Re: RAID5 on FreeBSD 6 or 7

2008-12-01 Thread Ivan Voras
Wojciech Puchar wrote:

>> fast, though. See it's page on Wikipedia for more info. I'd use it
>> more if it
>> was part of official FreeBSD release, but for now it is only available
>> as a
>> patch (AFAIK).
> 
> which is strange. someone don't like RAID5 to be included in system?

I'd like to see graid5 in the base system but I'm also one of those who
sort-of held it back from being imported, at least by inaction. The
reasons are:

a) Last time there was discussion about including it (it's available
somewhere in the freebsd-geom list archives) an issue was raised about
its over-aggressive use of caching that is turned *on* by default. IIRC
it's also likely that the design of the current code doesn't allow
turning it off. I suppose this is what makes it fast but the concerns
for data stability / corruption are real and not imaginary.
b) It was developed by a non-developer. This in itself says nothing
about the quality or the lack of quality of the code and is technically
irrelevant but there are couple of organizational issues:
1) it needs someone to look after it when it's imported
2) it needs to conform to the style and code layout rules of the project

I can't find the patch right now so I can't say for sure what is its
state now. I believe that if issues a) and b.2) are solved there would
be no problems or objections in importing it.

(It could be said that ZFS makes it obsolete, but it's not so -
lightweight RAID and file systems will always have their use).



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Re: RAID5 on FreeBSD 6 or 7

2008-12-01 Thread Wojciech Puchar

However, as I said, gvinum is slow. I also run graid5 and some say it is pretty


same for me. it works and works fast.

but still - small writes WILL be slow as it's RAID5
because of this i don't have much uses for it, as in most cases today
drive's capacities are much larger than amount of data that has to be 
protected.


so i use gmirror most often


stable. I've been running it for a year on a non-production server and it works
for me, but haven't seen it in action, when a drive fails or something. It is


simply disconnect one drive to test.


fast, though. See it's page on Wikipedia for more info. I'd use it more if it
was part of official FreeBSD release, but for now it is only available as a
patch (AFAIK).


which is strange. someone don't like RAID5 to be included in system?
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Re: RAID5 on FreeBSD 6 or 7

2008-12-01 Thread Nejc Skoberne
Hey Peter,

> Is it vinum or gvinum (geom8) that is the utility to create a RAID5 volume..?
> Things like that gvinum lacks the 'stop' command etc.. makes me think
> that it's not production ready or that the source code has not matured enough.

actually gvinum is production-ready, it only doesn't implement all the features 
of
vinum. I've been using since 2006 and it works, but it is slow. I just played
with it this weekend again, you can check
http://nejc.skoberne.net/2008/11/gmirror-and-gvinum-on-the-same-drives/.

However, as I said, gvinum is slow. I also run graid5 and some say it is pretty
stable. I've been running it for a year on a non-production server and it works
for me, but haven't seen it in action, when a drive fails or something. It is
fast, though. See it's page on Wikipedia for more info. I'd use it more if it
was part of official FreeBSD release, but for now it is only available as a
patch (AFAIK).

Bye,
Nejc
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RAID5 on FreeBSD 6 or 7

2008-12-01 Thread Peter B

Is it vinum or gvinum (geom8) that is the utility to create a RAID5 volume..?
Things like that gvinum lacks the 'stop' command etc.. makes me think
that it's not production ready or that the source code has not matured enough.

   /P

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