Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?
On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course not :P What are the PR references? Try this. Login to twice on ssh. If not root su both to root. using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty. on the first tty type 'killall watch' you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer is counting down. I can confirm this. Even typing reboot to reboot the server causes page faults. But not this. Kris Hi Kris http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=116719 is the watch report http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=116720 for the reboot The reboot stopped crashing when I recompiled world using -O I have however seen it on other servers crashing on -O binaries its not consistent like the watch problem but its on numerous servers I seen the problem on. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?
Chris wrote: On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course not :P What are the PR references? Try this. Login to twice on ssh. If not root su both to root. using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty. on the first tty type 'killall watch' you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer is counting down. I can confirm this. Even typing reboot to reboot the server causes page faults. But not this. Kris Hi Kris http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=116719 is the watch report http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=116720 for the reboot The reboot stopped crashing when I recompiled world using -O I have however seen it on other servers crashing on -O binaries its not consistent like the watch problem but its on numerous servers I seen the problem on. Unfortunately both of these are not high quality PR submissions, which is probably why no action has been taken yet. At least in the first one you give a how to repeat that I was able to follow, but in general when you encounter a panic you should be providing the backtrace and/or other debugging information requested here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html The second PR is basically null as written since it cannot be reproduced and no debugging information was submitted. If you are interested in proceeding with it, please reproduce and obtain the necessary kernel debugging. Otherwise we should close it. Does the patch I sent you solve the first problem? Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?
On 28/11/2007, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris wrote: On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course not :P What are the PR references? Try this. Login to twice on ssh. If not root su both to root. using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty. on the first tty type 'killall watch' you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer is counting down. I can confirm this. Even typing reboot to reboot the server causes page faults. But not this. Kris Hi Kris http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=116719 is the watch report http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=116720 for the reboot The reboot stopped crashing when I recompiled world using -O I have however seen it on other servers crashing on -O binaries its not consistent like the watch problem but its on numerous servers I seen the problem on. Unfortunately both of these are not high quality PR submissions, which is probably why no action has been taken yet. At least in the first one you give a how to repeat that I was able to follow, but in general when you encounter a panic you should be providing the backtrace and/or other debugging information requested here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html The second PR is basically null as written since it cannot be reproduced and no debugging information was submitted. If you are interested in proceeding with it, please reproduce and obtain the necessary kernel debugging. Otherwise we should close it. Does the patch I sent you solve the first problem? Kris Ok first an apology there was feedback to 116720 which I didnt know until now. I did another crash on the watch but had foreground fsck set in rc.conf and did another immediate reboot afterwards and as expected because no bg fsck running it didnt crash. Patching it now and will also enable full debugging on the kernel. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?
On 28/11/2007, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately both of these are not high quality PR submissions, which is probably why no action has been taken yet. At least in the first one you give a how to repeat that I was able to follow, but in general when you encounter a panic you should be providing the backtrace and/or other debugging information requested here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html The second PR is basically null as written since it cannot be reproduced and no debugging information was submitted. If you are interested in proceeding with it, please reproduce and obtain the necessary kernel debugging. Otherwise we should close it. Does the patch I sent you solve the first problem? Kris Ok the patch hasnt stopped the watch crashing in addition the reboot I did after compiling the new kernel also caused a crash and there was defenitly no fsck running in the background when I did the reboot. Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: cpuid = 0; apic id = 00 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: fault virtual address= 0x24 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: fault code = supervisor read, page not present Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: instruction pointer = 0x20:0xc3f84262 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: stack pointer= 0x28:0xde0c2b34 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: frame pointer= 0x28:0xde0c2b88 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xf, type 0x1b Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: current process = 901 (sh) Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: trap number = 12 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: panic: page fault Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: cpuid = 0 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: Uptime: 49m19s Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: Physical memory: 723 MB Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: Dumping 122 MB: 107 91 75 59 43 27 11 Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: Dump complete Nov 28 12:21:52 revolution kernel: Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort I will post back later when I have more debug information for you. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?
Kris Kennaway wrote:
Chris wrote:
On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tore Lund wrote:
Ivan Voras wrote:
Dave wrote:
Hello,
How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their
any
outstanding issues?
Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you
might as
well start using it now.
It's stable enough like all .0 releases, meaning you should
throughly
test it for your own workload before using it in production.
Just curious, what is the official forum for pre-release discussions?
I notice there are some threads on the current list, but it seems to
me that this is really questions stuff, since it is an upcoming
release.
freebsd-stable is probably best.
In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install
any
packages during the install process. Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11
when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site. Pkg_add from the command
line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from
7.0-BETA3 tomorrow.
That is expected, packages are not available until later in the release
cycle.
Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program? I have
read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of
7.0-BETA3. Personally, I would much rather type a long list of
commands
than use the old, rickety sysinstall.
One is in early development, but not even complete let alone ready to
replace sysinstall.
