Re: SV: Re: Possibly OT: NFS vs SMB performance

2013-07-08 Thread Andrea Venturoli

On 07/06/13 19:51, Leslie Jensen wrote:

Smb is slow by design compared to nfs.


Sure.
As I said, I was expecting lower performance; not *this* lower, however.

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Re: Possibly OT: NFS vs SMB performance

2013-07-08 Thread Andrea Venturoli

On 07/07/13 00:52, Adam Vande More wrote:


http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2013-January/038903.html


Thanks Adam.

However: I'm using UFS, not ZFS, so the first part is not applicable.

I have an nfe card, not an em; so again, the second part does not apply.
The only tunable in that driver is hw.nfe.msi_disable and 
hw.nfe.msix_disable, which I never tried; I guess I could when I have 
physical access to the box, but again, they are enabled by default and I 
doubt I would get better performance by disabling MSI[-X].
In addition, I don't think I suffer from a NIC bottleneck, given the 
speed of NFS and a find shouldn't read the whole files, so shouldn't 
require a lot of bandwidth.


The third section is interesting: still no change, however.
This does not suprise me, since I had extensively tried these (and other 
settings from several Samba howtos) with different values in the past, 
the difference being always quite negligible.


The last thing I'm considering is slowness due to the LDAP backend. This 
is what I'm currently investigating.
All the literature on Samba seems to be quite Linux-centric; that's why 
I asked on the FreeBSD mailing list whether this could be normal.



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Re: Possibly OT: NFS vs SMB performance

2013-07-06 Thread Andrea Venturoli

On 07/05/13 20:42, Terje Elde wrote:

On 5. juli 2013, at 18:18, Andrea Venturoli m...@netfence.it wrote:


Is this normal in your experience?


Did you do them in that order, or did you do the smb (slow) one first?

If the slow was first, I'm thinking caching on the server could be a major 
factor.


Yesterday I did four test:
_ SMB find resulting in over 10 minutes first time;
_ SMB find resulting in nearly 10 minutes second time;
_ NFS find resulting in a little over 1 minute first time;
_ NFS find resulting in a little less than 1 minute second time.


Today I tried again in reverse order:
_ NFS find took 3 minutes;
_ NFS find again took 21 seconds;
_ SMB find took over 9 minutes;
_ SMB find again took again over 9 minutes.

So, while caching plays a role, it just isn't it.
The server was possibly doing other things, so the above figures might 
not be that correct; however a difference in the magnitude order is just 
too big (and deterministic) to be considered random noise.


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SV: Re: Possibly OT: NFS vs SMB performance

2013-07-06 Thread Leslie Jensen
Smb is slow by design compared to nfs. 
/Leslie


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Rubrik: Re: Possibly OT: NFS vs SMB performance 
 
On 07/05/13 20:42, Terje Elde wrote:
 On 5. juli 2013, at 18:18, Andrea Venturoli m...@netfence.it wrote:

 Is this normal in your experience?

 Did you do them in that order, or did you do the smb (slow) one first?

 If the slow was first, I'm thinking caching on the server could be a major 
 factor.

Yesterday I did four test:
_ SMB find resulting in over 10 minutes first time;
_ SMB find resulting in nearly 10 minutes second time;
_ NFS find resulting in a little over 1 minute first time;
_ NFS find resulting in a little less than 1 minute second time.


Today I tried again in reverse order:
_ NFS find took 3 minutes;
_ NFS find again took 21 seconds;
_ SMB find took over 9 minutes;
_ SMB find again took again over 9 minutes.

So, while caching plays a role, it just isn't it.
The server was possibly doing other things, so the above figures might 
not be that correct; however a difference in the magnitude order is just 
too big (and deterministic) to be considered random noise.

  bye  Thanks
av.
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Re: Possibly OT: NFS vs SMB performance

2013-07-06 Thread Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez
On Saturday 06 July 2013 01:55:31 Andrea Venturoli wrote:
 On 07/05/13 20:42, Terje Elde wrote:
  On 5. juli 2013, at 18:18, Andrea Venturoli m...@netfence.it wrote:
  Is this normal in your experience?
 
  Did you do them in that order, or did you do the smb (slow) one first?
 
