Re: Making the Leap to 5.4 and 64bit
On Aug 3, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Wil Hatfield - HyperConX wrote: First, greetings to the group and nice to meet everyone's acquaintance. We are getting ready to make a big leap to Dual 64bit Xeon machines (SuperMicro) and FreeBSD 5.4. We would really have like to stick with 4.11 but from what I am gathering it certainly doesn't support the 64bit processors. Jut FYI. You should be able to run 4.11 in i386 (32 bit mode) (or 5.4 in the same mode) if you want. I run dual 64bit opterons running i386 32bit version of 5.3... If you don't need the 64bit mode and there are 32bit things that you do require, you may want to consider it for the time being. Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making the Leap to 5.4 and 64bit
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 02:22:14PM -0700, Wil Hatfield - HyperConX wrote: First, greetings to the group and nice to meet everyone's acquaintance. We are getting ready to make a big leap to Dual 64bit Xeon machines (SuperMicro) and FreeBSD 5.4. We would really have like to stick with 4.11 but from what I am gathering it certainly doesn't support the 64bit processors. Now on to my questions: You should subscribe to the freebsd-amd64 list. Can anyone share any of their experiences that I may also encounter? Both 5.3 and 5.4-STABLE have been running fine on my Athlon64 uniprocessor. Hardware: Athlon64 3400+ (2.4 GHz, 400 MHz FSB) MSI Neo FSR (MSI-6702) [VIA chipset] 2x512 MB PC3200U-2533 RAM Nforce3 and 4 chipsets seem to have some problems, see the mailing list archives. Same goes for the ehci driver. How can I make the most out of SMP and the dual 64bits? Run apps that are multi-process or multi-threaded. :-) Any undocumented or hard to find settings that I should know about? Some mobos had problems with ACPI on 5.3. For those mobos it has to be disabled. This might be solved with 5.4. If you're transplanting a make.conf from a machine with another architecture, remove any --march options from CFLAGS and COPTFLAGS. Same goes for the 'machine' and 'cpu' lines in your kernel configuration if you copy that from a machine with another architecture. FAST_IPSEC is seems to be b0rken on amd64. Look at the open problem reports for amd64. Are there any commonly used applications that won't run on this system? All apps that I use for common desktop use are fine. Emacs, Firefox, mutt, etc. To find a list of all the ports that are b0rken on amd64 try the following: cd /usr/ports find . -name Makefile | xargs grep -H BROKEN.*amd64|sed 's|/Makefile.*||' If a port is marked BROKEN on amd64, it could just be that it wasn't tested on it, or a previous version was broken. Try removing the BROKEN line and see where the build fails. Sometimes the fix is trivial. Roland -- R.F.Smith (http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/) Please send e-mail as plain text. public key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt pgpKvmge9ZF4O.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Making the Leap to 5.4 and 64bit
Roland, Thanks for the tips and insight. Are they going to flame me on the freebsd-amd64 list for my Xeon questions? Wil Hatfield HyperConX ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Making the Leap to 5.4 and 64bit
Chad, So I can kick it down to 32bit. Great to know and I may have to do that myself. I will probably give the build a whirl both ways and compare some benchmarks. Maybe even all 3 ways as I have some RD time. Any settings I should know about to kick the install down to 32bit? I suppose 4.11 is native 32bit or do I have to kick that down too on a 64bit system? Cheers, Wil Hatfield HyperConX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:42 PM To: Wil Hatfield - HyperConX Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Making the Leap to 5.4 and 64bit On Aug 3, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Wil Hatfield - HyperConX wrote: First, greetings to the group and nice to meet everyone's acquaintance. We are getting ready to make a big leap to Dual 64bit Xeon machines (SuperMicro) and FreeBSD 5.4. We would really have like to stick with 4.11 but from what I am gathering it certainly doesn't support the 64bit processors. Jut FYI. You should be able to run 4.11 in i386 (32 bit mode) (or 5.4 in the same mode) if you want. I run dual 64bit opterons running i386 32bit version of 5.3... If you don't need the 64bit mode and there are 32bit things that you do require, you may want to consider it for the time being. Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making the Leap to 5.4 and 64bit
On Aug 3, 2005, at 4:21 PM, Wil Hatfield wrote: Chad, So I can kick it down to 32bit. Great to know and I may have to do that myself. I will probably give the build a whirl both ways and compare some benchmarks. Maybe even all 3 ways as I have some RD time. Any settings I should know about to kick the install down to 32bit? I suppose 4.11 is native 32bit or do I have to kick that down too on a 64bit system? Just use the appropriate install media. The i386 install is automatically a 32bit i386 architecture install (and the machine will run as is) and the amd64 is an AMD64 and EMT64 or whatever the intel version is called install and will install a 64bit version. The 64 bit processors will run in 32bit mode and installing the 32bit OS will do it for you automatically. Chad Cheers, Wil Hatfield HyperConX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:42 PM To: Wil Hatfield - HyperConX Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Making the Leap to 5.4 and 64bit On Aug 3, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Wil Hatfield - HyperConX wrote: First, greetings to the group and nice to meet everyone's acquaintance. We are getting ready to make a big leap to Dual 64bit Xeon machines (SuperMicro) and FreeBSD 5.4. We would really have like to stick with 4.11 but from what I am gathering it certainly doesn't support the 64bit processors. Jut FYI. You should be able to run 4.11 in i386 (32 bit mode) (or 5.4 in the same mode) if you want. I run dual 64bit opterons running i386 32bit version of 5.3... If you don't need the 64bit mode and there are 32bit things that you do require, you may want to consider it for the time being. Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making the Leap to 5.4 and 64bit
On Aug 3, 2005, at 4:16 PM, Wil Hatfield wrote: Roland, Thanks for the tips and insight. Are they going to flame me on the freebsd-amd64 list for my Xeon questions? As long as they are 64bit questions, they shouldn't. Intel adopted the 64bit extensions that AMD had made for their own 64bit Xeon series so the SW is the same. It has the amd64 name since it started with the AMD opteron, which for a while was the only chip with the architecture. Chad Wil Hatfield HyperConX ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Making the Leap to 5.4 and 64bit
Chad, That answers my final question of which media to install from. And now I even understand why. Thanks a million. Wil Hatfield HyperConX -Original Message- From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:21 PM To: Wil Hatfield Cc: FreeBSD - Questions Subject: Re: Making the Leap to 5.4 and 64bit On Aug 3, 2005, at 4:16 PM, Wil Hatfield wrote: Roland, Thanks for the tips and insight. Are they going to flame me on the freebsd-amd64 list for my Xeon questions? As long as they are 64bit questions, they shouldn't. Intel adopted the 64bit extensions that AMD had made for their own 64bit Xeon series so the SW is the same. It has the amd64 name since it started with the AMD opteron, which for a while was the only chip with the architecture. Chad Wil Hatfield HyperConX ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
