where you're getting your 9-STABLE ports from, Jeff.

In the SVN repository I only see release tags and HEAD:
http://svn.freebsd.org/ports/

I also second Gilbert's advice about using HEAD for your ports tree, we do this 
here in production with over 50 boxes and have had no problems so far.


If you still want to use the branch from 9.1-RELEASE, it's here:
svn://svn.freebsd.org/ports/tags/RELEASE_9_1_0/

Note that, unless I'm wrong, you will not be getting *ANY* update to the ports 
tree then, it's frozen.
This means no security updates and all, AFAICT.

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Re: Ports Packages [Stable] in sync

2013-02-17 Thread Damien Fleuriot

On 16 Feb 2013, at 16:56, Jeff Tipton jef...@mail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I upgraded 9.0 - 9.1 on my netbook and only then found out that there are no 
 packages for 9.1-RELEASE. On my desktops, I keep ports and packages at the 
 RELEASE versions, so I only have to compile when I need non-default options 
 or when there are no packages. Would it be possible to get the ports snapshot 
 that was used to compile the 9-STABLE packages? I think I could use 
 subversion but then I need to know the revision number of that snapshot. What 
 do you suggest?
 
 Thanks,
 Jeff
 

Hi Jeff,

I think you might be confused here.

It is my understanding that there are ports for:
- HEAD
- x.y-RELEASE

I don't think you're going to be able to get a snapshot from 9-STABLE, because 
-STABLE is a continuing work.

What version do you consider to be 9-STABLE ?
Every time there's a new commit you get a new 9-STABLE.
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Re: Ports Packages [Stable] in sync

2013-02-17 Thread Jeff Tipton

On 02/17/2013 13:13, Damien Fleuriot wrote:

On 16 Feb 2013, at 16:56, Jeff Tipton jef...@mail.com wrote:


Hi,

I upgraded 9.0 - 9.1 on my netbook and only then found out that there are no 
packages for 9.1-RELEASE. On my desktops, I keep ports and packages at the RELEASE 
versions, so I only have to compile when I need non-default options or when there 
are no packages. Would it be possible to get the ports snapshot that was used to 
compile the 9-STABLE packages? I think I could use subversion but then I need to 
know the revision number of that snapshot. What do you suggest?

Thanks,
Jeff


Hi Jeff,

I think you might be confused here.

It is my understanding that there are ports for:
- HEAD
- x.y-RELEASE

I don't think you're going to be able to get a snapshot from 9-STABLE, because 
-STABLE is a continuing work.

What version do you consider to be 9-STABLE ?
Every time there's a new commit you get a new 9-STABLE.
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Thank you, Damien, for the reply. AFAIK, STABLE gets updated every 2 
weeks but not every day, and it seems to be that because of the 
intrusion, it has not been updated for long. The versions of the ports 
that come with the 9.1-RELEASE are even slightly newer than those of 
9-STABLE packages. I think if I don't get the revision number from which 
the 9-STABLE was updated last time I'll use the ports tree that comes 
with 9.1-RELEASE. I hope it won't cause much version incompatibilities.

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Ports Packages [Stable] in sync

2013-02-16 Thread Jeff Tipton

Hi,

I upgraded 9.0 - 9.1 on my netbook and only then found out that there 
are no packages for 9.1-RELEASE. On my desktops, I keep ports and 
packages at the RELEASE versions, so I only have to compile when I need 
non-default options or when there are no packages. Would it be possible 
to get the ports snapshot that was used to compile the 9-STABLE 
packages? I think I could use subversion but then I need to know the 
revision number of that snapshot. What do you suggest?


Thanks,
Jeff
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