Re: linux cp -u question
On Thu, 27 May 2010 18:41:21 +0200, Coert lgro...@waagmeester.co.za wrote: Hello all, Is there a FreeBSD equivalent for the linux cp -u ? http://linux.die.net/man/1/cp (-u, --update) Check out cpdup (available via ports or packages). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
portsnap and portupgrade question
Hello all, Thanks for the awesome OS! I am a Linux user and I just started using FreeBSD. It is awesome, and the Handbook as well! I am following Chapter 24 of the Handbook to update my system. First I completed the freebsd-update Then I ran portupgrade -av Then I ran portsnap. When I decided what to make PACKAGESITE I picked 8.0-RELEASE (not STABLE or CURRENT). I also mirrored the entire 20GB i386 8.0-RELEASE package set. I live in South-Africa and my ADSL is slow and expensive, so having the whole collection locally 'helps' :) Now here is my question. After I ran portsnap fetch extract, I ran portupgrade and got quite a fright. What does portsnap want to download? 8.0-RELEASE or STABLE? I did not mirror the ports because that would be really big, so it will cost me a lot of time to upgrade with portupgrade. Is there a way to do this with the binary packages instead? Or am I doing something wrong? Any pointers for this n00b would be greatly appreciated! Regards, Coert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloning question
On Wed, 26 May 2010 22:33:16 -0400, Steve Bertrand st...@ipv6canada.com wrote: I've written a few howto's on backup/restore/cloning in the past, but now I have a question that I hope to have quickly answered. I'm not looking for criticism on my approach, only on whether it will work. With that said, I'll lay out my scenario and my questions. Scenario: - live web server (300 domains), shut the box down and booted up a copy of the system on new hardware - changed the normal system items (nic, fstab etc) - new box is running fine under old system, but I need to transfer the old system data (all of it...*all* data) to the new disk sub-structure - new box has RAID card, but not compatible w/FBSD - new box has had RAID card disabled, so new disks show up as standard adX drives Questions: - while running the 'new' box under the 'old' system, can I: --- atacontrol create RAID1 ad4 ad6 --- fdisk --- label: to items under /mnt, as to prepare for copy - stop all services (or go into single-user), and dump each slice from orig to new ...if so, please advise of the dump command that I'd be using. Normally I'd use rsync, but this situation can sustain some downtime to ensure a complete and utter mirror. If you want to use dump/restore to copy the root partition from ad0s1a to ad4s1a you can use: # newfs -L NEWROOT /dev/ad4s1a # mount -t ufs /dev/ufs/NEWROOT /mnt # cd /mnt # dump -0auL -C 32 -f - / | restore -rf - When this is run in single-user mode, the partiion mounted at /mnt should have a copy of the root filesystem. Repeat the dump-restore pipe for other filesystems, e.g.: # newfs -L NEWDATA /dev/ad4s2a # mount -t ufs /dev/ufs/NEWDATA /mnt/data # cd /mnt/data # dump -0auL -C 32 -f - /data | restore -rf - # newfs -L NEWHOME /dev/ad4s3a # mount -t ufs /dev/ufs/NEWHOME /mnt/home # cd /mnt/home # dump -0auL -C 32 -f - /home | restore -rf - ... When you have dumped all your filesystems to properly mounted graft points under /mnt, update /mnt/etc/fstab and boot the new disk. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portsnap and portupgrade question
On Thu, 27 May 2010 08:23:58 +0200, Coert lgro...@waagmeester.co.za wrote: First I completed the freebsd-update Then I ran portupgrade -av Then I ran portsnap. It's a bit confusing to me. Why do you first update your installed ports, then the ports database? I would thing it would make more sense in reverse order, i. e. 1. freebsd-update This updates your operating system in binary way. 2. portsnap This brings your ports tree up to date 3. portupgrade -av This updates your installed ports. If you don't have much ports installed, or when you're just beginning to install a system, perform steps 1 and 2 first, then install portupgrade (or portmaster, another great tool), and then install everything else. This way you will receive the latest versions of the ports. If you wish to upgrade your installed system, perform steps 1, 2 and 3 in the proper manner. When I decided what to make PACKAGESITE I picked 8.0-RELEASE (not STABLE or CURRENT). As you updated your system with freebsd-update to follow the -RELEASE-p- branch, this is valid. Now here is my question. After I ran portsnap fetch extract, I ran portupgrade and got quite a fright. What does portsnap want to download? 8.0-RELEASE or STABLE? The portsnap program does usually download the latest version of the ports collection. Remember that ports do always get updated, there basically is no -RELEASE, -STABLE or -CURRENT branch for the ports as it is for the OS. I did not mirror the ports because that would be really big, so it will cost me a lot of time to upgrade with portupgrade. The ports tree itself is not that big - but installed applications can be. A portupgrade -av call would only upgrade your installed packages, not all that exist in ports tree. Is there a way to do this with the binary packages instead? Or am I doing something wrong? Yes, see the excellent documentation in man portupgrade: There are the -P and -PP switches (and -p might be interesting to you, too, to store and maybe transfer upgraded packages to other systems). Additionally, there's pkg_add -r to install binary packages. You can either install Latest or those refering to -RELEASE, depending on what PACKAGESITE or PACKAGEROOT are set; refer to man pkg_add for a better explaination. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portsnap and portupgrade question
Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 27 May 2010 08:23:58 +0200, Coert lgro...@waagmeester.co.za wrote: First I completed the freebsd-update Then I ran portupgrade -av Then I ran portsnap. It's a bit confusing to me. Why do you first update your installed ports, then the ports database? I would thing it would make more sense in reverse order, i. e. 1. freebsd-update This updates your operating system in binary way. 2. portsnap This brings your ports tree up to date 3. portupgrade -av This updates your installed ports. If you don't have much ports installed, or when you're just beginning to install a system, perform steps 1 and 2 first, then install portupgrade (or portmaster, another great tool), and then install everything else. This way you will receive the latest versions of the ports. If you wish to upgrade your installed system, perform steps 1, 2 and 3 in the proper manner. When I decided what to make PACKAGESITE I picked 8.0-RELEASE (not STABLE or CURRENT). As you updated your system with freebsd-update to follow the -RELEASE-p- branch, this is valid. Now here is my question. After I ran portsnap fetch extract, I ran portupgrade and got quite a fright. What does portsnap want to download? 8.0-RELEASE or STABLE? The portsnap program does usually download the latest version of the ports collection. Remember that ports do always get updated, there basically is no -RELEASE, -STABLE or -CURRENT branch for the ports as it is for the OS. I did not mirror the ports because that would be really big, so it will cost me a lot of time to upgrade with portupgrade. The ports tree itself is not that big - but installed applications can be. A portupgrade -av call would only upgrade your installed packages, not all that exist in ports tree. Is there a way to do this with the binary packages instead? Or am I doing something wrong? Yes, see the excellent documentation in man portupgrade: There are the -P and -PP switches (and -p might be interesting to you, too, to store and maybe transfer upgraded packages to other systems). Additionally, there's pkg_add -r to install binary packages. You can either install Latest or those refering to -RELEASE, depending on what PACKAGESITE or PACKAGEROOT are set; refer to man pkg_add for a better explaination. Hello Polytropon, The order of operations makes sense. I ran it that way now I checked the man page, and the -PP option is indeed what I am looking for. What I do see though, portupgrade is attempting to download the STABLE packages and not RELEASE. I have read nearly all of Chapter 24, and I looked at Chapter 4 as well. And I have scrunged through portsnap and portupgrade's man pages, but I can not yet find a way to force it to use RELEASE. I apologize if this is maybe a stupid noob thing Should I maybe not have used portsnap, so as to keep to ports tree that came with the release? Is there a way to get the original release ports tree back? Or should I maybe just be using STABLE? Here is what I get when I run portupgrade -PPanv --- Checking for the latest package of 'net/rsync' --- Found a package of 'net/rsync': /var/packages/FreeBSD/8.0-release-i386/Latest/rsync.tbz (rsync-3.0.6) --- Fetching the package(s) for 'rsync-3.0.7' (net/rsync) --- Fetching rsync-3.0.7 ++ Will try the following sites in the order named: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org//pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.0-release/ --- Invoking a command: /usr/bin/fetch -o '/var/tmp/portupgradeINlbeDr0/rsync-3.0.7.tbz' 'ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.0-release/All/rsync-3.0.7.tbz' fetch: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.0-release/All/rsync-3.0.7.tbz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) ** The command returned a non-zero exit status: 1 ** Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.0-release/All/rsync-3.0.7.tbz --- Invoking a command: /usr/bin/fetch -o '/var/tmp/portupgradeINlbeDr0/rsync-3.0.7.tgz' 'ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.0-release/All/rsync-3.0.7.tgz' fetch: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.0-release/All/rsync-3.0.7.tgz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) ** The command returned a non-zero exit status: 1 ** Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.0-release/All/rsync-3.0.7.tgz ** Failed to fetch rsync-3.0.7 --- Listing the results (+:done / -:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) ! rsync-3.0.7 (fetch error) --- Packages processed: 0 done, 0 ignored, 0 skipped and 1 failed --- Fetching the latest package(s) for 'rsync' (net/rsync) --- Fetching rsync ++ Will try the following sites in the order named: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org//pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.0-release/ --- Invoking a command: /usr/bin/fetch -o '/var/tmp/portupgradeDlJGIGWL/rsync.tbz' 'ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD
top memory usage question
Hello all, Just a question, on Linux the output of top's memory usage looks like this: Mem: 2075424k total, 1760848k used, 314576k free, 151872k buffers Swap: 4192924k total,0k used, 4192924k free, 1214052k cached on FreeBSD: Mem: 48M Active, 945M Inact, 190M Wired, 112M Buf, 804M Free Swap: 4063M Total, 4063M Free I have looked at the respective man pages, and googled. Where can I find out what Active, Inactive, and Wired mean? Thank you, Coert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portsnap and portupgrade question
On Thu, 27 May 2010 10:26:49 +0200, Coert lgro...@waagmeester.co.za wrote: I checked the man page, and the -PP option is indeed what I am looking for. The -PP option forces packages. Keep in mind that it *may* happen that there isn't a package for a specific port, or a package uses the default options of a port (see make config) that won't fit your particular requirements. What I do see though, portupgrade is attempting to download the STABLE packages and not RELEASE. I think it will use the packages that correspond to the version actually present in your ports tree. If you updated your ports tree using portsnap, it's newer than RELEASE. I have read nearly all of Chapter 24, and I looked at Chapter 4 as well. And I have scrunged through portsnap and portupgrade's man pages, but I can not yet find a way to force it to use RELEASE. Just keep your ports tree as it came from the installation CD or DVD. It will then be in the state of RELEASE unless you update it (by portsnap or make update). I apologize if this is maybe a stupid noob thing No need. Should I maybe not have used portsnap, so as to keep to ports tree that came with the release? If you want to track RELEASE for your operating system anyway (by freebsd-update), it's okay to stay with the ports tree in the state of RELEASE. In this case, you can even omit using portupgrade for upgrading, simply because there is nothing to upgrade. :-) If you decide to make a release switch, e. g. from 8.0 to 8.1, it's a good chance to use portupgrade -va at this point in time - after getting the ports tree. Is there a way to get the original release ports tree back? Yes. First, delete /usr/ports. Then get the ports tree from the installation CD or DVD, e. g. by using the sysinstall program. If you want, you can remove everything except the system itself and start all over (of course, only ports will be affected, the system won't). You can obtain the -RELEASE ports tree also from the Internet, download it, and install it. But if you already have installation media, I think it's the easiest way to use this via sysinstall. Or should I maybe just be using STABLE? You have to decide this. If you plan to install once, then use, you can easily go with -RELEASE and its original ports tree. If you think you will want or need to randomly or periodically upgrade all your applications, go with -STABLE. Keep in mind you can't track -STABLE with freebsd-update - there are other means to do this (read man freebsd-update's first paragraph for an explaination why). Here is what I get when I run portupgrade -PPanv [...] ** No package available: net/rsync Why not use pkg_add -r rsync here, with PACKAGESITE / PACKAGEROOT set to the RELEASE subtree on the FreeBSD FTP server? The pkg_add program is intended to be used with binary packages. If you mix using pkg_add and portupgrade (which is possible), don't forget to keep your installed package database up to date (pkgdb -aF). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: top memory usage question
On Thu, 27 May 2010 11:52:15 +0200 Coert lgro...@waagmeester.co.za wrote: Hello all, Just a question, on Linux the output of top's memory usage looks like this: Mem: 2075424k total, 1760848k used, 314576k free, 151872k buffers Swap: 4192924k total,0k used, 4192924k free, 1214052k cached on FreeBSD: Mem: 48M Active, 945M Inact, 190M Wired, 112M Buf, 804M Free Swap: 4063M Total, 4063M Free This is missing Cache I have looked at the respective man pages, and googled. Where can I find out what Active, Inactive, and Wired mean? Active, Inact, Cache , and Free are all part of the same VM lifecycle. When the system need to allocate memory it comes from cache or free. Wired memory wont be paged-out. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portsnap and portupgrade question
Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 27 May 2010 10:26:49 +0200, Coert lgro...@waagmeester.co.za wrote: I checked the man page, and the -PP option is indeed what I am looking for. The -PP option forces packages. Keep in mind that it *may* happen that there isn't a package for a specific port, or a package uses the default options of a port (see make config) that won't fit your particular requirements. What I do see though, portupgrade is attempting to download the STABLE packages and not RELEASE. I think it will use the packages that correspond to the version actually present in your ports tree. If you updated your ports tree using portsnap, it's newer than RELEASE. I have read nearly all of Chapter 24, and I looked at Chapter 4 as well. And I have scrunged through portsnap and portupgrade's man pages, but I can not yet find a way to force it to use RELEASE. Just keep your ports tree as it came from the installation CD or DVD. It will then be in the state of RELEASE unless you update it (by portsnap or make update). I apologize if this is maybe a stupid noob thing No need. Should I maybe not have used portsnap, so as to keep to ports tree that came with the release? If you want to track RELEASE for your operating system anyway (by freebsd-update), it's okay to stay with the ports tree in the state of RELEASE. In this case, you can even omit using portupgrade for upgrading, simply because there is nothing to upgrade. :-) If you decide to make a release switch, e. g. from 8.0 to 8.1, it's a good chance to use portupgrade -va at this point in time - after getting the ports tree. Is there a way to get the original release ports tree back? Yes. First, delete /usr/ports. Then get the ports tree from the installation CD or DVD, e. g. by using the sysinstall program. If you want, you can remove everything except the system itself and start all over (of course, only ports will be affected, the system won't). You can obtain the -RELEASE ports tree also from the Internet, download it, and install it. But if you already have installation media, I think it's the easiest way to use this via sysinstall. Or should I maybe just be using STABLE? You have to decide this. If you plan to install once, then use, you can easily go with -RELEASE and its original ports tree. If you think you will want or need to randomly or periodically upgrade all your applications, go with -STABLE. Keep in mind you can't track -STABLE with freebsd-update - there are other means to do this (read man freebsd-update's first paragraph for an explaination why). Here is what I get when I run portupgrade -PPanv [...] ** No package available: net/rsync Why not use pkg_add -r rsync here, with PACKAGESITE / PACKAGEROOT set to the RELEASE subtree on the FreeBSD FTP server? The pkg_add program is intended to be used with binary packages. If you mix using pkg_add and portupgrade (which is possible), don't forget to keep your installed package database up to date (pkgdb -aF). Thankyou Polytropon. It is working perfectly now. I have the RELEASE ports tree back, and my system is at 8.0-RELEASE-p3 thanks to freebsd-update. Regards, Coert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
linux cp -u question
Hello all, Is there a FreeBSD equivalent for the linux cp -u ? http://linux.die.net/man/1/cp (-u, --update) Rgds, Coert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: linux cp -u question
rsync is almost certainly a better solution. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Coert lgro...@waagmeester.co.za wrote: Hello all, Is there a FreeBSD equivalent for the linux cp -u ? http://linux.die.net/man/1/cp (-u, --update) Rgds, Coert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Nothing unreal exists. - Kiri-kin-tha's First Law of Metaphysics. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Cloning question
I've written a few howto's on backup/restore/cloning in the past, but now I have a question that I hope to have quickly answered. I'm not looking for criticism on my approach, only on whether it will work. With that said, I'll lay out my scenario and my questions. Scenario: - live web server (300 domains), shut the box down and booted up a copy of the system on new hardware - changed the normal system items (nic, fstab etc) - new box is running fine under old system, but I need to transfer the old system data (all of it...*all* data) to the new disk sub-structure - new box has RAID card, but not compatible w/FBSD - new box has had RAID card disabled, so new disks show up as standard adX drives Questions: - while running the 'new' box under the 'old' system, can I: --- atacontrol create RAID1 ad4 ad6 --- fdisk --- label: to items under /mnt, as to prepare for copy - stop all services (or go into single-user), and dump each slice from orig to new ...if so, please advise of the dump command that I'd be using. Normally I'd use rsync, but this situation can sustain some downtime to ensure a complete and utter mirror. Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
bash-static question..
