What's the difference between FreeBSD and OpenBSD?

2003-09-17 Thread Andy
Apologies if I should have found the answer already, but it would appear
from both sites that BSD is a marvellous operating system, very secure,
efficient, etc, based on Berkeley Unix, etc. Both are free and maintained by
really skilled technical people, etc, but what is the difference between
them, why would one use one in preference to the other?

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Re: What's the difference between FreeBSD and OpenBSD?

2003-09-17 Thread Lucas Holt
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 08:35  AM, Andy wrote:

Apologies if I should have found the answer already, but it would 
appear
from both sites that BSD is a marvellous operating system, very 
secure,
efficient, etc, based on Berkeley Unix, etc. Both are free and 
maintained by
really skilled technical people, etc, but what is the difference 
between
them, why would one use one in preference to the other?


Its simply a matter of preference.  Each project (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, 
NetBSD...) have their own goals, and ideas about security.

I tend to look at it like this:
FreeBSD is probably the best general purpose BSD for x86 systems.  
(other ports are coming along)

OpenBSD is great for those who are VERY serious about security.  The 
system is locked down by default, and has alterations the the system 
compiler to make it more secure.  It tries to prevent common attack 
vectors.  If you are using this for a desktop, you will need to do a 
lot more work to unsecure it enough to run apps. :)

NetBSD
I can't comment on NetBSD all that much as I only ran it on an old 
Sparc.  It ran great though.. they do support the most platforms 
though.  Linux people should feel at home in terms of porting to 
everything including your toaster oven.  You can even run NetBSD on 
Sega DreamCast.

Darwin (Apple's distro)  isn't done yet for x86 platforms.  Mac OS X 
runs the darwin system.

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Re: What's the difference between FreeBSD and OpenBSD?

2003-09-17 Thread Nico Meijer
Hi Andy,

Starting World War III, are you? ;-)

 Apologies if I should have found the answer already, but it would
 appear from both sites that BSD is a marvellous operating system,
 very secure, efficient, etc, based on Berkeley Unix, etc.

microsoft.com would like you to believe they make a marvelous operating
system, very secure, efficient and cost effective, with probably no
mention of the name Berkeley whatsoever, even though {a number of,
all?} versions of Windows contain Berkeley TCP/IP code if not the
complete stack.

I believe it has it's uses, btw, but that's for World War version IV.

 Both are free and maintained by
 really skilled technical people, etc, but what is the difference
 between them, why would one use one in preference to the other?

Use dmoz.org, Google and whatever rocks your boat, but it seems it
usually boils down to something like this:

- OpenBSD: security first, usability later; great number of platforms
supported
- FreeBSD: usability, stability and security take equal share
- NetBSD: Of course it runs NetBSD, ie. portability

Roughly, FreeBSD's mailing lists are friendlier than OpenBSD's, unless
(and this can't be stressed enough methinks) you do your homework. So
make sure you do it.

I am hardly the person to comment on any of this, really, so I'll shut
up now.

Bye... Nico
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Re: What's the difference between FreeBSD and OpenBSD?

2003-09-17 Thread Viktor Lazlo


On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Andy wrote:

 Apologies if I should have found the answer already, but it would appear
 from both sites that BSD is a marvellous operating system, very secure,
 efficient, etc, based on Berkeley Unix, etc. Both are free and maintained by
 really skilled technical people, etc, but what is the difference between
 them, why would one use one in preference to the other?

Try them both, and OpenBSD, to see which one you like the best and which
best suits your needs and works best on your system(s).  ; )

Originally the main difference was FreeBSD was optimized for the x86
architecture, while NetBSD focused on portability to most available
hardware platforms.  OpenBSD later split off from NetBSD to allow its
developer to focus on security.

Cheers,

Viktor
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Re: What's the difference between FreeBSD and OpenBSD?

2003-09-17 Thread Lucas Holt

Darwin most certainly does run on x86 (Darwin supports both x86 and 
PPC). OS X does not, OS X is Darwin+Quartz+Cocoa+Carbon.


I know it runs.. but there is no driver support.  It supports like 1 
intel ide controller chipset, etc.  Basically its not that usable as a 
workstation or server platform for the x86 in its current form.  The 
original build as i recall was designed for a specific ibm laptop.  
(i'm sure it inherited x86 support from its neXt Open Step roots)

anyway.. you can goto developer.apple.com and get the link for the 
darwin project.. all the current info is there.

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Re: What's the difference between FreeBSD and OpenBSD?

2003-09-17 Thread paul beard
Lucas Holt wrote:

Darwin (Apple's distro)  isn't done yet for x86 platforms.  Mac OS X 
runs the darwin system.

Actually, it is running on x86 hardware and has for some time.

http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/darwin/

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Re: What's the difference between FreeBSD and OpenBSD?

2003-09-17 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 03:07:39PM +0200, Nico Meijer wrote:
 Roughly, FreeBSD's mailing lists are friendlier than OpenBSD's, unless
 (and this can't be stressed enough methinks) you do your homework. So

That's correct. There's nothing I hate worse than a FBSD geek who has 
done all the assigned problems for Diff Eq class.

Bob Hall
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Re: What's the difference between FreeBSD and OpenBSD?

2003-09-17 Thread Lucas Holt
There are actually drivers for darwin now.. my mistake.
http://www.opendarwin.org/hardware/
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