Kris
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Kris can I ask what sort of importance bugs that cause crashes (page
faults) are?
I reported 2 bugs before BETA1 both these bugs involved 7.0 getting a
page fault and of course then stop responding requiring a reboot yet
both PRs have had no response and both bugs are still present in BETA3
I see minor issues been worked on such as responsiveness in desktop
use whilst issues that cause system crashes are left unattended. Is
FreeBSD primarily a desktop os now and thats the new path?
Of course not :P What are the PR references?
Try this.
Login to twice on ssh.
If not root su both to root.
using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty.
on the first tty type 'killall watch'
you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer
is counting down.
I can confirm this.
Try this patch from kib@
diff --git a/sys/dev/snp/snp.c b/sys/dev/snp/snp.c
index a84e90c..b8f3d63 100644
--- a/sys/dev/snp/snp.c
+++ b/sys/dev/snp/snp.c
@@ -491,7 +491,7 @@ snpioctl(struct cdev *dev, u_long cmd, caddr_t data,
int flags,
struct thread *td)
{
struct snoop *snp;
- struct tty *tp, *tpo;
+ struct tty *tp;
struct cdev *tdev;
struct file *fp;
int s;
@@ -502,6 +502,9 @@ snpioctl(struct cdev *dev, u_long cmd, caddr_t data,
int flags,
s = *(int *)data;
if (s 0)
return (snp_down(snp));
+ if (snp-snp_tty != NULL)
+ return (EBUSY);
+
if (fget(td, s, fp) != 0)
return (EINVAL);
if (fp-f_type != DTYPE_VNODE ||
@@ -520,13 +523,6 @@ snpioctl(struct cdev *dev, u_long cmd, caddr_t
data, int flags,
return (EBUSY);
s = spltty();
-
- if (snp-snp_target == NULL) {
- tpo = snp-snp_tty;
- if (tpo)
- tpo-t_state = ~TS_SNOOP;
- }
-
tp-t_state |= TS_SNOOP;
snp-snp_olddisc = tp-t_line;
tp-t_line = snooplinedisc;
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Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?
Tore Lund wrote: Ivan Voras wrote: Dave wrote: Hello, How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any outstanding issues? Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as well start using it now. It's stable enough like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly test it for your own workload before using it in production. Just curious, what is the official forum for pre-release discussions? I notice there are some threads on the current list, but it seems to me that this is really questions stuff, since it is an upcoming release. It depends. As I see it, current and stable lists are used more by knowledgeable people who can more accurately pinpoint a problem and possibly provide a solution, while questions is for everyone else. Between current and stable it's a more complex choice. There's no 7-STABLE yet but there is RELENG_7 so people tend to post on both in this intermediate period. In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install any packages during the install process. Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11 when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site. Pkg_add from the command line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from 7.0-BETA3 tomorrow. I don't know if 7.0-BETA3 has packages on the CD - I think in the past only release CDs had proper support for on-CD packages. Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program? I have read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of 7.0-BETA3. Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands than use the old, rickety sysinstall. Yes there was, and I'm working on it. Unfortunately, late in the development cycle of 7 (BETA2) there was a bug introduced in the kernel which collides with my work so far so the development of the installer is essentially paused until the bug is fixed. More unfortunately, it looks like the bug will not be fixed for 7.0-RELEASE so there will not be a new installer for 7.0-RELEASE. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?
Tore Lund wrote: Ivan Voras wrote: Dave wrote: Hello, How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any outstanding issues? Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as well start using it now. It's stable enough like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly test it for your own workload before using it in production. Just curious, what is the official forum for pre-release discussions? I notice there are some threads on the current list, but it seems to me that this is really questions stuff, since it is an upcoming release. freebsd-stable is probably best. In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install any packages during the install process. Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11 when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site. Pkg_add from the command line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from 7.0-BETA3 tomorrow. That is expected, packages are not available until later in the release cycle. Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program? I have read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of 7.0-BETA3. Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands than use the old, rickety sysinstall. One is in early development, but not even complete let alone ready to replace sysinstall. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?
Ivan Voras wrote: Tore Lund wrote: Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program? I have read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of 7.0-BETA3. Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands than use the old, rickety sysinstall. Yes there was, and I'm working on it. Unfortunately, late in the development cycle of 7 (BETA2) there was a bug introduced in the kernel which collides with my work so far so the development of the installer is essentially paused until the bug is fixed. More unfortunately, it looks like the bug will not be fixed for 7.0-RELEASE so there will not be a new installer for 7.0-RELEASE. Thank you for the effort on the install system. And thanks to you and Kris for some answers. -- Tore ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?