I was compiling and saw this message.. cc -DPROGRAM='bash' -DCONF_HOSTTYPE='amd64' -DCONF_OSTYPE='freebsd8.0' -DCONF_MACHTYPE='amd64-portbld-freebsd8.0' -DCONF_VENDOR='portbld' -DLOCALEDIR='/usr/local/share/locale' -DPACKAGE='bash' -DSHELL -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I./include -I./lib -I/usr/local/include -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -c y.tab.c /Users/chet/src/bash/src/parse.y: In function 'report_syntax_error': /Users/chet/src/bash/src/parse.y:5486: warning: assignment discards qualifiers from pointer target type /Users/chet.. thats very osx'y .. is that a problem? it compiles fine.. 'just not sure if references to things that don't exist are ok.. :P ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
tricky perl question - ascending order
or maybe in bash.. script/one liner e.g.: input: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pMZPEsMZ i want to make this output from it: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=kH8VxT0A So from the input, i want to make an ascendant order, how many things are under a SOMETHING-XX Does anyone has any perl magic in the pocket, how to do this? :D Thank you very, very much..:\ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: tricky perl question - ascending order
Jozsi == Jozsi Vadkan jozsi.avad...@gmail.com writes:
Jozsi So from the input, i want to make an ascendant order, how many things
Jozsi are under a SOMETHING-XX
So you just want paragraphs ordered by line count?
Something like this, untested:
perl -00 'print map $_-[0], sort { $a-[1] = $b-[1] } map [$_, tr/\n//],
' input output
Keywords: Schwartzian Transform, paragraph mode.
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Re: tricky perl question - ascending order
The solution [i asked Randal L. Schwartz, because i didn't worked, and
he said he just forgot the -e, now it works!!]:
perl -00 -e 'print map $_-[0], sort { $a-[1] = $b-[1] } map [$_,
tr/\n//], ' before.txt after.txt
Thank you!!
Jozsi == Jozsi Vadkan jozsi.avad...@gmail.com writes:
Jozsi So from the input, i want to make an ascendant order, how many things
Jozsi are under a SOMETHING-XX
So you just want paragraphs ordered by line count?
Something like this, untested:
perl -00 'print map $_-[0], sort { $a-[1] = $b-[1] } map [$_, tr/\n//],
' input output
Keywords: Schwartzian Transform, paragraph mode.
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question regarding FTP_PROXY
Hi freebsd folks, I'm having troubles installing some ports because I'm behind a restrictive pf firewall. I've heard that this could be circumvented if I use a ftp_proxy. I have this debian server that can access ftp sites and I installed vsftp on that and checked I can get to that box with ftp. However, if I try this command from my freebsd box: fetch: ftp://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/utilities/screen/screen-4.0.3.tar.gz I get: Not logged in My ftp proxy environment variable in .profile is: FTP_PROXY=ftp://ftp:f...@192.168.2.101:21 (also tried with only ftp://192.168.2.101:21 but no luck) export FTP_PROXY Can anyone help me with this? Thanks Dino ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: question regarding FTP_PROXY
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Dino Vliet dino_vl...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi freebsd folks, I'm having troubles installing some ports because I'm behind a restrictive pf firewall. I've heard that this could be circumvented if I use a ftp_proxy. I have this debian server that can access ftp sites and I installed vsftp on that and checked I can get to that box with ftp. However, if I try this command from my freebsd box: fetch: ftp://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/utilities/screen/screen-4.0.3.tar.gz I get: Not logged in My ftp proxy environment variable in .profile is: FTP_PROXY=ftp://ftp:f...@192.168.2.101:21 (also tried with only ftp://192.168.2.101:21 but no luck) export FTP_PROXY I think you should set FTP_LOGIN and FTP_PASSWORD whith propper credential, or set them whithin the URL. See man(3) fetch. Regards Alberto Mijares ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
ipfilter rules question
I'm using ipfilter on -current. Here's a fragment of the outgoing rules: # ipfstat -on *skip* @14 pass out quick on bge0 proto udp from any to any port = 8649 keep state *skip* @18 pass out log first quick on bge0 all And I see these ipmon entries in /var/log/ipfilter.log: ipmon[765]: 00:01:04.242290 bge0 @0:18 p 137.222.187.221,10280 - 239.2.11.71,8649 PR udp len 20 96 OUT multicast ipmon[765]: 00:01:09.702391 5x bge0 @0:18 p 137.222.187.221,10280 - 239.2.11.71,8649 PR udp len 20 92 OUT multicast ipmon[765]: 00:01:24.062025 7x bge0 @0:18 p 137.222.187.221,10280 - 239.2.11.71,8649 PR udp len 20 92 OUT multicast I don't understand why these packets are not sent via rule 14. Is rule 14 not matched? Or I'm missing someting else? many thanks anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Question not found in FAQs or other documentation
To whom it concerns, I am a relatively basic/amateur computer user and I just noticed today that my recent servers lists Free BSD. I do not knowingly connect to any outside servers and am concerned that any server has been connected to my computer. My question is: how can I prevent this server from ever connecting to my computer again? And anything else I can do to delete this server, this connection I have an Apple powerbook G4 running Mac OS X 10.4.11. I would most appreciate a response. Thank you kindly for your time, Jon ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question not found in FAQs or other documentation
On 5/15/10 5:57 PM, jon wrote: To whom it concerns, Not us, really. This strikes me much more as a Mac OS or local network support issue. I am a relatively basic/amateur computer user and I just noticed today that my recent servers lists Free BSD. Your recent servers list where? We need more details. I suspect you mean Finder-Connect to Server-Recent Servers, but that's just an educated guess. I do not knowingly connect to any outside servers and am concerned that any server has been connected to my computer. You really need to determine what computer on your network(s) identifies itself with the name Free BSD if you wish to track this down. If you dislike the fact that Mac OS X tries to list other computers on your local network, I'd strongly urge you to go into System Preferences and make sure that all sharing services are turned off and that the firewall is turned on with the most locked down set of options. However, keep in mind that Mac OS X likes to list other local computers which make file services available over AFP or SMB, and this does *not* mean that the other computers are connecting to your laptop (although it doesn't rule it out either). My question is: how can I prevent this server from ever connecting to my computer again? And anything else I can do to delete this server, this connection I've seen nothing in your description to indicate that there is a current connection of any type. If it bugs you, what about hitting the clear recent servers button, should that exist in 10.4. (I have nothing older than 10.5 to look at.) And make sure that *your* sharing is off and firewall is on. I have an Apple powerbook G4 running Mac OS X 10.4.11. Upgrade to Mac OS 10.5.8 if your hardware supports it. It's still getting more attention from Apple. -- --Jon Radel j...@radel.com
Re: Question not found in FAQs or other documentation
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 05:57:35PM -0400, jon wrote: To whom it concerns, I am a relatively basic/amateur computer user and I just noticed today that my recent servers lists Free BSD. I do not knowingly connect to any outside servers and am concerned that any server has been connected to my computer. My question is: how can I prevent this server from ever connecting to my computer again? And anything else I can do to delete this server, this connection Out of curiosity, I looked in the Recent Servers list in a couple of Macs that I have, and the only thing I could find were local file servers. A server is a process that accepts requests for services. Typically, they don't iniciate connections. As near as I can tell from the Mac documentation, the Recent Servers list is a list of servers that you've connected to, and nothing more. I suggest clicking on the item in your Recent Servers list and finding out what you connect to. If you have any further questions you should post them in a Mac forum, since the question of which servers you've been connected to really has nothing to do with the Free BSD operating system. Best of luck. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
rookie question about PACKAGESITE
Hello all, I started using FreeBSD about a week ago, and I really like the system. Have been using Linux for the last few years. One noob question though, according to the Handbook on Packages and Ports, I can use packages for either RELEASE, STABLE, or CURRENT. How exactly would this compare to Linux? Is it that CURRENT is like Fedora(bleeding-edge and somewhat unstable), and STABLE is like RedHat Enterprise Linux (older versions of software, but very stable)? Which one should I use? I am currently using RELEASE. I am not looking for bleeding edge. I'm after stability. Kind regards, Coert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: rookie question about PACKAGESITE
Hey hey Coert Nice to see another GLUG member on here. The link below will answer you're question. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable.html In general give the FreeBSD Handbook a read, in my concerted little opinion it is the gold standard in how any operating system should be documented. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Coert lgro...@waagmeester.co.za wrote: Hello all, I started using FreeBSD about a week ago, and I really like the system. Have been using Linux for the last few years. One noob question though, according to the Handbook on Packages and Ports, I can use packages for either RELEASE, STABLE, or CURRENT. How exactly would this compare to Linux? Is it that CURRENT is like Fedora(bleeding-edge and somewhat unstable), and STABLE is like RedHat Enterprise Linux (older versions of software, but very stable)? Which one should I use? I am currently using RELEASE. I am not looking for bleeding edge. I'm after stability. Kind regards, Coert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Alva Edison Inventor of 1093 patents, including: The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: rookie question about PACKAGESITE
On Tue, 11 May 2010 13:42:52 +0200 Coert lgro...@waagmeester.co.za wrote: Hello all, I started using FreeBSD about a week ago, and I really like the system. Have been using Linux for the last few years. One noob question though, according to the Handbook on Packages and Ports, I can use packages for either RELEASE, STABLE, or CURRENT. Current is bleeding edge, STABLE branches are stable development branches, but these all relate to the base system. As far as packages are concerned, they should be be built for the base system version you are using - you can mostly get away with using STABLE packages on releases, but it can cause problems. If you want to keep to keep packages up-to-date between releases, update via ports. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: bash while read question
2010/5/5 CyberLeo Kitsana cyber...@cyberleo.net: On 05/05/2010 08:25 PM, Evuraan wrote: I cant figure out why the variable in in loop2 does not hike to +1? (its a friday, i am dazed, I admit. but this should not be a mystery!) any help would be much appreciated. snip $ cat loop2 #! /bin/bash date /tmp/somefile b=1 cat /tmp/somefile | while read blah; do let b=(b+1) done echo variable is $b This particular syntax executes the 'while' block in a subshell. The variables set or altered in the subshell are never propagated back up to the parent shell. duh, i get it now, anytime stuff is piped , a subshell is evoked: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/subshells.html says, snip Redirecting I/O to a subshell uses the | pipe operator, as in ls -al | (command). /snip thanks for the reset..! -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
bash while read question
I cant figure out why the variable in in loop2 does not hike to +1? (its a friday, i am dazed, I admit. but this should not be a mystery!) any help would be much appreciated. $ cat loop1 #! /bin/bash date /tmp/somefile b=1 while read blah; do let b=(b+1) done /tmp/somefile echo variable is $b $ cat loop2 #! /bin/bash date /tmp/somefile b=1 cat /tmp/somefile | while read blah; do let b=(b+1) done echo variable is $b $ ./loop1 variable is 2 $ ./loop2 variable is 1 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: bash while read question
On 05/05/2010 08:25 PM, Evuraan wrote: I cant figure out why the variable in in loop2 does not hike to +1? (its a friday, i am dazed, I admit. but this should not be a mystery!) any help would be much appreciated. snip $ cat loop2 #! /bin/bash date /tmp/somefile b=1 cat /tmp/somefile | while read blah; do let b=(b+1) done echo variable is $b This particular syntax executes the 'while' block in a subshell. The variables set or altered in the subshell are never propagated back up to the parent shell. -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net cyber...@cyberleo.net Furry Peace! - http://.fur.com/peace/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 01 May 2010 11:59:52 +0100, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: Seriously? Or joking? How did you measure it? Well... erm... in fact... I didn't measure anything, I just utilized the numbers. :-) Modern PCs come with a 700 W power supply (and more), and the specs for my AS/400e 9406-170 say 654 W with expansion unit (326 W without), measured kVA values (according to manual) are similar. Weight is 70.5 kg, and size is two big towers side by side. Well plenty of people have replied since so no more to add , except you may well win on watts per kilogram :) My 2 year old desktop uses 60-100 watts depending on how hard it's working. Sounds like a notebook / laptop class computer. No it really is a desktop, AMD 3500+ dual core, onboard graphics, but not including the screen. 10 disks and lots of noise must use a few watts, though size and weight wouldn't have that much influence per se :) But it's more than 10 years old, too old to seriously measure something! :-) but seriously its worth measuring if you want to control your energy use. I measured electricity use of my work computer, a standard dell machine. Consumption while in (Windows) shutdown mode is one third of 'in use' consumption and it is in use for about one quarter of the time. So if I don't turn it off at the mains (wall) socket it uses as much electricity while not in use as while in use. Getting anyone to take notice in a corporate environment is impossible but that's another story sigh! Chris ps sorry OP, getting a bit OT ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
yo; it's late here [even i've wimped out:: no-ooo-ooo!]
