Recommendations for 64GB USB 3.0 Sticks?

[Jens Schweikhardt]

hello, world\n

I have a problem with a USB 2.0 64GB Stick, that's not recognized by
FreeBSD 9 (Corsair Survivor). I have also read other people having
problems with large size sticks (>=64GB). Has anyone a recommendation
for a 64GB USB 3.0 stick? Preferably with read and write speeds
>=100MByte/s, respectively.

Regards,

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Re: Current motherboard recommendations?

[W. D.]

At 13:51 3/23/2013, Joshua Isom wrote:
>I'm planning on getting a new motherboard and ram.  I'm keeping the 
>processor so it'll have to be an AMD board.  What manufacturers tend to 
>be best, with bios/ufi support and chipset support?  Is there anything 
>to avoid?

Gigabyte works for me.







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Current motherboard recommendations?

[Joshua Isom]

I'm planning on getting a new motherboard and ram.  I'm keeping the 
processor so it'll have to be an AMD board.  What manufacturers tend to 
be best, with bios/ufi support and chipset support?  Is there anything 
to avoid?

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Re: Hardware recommendations, not "enterprise" budget.

[Waitman Gobble]

On Oct 29, 2012 10:57 PM, "Joshua Isom"  wrote:
>
> Soon I'll be purchasing a wireless N card for my current FreeBSD system
since I'm not yet ready to add ethernet to my house.  What would be the
current recommendations for using wireless N on FreeBSD?  My router is a
Linksys E2000, which supports 2.4GHz and 5GHz but not concurrently.
Supporting 5GHz is a strong preference but I doubt I'll have much luck
getting everything else to work at 5GHz.
>
> I'm also thinking of an HTPC.  For low power and mostly silent hardware,
what's the best?
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Hi Joshua,
>From my experience an Atheros or Ralink chipset is generally going to be
the best way to go. Not sure about your system, or what type of device you
are considering, but if its going to be a USB dongle id go with Ralink
chipset device.

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Hardware recommendations, not "enterprise" budget.

[Joshua Isom]

Soon I'll be purchasing a wireless N card for my current FreeBSD system 
since I'm not yet ready to add ethernet to my house.  What would be the 
current recommendations for using wireless N on FreeBSD?  My router is a 
Linksys E2000, which supports 2.4GHz and 5GHz but not concurrently. 
Supporting 5GHz is a strong preference but I doubt I'll have much luck 
getting everything else to work at 5GHz.


I'm also thinking of an HTPC.  For low power and mostly silent hardware, 
what's the best?

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Re: Tape drive recommendations

[Kurt Buff]

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Steve Bertrand
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I know this is a bit off-topic, but I'm looking for suggestions.
>
> In one of my corporate sites, I've got a Tandberg Magnum 2x24 dual 10-slot
> tape backup device that I feel is on its way out.
>
> The storage amount for this site is adequate with the existing device and so
> is the performance, but I'm just curious to find out others opinions on what
> they use for tape backup machines nowadays before I purchase something new.
> I back up between 2 and 4 TB per day at this particular site.
>
> Off-list replies if you don't feel comfortable specifying vendors publicly
> are welcome.
>
> Steve

We've had good luck with our Spectralogic T50 with DLT3 drives, and
mediocre luck with our Dell 124T with a DLT4 drive that replaced the
Spectralogic. If I had to choose, I'd stick with the Spectralogic..

Kurt
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Tape drive recommendations

[Steve Bertrand]

Hi all,

I know this is a bit off-topic, but I'm looking for suggestions.

In one of my corporate sites, I've got a Tandberg Magnum 2x24 dual 
10-slot tape backup device that I feel is on its way out.


The storage amount for this site is adequate with the existing device 
and so is the performance, but I'm just curious to find out others 
opinions on what they use for tape backup machines nowadays before I 
purchase something new. I back up between 2 and 4 TB per day at this 
particular site.


Off-list replies if you don't feel comfortable specifying vendors 
publicly are welcome.


Steve
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Re: nVidia card manufacturer recommendations

[Daniel C. Dowse]

On  Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:00:30 +, Arthur Chance  wrote:
>On 03/14/12 08:57, Arthur Chance wrote:
>> Somewhere, possibly here, a while back I saw a remark that certain
>> manufacturer's nVidia cards worked reliably with the nVidia supplied
>> drivers and others usually have problems because they tweak nVidia's
>> reference spec. Of course, I didn't bookmark it and neither Google nor
>> searching the last years' worth of the freebsd-questions@ archives has
>> turned it up.
>>
>> Can anyone recommend which manufacturers I should look at and/or which I
>> should avoid? I'm specifically looking at the low end GT520.
>
>I've just realised that I probably should have added "for an amd64 system".
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I have a 1024MB Club 3D GeForce GT 520 Low Profile and it works like a charm.
with the drivers in the ports.