On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tore Lund wrote: Ivan Voras wrote: Dave wrote: Hello, How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any outstanding issues? Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as well start using it now. It's stable enough like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly test it for your own workload before using it in production. Just curious, what is the official forum for pre-release discussions? I notice there are some threads on the current list, but it seems to me that this is really questions stuff, since it is an upcoming release. freebsd-stable is probably best. In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install any packages during the install process. Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11 when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site. Pkg_add from the command line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from 7.0-BETA3 tomorrow. That is expected, packages are not available until later in the release cycle. Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program? I have read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of 7.0-BETA3. Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands than use the old, rickety sysinstall. One is in early development, but not even complete let alone ready to replace sysinstall. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kris can I ask what sort of importance bugs that cause crashes (page faults) are? I reported 2 bugs before BETA1 both these bugs involved 7.0 getting a page fault and of course then stop responding requiring a reboot yet both PRs have had no response and both bugs are still present in BETA3 I see minor issues been worked on such as responsiveness in desktop use whilst issues that cause system crashes are left unattended. Is FreeBSD primarily a desktop os now and thats the new path? Try this. Login to twice on ssh. If not root su both to root. using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty. on the first tty type 'killall watch' you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer is counting down. Even typing reboot to reboot the server causes page faults. This is nothing to do with hardware very repeatable behaviour happens for me on at least 4 different freebsd 7 servers, if I compile world with -O not -O2 the default it stops reboot causing page faults on some of the servers. Chris Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?
On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 15:34 +, Chris wrote: On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tore Lund wrote: Ivan Voras wrote: Dave wrote: Hello, How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any outstanding issues? Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as well start using it now. It's stable enough like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly test it for your own workload before using it in production. Just curious, what is the official forum for pre-release discussions? I notice there are some threads on the current list, but it seems to me that this is really questions stuff, since it is an upcoming release. freebsd-stable is probably best. In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install any packages during the install process. Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11 when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site. Pkg_add from the command line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from 7.0-BETA3 tomorrow. That is expected, packages are not available until later in the release cycle. Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program? I have read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of 7.0-BETA3. Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands than use the old, rickety sysinstall. One is in early development, but not even complete let alone ready to replace sysinstall. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kris can I ask what sort of importance bugs that cause crashes (page faults) are? I reported 2 bugs before BETA1 both these bugs involved 7.0 getting a page fault and of course then stop responding requiring a reboot yet both PRs have had no response and both bugs are still present in BETA3 I see minor issues been worked on such as responsiveness in desktop use whilst issues that cause system crashes are left unattended. Is FreeBSD primarily a desktop os now and thats the new path? Try this. Login to twice on ssh. If not root su both to root. using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty. on the first tty type 'killall watch' you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer is counting down. Even typing reboot to reboot the server causes page faults. This is nothing to do with hardware very repeatable behaviour happens for me on at least 4 different freebsd 7 servers, if I compile world with -O not -O2 the default it stops reboot causing page faults on some of the servers. Chris Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This looks like your bug: Description: when using the command killall watch with at least 1 active watch process running the kernel gets a page fault and reboots. Is the above the behaviour that's the problem, or is the behaviour you describe in your email the issue? I can confirm the stuff in your email, but haven't tried using killall watch when watch is using other options. James ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?
Chris wrote: On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tore Lund wrote: Ivan Voras wrote: Dave wrote: Hello, How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any outstanding issues? Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as well start using it now. It's stable enough like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly test it for your own workload before using it in production. Just curious, what is the official forum for pre-release discussions? I notice there are some threads on the current list, but it seems to me that this is really questions stuff, since it is an upcoming release. freebsd-stable is probably best. In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install any packages during the install process. Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11 when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site. Pkg_add from the command line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from 7.0-BETA3 tomorrow. That is expected, packages are not available until later in the release cycle. Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program? I have read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of 7.0-BETA3. Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands than use the old, rickety sysinstall. One is in early development, but not even complete let alone ready to replace sysinstall. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kris can I ask what sort of importance bugs that cause crashes (page faults) are? I reported 2 bugs before BETA1 both these bugs involved 7.0 getting a page fault and of course then stop responding requiring a reboot yet both PRs have had no response and both bugs are still present in BETA3 I see minor issues been worked on such as responsiveness in desktop use whilst issues that cause system crashes are left unattended. Is FreeBSD primarily a desktop os now and thats the new path? Of course not :P What are the PR references? Try this. Login to twice on ssh. If not root su both to root. using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty. on the first tty type 'killall watch' you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer is counting down. I can confirm this. Even typing reboot to reboot the server causes page faults. But not this. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?
Ivan Voras wrote: Dave wrote: Hello, How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their any outstanding issues? Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you might as well start using it now. It's stable enough like all .0 releases, meaning you should throughly test it for your own workload before using it in production. Just curious, what is the official forum for pre-release discussions? I notice there are some threads on the current list, but it seems to me that this is really questions stuff, since it is an upcoming release. In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install any packages during the install process. Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11 when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site. Pkg_add from the command line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from 7.0-BETA3 tomorrow. Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program? I have read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of 7.0-BETA3. Personally, I would much rather type a long list of commands than use the old, rickety sysinstall. -- Tore ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