so i'll reply come morning. ('sall ready 'tomorrow':)
-g
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 05:20:55AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:03:50 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 04:19:13AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:57:08 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
i've never been anything near the extreme-green movement. i
figured that newer computers/cpus/etc would be more efficient
than what came before.
Oh, you mean that a modern desktop PC consumes as much power
as my old AS/400e with 10 hard disk drives - as loud a a common
PC, 2 times as big and 4 times as heavy? :-)
Yeah, gee-whiz :)
Incorrect values: 4 times as big and 8 times as heavy - but
the same power consumption. :-)
i've thought about this for at Least ten years why not
have 4 CRT's or xterminals hanging off one very beefy
machine? but do they have anything with graphics and
keyboard + mouse that can work via one USB port/jack?
Don't confuse my use of network terminal with classic serial
terminals. Look, for example, at the devices AXEL builds, or
already present for many years: Sun Ray terminals. They also
have audio I/O, card reader, and USB connectors (where the
keyboard and mouse usually are connected). A regular monitor
(maybe with speakers) makes it a full-featured workstation.
But no data users can mess around with, and its power requirements
are really low.
Our university's library had many of them, and I liked them
because they were completely silent (in difference to the
boring beige PC boxes they scattered around the library).
You can find specs of an AXEL terminal as exemple here:
http://www.axel.com/usa2/prod_ax3.html?mv2_pos=1
They're calling it thin client, but it's terminal. A box
where you plug in a screen and a keyboard and connect it
to a network IS a terminal. :-)
i'm
sure my wasted cycles could be put to very good use.
Today's average users are treating their high-end HPC PCs
as worse typewriters, so there are enough cycles to use. :-)
but it
would mean haning off a second display/kybd/mouse.
Which is no problem using network terminals, everything you need
is a LAN (or maybe even WLAN) connection.
Still, multiple GPUs is possible, but results in a major raise
of power consumption (because you have to use a modern GPU).
Multiple input devices is no problem via USB.
the ARM/A-9 chip looks great. its a RISC chip that is super
efficient. gang four A9's in one package:: low power and at
least 2GHZ the only drawback is that the a9 is only
32bits. So we cannot try to calcale the 7th root of
infinity, :-)
ARM is an efficient platform in terms of energy, and I think
it will be more and more important in the future, especially
if you consider the mobile devices market. And when it's good
at running on battery, it's good on running on AC power. When
the industry comes up with extra new energy efficient PC
hardware, we already know that it existed for years. :-)
i mean, come-on-people, get real. 4G of ram
ought to be Plenty!!
Hey, 640 kB should be enough for everyone. :-)
i'm trying to// or i'm =thinking about= getting rid of my
pfSense machine. i used ifp for *yesrs* with no breakins.
So NOBODY got into my poetry!!
That's what they want to make you believe. :-)
according to my /var/log/foo.log files, the only crackins
were from kiddie-scripters. i squashed them.
By using means of blocking for known script-kiddie sources, you
can get rid of a lot of useless traffic - and possible trouble.
--
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Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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Solved - Atheros AR9285 on FreeBSD-8 [WAS: Re: Wireless networking question]
Hello Chip, On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:03:21 -0700 Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: On Apr 30 2010 13:39, S Roberts wrote: Hello Chip, Good to hear from you.., On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:52:13 -0700 Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: On Apr 26 2010 22:00, Carl Chave wrote: More info: I found the following in the output of pciconf -vl: no...@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x10891a3b chip=0x002b168c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.' class = network From here: http://www.pcidatabase.com/vendor_details.php?id=174 It looks like someone has already patched 8.0-STABLE: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=6310highlight=Atheros+AR9285 The link to the .diff file 404's now, though. How can I get a copy? Or maybe I should just upgrade to STABLE? Well.., personally, I'd ping the patch author to confirm, but Yes, bumping to next STABLE would be the preferred option myself.., Regards, S Roberts Just for closure: upgrading to 8.0-STABLE went smoothly, and the wireless device works! Excellent - good to hear you got it all working. For posterity, I've updated the Subject Line so that others may benefit from this.., Regards, S Roberts Thanks for the help. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:03:50 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 04:19:13AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:57:08 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: i've never been anything near the extreme-green movement. i figured that newer computers/cpus/etc would be more efficient than what came before. Oh, you mean that a modern desktop PC consumes as much power as my old AS/400e with 10 hard disk drives - as loud a a common PC, 2 times as big and 4 times as heavy? :-) Yeah, gee-whiz :) Incorrect values: 4 times as big and 8 times as heavy - but the same power consumption. :-) Seriously? Or joking? How did you measure it? My 2 year old desktop uses 60-100 watts depending on how hard it's working. 10 disks and lots of noise must use a few watts, though size and weight wouldn't have that much influence per se :) Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On Sat, 01 May 2010 11:59:52 +0100, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: Seriously? Or joking? How did you measure it? Well... erm... in fact... I didn't measure anything, I just utilized the numbers. :-) Modern PCs come with a 700 W power supply (and more), and the specs for my AS/400e 9406-170 say 654 W with expansion unit (326 W without), measured kVA values (according to manual) are similar. Weight is 70.5 kg, and size is two big towers side by side. My 2 year old desktop uses 60-100 watts depending on how hard it's working. Sounds like a notebook / laptop class computer. 10 disks and lots of noise must use a few watts, though size and weight wouldn't have that much influence per se :) But it's more than 10 years old, too old to seriously measure something! :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 03:55:43PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 01 May 2010 11:59:52 +0100, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: Seriously? Or joking? How did you measure it? Well... erm... in fact... I didn't measure anything, I just utilized the numbers. :-) Modern PCs come with a 700 W power supply (and more) Some modern PCs come with such hefty power supplies. Most come with far more modest power supplies. A typical modern PC (not one equipped with the absolutely fastest CPU and graphics card, but rather one intended for office use) normally draw less than 200W under load. If you take a modern PC optimized for low power consumption (such as a laptop) it will draw less than 50W under load. (For really low-power computers it will be less than 30W.) , and the specs for my AS/400e 9406-170 say 654 W with expansion unit (326 W without), measured kVA values (according to manual) are similar. Weight is 70.5 kg, and size is two big towers side by side. My 2 year old desktop uses 60-100 watts depending on how hard it's working. Sounds like a notebook / laptop class computer. 10 disks and lots of noise must use a few watts, though size and weight wouldn't have that much influence per se :) But it's more than 10 years old, too old to seriously measure something! :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On 1/05/2010 11:55 PM, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 01 May 2010 11:59:52 +0100, Chris Whitehousecwhi...@onetel.com wrote: Seriously? Or joking? How did you measure it? Well... erm... in fact... I didn't measure anything, I just utilized the numbers. :-) Modern PCs come with a 700 W power supply (and more), and the specs for my AS/400e 9406-170 say 654 W with expansion unit (326 W without), measured kVA values (according to manual) are similar. Weight is 70.5 kg, and size is two big towers side by side. You seem to be assuming that a desktop PC draws 100% of its rated current all the time, which I'm happy to say is not the case. Unlike the AS400, where the PSU is sized specifically for the system, a PC power supply is sized for a specific output. Vendors and assemblers are free to choose whatever PSU they wish. Also, CPUs and GPUs now lower their core voltage and clock speed if the extra performance is not required. The 45W (or 65W, 73W, 90W, 125W) quoted by CPU vendors is the amount of power they are reasonably expected to draw under heavy load, not the idle or average draw. My 2 year old desktop uses 60-100 watts depending on how hard it's working. Sounds like a notebook / laptop class computer. I can assure you it is not. I can show the following examples: Core 2 Duo E7400 (about 3GHz), single 7200rpm disk, embedded graphics and network - 44W to 60W depending on what's happening at the time. Adding a discrete GPU (I don't recall the model, but knowing me it's probably a low-end ATI 3000 series) adds 10-30W, again depending on load. Another Core 2 system, an E5200 I think, with 2 x 7200rpm notebook disks, 4GB, embedded graphics and network is also measured at around 45W. I have an overclocked E6300 (running at 2.66GHz, so a 25% overclock), 3GB of RAM, 2 x 7200rpm desktop drives, and a GeForce 7600 that pulls 140W. Note that overclocking generally disables power saving features and increases power use (linear with clock, square with voltage). Servers tend to be worse - I have a matched pair of Acer servers with single 3GHz P4 class Xeons, 2GB of RAM, 3 x 7200rpm disks and dual NICs. Those systems pull 220W and they're the next ones I'm ditching for something that uses less power! All the numbers above are measurements before the PSU input (using the Australian version of the Kill-A-Watt) so include the losses due to the PSU itself. To go back to Gary's question, however, I would suggest that the new Core i3 series of processors, along with a new board, will use substantially less power than is marked on the PSU, especially if he is not continually encoding video, rendering animation or designing the next Sydney Harbour Bridge (replace with your own national monument if desired). I use this in my HTPC, and it's quite capable of supporting two XBox media extenders and encoding 576p video in close enough to real time, all simultaneously; while doing so it's probably using less than 110W of electricity. Dave. -- David Rawling Principal Consultant PD Consulting And Security Mob: +61 412 135 513 Email: d...@pdconsec.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
