RE: suitability of freebsd 5.3 for 486 dx2 66?
This is fine for FreeBSD 4.11, yes it will take a long time to build a kernel, but not more than 24 hours. You also get some valuable lessons in space planning on a hard disk. The original PDP-11 only had 64k (that's k, not meg) of ram I believe. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Cecil Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:16 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: suitability of freebsd 5.3 for 486 dx2 66? I plan on running a 486 I found laying around as a freebsd box. It only has a floppy, and yes, it's a 486. It does have 500 meg hard disk and 20 megs of ram though. Any ideas as to what is realistic to expect out of this machine? I plan to run it as a CLI box only to learn perl, python, C++ and some other stuff on. Xeys Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suitability of freebsd 5.3 for 486 dx2 66?
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: This is fine for FreeBSD 4.11, yes it will take a long time to build a kernel, but not more than 24 hours. You also get some valuable lessons in space planning on a hard disk. The original PDP-11 only had 64k (that's k, not meg) of ram I believe. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Cecil Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:16 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: suitability of freebsd 5.3 for 486 dx2 66? I plan on running a 486 I found laying around as a freebsd box. It only has a floppy, and yes, it's a 486. It does have 500 meg hard disk and 20 megs of ram though. Any ideas as to what is realistic to expect out of this machine? I plan to run it as a CLI box only to learn perl, python, C++ and some other stuff on. Xeys Good luck fitting everything on there. You can get FreeBSD on 250 maybe, but that's just the base system. After installing Python/any GNU stuff or sources, you may run into disk space issues. Then again, you can plan on having your swap slice being small (~50 Mb if you wish). Email me personally, if you want any DRAM because I have some laying around that you might want from a 486 ;). -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: suitability of freebsd 5.3 for 486 dx2 66?
$ df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s1a 50350 37954 836882%/ /dev/ad0s1e436206 178144 22316644%/usr procfs 4 4 0 100%/proc $ uname -a FreeBSD xxx.x.com 4.10-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE #0: Tue May 25 22:47:12 GMT 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 $ Granted, it's FBSD 4.10 not 4.11, but they are similar enough. As I said, it is just in knowing how to set it up. One of the keys is not installing /usr/ports. While the ports system is great for setting things up fast, it is a space hog. If you download and compile the utilities by hand, it uses a lot less space, plus you learn how the system actually works as opposed to learning how to flip switches on a black box. I use /usr/ports quite a lot but I didn't when I was learning. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Garrett Cooper Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 2:31 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: suitability of freebsd 5.3 for 486 dx2 66? Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: This is fine for FreeBSD 4.11, yes it will take a long time to build a kernel, but not more than 24 hours. You also get some valuable lessons in space planning on a hard disk. The original PDP-11 only had 64k (that's k, not meg) of ram I believe. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Cecil Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:16 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: suitability of freebsd 5.3 for 486 dx2 66? I plan on running a 486 I found laying around as a freebsd box. It only has a floppy, and yes, it's a 486. It does have 500 meg hard disk and 20 megs of ram though. Any ideas as to what is realistic to expect out of this machine? I plan to run it as a CLI box only to learn perl, python, C++ and some other stuff on. Xeys Good luck fitting everything on there. You can get FreeBSD on 250 maybe, but that's just the base system. After installing Python/any GNU stuff or sources, you may run into disk space issues. Then again, you can plan on having your swap slice being small (~50 Mb if you wish). Email me personally, if you want any DRAM because I have some laying around that you might want from a 486 ;). -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suitability of freebsd 5.3 for 486 dx2 66?
On 7/8/05, Cecil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I plan on running a 486 I found laying around as a freebsd box. It only has a floppy, and yes, it's a 486. It does have 500 meg hard disk and 20 megs of ram though. Any ideas as to what is realistic to expect out of this machine? I plan to run it as a CLI box only to learn perl, python, C++ and some other stuff on. Well, one thought comes to my mind, it probably will take forever (perhaps a week?) to make kernel and world on this CPU, and 500 mb HDD does not look big enough to accomodate temporary and object files during this process. -- Dmitry We live less by imagination than despite it - Rockwell Kent, N by E ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suitability of freebsd 5.3 for 486 dx2 66?
Dmitry Mityugov wrote: On 7/8/05, Cecil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I plan on running a 486 I found laying around as a freebsd box. It only has a floppy, and yes, it's a 486. It does have 500 meg hard disk and 20 megs of ram though. Any ideas as to what is realistic to expect out of this machine? I plan to run it as a CLI box only to learn perl, python, C++ and some other stuff on. Well, one thought comes to my mind, it probably will take forever (perhaps a week?) to make kernel and world on this CPU, and 500 mb HDD does not look big enough to accomodate temporary and object files during this process. For Release 5.4, the installation notes indicate 24 MB RAM is required, and if I recall, some folks have indicated having problems with less than 32 MB (24 may be for a rather minimalist install). You might just be able to squeeze 4.11 onto this box, but as Dmitry noted, you're likely in for some painful compile times if you do antyhing serious with it. -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) gregb at scls.lib.wi.us, (608) 266-6348 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suitability of freebsd 5.3 for 486 dx2 66?
Cecil wrote: I plan on running a 486 I found laying around as a freebsd box. It only has a floppy, and yes, it's a 486. It does have 500 meg hard disk and 20 megs of ram though. Any ideas as to what is realistic to expect out of this machine? I plan to run it as a CLI box only to learn perl, python, C++ and some other stuff on. You don't have enough disk space to fit Perl, Python, and a full FreeBSD distribution. The CPU is going to be slow but workable, but 20MB of RAM is going to be very marginal, too. I'm not sure the installer will be able to run, although if you can get the disk built out, FreeBSD will run. -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: suitability of freebsd 5.3 for 486 dx2 66?
If it is only for cli and learning programming, I'd suggest to install FreeBSD 4.11. All you need (gcc, perl, python, vim/emacs) is readyly available from the original install cd #1. I had a comparable box running as a samba fileserver under FreeBSD and even could run a make world on it. You need to have at least a cdrom drive or network card in your 486 box for installation. If you don't need the comfort of sysinstall, you could also give netbsd a try. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Cecil Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:16 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: suitability of freebsd 5.3 for 486 dx2 66? I plan on running a 486 I found laying around as a freebsd box. It only has a floppy, and yes, it's a 486. It does have 500 meg hard disk and 20 megs of ram though. Any ideas as to what is realistic to expect out of this machine? I plan to run it as a CLI box only to learn perl, python, C++ and some other stuff on. Xeys ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