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Re: nVidia card manufacturer recommendations

[Arthur Chance]

On 03/14/12 08:57, Arthur Chance wrote:

Somewhere, possibly here, a while back I saw a remark that certain
manufacturer's nVidia cards worked reliably with the nVidia supplied
drivers and others usually have problems because they tweak nVidia's
reference spec. Of course, I didn't bookmark it and neither Google nor
searching the last years' worth of the freebsd-questions@ archives has
turned it up.

Can anyone recommend which manufacturers I should look at and/or which I
should avoid? I'm specifically looking at the low end GT520.


I've just realised that I probably should have added "for an amd64 system".
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Re: nVidia card manufacturer recommendations

[Rod Person]

On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:57:29 +
Arthur Chance  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone recommend which manufacturers I should look at and/or
> which I should avoid? I'm specifically looking at the low end GT520.
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I have used cards from XFX and PNY without problem with the nvidia
driver in the past. 

I'm currently using a FX1700 Quadro that came from an HP machine, it
works without issue also, but I have not used any of the HP bios
updates for it.

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nVidia card manufacturer recommendations

[Arthur Chance]

Somewhere, possibly here, a while back I saw a remark that certain 
manufacturer's nVidia cards worked reliably with the nVidia supplied 
drivers and others usually have problems because they tweak nVidia's 
reference spec. Of course, I didn't bookmark it and neither Google nor 
searching the last years' worth of the freebsd-questions@ archives has 
turned it up.


Can anyone recommend which manufacturers I should look at and/or which I 
should avoid? I'm specifically looking at the low end GT520.

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Wireless PCI or PCIe card recommendations

[Geoff Roberts]

Hi,

Since upgrading my hardware, my old Netgear WG311T PCI card causes the FreeBSD 
8 kernel to freeze at boot time. I've also tested FreeBSD 9 beta 1.

I'm looking for a replacement card - either PCI, or PCI Express.

I need a card that can do Multi-Base Station or Virtual Access Points.

Kind regards,

Geoff

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Re: MFP recommendations

[John Baldwin]

On Thursday, August 11, 2011 5:51:36 am Jon Theil Nielsen wrote:
> 2011/8/10 Jon Theil Nielsen 
> 
> > Hi list,
> >
> > I want to buy another printer to use mainly with Windows. Even though I
> > have no good feelings about those devises, that claims to be able to do
> > everything I need. Even though, I need a better scanner with ADF and duplex
> > printing (it need to be able to connect wirelessly to my Windows stations).
> > So my question is if I can find such a thing, that I can connect to my
> > FreeBSD server too. And if you can recommend a specific model.
> > I have been looking at a lot of models, but I can't figure out if any of
> > them would be able to work through FreeBSD, cups etc. Examples:
> > HP Officejet Pro 8500A (CM755A)
> > HP Photosmart Premium Fax e-All-in-One (CQ521B)
> > Canon PIXMA MX885
> > Epson...
> > Brother...
> > In the first place, I may have to connect it via USB or ehternet. If it
> > could be connected by my wireless adapter (Linksys WUSB600N), it would be
> > nice
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Jon Theil Nielsen
> >
> 
> Since my main goal is to be able to print over the network via my FreeBSD
> station, I could put in another way:
> Can I expect that printers known to be supported by HPLIP (
> http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/index.html) actually
> work in FreeBSD? And would one of the HP models by a "safe" choice?

Yes, anything that works with hplip (which is in ports) will work great with
cups in KDE, OpenOffice, etc.  I currently use some MFC OfficeJet thinigie
at home with hplip.

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Re: MFP recommendations

[perryh]

Jon Theil Nielsen  wrote:

> 2011/8/11 Michael 
> > On Aug 11, 2011, at 2:51 AM, Jon Theil Nielsen wrote:
> > > 2011/8/10 Jon Theil Nielsen 
> > > ... my main goal is to be able to print over the network
> > > via my FreeBSD station ...
> > If you buy something like an Lexmark X543, you'll get all the
> > features you want and it connects directly to your LAN ...
> ... both the physical size and the price are too much.

Small, inexpensive, networked laser that works well with FreeBSD:
Samsung ML-2571N.  Being a PostScript printer it should work with
pretty much anything -- if an OS has no entry for it, the entry for
Apple LaserWriter should work.