Polytropon free...@edvax.de writes: On Sat, 01 May 2010 11:59:52 +0100, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: Seriously? Or joking? How did you measure it? Well... erm... in fact... I didn't measure anything, I just utilized the numbers. :-) Modern PCs come with a 700 W power supply (and more), and the specs for my AS/400e 9406-170 say 654 W with expansion unit (326 W without), measured kVA values (according to manual) are similar. Weight is 70.5 kg, and size is two big towers side by side. Knowing the capacity of the power supply (in this case, 700 watts) doesn't tell you any more about how much power it's using right now than knowing my car's top speed would tell you anything about how long it takes me to drive to work. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On Sun, May 02, 2010 at 03:58:36AM +1000, David Rawling wrote: Servers tend to be worse - I have a matched pair of Acer servers with single 3GHz P4 class Xeons, 2GB of RAM, 3 x 7200rpm disks and dual NICs. Those systems pull 220W and they're the next ones I'm ditching for something that uses less power! . . . and they still draw significantly less power than an LCD television plus DVR, even if you add in the power draw of an LCD monitor. If you're really concerned about power consumption, make sure that you look for the bottleneck, just as you would when trying to get better performance out of your computer or your network. Even if your computer is drawing a whole lot of power, you might be better off replacing your television and DVR unit with a computer than replacing the computer with another computer that draws less power. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpKJqK5gsPcO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 05:20:55AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:03:50 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 04:19:13AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:57:08 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: i've never been anything near the extreme-green movement. i figured that newer computers/cpus/etc would be more efficient than what came before. Oh, you mean that a modern desktop PC consumes as much power as my old AS/400e with 10 hard disk drives - as loud a a common PC, 2 times as big and 4 times as heavy? :-) Yeah, gee-whiz :) Incorrect values: 4 times as big and 8 times as heavy - but the same power consumption. :-) i've thought about this for at Least ten years why not have 4 CRT's or xterminals hanging off one very beefy machine? but do they have anything with graphics and keyboard + mouse that can work via one USB port/jack? Don't confuse my use of network terminal with classic serial terminals. Look, for example, at the devices AXEL builds, or already present for many years: Sun Ray terminals. They also have audio I/O, card reader, and USB connectors (where the keyboard and mouse usually are connected). A regular monitor (maybe with speakers) makes it a full-featured workstation. But no data users can mess around with, and its power requirements are really low. Our university's library had many of them, and I liked them because they were completely silent (in difference to the boring beige PC boxes they scattered around the library). You can find specs of an AXEL terminal as exemple here: http://www.axel.com/usa2/prod_ax3.html?mv2_pos=1 They're calling it thin client, but it's terminal. A box where you plug in a screen and a keyboard and connect it to a network IS a terminal. :-) i'll check it out when i'm using evo or kmail. i'm using my olden mutt rt now. with me, one issue is that i just bought a 20 widescreen that i use [via KVA] for most of my computers. o/wise, i like the idea. sure save on power; maybe even help save the Earth, altho it may be too late. i'm sure my wasted cycles could be put to very good use. Today's average users are treating their high-end HPC PCs as worse typewriters, so there are enough cycles to use. :-) yeah, you can put that in a do-loop ... i do more reading/research theses days, so not even a fancy typewriter!! but it would mean haning off a second display/kybd/mouse. Which is no problem using network terminals, everything you need is a LAN (or maybe even WLAN) connection. i do have a [TINY] LAN. i use ssh mostly, but kvm too. Still, multiple GPUs is possible, but results in a major raise of power consumption (because you have to use a modern GPU). Multiple input devices is no problem via USB. the ARM/A-9 chip looks great. its a RISC chip that is super efficient. gang four A9's in one package:: low power and at least 2GHZ the only drawback is that the a9 is only 32bits. So we cannot try to calcale the 7th root of infinity, :-) ARM is an efficient platform in terms of energy, and I think it will be more and more important in the future, especially if you consider the mobile devices market. And when it's good at running on battery, it's good on running on AC power. When the industry comes up with extra new energy efficient PC hardware, we already know that it existed for years. :-) at the linux meeting last month someone mentioned that the ARM chip might be a good place for the linux/free-OS types to do major work. the parts for the A9 are already available. or almost. it wouldn't take much to build a very effivirnt pc-class box. max it out with 4g of ram, and maybe 64g of SSD. linux, bsd, save-the-earth lowpower? it is coming; just a matter of who wants to be a zillionaire... . i mean, come-on-people, get real. 4G of ram ought to be Plenty!! Hey, 640 kB should be enough for everyone. :-) lolololol. (best laugh this week) i'm trying to// or i'm =thinking about= getting rid of my pfSense machine. i used ifp for *yesrs* with no breakins. So NOBODY got into my poetry!! That's what they want to make you believe. :-) according to my /var/log/foo.log files, the only crackins were from kiddie-scripters. i squashed them. By using means of blocking for known script-kiddie sources, you can get rid of a lot of useless traffic - and possible trouble. i ran my script every few hours for 6, 8 months, then finally had no more hits. there is a finite number of those kiddies:) gary -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On Sun, May 02, 2010 at 03:58:36AM +1000, David Rawling wrote: On 1/05/2010 11:55 PM, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 01 May 2010 11:59:52 +0100, Chris Whitehousecwhi...@onetel.com wrote: [[ ]] Core 2 Duo E7400 (about 3GHz), single 7200rpm disk, embedded graphics and network - 44W to 60W depending on what's happening at the time. Adding a discrete GPU (I don't recall the model, but knowing me it's probably a low-end ATI 3000 series) adds 10-30W, again depending on load. interesting that a 2-core is about what my ibm thinkpad 3.08ghz is rated at. it's from '05, used, natch, and i had ram and a harddrive upgrade. just my 0.02cents' worth. Another Core 2 system, an E5200 I think, with 2 x 7200rpm notebook disks, 4GB, embedded graphics and network is also measured at around 45W. I have an overclocked E6300 (running at 2.66GHz, so a 25% overclock), 3GB of RAM, 2 x 7200rpm desktop drives, and a GeForce 7600 that pulls 140W. Note that overclocking generally disables power saving features and increases power use (linear with clock, square with voltage). Servers tend to be worse - I have a matched pair of Acer servers with single 3GHz P4 class Xeons, 2GB of RAM, 3 x 7200rpm disks and dual NICs. Those systems pull 220W and they're the next ones I'm ditching for something that uses less power! i leave most of my boxen running 24/7, so it adds up. when my new 2005 custom-built 2.8ghz box died last fall, i hauled it out. i did have to buy the new Dell Core Duo (or whatever); that was months of head banging and begging favors. and because my kvm wires are not plugged in correctly, i can't get to the server to (1) add X11 + KDE and (2) do anything graphic with ~kline on that system. so waiting for somebody i can ask to come over and figure out what's going on. THEN, i'll add my backup 2- or 4-core box as a server backup and to run pc-bsd on. All the numbers above are measurements before the PSU input (using the Australian version of the Kill-A-Watt) so include the losses due to the PSU itself. To go back to Gary's question, however, I would suggest that the new Core i3 series of processors, along with a new board, will use substantially less power than is marked on the PSU, especially if he is not continually encoding video, rendering animation or designing the next Sydney Harbour Bridge (replace with your own national monument if desired). I use this in my HTPC, and it's quite capable of supporting two XBox media extenders and encoding 576p video in close enough to real time, all simultaneously; while doing so it's probably using less than 110W of electricity. :-) more decoding than ecoding since i watch a lot of public tv streams. because the house is only around 15meter above sea level, i'm keep an eye out for how how the sound rises here in seattle. i'm thinking of planting some palm trees and retiring to Nome eventually... . (do you hear these idjots who still believe the earth if flat and that global warming is a commie plot || whatever? ...i just snap off the radio!) thanks for the core i3 series advice, dave. i'll surf around. gary :wq Dave. -- David Rawling Principal Consultant PD Consulting And Security Mob: +61 412 135 513 Email: d...@pdconsec.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org 99 44/100% Guaranteed Novel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 12:32:49PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, May 02, 2010 at 03:58:36AM +1000, David Rawling wrote: Servers tend to be worse - I have a matched pair of Acer servers with single 3GHz P4 class Xeons, 2GB of RAM, 3 x 7200rpm disks and dual NICs. Those systems pull 220W and they're the next ones I'm ditching for something that uses less power! . . . and they still draw significantly less power than an LCD television plus DVR, even if you add in the power draw of an LCD monitor. If you're really concerned about power consumption, make sure that you look for the bottleneck, just as you would when trying to get better performance out of your computer or your network. Even if your computer is drawing a whole lot of power, you might be better off replacing your television and DVR unit with a computer than replacing the computer with another computer that draws less power. hmm. a year++ ago i bought a hidef tv for around $1K. (remember, guys, your wives are going to want [[order you]] to buy a $zillion wood enclousure. whatever it's called. 20' long stand, cabinet+shelves. plus this totally useless But pricey thing on top that runs across the cabinets. so yeah, we got rid of our olden 400w tv set and vcr.) in short, do it because it's thhe right thing, not necessarily the most cost effective thing. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org 99 44/100% Guaranteed Novel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 03:33:29PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: hmm. a year++ ago i bought a hidef tv for around $1K. (remember, guys, your wives are going to want [[order you]] to buy a $zillion wood enclousure. whatever it's called. 20' long stand, cabinet+shelves. plus this totally useless But pricey thing on top that runs across the cabinets. so yeah, we got rid of our olden 400w tv set and vcr.) in short, do it because it's thhe right thing, not necessarily the most cost effective thing. Well, of course (and the wooden enclosure is usually an entertainment center). I was speaking of the most value per purchase in terms of power consumption, not dollars spent. How much you're actually spending is for you to sort out. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp0EXmaaDsSY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Wireless networking question
Hello Chip, Good to hear from you.., On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:52:13 -0700 Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: On Apr 26 2010 22:00, Carl Chave wrote: More info: I found the following in the output of pciconf -vl: no...@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x10891a3b chip=0x002b168c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.' class = network From here: http://www.pcidatabase.com/vendor_details.php?id=174 It looks like someone has already patched 8.0-STABLE: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=6310highlight=Atheros+AR9285 The link to the .diff file 404's now, though. How can I get a copy? Or maybe I should just upgrade to STABLE? Well.., personally, I'd ping the patch author to confirm, but Yes, bumping to next STABLE would be the preferred option myself.., Regards, S Roberts ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless networking question
On Apr 30 2010 13:39, S Roberts wrote: Hello Chip, Good to hear from you.., On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:52:13 -0700 Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: On Apr 26 2010 22:00, Carl Chave wrote: More info: I found the following in the output of pciconf -vl: no...@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x10891a3b chip=0x002b168c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.' class = network From here: http://www.pcidatabase.com/vendor_details.php?id=174 It looks like someone has already patched 8.0-STABLE: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=6310highlight=Atheros+AR9285 The link to the .diff file 404's now, though. How can I get a copy? Or maybe I should just upgrade to STABLE? Well.., personally, I'd ping the patch author to confirm, but Yes, bumping to next STABLE would be the preferred option myself.., Regards, S Roberts Just for closure: upgrading to 8.0-STABLE went smoothly, and the wireless device works! Thanks for the help. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | camdensoftware.com | chipstips.com | chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
ziz a dumb question?