  If the slow was first, I'm thinking caching on the server could be a
  major factor.

 Yesterday I did four test:
 _ SMB find resulting in over 10 minutes first time;
 _ SMB find resulting in nearly 10 minutes second time;
 _ NFS find resulting in a little over 1 minute first time;
 _ NFS find resulting in a little less than 1 minute second time.


 Today I tried again in reverse order:
 _ NFS find took 3 minutes;
 _ NFS find again took 21 seconds;
 _ SMB find took over 9 minutes;
 _ SMB find again took again over 9 minutes.

 So, while caching plays a role, it just isn't it.
 The server was possibly doing other things, so the above figures might
 not be that correct; however a difference in the magnitude order is just
 too big (and deterministic) to be considered random noise.


the problem may be high log level for Samba

You should read this

http://www.hob-techtalk.com/2009/03/09/nfs-vs-cifs-aka-smb
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Re: Possibly OT: NFS vs SMB performance

2013-07-06 Thread Damien Fleuriot

On 6 Jul 2013, at 21:34, Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez 
mapsw...@prodigy.net.mx wrote:

 On Saturday 06 July 2013 01:55:31 Andrea Venturoli wrote:
 On 07/05/13 20:42, Terje Elde wrote:
 On 5. juli 2013, at 18:18, Andrea Venturoli m...@netfence.it wrote:
 Is this normal in your experience?
 
 Did you do them in that order, or did you do the smb (slow) one first?
 
 If the slow was first, I'm thinking caching on the server could be a
 major factor.
 
 Yesterday I did four test:
 _ SMB find resulting in over 10 minutes first time;
 _ SMB find resulting in nearly 10 minutes second time;
 _ NFS find resulting in a little over 1 minute first time;
 _ NFS find resulting in a little less than 1 minute second time.
 
 
 Today I tried again in reverse order:
 _ NFS find took 3 minutes;
 _ NFS find again took 21 seconds;
 _ SMB find took over 9 minutes;
 _ SMB find again took again over 9 minutes.
 
 So, while caching plays a role, it just isn't it.
 The server was possibly doing other things, so the above figures might
 not be that correct; however a difference in the magnitude order is just
 too big (and deterministic) to be considered random noise.
 
 the problem may be high log level for Samba
 
 You should read this
 
 http://www.hob-techtalk.com/2009/03/09/nfs-vs-cifs-aka-smb
 

Wow wow wow, their numbers with SMB seem super low.

They claim to get 80Mb/s NFS vs 7Mb SMB.

I'm getting 80-100Mbs with samba here with a core i3, 4gb of RAM and a 12tb 
raidz2 pool on GREEN drives, which are definitely not server grade (replacing 
them with WD reds, btw).

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Re: Possibly OT: NFS vs SMB performance

2013-07-06 Thread Adam Vande More
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Andrea Venturoli m...@netfence.it wrote:

 Hello.

 Sorry to ask here: maybe it's not the best place, but it might be a start
 (the client and server are both FreeBSD).

 The server exports the same directory via NFS and via SMB.

 I'd expect some performance penalty when using SMB, but:
 find /nfs_mounted_dir /dev/null takes more or less 1 minute;
 find /smb_mounted_dir /dev/null takes nearly 10 minutes.

 Is this normal in your experience?


http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2013-January/038903.html

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Possibly OT: NFS vs SMB performance

2013-07-05 Thread Andrea Venturoli

Hello.

Sorry to ask here: maybe it's not the best place, but it might be a 
start (the client and server are both FreeBSD).


The server exports the same directory via NFS and via SMB.

I'd expect some performance penalty when using SMB, but:
find /nfs_mounted_dir /dev/null takes more or less 1 minute;
find /smb_mounted_dir /dev/null takes nearly 10 minutes.

Is this normal in your experience?

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Re: Possibly OT: NFS vs SMB performance

2013-07-05 Thread Terje Elde
On 5. juli 2013, at 18:18, Andrea Venturoli m...@netfence.it wrote:

 Is this normal in your experience?

Did you do them in that order, or did you do the smb (slow) one first?

If the slow was first, I'm thinking caching on the server could be a major 
factor. 

Terje

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