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Re: MFP recommendations

[Jon Theil Nielsen]

2011/8/11 Michael 

>
> On Aug 11, 2011, at 2:51 AM, Jon Theil Nielsen wrote:
>
> > 2011/8/10 Jon Theil Nielsen 
> >
> > Since my main goal is to be able to print over the network via my FreeBSD
> > station, I could put in another way:
> > Can I expect that printers known to be supported by HPLIP (
> > http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/index.html)
> actually
> > work in FreeBSD? And would one of the HP models by a "safe" choice?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jon Theil Nielsen
>
> Hi,
>
> If you buy something like an Lexmark X543, you'll get all the features you
> want and it connects directly to your LAN. It speaks IPP and LPR which will
> work great with FreeBSD. It also speaks fluent MS Windows, Bonjour,
> Appletalk, etc. It's a little more expensive and larger than the HP you're
> looking at but you'll end up saving money over time using toner rather than
> ink.
>
> Michael
>
> Hi Michael,

Thank you very much for your suggestion. It seems like a very nice printer.
And I actually like the idea of a laser compared to inkjet. But for now,
both the physical size and the price are too much. So I have too keep
looking for another FreeBSD compatible solution (though it mostly - and
certainly for scanning purposes - will be used with Windows).

Regards,
Jon
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Re: MFP recommendations

[Jon Theil Nielsen]

2011/8/10 Jon Theil Nielsen 

> Hi list,
>
> I want to buy another printer to use mainly with Windows. Even though I
> have no good feelings about those devises, that claims to be able to do
> everything I need. Even though, I need a better scanner with ADF and duplex
> printing (it need to be able to connect wirelessly to my Windows stations).
> So my question is if I can find such a thing, that I can connect to my
> FreeBSD server too. And if you can recommend a specific model.
> I have been looking at a lot of models, but I can't figure out if any of
> them would be able to work through FreeBSD, cups etc. Examples:
> HP Officejet Pro 8500A (CM755A)
> HP Photosmart Premium Fax e-All-in-One (CQ521B)
> Canon PIXMA MX885
> Epson...
> Brother...
> In the first place, I may have to connect it via USB or ehternet. If it
> could be connected by my wireless adapter (Linksys WUSB600N), it would be
> nice
>
> Best regards,
> Jon Theil Nielsen
>

Since my main goal is to be able to print over the network via my FreeBSD
station, I could put in another way:
Can I expect that printers known to be supported by HPLIP (
http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/index.html) actually
work in FreeBSD? And would one of the HP models by a "safe" choice?

Regards,
Jon Theil Nielsen
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MFP recommendations

[Jon Theil Nielsen]

Hi list,

I want to buy another printer to use mainly with Windows. Even though I have
no good feelings about those devises, that claims to be able to do
everything I need. Even though, I need a better scanner with ADF and duplex
printing (it need to be able to connect wirelessly to my Windows stations).
So my question is if I can find such a thing, that I can connect to my
FreeBSD server too. And if you can recommend a specific model.
I have been looking at a lot of models, but I can't figure out if any of
them would be able to work through FreeBSD, cups etc. Examples:
HP Officejet Pro 8500A (CM755A)
HP Photosmart Premium Fax e-All-in-One (CQ521B)
Canon PIXMA MX885
Epson...
Brother...
In the first place, I may have to connect it via USB or ehternet. If it
could be connected by my wireless adapter (Linksys WUSB600N), it would be
nice

Best regards,
Jon Theil Nielsen
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Re: Book recommendations (slightly OT)

[Brandon Gooch]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Mark Moellering  wrote:
> I want to automate some tasks, creating directories, file editing, etc.  I
> was going to pick up a book on shell scripting but wanted to ask the list
> if;
> A) I am barking up the wrong tree and should use something else.
> B) If I am headed in the right direction, what is the best book / resource
> to use?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Mark Moellering

You should check this out, from our friends at Apple:

http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/OpenSource/Conceptual/ShellScripting/

I haven't gone through it, but I've perused it, and it looks like a
good place to start learning.

-Brandon
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Re: Book recommendations (slightly OT)

[Chad Perrin]

In the following, I cut out anything not needed as context for my
response.  Where I cut something out, you should assume that I agree with
what Matthew Seaman wrote, and have nothing in particular to add to it at
this time.  The only possible exception is the specific list of resources
he suggested for learning shell scripting, but only because I am not
personally familiar with all the recommendations and thus am not in a
position to comment on them.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 08:45:30AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 26/07/2011 20:57, Mark Moellering wrote:
> > I want to automate some tasks, creating directories, file editing, etc. 
> > I was going to pick up a book on shell scripting but wanted to ask the
> > list if;
> > A) I am barking up the wrong tree and should use something else.
> 
> No -- automating routine tasks is exactly what shell scripting is for.

Actually, he said "automating tasks" with no specific reference to
*routine* tasks, and I'd say that pretty much anything involving
computers is about automating tasks -- especially scripting/programming.
As you suggest, though, the more routine these tasks are (particularly as
system administration tasks), the more likely they are to be exactly the
right time to use shell scripting.