i've never been anything near the extreme-green movement. i figured that newer computers/cpus/etc would be more efficient than what came before. still, getting-real, i checked out the power stats for the various chipsets. right now, everybody is racing for efficiency. not here yet. i'm thinking of buying another dell dual-core and using it as a backup Sever. DNS, web, mail. also it would function as my new tao. if the freebsd.ORG wants my present dell, 2.4ghz computer, great. i'll ship it off on my dime. what i'm wondering is:: how good is this PC-BSD at being a server? i mean, if it's good at being a toy [to listen to A/V STreams and other less-nerdy things], it probably can't be that solid on handling DNS ... at least not as well as FreeBSD. If anybody onlist has messed around with PC-BSD for *server* stuff, i'd be very interested in hearing about it. tia, y'all gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org 99 44/100% Guaranteed Novel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:57:08 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: i've never been anything near the extreme-green movement. i figured that newer computers/cpus/etc would be more efficient than what came before. Oh, you mean that a modern desktop PC consumes as much power as my old AS/400e with 10 hard disk drives - as loud a a common PC, 2 times as big and 4 times as heavy? :-) right now, everybody is racing for efficiency. not here yet. I would say racing for efficiency will start if people do recognize that in many settings, networked terminals are a much better solution than one full-featured modern PC per desk. At the moment, industry is just trying to sell energy efficiency to those who are interested in it, but they get the same crap as anybody else, but more expensive. :-) what i'm wondering is:: how good is this PC-BSD at being a server? i mean, if it's good at being a toy [to listen to A/V STreams and other less-nerdy things], it probably can't be that solid on handling DNS ... at least not as well as FreeBSD. Basically, it's still FreeBSD under the hood, so you can run the basic services. Of course, you will have to install them in either of the non-supported ways (i. e. PBI packages usually won't be available for server-centered applications), via pkg_add or by ports. Because GUI operations vs. DNS workload won't be an issue in terms of resource consumption, you probably will be lucky. Serving web pages and maybe streams, and other server stuff will be possible, too. PC-BSD performs acceptably even under load. If anybody onlist has messed around with PC-BSD for *server* stuff, i'd be very interested in hearing about it. In any case, check ports and firewall. PC-BSD intends to make the experience to the user as comfortable as possible. This, sadly, means to abandon well intended means of security. So there may (!) be something that makes your machine interesting for attackers - allthough you don't participate in 99.998% of market share. :-) I've tested PC-BSD on some occiassions, but I never really used it for anything that would allow me to call it a server, so I can't be more specific. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 04:19:13AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:57:08 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: i've never been anything near the extreme-green movement. i figured that newer computers/cpus/etc would be more efficient than what came before. Oh, you mean that a modern desktop PC consumes as much power as my old AS/400e with 10 hard disk drives - as loud a a common PC, 2 times as big and 4 times as heavy? :-) Yeah, gee-whiz :) right now, everybody is racing for efficiency. not here yet. I would say racing for efficiency will start if people do recognize that in many settings, networked terminals are a much better solution than one full-featured modern PC per desk. At the moment, industry is just trying to sell energy efficiency to those who are interested in it, but they get the same crap as anybody else, but more expensive. :-) i've thought about this for at Least ten years why not have 4 CRT's or xterminals hanging off one very beefy machine? but do they have anything with graphics and keyboard + mouse that can work via one USB port/jack? i'm sure my wasted cycles could be put to very good use. but it would mean haning off a second display/kybd/mouse. the ARM/A-9 chip looks great. its a RISC chip that is super efficient. gang four A9's in one package:: low power and at least 2GHZ the only drawback is that the a9 is only 32bits. So we cannot try to calcale the 7th root of infinity, :-) i mean, come-on-people, get real. 4G of ram ought to be Plenty!! what i'm wondering is:: how good is this PC-BSD at being a server? i mean, if it's good at being a toy [to listen to A/V STreams and other less-nerdy things], it probably can't be that solid on handling DNS ... at least not as well as FreeBSD. Basically, it's still FreeBSD under the hood, so you can run the basic services. Of course, you will have to install them in either of the non-supported ways (i. e. PBI packages usually won't be available for server-centered applications), via pkg_add or by ports. Because GUI operations vs. DNS workload won't be an issue in terms of resource consumption, you probably will be lucky. Serving web pages and maybe streams, and other server stuff will be possible, too. PC-BSD performs acceptably even under load. i'm trying to// or i'm =thinking about= getting rid of my pfSense machine. i used ifp for *yesrs* with no breakins. So NOBODY got into my poetry!! If anybody onlist has messed around with PC-BSD for *server* stuff, i'd be very interested in hearing about it. In any case, check ports and firewall. PC-BSD intends to make the experience to the user as comfortable as possible. This, sadly, means to abandon well intended means of security. So there may (!) be something that makes your machine interesting for attackers - allthough you don't participate in 99.998% of market share. :-) according to my /var/log/foo.log files, the only crackins were from kiddie-scripters. i squashed them. I've tested PC-BSD on some occiassions, but I never really used it for anything that would allow me to call it a server, so I can't be more specific. thanks for your POV. any others? it may be that using PC-BSD would mean that pfSense would be wise. i'm just tired of having to use Linux for fun stuff, and it frequently breaks, and relying on FreeBSD too. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org 99 44/100% Guaranteed Novel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:03:50 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 04:19:13AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:57:08 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: i've never been anything near the extreme-green movement. i figured that newer computers/cpus/etc would be more efficient than what came before. Oh, you mean that a modern desktop PC consumes as much power as my old AS/400e with 10 hard disk drives - as loud a a common PC, 2 times as big and 4 times as heavy? :-) Yeah, gee-whiz :) Incorrect values: 4 times as big and 8 times as heavy - but the same power consumption. :-) i've thought about this for at Least ten years why not have 4 CRT's or xterminals hanging off one very beefy machine? but do they have anything with graphics and keyboard + mouse that can work via one USB port/jack? Don't confuse my use of network terminal with classic serial terminals. Look, for example, at the devices AXEL builds, or already present for many years: Sun Ray terminals. They also have audio I/O, card reader, and USB connectors (where the keyboard and mouse usually are connected). A regular monitor (maybe with speakers) makes it a full-featured workstation. But no data users can mess around with, and its power requirements are really low. Our university's library had many of them, and I liked them because they were completely silent (in difference to the boring beige PC boxes they scattered around the library). You can find specs of an AXEL terminal as exemple here: http://www.axel.com/usa2/prod_ax3.html?mv2_pos=1 They're calling it thin client, but it's terminal. A box where you plug in a screen and a keyboard and connect it to a network IS a terminal. :-) i'm sure my wasted cycles could be put to very good use. Today's average users are treating their high-end HPC PCs as worse typewriters, so there are enough cycles to use. :-) but it would mean haning off a second display/kybd/mouse. Which is no problem using network terminals, everything you need is a LAN (or maybe even WLAN) connection. Still, multiple GPUs is possible, but results in a major raise of power consumption (because you have to use a modern GPU). Multiple input devices is no problem via USB. the ARM/A-9 chip looks great. its a RISC chip that is super efficient. gang four A9's in one package:: low power and at least 2GHZ the only drawback is that the a9 is only 32bits. So we cannot try to calcale the 7th root of infinity, :-) ARM is an efficient platform in terms of energy, and I think it will be more and more important in the future, especially if you consider the mobile devices market. And when it's good at running on battery, it's good on running on AC power. When the industry comes up with extra new energy efficient PC hardware, we already know that it existed for years. :-) i mean, come-on-people, get real. 4G of ram ought to be Plenty!! Hey, 640 kB should be enough for everyone. :-) i'm trying to// or i'm =thinking about= getting rid of my pfSense machine. i used ifp for *yesrs* with no breakins. So NOBODY got into my poetry!! That's what they want to make you believe. :-) according to my /var/log/foo.log files, the only crackins were from kiddie-scripters. i squashed them. By using means of blocking for known script-kiddie sources, you can get rid of a lot of useless traffic - and possible trouble. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless networking question
On Apr 26 2010 22:00, Carl Chave wrote: More info: I found the following in the output of pciconf -vl: no...@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x10891a3b chip=0x002b168c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.' class = network From here: http://www.pcidatabase.com/vendor_details.php?id=174 It looks like someone has already patched 8.0-STABLE: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=6310highlight=Atheros+AR9285 The link to the .diff file 404's now, though. How can I get a copy? Or maybe I should just upgrade to STABLE? -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | camdensoftware.com | chipstips.com | chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless networking question
On Apr 26 2010 22:00, Carl Chave wrote: More info: I found the following in the output of pciconf -vl: no...@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x10891a3b chip=0x002b168c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.' class = network From here: http://www.pcidatabase.com/vendor_details.php?id=174 0x002b is Atheros AR9285 Wireless LAN 802.11 a/b/g/n Controller ___ Thanks! That's a great resource. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | camdensoftware.com | chipstips.com | chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless networking question
On Apr 25 2010 22:15, Kevin Kinsey wrote: Let me preface my commentary with I'm way out of my league, so #include disclaimer.h and all that ... For starters, in re: above, didn't someone suggest libpciaccess as the source for scanpci? I can't tell if you are misunderstanding what S Roberts suggested, or I am misunderstanding what you are responding. I'm pretty sure there's some misunderstanding here, though. Thanks for your response, Kevin. I did try rebuilding libpciaccess, to no avail. I also searched elsewhere. I thought we had pciconf output that stated it was an Atheros chipset? In that case, it would be the Azurewave, right? I'd suspect it might be supported under ath(4), but you'd wanna read the manpage and possibly even the source for any kind of confirmation on that; the manpage does specifically say that adapters based on the AR5005VL aren't supported. However, the manpage might be slightly out-of-date, also. Yes, pciconf says Atheros. I guess that does rule out Intel, and I see from a little searching that at least some Azurewave devices use an Atheros chipset. I, too, am a little out of my depth in this region, as is probably obvious from my posts. The other thing I recall seeing is that a new variant of a supported chipset comes out, and the driver code doesn't recognize it even though it might work well. Used to be something like a VENDOR_ID string in the source files; I don't know if it's still the case, but if it was, some people have been able to hack their own device support in rare cases simply by adding the new info to the driver file and recompiling it, but you'd want someone with a lot more $OS_foo than I have to help out with that (or tell you if it's even possible). This is open-source stuff; you might even get sam@ 's attention and get help from the writer himself if you're wearing your lucky sneakers. Yes, I've seen that done with video drivers. Perhaps I'll give it a go with the ath or uath driver, neither of which work for me out of the box (so to speak). Thanks again. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | camdensoftware.com | chipstips.com | chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless networking question
More info: I found the following in the output of pciconf -vl: no...@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x10891a3b chip=0x002b168c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.' class = network From here: http://www.pcidatabase.com/vendor_details.php?id=174 0x002b is Atheros AR9285 Wireless LAN 802.11 a/b/g/n Controller ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question. Multi Boot
On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 11:10 -0500, Jorge Biquez wrote: Hello all. I hope this question does not sound so stupid. I have read archives and do gogled searches but would like , if possible, to hear comments based on experience. I have a machine, pentium D 2.4mhz 2gb RAM, 160DD HD XP Pro. As I mentuioned in other post I installed FreeBSD 7.3 under a virtual machine using vmware. It works fine but seems it is too much for the machine since when I am running it the machine is very slow. I have that FB installation running without graphical interface since that's why I need then. Now I would like to have a graphical interface running to learn to use eclipse and continue with my PHP/Mysql development learning. I know that if I continue under VMware the windows machine will be even more slow so I decided that I would have this machine running with a multi boot schema and choose when to boot under FreeBSd, Windows and later with Linux (looking for a job and in some companies asked me to have the basics of any distribution). The most important is that I need to be able to continue having that actual windows partition without loosing anything or changing anything. What do you think, based on experince, is the safest way to accomplish this? Not quite the exact answer you may be looking for, but why don't you flip the tables a bit and run Window$ as the virtual machine on the FreeBSD as a host? From my experience it actually works much faster, and Window$ doesn't see any penalties at all. I haven't done it in quite some time, but that did work a treat at the time- no reason it should have changed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless networking question
On Apr 24 2010 23:51, S Roberts wrote: I believe its been bundled into the libpciaccess port: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/devel/libpciaccess/ Doesn't seem to be there, and google isn't being helpful. A search of freshports.org didn't turn up anything either. Searching freebsd.org only shows our conversation. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | camdensoftware.com | chipstips.com | chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless networking question
Chip Camden wrote: On Apr 24 2010 23:51, S Roberts wrote: I believe its been bundled into the libpciaccess port: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/devel/libpciaccess/ Doesn't seem to be there, and google isn't being helpful. A search of freshports.org didn't turn up anything either. Searching freebsd.org only shows our conversation. Likely your ports tree is rather out-of-date? The port directory is at /usr/ports/devel/libpciacess, and the import date on the Makefile is May 2008. Or, perhaps ports aren't installed? Try: $pkg_add -r \ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/Packages-8-stable/devel/libpciaccess-0.10.6_1.tbz Kevin Kinsey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless networking question
Hello Chip, On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:10:40 -0700 Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: On Apr 24 2010 23:51, S Roberts wrote: I believe its been bundled into the libpciaccess port: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/devel/libpciaccess/ Doesn't seem to be there, and google isn't being helpful. A search of freshports.org didn't turn up anything either. Searching freebsd.org only shows our conversation. Hmmm.., you sure your ports system is installed / up-to-date there? Do you have any of the docs that would have shipped with the notebook? If not, I searched ASUS, and found a link to the English version manual here: http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-usproduct=3model=K72Ftype=mapf_type=19 I've not downloaded it, so please see if there's anything that can assist. There **are** other resources at the ASUS site - you just have to use the menu on the right to select your particular model and review the list of resources that gets returned.., Hope this helps.., Regards, S Roberts ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless networking question
On Apr 25 2010 21:26, S Roberts wrote: Hmmm.., you sure your ports system is installed / up-to-date there? Do you have any of the docs that would have shipped with the notebook? If not, I searched ASUS, and found a link to the English version manual here: http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-usproduct=3model=K72Ftype=mapf_type=19 I've not downloaded it, so please see if there's anything that can assist. There **are** other resources at the ASUS site - you just have to use the menu on the right to select your particular model and review the list of resources that gets returned.., Hope this helps.., Regards, S Roberts Thanks for the attempt to help, but ports are up-to-date. I'm on 8.0-RELEASE amd64 -- maybe scanpci isn't available on amd64? The download for the manual is exactly the same as the paper manual that came with the notebook. It gives very little technical information. On the web site, all I could find is that it's 802.11n capable, which I already knew from the sales pamphlet. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | camdensoftware.com | chipstips.com | chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless networking question
On Apr 25 2010 16:18, Chip Camden wrote: On Apr 25 2010 21:26, S Roberts wrote: Hmmm.., you sure your ports system is installed / up-to-date there? Do you have any of the docs that would have shipped with the notebook? If not, I searched ASUS, and found a link to the English version manual here: http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-usproduct=3model=K72Ftype=mapf_type=19 I've not downloaded it, so please see if there's anything that can assist. There **are** other resources at the ASUS site - you just have to use the menu on the right to select your particular model and review the list of resources that gets returned.., Hope this helps.., Regards, S Roberts Thanks for the attempt to help, but ports are up-to-date. I'm on 8.0-RELEASE amd64 -- maybe scanpci isn't available on amd64? The download for the manual is exactly the same as the paper manual that came with the notebook. It gives very little technical information. On the web site, all I could find is that it's 802.11n capable, which I already knew from the sales pamphlet. OK -- searching the ASUS site for Windows 7 64bit docs (that's what came on it), I find three possibilities for the wireless device: 1. Intel 1000 2. Intel 6200 3. Azurewave Looks like both of the first two are addressed by driver iwn on OpenBSD, but not on FreeBSD. The third one I don't see anywhere. Looking here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers#FreeBSD Looks like that page was last updated for FreeBSD on April 25. In any case, I tried iwn, and that doesn't work. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | camdensoftware.com | chipstips.com | chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless networking question
Chip Camden wrote: On Apr 25 2010 16:18, Chip Camden wrote: On Apr 25 2010 21:26, S Roberts wrote: Hmmm.., you sure your ports system is installed / up-to-date there? Do you have any of the docs that would have shipped with the notebook? If not, I searched ASUS, and found a link to the English version manual here: http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-usproduct=3model=K72Ftype=mapf_type=19 I've not downloaded it, so please see if there's anything that can assist. There **are** other resources at the ASUS site - you just have to use the menu on the right to select your particular model and review the list of resources that gets returned.., Thanks for the attempt to help, but ports are up-to-date. I'm on 8.0-RELEASE amd64 -- maybe scanpci isn't available on amd64? Let me preface my commentary with I'm way out of my league, so #include disclaimer.h and all that ... For starters, in re: above, didn't someone suggest libpciaccess as the source for scanpci? I can't tell if you are misunderstanding what S Roberts suggested, or I am misunderstanding what you are responding. I'm pretty sure there's some misunderstanding here, though. The download for the manual is exactly the same as the paper manual that came with the notebook. It gives very little technical information. On the web site, all I could find is that it's 802.11n capable, which I already knew from the sales pamphlet. OK -- searching the ASUS site for Windows 7 64bit docs (that's what came on it), I find three possibilities for the wireless device: 1. Intel 1000 2. Intel 6200 3. Azurewave Looks like both of the first two are addressed by driver iwn on OpenBSD, but not on FreeBSD. The third one I don't see anywhere. Looking here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers#FreeBSD Looks like that page was last updated for FreeBSD on April 25. In any case, I tried iwn, and that doesn't work. I thought we had pciconf output that stated it was an Atheros chipset? In that case, it would be the Azurewave, right? I'd suspect it might be supported under ath(4), but you'd wanna read the manpage and possibly even the source for any kind of confirmation on that; the manpage does specifically say that adapters based on the AR5005VL aren't supported. However, the manpage might be slightly out-of-date, also. The other thing I recall seeing is that a new variant of a supported chipset comes out, and the driver code doesn't recognize it even though it might work well. Used to be something like a VENDOR_ID string in the source files; I don't know if it's still the case, but if it was, some people have been able to hack their own device support in rare cases simply by adding the new info to the driver file and recompiling it, but you'd want someone with a lot more $OS_foo than I have to help out with that (or tell you if it's even possible). This is open-source stuff; you might even get sam@ 's attention and get help from the writer himself if you're wearing your lucky sneakers. Kevin Kinsey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Wireless networking question
A new notebook (ASUS K72F) has integrated wireles networking. The technical specifications are sadly lacking, so I don't know what chipset. The wired ethernet appears to use uath, but that's not working as a wlandev. Since most everything else is Intel, I figured it could be an Intel chipset, and since it supports 802.11n, I think its probably in the 6000 series. I tried all the Intel drivers that are listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers#FreeBSD And none of them appeared to work. Looking a little further down, it seems that the Intel 6000 is supported by iwn on OpenBSD, but not on FreeBSD. But I could be barking up the entirely wrong tree. Can anyone shed some light here? Is there any way to query the hardware, short of opening the box (which will void the warranty)? TIA -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | camdensoftware.com | chipstips.com | chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless networking question
Hello Chip, On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:39:47 -0700 Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: A new notebook (ASUS K72F) has integrated wireles networking. The technical specifications are sadly lacking, so I don't know what chipset. The wired ethernet appears to use uath, but that's not working as a wlandev. Since most everything else is Intel, I figured it could be an Intel chipset, and since it supports 802.11n, I think its probably in the 6000 series. I tried all the Intel drivers that are listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers#FreeBSD snipped Can anyone shed some light here? Is there any way to query the hardware, short of opening the box (which will void the warranty)? Easiest option would be to run a livecd of another more populous *nix flavour and see what it makes of the hardware. Needless to say, if you're so bold, you **can** always load windows and let window tell you what it is ;-) Regards, S Roberts TIA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless networking question
On Apr 24 2010 13:39, Chip Camden wrote: A new notebook (ASUS K72F) has integrated wireles networking. The technical specifications are sadly lacking, so I don't know what chipset. The wired ethernet appears to use uath, but that's not working as a wlandev. Since most everything else is Intel, I figured it could be an Intel chipset, and since it supports 802.11n, I think its probably in the 6000 series. I tried all the Intel drivers that are listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers#FreeBSD And none of them appeared to work. Looking a little further down, it seems that the Intel 6000 is supported by iwn on OpenBSD, but not on FreeBSD. But I could be barking up the entirely wrong tree. Can anyone shed some light here? Is there any way to query the hardware, short of opening the box (which will void the warranty)? TIA -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | camdensoftware.com | chipstips.com | chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org More info: I found the following in the output of pciconf -vl: no...@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x10891a3b chip=0x002b168c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.' class = network a...@pci0:3:0:0:class=0x02 card=0x18201043 chip=0x10631969 rev=0xc0 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Attansic (Now owned by Atheros)' class = network subclass = ethernet Looks like the first entry show here is my wireless (guessing), because alc0 is my wired. Any ideas from that what driver I should be using? I've tried 'ifconfig wlan0 create wlandev ath0', as well as ath1..9 and uath0..9, and I always get: ifconfig: SIOCIFCREATE2: Device not configured -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | camdensoftware.com | chipstips.com | chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless networking question
On Apr 24 2010 21:55, S Roberts wrote: snip Easiest option would be to run a livecd of another more populous *nix flavour and see what it makes of the hardware. Needless to say, if you're so bold, you **can** always load windows and let window tell you what it is ;-) Regards, S Roberts The really sad thing is that notebook this came with Windows on it. Next time, I'll make sure I write down everything in Device Manager *before* I wipe Windows off the hard drive. Thanks for the response. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | camdensoftware.com | chipstips.com | chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless networking question
Hello Chip, On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:00:29 -0700 Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: On Apr 24 2010 13:39, Chip Camden wrote: A new notebook (ASUS K72F) has integrated wireles networking. The technical specifications are sadly lacking, so I don't know what chipset. The wired ethernet appears to use uath, but that's not working as a wlandev. Since most everything else is Intel, I figured it could be an Intel chipset, and since it supports 802.11n, I think its probably in the 6000 series. I tried all the Intel drivers that are listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers#FreeBSD And none of them appeared to work. Looking a little further down, it seems that the Intel 6000 is supported by iwn on OpenBSD, but not on FreeBSD. But I could be barking up the entirely wrong tree. Can anyone shed some light here? Is there any way to query the hardware, short of opening the box (which will void the warranty)? TIA snipped More info: I found the following in the output of pciconf -vl: no...@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x10891a3b chip=0x002b168c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.' class = network a...@pci0:3:0:0: class=0x02 card=0x18201043 chip=0x10631969 rev=0xc0 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Attansic (Now owned by Atheros)' class = network subclass = ethernet Not a whole lot there.., Does scanpci -v tell you any more details about the hardware? Regards, S Roberts Looks like the first entry show here is my wireless (guessing), because alc0 is my wired. Any ideas from that what driver I should be using? I've tried 'ifconfig wlan0 create wlandev ath0', as well as ath1..9 and uath0..9, and I always get: ifconfig: SIOCIFCREATE2: Device not configured ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless networking question
On Apr 24 2010 22:07, S Roberts wrote: Not a whole lot there.., Does scanpci -v tell you any more details about the hardware? Regards, S Roberts I don't seem to have scanpci on my system, nor do I see it in the ports tree -- where would I find it? Thanks -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | camdensoftware.com | chipstips.com | chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless networking question
Hello Chip, On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:00:34 -0700 Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: On Apr 24 2010 22:07, S Roberts wrote: Not a whole lot there.., Does scanpci -v tell you any more details about the hardware? Regards, S Roberts I don't seem to have scanpci on my system, nor do I see it in the ports tree -- where would I find it? I believe its been bundled into the libpciaccess port: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/devel/libpciaccess/ Hope that helps.., Regards, S Roberts Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
pf icmp6 question
Hi! Could please someone explain me the difference between pass quick inet6 proto icmp6 all keep state - IPv6 works only within switch collision domain AND pass quick proto icmp6 all keep state - IPv6 works globaly for whole internet IPv6 is staticaly set everywhere, none of routers or servers have stateless IPs. Thank you! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
question about FreeBSD installing
hi I have a problem when I try to install FreeBSD as client OS on a Linux OS. following the instruction I find that I can't open the website of www.fsmware.com to finish some download work. it seems that the dns server don't support the address in China Mainland. do you have any way to solve the problem? -- -thanks -yuehui ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: question about FreeBSD installing
王跃辉 wrote: hi I have a problem when I try to install FreeBSD as client OS on a Linux OS. Sorry, but this does not make any sense to me. How are you trying to install FreeBSD on Linux? FreeBSD is an operating system, not an application. following the instruction I find that I can't open the website of www.fsmware.com to finish some download work. If you want to learn how to install FreeBSD you should start with The Handbook: English: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html another alternative: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/zh_CN.GB2312/books/handbook/index.html You may notice there is no mention of any downloading from www.fsmware.com. Perhaps the instructions you are trying to follow are incorrect? The Handbook might be better as it is the official documentation for FreeBSD. it seems that the dns server don't support the address in China Mainland. do you have any way to solve the problem? Nope. It is a problem with government politics in China and not FreeBSD related. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: question about FreeBSD installing
Hello! I presume you are talking about running FreeBSD as a guest OS in Xen or the like. Let me point you to this URL, it contains a lot of useful information on what you're seeking. The fsmware.com website seems down, and has been for awhile. The documentation is just out of date. http://wiki.freebsd.org/AdrianChadd Take Care! - Don 王跃辉 wyh1...@gmail.com 04/21/10 10:21 AM hi I have a problem when I try to install FreeBSD as client OS on a Linux OS. following the instruction I find that I can't open the website of www.fsmware.com to finish some download work. it seems that the dns server don't support the address in China Mainland. do you have any way to solve the problem? -- -thanks -yuehui ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: question about FreeBSD installing
王跃辉 wyh1...@gmail.com 04/21/10 10:21 AM hi I have a problem when I try to install FreeBSD as client OS on a Linux OS. following the instruction I find that I can't open the website of www.fsmware.com to finish some download work. it seems that the dns server don't support the address in China Mainland. do you have any way to solve the problem? -- -thanks -yuehui ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Sorry for my previous top-post, was a mistake! I forgot to mention, check out this website as well, it has instructions for running 8.0 in paravirtualization mode in Xen. http://www.ita.com.ua/eng/articles.htm?id=34 - Don ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: question about FreeBSD installing
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Michael Powell nightre...@hotmail.com wrote: 王跃辉 wrote: hi I have a problem when I try to install FreeBSD as client OS on a Linux OS. Sorry, but this does not make any sense to me. How are you trying to install FreeBSD on Linux? FreeBSD is an operating system, not an application. It's quite simple, he wants to host a virtualized FreeBSD ontop of a Linux server OS. following the instruction I find that I can't open the website of www.fsmware.com to finish some download work. it seems that the dns server don't support the address in China Mainland. do you have any way to solve the problem? Uhm no idea where the www.fsmware.com domain comes into anything,... sorry cant help here. Nope. It is a problem with government politics in China and not FreeBSD related. Actually nothing to do with Chinese politics, the http server attached to the hostname www.fsmware.com is genuinely down. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: question about FreeBSD installing
On Wednesday 21 April 2010 16:50:20 Ross Cameron wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Michael Powell nightre...@hotmail.com wrote: 王跃辉 wrote: hi I have a problem when I try to install FreeBSD as client OS on a Linux OS. Sorry, but this does not make any sense to me. How are you trying to install FreeBSD on Linux? FreeBSD is an operating system, not an application. It's quite simple, he wants to host a virtualized FreeBSD ontop of a Linux server OS. following the instruction I find that I can't open the website of www.fsmware.com to finish some download work. it seems that the dns server don't support the address in China Mainland. do you have any way to solve the problem? Uhm no idea where the www.fsmware.com domain comes into anything,... sorry cant help here. It's mentioned in several places, including the Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/virtualization-guest.html Download the FreeBSD domU kernel for Xen 3.0 and disk image from http://www.fsmware.com/; I'd be happy to host the files that used to be on that site if it would help - it would be good to get the broken links fixed because I came across the same problem and ended up having to create a Xen image manually. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question. Multi Boot
Actually you can find now some cheap HDDs so the safest way is to install BSD/Linux on a second one, but if you can't buy another HDD then backup all the important date and install BSD with bsd loader on your HDD, after making some free, unformatted space on it. From: Kruppa, Peter Ulrich pukru...@googlemail.com To: Jorge Biquez jbiq...@icsmx.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 6:50:04 PM Subject: Re: Question. Multi Boot Am 18.04.2010 18:10, schrieb Jorge Biquez: Hello all. I hope this question does not sound so stupid. I have read archives and do gogled searches but would like , if possible, to hear comments based on experience. I have a machine, pentium D 2.4mhz 2gb RAM, 160DD HD XP Pro. As I mentuioned in other post I installed FreeBSD 7.3 under a virtual machine using vmware. It works fine but seems it is too much for the machine since when I am running it the machine is very slow. I have that FB installation running without graphical interface since that's why I need then. Now I would like to have a graphical interface running to learn to use eclipse and continue with my PHP/Mysql development learning. I know that if I continue under VMware the windows machine will be even more slow so I decided that I would have this machine running with a multi boot schema and choose when to boot under FreeBSd, Windows and later with Linux (looking for a job and in some companies asked me to have the basics of any distribution). The most important is that I need to be able to continue having that actual windows partition without loosing anything or changing anything. What do you think, based on experince, is the safest way to accomplish this? Since Windows isn't very cooperative with other operating systems, leave it where it is, buy a second hard disk and install FreeBSD (and Linux) on it. The FreeBSD bootmanager will be able to boot Windows but Windows will not boot any FreeBSD or Linux. Good Luck Uli. Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Question. Multi Boot
Hello all. I hope this question does not sound so stupid. I have read archives and do gogled searches but would like , if possible, to hear comments based on experience. I have a machine, pentium D 2.4mhz 2gb RAM, 160DD HD XP Pro. As I mentuioned in other post I installed FreeBSD 7.3 under a virtual machine using vmware. It works fine but seems it is too much for the machine since when I am running it the machine is very slow. I have that FB installation running without graphical interface since that's why I need then. Now I would like to have a graphical interface running to learn to use eclipse and continue with my PHP/Mysql development learning. I know that if I continue under VMware the windows machine will be even more slow so I decided that I would have this machine running with a multi boot schema and choose when to boot under FreeBSd, Windows and later with Linux (looking for a job and in some companies asked me to have the basics of any distribution). The most important is that I need to be able to continue having that actual windows partition without loosing anything or changing anything. What do you think, based on experince, is the safest way to accomplish this? Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Question. Multi Boot
Hello all. I hope this question does not sound so stupid. I have read archives and do gogled searches but would like , if possible, to hear comments based on experience. I have a machine, pentium D 2.4mhz 2gb RAM, 160DD HD XP Pro. As I mentuioned in other post I installed FreeBSD 7.3 under a virtual machine using vmware. It works fine but seems it is too much for the machine since when I am running it the machine is very slow. I have that FB installation running without graphical interface since that's why I need then. Now I would like to have a graphical interface running to learn to use eclipse and continue with my PHP/Mysql development learning. I know that if I continue under VMware the windows machine will be even more slow so I decided that I would have this machine running with a multi boot schema and choose when to boot under FreeBSd, Windows and later with Linux (looking for a job and in some companies asked me to have the basics of any distribution). The most important is that I need to be able to continue having that actual windows partition without loosing anything or changing anything. What do you think, based on experince, is the safest way to accomplish this? Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question. Multi Boot
Am 18.04.2010 18:10, schrieb Jorge Biquez: Hello all. I hope this question does not sound so stupid. I have read archives and do gogled searches but would like , if possible, to hear comments based on experience. I have a machine, pentium D 2.4mhz 2gb RAM, 160DD HD XP Pro. As I mentuioned in other post I installed FreeBSD 7.3 under a virtual machine using vmware. It works fine but seems it is too much for the machine since when I am running it the machine is very slow. I have that FB installation running without graphical interface since that's why I need then. Now I would like to have a graphical interface running to learn to use eclipse and continue with my PHP/Mysql development learning. I know that if I continue under VMware the windows machine will be even more slow so I decided that I would have this machine running with a multi boot schema and choose when to boot under FreeBSd, Windows and later with Linux (looking for a job and in some companies asked me to have the basics of any distribution). The most important is that I need to be able to continue having that actual windows partition without loosing anything or changing anything. What do you think, based on experince, is the safest way to accomplish this? Since Windows isn't very cooperative with other operating systems, leave it where it is, buy a second hard disk and install FreeBSD (and Linux) on it. The FreeBSD bootmanager will be able to boot Windows but Windows will not boot any FreeBSD or Linux. Good Luck Uli. Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question. Multi Boot
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010, Jorge Biquez wrote: Hello all. I hope this question does not sound so stupid. I have read archives and do gogled searches but would like , if possible, to hear comments based on experience. I have a machine, pentium D 2.4mhz 2gb RAM, 160DD HD XP Pro. As I mentuioned in other post I installed FreeBSD 7.3 under a virtual machine using vmware. It works fine but seems it is too much for the machine since when I am running it the machine is very slow. I have that FB installation running without graphical interface since that's why I need then. I've tried VMWare player with FreeBSD 7, albeit on a faster machine. Text mode was fine, never tried xorg. A P4 should be adequate, but there may be other things going on in the background like Windows antivirus scanning. VirtualBox seems to work very well on Windows, and it's certainly worth a try before reorganizing your disk for multibooting. Now I would like to have a graphical interface running to learn to use eclipse and continue with my PHP/Mysql development learning. I know that if I continue under VMware the windows machine will be even more slow so I decided that I would have this machine running with a multi boot schema and choose when to boot under FreeBSd, Windows and later with Linux (looking for a job and in some companies asked me to have the basics of any distribution). The most important is that I need to be able to continue having that actual windows partition without loosing anything or changing anything. What do you think, based on experince, is the safest way to accomplish this? Safest would be still be the VM; little chance of damaging the host disk data when the VM has no direct access to it. For multiboot: back up entire Windows hard drive including a separate dd copy of the MBR, resize Windows partition to make room using partition software of your choice, test to make sure Windows still works. Back up again. Install FreeBSD, creating new partition/slice, leaving room for a Linux partition, and installing the FreeBSD boot manager. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question. Multi Boot
On 4/18/10 12:50 PM, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: Since Windows isn't very cooperative with other operating systems, leave it where it is, buy a second hard disk and install FreeBSD (and Linux) on it. The FreeBSD bootmanager will be able to boot Windows but Windows will not boot any FreeBSD or Linux. I would agree that is the safest way to proceed, although the repartitioning of the hard disk as outlined by somebody else would certainly work. However, even here I would urge you to have a complete backup that you have verified is usable before you start. Makes that sinking feeling in your stomach when you realize you've just partitioned the wrong drive much less ugly. :-) --Jon Radel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question. Multi Boot
At 05:04 p.m. 18/04/2010, you wrote: On 4/18/10 12:50 PM, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: Since Windows isn't very cooperative with other operating systems, leave it where it is, buy a second hard disk and install FreeBSD (and Linux) on it. The FreeBSD bootmanager will be able to boot Windows but Windows will not boot any FreeBSD or Linux. I would agree that is the safest way to proceed, although the repartitioning of the hard disk as outlined by somebody else would certainly work. However, even here I would urge you to have a complete backup that you have verified is usable before you start. Makes that sinking feeling in your stomach when you realize you've just partitioned the wrong drive much less ugly. :-) --Jon Radel ___ Hello all. Thanks for your comments. The disk I have, actually has around 90GB of free space (more I guess). I will do repartition with Norton and will leave 2 partitions of 40GB for each extra OS. I then will install FB on the first one to have the boot manager there and later Linux on the other partition. I guess that could work. I hope so. Thanks for your time. JB ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
crypt question/server hotel
I want to put my server in a server hotel. But: I don't trust my server hotel owner. What can I do? I can crypt my partition/hdd's that contains the data. Ok. But: then my operating system will not be encrypted. Not Ok. If I crypt my operating system too, then when a reboot comes, I have to type a password to decrypt. But my server will be at a server hotel I can't directly use a keyboard [no service cpu]. What can I do [on technical side] to ensure a little more security to my server [e.g: crypt my partition/slice/whatever, that has the operating system, but without the type password problem] Thank you for any tips/help. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: crypt question/server hotel
On Apr 17, 2010, at 1:49 AM, Jozsi Vadkan wrote: I want to put my server in a server hotel. But: I don't trust my server hotel owner. What can I do? Find a different hotel owner. There is no good protection against someone with physical access to the machine. Even using disk encryption and a human-entered password depends on you trusting the physical machine to not be bugged with a keystroke logger in the keyboard, BIOS, etc. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
licence question
hey there, hope everythings all right? i´m using your devil image on my website. www.little-devil.de someone tould me that this image is not under bsd licence. am i allowed to use this image? i´ll would be pleased to use it. this is my private website i´m providing free software. thank you very much. hope to hear from you soon. bye greetings from germany mathias a. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: licence question
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of M. Aschhoff Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:22 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: licence question hey there, hope everythings all right? i´m using your devil image on my website. www.little-devil.de someone tould me that this image is not under bsd licence. am i allowed to use this image? i´ll would be pleased to use it. this is my private website i´m providing free software. thank you very much. hope to hear from you soon. See: http://www.mckusick.com/beastie/mainpage/copyright.html -- Regards, T. Koeman, MTh/BSc/BPsy; Technical Monk MediaMonks B.V. (www.mediamonks.com) Please quote all replies in correspondence. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: licence question
On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:22:26 +0200, M. Aschhoff knex...@googlemail.com wrote: hey there, hope everythings all right? i´m using your devil image on my website. www.little-devil.de someone tould me that this image is not under bsd licence. am i allowed to use this image? i´ll would be pleased to use it. this is my private website i´m providing free software. thank you very much. hope to hear from you soon. http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html See the bottom of the page reading Permission to use the daemon and so on. greetings from germany Greetings from Germany to Germany. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Question about fstab
Hello all! I want use redundant scheme for booting my OS. For instance I have two ufs slices and each of them keep /boot folder. For example, I want use fstab like that: # DeviceMountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/ad6s1b noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/ad6s1a /bootdirufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad4s1a/mnt/bootdirufs rw 1 1 That scheme will work unless one of ufs slices go out. After that I just select bootable disk in BIOS and reboot. But during boot process I have got error that one of slices can't be mounted. It's not convinient. How can I get decision? Thank all. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question about fstab
2010/4/14 Дмитрий Бехтерев dbehte...@gmail.com Hello all! I want use redundant scheme for booting my OS. Most would use gmirror, zfs mirror, or a hardware based solution instead of your approach. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-mirror.html -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: dovecot/jail question
I have: (Samba+LDAP = PDC + Dovecot+Postix ) ---JailA (amavisd-new+spamassassin+clamd --spam gateway ) ---JailB FreeBSD 8.0 Release. My src.conf for my jails: WITHOUT_AMD=yes WITHOUT_APM=yes WITHOUT_ASSERT_DEBUG=yes WITHOUT_ATM=yes WITHOUT_AUTHPF=yes WITHOUT_BIND=yes WITHOUT_BLUETOOTH=yes WITHOUT_BOOT=yes WITHOUT_CALENDAR=yes WITHOUT_CDDL=yes WITHOUT_CTM=yes WITHOUT_CVS=yes WITHOUT_DICT=yes WITHOUT_EXAMPLES=yes WITHOUT_FLOPPY=yes WITHOUT_FREEBSD_UPDATE=yes WITHOUT_GAMES=yes WITHOUT_GPIB=yes WITHOUT_HTML=yes WITHOUT_INET6=yes WITHOUT_IPFILTER=yes WITHOUT_IPFW=yes WITHOUT_IPX=yes WITHOUT_JAIL=yes WITHOUT_KVM=yes WITHOUT_LPR=yes WITHOUT_MAIL=yes WITHOUT_MAN=yes WITHOUT_NCP=yes WITHOUT_NDIS=yes WITHOUT_NTP=yes WITHOUT_PF=yes WITHOUT_PMC=yes WITHOUT_PPP=yes WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes WITHOUT_QUOTAS=yes WITHOUT_RCMDS=yes WITHOU_RCS=yes WITHOUT_SHAREDOCS=yes WITHOUT_TELNET=yes WITHOUT_USB=yes WITHOUT_WIRELESS=yes WITHOUT_WPA_SUPPLICANT_EAPOL=yes Running without a issue, Greetings!!! On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Michael Grimm trash...@odo.in-berlin.dewrote: Sam Fourman Jr. sfour...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Jim stapleton...@gmail.com wrote: First, Thanks all for the help with my previous sendmail question. I rebuilt the jail without postfix and that at least seems happy. So does this mean that you can NOT run postfix in a FreeBSD 8 Jail? I didn't know this, I just assumed postfix in a Jail would work. if possible could someone confirm this? I can confirm that Postfix, Dovecot, and Squirrelmail do run in jails, and I do assume that almost every mailing system will do as well. Regards, Michael -- to let ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: make delete-old question (removing old binaries)
On Saturday 03 April 2010 11:04:37 Ihsan Junaidi Ibrahim wrote: Hi folks, I've rebuild my world with NO_MAIL (in src.conf) and a few other NO_ options however I noticed that related binaries are not removed entirely i.e. mailwrapper when I ran make delete-old / delete-old-libs. I can see that the old binaries have a timestamp older than the binaries rebuilt by the make world process. [anggerik:/usr/sbin]# ls -l mailwrapper -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 7808 Nov 21 22:31 mailwrapper [anggerik:/usr/sbin]# ls -l trac traceroute* traceroute6* [anggerik:/usr/sbin]# ls -l traceroute -r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 28240 Apr 3 08:54 traceroute Is this simply a cosmetic issue and I can just remove those binaries manually or if not so, is there a special configs needed to remove them. Apologize if this question has been asked before. You should be using WITHOUT_ versions of the options - see src.conf(5). Files won't be removed unless they're listed in ObsoleteFiles.inc, and it's typically not been kept up-to-date. This is being fixed in -CURRENT but for just now you can remove the binaries manually. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
make delete-old question (removing old binaries)
Hi folks, I've rebuild my world with NO_MAIL (in src.conf) and a few other NO_ options however I noticed that related binaries are not removed entirely i.e. mailwrapper when I ran make delete-old / delete-old-libs. I can see that the old binaries have a timestamp older than the binaries rebuilt by the make world process. [anggerik:/usr/sbin]# ls -l mailwrapper -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 7808 Nov 21 22:31 mailwrapper [anggerik:/usr/sbin]# ls -l trac traceroute* traceroute6* [anggerik:/usr/sbin]# ls -l traceroute -r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 28240 Apr 3 08:54 traceroute Is this simply a cosmetic issue and I can just remove those binaries manually or if not so, is there a special configs needed to remove them. Apologize if this question has been asked before. -- Thank you for your time, Ihsan Junaidi Ibrahim ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Instalation question
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:48:54PM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:41:53 -0300 (CLST), pvida...@uc.cl wrote:
Hello. I am interested in installing FreeBSD OS on my Notebook, which has at
this time Windows 7 with a hard disk partitioned into 2 primary partition
(C:
and D:).
I read the installation instructions, but I was clear:
How can I install FreeBSD OS on partition D: without deleting the contents
of
C: (Windows 7 and other files) so you can choose when starting the OS with
my
Notebook which to work (Windows 7 or FreeBSD)?
Thank you!
During the installation (usually involving the sysinstall
installation program), you are entering the slice editor.
This is where primary partitions are mentioned. Delete
the partition corresponding to the drive letter D:, I
would assume it's the second one on the disk. Then create
a new slice for the (now) free space and make it a FreeBSD
slice. After that, you can install the FreeBSD boot manager.
I'm not familiar with Windows, so I would assume that
it won't harm the Windows installation on the disk if
you add this boot manager. After that, you continue in
the normal way partitioning your FreeBSD slice, selecting
things to install, and so on.
I think all you have to do is select that slice and let sysinstall
(via fdisk) set it to a FreeBSD type file system and then go ahead
and install on it. That will wipe out everything previously in the
slice and install FreeBSD there. During install, tell it to install
the FreeBSD MBR.
There is some new problem with Win-7 boot manager that I haven't learned
about yet. MS puts some extra boot manager stuff in. I think how
to get around it is documented. You will have to look that up.
jerry
The FreeBSD boot manager will then allow you to select
to boot FreeBSD or Windows at system startup.
Before:
{ [ Windows partition C: ] [ Windows partition D: ] }
First step in slice editor (delete second Windows partition):
{ [ Windows partition C: ] -free- }
Second step in slice editor (create FreeBSD slice):
{ [ Windows partition C: ] [ FreeBSD] }
Third step, after slice editor (install boot manager):
{M[ Windows partition C: ] [ FreeBSD] }
Keep an eye on which partition you mark active inside the slice
editor. As I said, I'm not familiar with how Windows handles
things, and I'm not a multi-booter, so excuse me for being quite
generic in my answer. :-)
Don't miss the excellent documentation in the FreeBSD handbook,
esp. ch. 2.6, to be found here:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/install-steps.html
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Magdeburg, Germany
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FreeBSD Instalation question
Hola. Estoy interesado en instalar el SO FreeBSD en mi Notebook, el cual tiene en este momento Windows 7 con un disco duro particionado en 2 (C: y D:). Leí las instrucciones de instalación, pero no me quedó claro lo siguiente: Como puedo instalar FreeBSD en la particion D: sin borrar el contenido de C: (Windows 7 y otros archivos) de manera que pueda elegir al momento de iniciar mi Notebook el SO con el cual trabajar (Windows 7 o FreeBSD)? Gracias !! Hello. I am interested in installing FreeBSD OS on my Notebook, which has at this time Windows 7 with a hard disk partitioned into 2 primary partition (C: and D:). I read the installation instructions, but I was clear: How can I install FreeBSD OS on partition D: without deleting the contents of C: (Windows 7 and other files) so you can choose when starting the OS with my Notebook which to work (Windows 7 or FreeBSD)? Thank you! Pablo Vidales Sáez Santiago, Chile ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Instalation question
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:41:53 -0300 (CLST), pvida...@uc.cl wrote:
Hello. I am interested in installing FreeBSD OS on my Notebook, which has at
this time Windows 7 with a hard disk partitioned into 2 primary partition (C:
and D:).
I read the installation instructions, but I was clear:
How can I install FreeBSD OS on partition D: without deleting the contents of
C: (Windows 7 and other files) so you can choose when starting the OS with my
Notebook which to work (Windows 7 or FreeBSD)?
Thank you!
During the installation (usually involving the sysinstall
installation program), you are entering the slice editor.
This is where primary partitions are mentioned. Delete
the partition corresponding to the drive letter D:, I
would assume it's the second one on the disk. Then create
a new slice for the (now) free space and make it a FreeBSD
slice. After that, you can install the FreeBSD boot manager.
I'm not familiar with Windows, so I would assume that
it won't harm the Windows installation on the disk if
you add this boot manager. After that, you continue in
the normal way partitioning your FreeBSD slice, selecting
things to install, and so on.
The FreeBSD boot manager will then allow you to select
to boot FreeBSD or Windows at system startup.
Before:
{ [ Windows partition C: ] [ Windows partition D: ] }
First step in slice editor (delete second Windows partition):
{ [ Windows partition C: ] -free- }
Second step in slice editor (create FreeBSD slice):
{ [ Windows partition C: ] [ FreeBSD] }
Third step, after slice editor (install boot manager):
{M[ Windows partition C: ] [ FreeBSD] }
Keep an eye on which partition you mark active inside the slice
editor. As I said, I'm not familiar with how Windows handles
things, and I'm not a multi-booter, so excuse me for being quite
generic in my answer. :-)
Don't miss the excellent documentation in the FreeBSD handbook,
esp. ch. 2.6, to be found here:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/install-steps.html
--
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Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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Re: FreeBSD Instalation question
On Wednesday 31 March 2010 08:48:54 Polytropon wrote:
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:41:53 -0300 (CLST), pvida...@uc.cl wrote:
Hello. I am interested in installing FreeBSD OS on my Notebook, which has
at this time Windows 7 with a hard disk partitioned into 2 primary
partition (C: and D:).
I read the installation instructions, but I was clear:
How can I install FreeBSD OS on partition D: without deleting the
contents of C: (Windows 7 and other files) so you can choose when
starting the OS with my Notebook which to work (Windows 7 or FreeBSD)?
Thank you!
During the installation (usually involving the sysinstall
installation program), you are entering the slice editor.
This is where primary partitions are mentioned. Delete
the partition corresponding to the drive letter D:, I
would assume it's the second one on the disk. Then create
a new slice for the (now) free space and make it a FreeBSD
slice. After that, you can install the FreeBSD boot manager.
I'm not familiar with Windows, so I would assume that
it won't harm the Windows installation on the disk if
you add this boot manager. After that, you continue in
the normal way partitioning your FreeBSD slice, selecting
things to install, and so on.
The FreeBSD boot manager will then allow you to select
to boot FreeBSD or Windows at system startup.
Before:
{ [ Windows partition C: ] [ Windows partition D: ] }
First step in slice editor (delete second Windows partition):
{ [ Windows partition C: ] -free- }
Second step in slice editor (create FreeBSD slice):
{ [ Windows partition C: ] [ FreeBSD] }
Third step, after slice editor (install boot manager):
{M[ Windows partition C: ] [ FreeBSD] }
Keep an eye on which partition you mark active inside the slice
editor. As I said, I'm not familiar with how Windows handles
things, and I'm not a multi-booter, so excuse me for being quite
generic in my answer. :-)
Don't miss the excellent documentation in the FreeBSD handbook,
esp. ch. 2.6, to be found here:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/install-steps.html
Just one note.
Usually Windows7 have additional hidden 100M boot partition first, than own
system
partition (Drive C:), don't be missed.
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Question about expr
Hello all, I am used to the normal GNU-version of expr (also available on Solaris) and much prefer it over the FreeBSD version. The GNU version allows internal commands like length, substring and others which make it much easier to work with. Is there any way I can replace FreeBSD's native expr with the GNU version ? Since I believe expr does not normally ship as a shell-builtin, I don't think the shell can of much help in the matter. Actually, I think it might not be a bad idea to place a port of GNU-expr in the ports directory. This would allow a lot a scripts to be readily portable to multiple environments. Thanks for any help. Regards Manish Jain invalid.poin...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question about expr
In the last episode (Mar 27), Manish Jain said: I am used to the normal GNU-version of expr (also available on Solaris) and much prefer it over the FreeBSD version. The GNU version allows internal commands like length, substring and others which make it much easier to work with. Is there any way I can replace FreeBSD's native expr with the GNU version ? Since I believe expr does not normally ship as a shell-builtin, I don't think the shell can of much help in the matter. Actually, I think it might not be a bad idea to place a port of GNU-expr in the ports directory. This would allow a lot a scripts to be readily portable to multiple environments. It's part of the coreutils package. If you install the sysutils/coreutils port, you can symlink /bin/expr over to it (or make a copy). I don't know if it's 100% compatible with BSD expr, though, so you may end up breaking scripts in the base system. -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question about expr
Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Mar 27), Manish Jain said: I am used to the normal GNU-version of expr (also available on Solaris) and much prefer it over the FreeBSD version. The GNU version allows internal commands like length, substring and others which make it much easier to work with. Is there any way I can replace FreeBSD's native expr with the GNU version ? Since I believe expr does not normally ship as a shell-builtin, I don't think the shell can of much help in the matter. Actually, I think it might not be a bad idea to place a port of GNU-expr in the ports directory. This would allow a lot a scripts to be readily portable to multiple environments. It's part of the coreutils package. If you install the sysutils/coreutils port, you can symlink /bin/expr over to it (or make a copy). I don't know if it's 100% compatible with BSD expr, though, so you may end up breaking scripts in the base system. Hello Dan, Thanks for the info. But I don't intend to symlink /bin/expr over to it. Instead I'll just create an alias in bash's profile and my scripts. That should let core scripts execute with /bin/expr and my scripts to use the GNU-version. Which actually leads me to second question : When you execute a script, it will automatically pick up the exports in .bash_profile. But even if you manually source bash's profile at the start of your script, only the exports get picked up and the aliases are ignored. Is there some way to fix this so that I don't have to set an alias for expr at the top each time I write a script ? Thanks Regards Manish Jain invalid.poin...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question about expr
Manish Jain invalid.poin...@gmail.com wrote: When you execute a script ... the aliases are ignored. Is there some way to fix this ... Search for expand_aliases in the bash manpage. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
multicore processing question
Hi, I'm relatively new to FreeBSD and have had a hard time get to the right information relating multicore processing. I hope someone can give me some pointers. I have a two core processor and FreeBSD (latest stable release). Question: If I have a c program that creates child processes with fork and exec (in a non blocking way), will the child processes be executed by FreeBSD in parallel using the different cores without me having to do special synchronization arrangements to my program? Will I need threads instead of processes? thanks Statement of Confidentiality: The information in this message is privileged and confidential and it is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing, or copying the information contained in this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: multicore processing question
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Zepeda, Herbey herbey.zep...@atg.in.govwrote: Hi, I'm relatively new to FreeBSD and have had a hard time get to the right information relating multicore processing. I hope someone can give me some pointers. I have a two core processor and FreeBSD (latest stable release). Question: If I have a c program that creates child processes with fork and exec (in a non blocking way), will the child processes be executed by FreeBSD in parallel using the different cores without me having to do special synchronization arrangements to my program? Well probably...processes are automatically on SMP kernels so a basic example is if you have 2 cores and 2 processes which are each utilizing 100% of cpu time, then each process would be assigned to a separate core. However in practice executions states are much more complicated and both processes may be assigned to a single core under certain conditions eg one is in a sleep state. The short story is this is all handled automatically, and many applications run just fine without any further tweaking Will I need threads instead of processes? Really depends on your need, but in general properly creating threaded safe applications is significantly harder(at least to my understanding, I don't do it). If you need to use this route, you can check out http://www.osnews.com/story/22152/Apple_Releases_Grand_Central_Dispatch_as_Open_Source It's available on FreeBSD. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: multicore processing question
Thanks for posting the link to GCD. Interesting info is always welcomed! Gary -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Adam Vande More Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:17 PM To: Zepeda, Herbey Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: multicore processing question On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Zepeda, Herbey herbey.zep...@atg.in.govwrote: Hi, I'm relatively new to FreeBSD and have had a hard time get to the right information relating multicore processing. I hope someone can give me some pointers. I have a two core processor and FreeBSD (latest stable release). Question: If I have a c program that creates child processes with fork and exec (in a non blocking way), will the child processes be executed by FreeBSD in parallel using the different cores without me having to do special synchronization arrangements to my program? Well probably...processes are automatically on SMP kernels so a basic example is if you have 2 cores and 2 processes which are each utilizing 100% of cpu time, then each process would be assigned to a separate core. However in practice executions states are much more complicated and both processes may be assigned to a single core under certain conditions eg one is in a sleep state. The short story is this is all handled automatically, and many applications run just fine without any further tweaking Will I need threads instead of processes? Really depends on your need, but in general properly creating threaded safe applications is significantly harder(at least to my understanding, I don't do it). If you need to use this route, you can check out http://www.osnews.com/story/22152/Apple_Releases_Grand_Central_Dispatch_as_Open_Source It's available on FreeBSD. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