> 
> First of all, choose your shell.  On FreeBSD I'd say that it's got to be
> /bin/sh for programming.  This is the POSIX compatible Bourne Shell.  If
> you write your scripts to the POSIX standard then you'll be able to run
> them just about anywhere eg. using bash on a Linux box.  The converse is
> not true.
> 
> You could learn bash -- it is pretty much a de-facto standard nowadays
> -- but bash is pretty bloated with lots of interactive usage stuff, and
> there's nothing you can't do in POSIX shell that you can in bash.  Also,
> bash has to be installed from ports, which might not seem like a big
> deal (usually it isn't), but it tends to become really quite important
> when you're dealing with systems in extremis.
> 
> Don't bother trying to use tcsh for programming -- that's not what it is
> for.  tcsh is great interactively (it's what I use for my login shell),
> but a pain in the bum for scripting.

I would say that the Bourne shell (that is, /bin/sh) is the right choice
for pretty much *all* shell scripting.  If you need more than the Bourne
shell, or its POSIX compatible equivalent, you should be using a high
level programming language such as Perl or Ruby instead of an interactive
shell syntax.  More sophisticated shells are fine for interactive use,
but should not be relied upon for shell scripting in the vast majority of
cases for reasons of portability and consistency.

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Re: Book recommendations (slightly OT)

[doug]

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, Mark Moellering wrote:

I want to automate some tasks, creating directories, file editing, etc.  I 
was going to pick up a book on shell scripting but wanted to ask the list if;

A) I am barking up the wrong tree and should use something else.
B) If I am headed in the right direction, what is the best book / resource to 
use?


Thanks in advance

Mark Moellering


I second Matthew's sh recommendation. Doing admin stuff is much much easier if 
you learn the basics of regular expressions, awk, sed and xargs. Also find. The 
daily jobs and the scripts in /etc have lots of coding examples. Of course 
mergermaster and portmaster are the king and queen of sh scripts. Google will 
yield thousands of simple examples of all the above and more.


If you are doing lexical stuff perl is hard to beat.
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Re: Book recommendations (slightly OT)

[C. P. Ghost]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Mark Moellering  wrote:
> I want to automate some tasks, creating directories, file editing, etc.  I
> was going to pick up a book on shell scripting but wanted to ask the list
> if;
> A) I am barking up the wrong tree and should use something else.
> B) If I am headed in the right direction, what is the best book / resource
> to use?

Most automation can be done with shell scripting, but there are
situations where shell won't cut it. Then, you may want to give
Expect a try (hint: combine it with netcat a.k.a. nc and other tools).
If you don't like its TCL syntax, there's a port to Python in
misc/py-pexpect:

http://pexpect.sourceforge.net/

Good luck.

> Thanks in advance
>
> Mark Moellering

-cpghost.

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Re: Book recommendations (slightly OT)

[Matthew Seaman]

On 26/07/2011 20:57, Mark Moellering wrote:
> I want to automate some tasks, creating directories, file editing, etc. 
> I was going to pick up a book on shell scripting but wanted to ask the
> list if;
> A) I am barking up the wrong tree and should use something else.

No -- automating routine tasks is exactly what shell scripting is for.

> B) If I am headed in the right direction, what is the best book /
> resource to use?

Personally, I wouldn't spend any money on textbooks trying to teach you
shell programming.  Not because there aren't any good books available,
but because the free on-line resources are more than adequate to get you
going.

First of all, choose your shell.  On FreeBSD I'd say that it's got to be
/bin/sh for programming.  This is the POSIX compatible Bourne Shell.  If
you write your scripts to the POSIX standard then you'll be able to run
them just about anywhere eg. using bash on a Linux box.  The converse is
not true.

You could learn bash -- it is pretty much a de-facto standard nowadays
-- but bash is pretty bloated with lots of interactive usage stuff, and
there's nothing you can't do in POSIX shell that you can in bash.  Also,
bash has to be installed from ports, which might not seem like a big
deal (usually it isn't), but it tends to become really quite important
when you're dealing with systems in extremis.

Don't bother trying to use tcsh for programming -- that's not what it is
for.  tcsh is great interactively (it's what I use for my login shell),
but a pain in the bum for scripting.

Now, resources for learning how to program in /bin/sh --

 * The sh(1) man page is invaluable.  It's a really nicely written and
   concise description of what sh can do.  I'm constantly referring to
   this man page when shell scripting.

 * Code examples.  Copying from what someone else wrote really is the
   best way to get ahead.  There are many good examples that come with
   FreeBSD -- look at the periodic scripts, rc scripts (including from
   ports) and things like mergemaster(1).  For instance, if you want to
   see how to deal with command line arguments, the standard idiom is
   very clearly demonstrated in mergemaster.

 * On-line resources like http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ (Yes -- this is
   all about bash, but there's a lot of overlap with sh)

 * Learn about all of those Unixy commands.  /bin/sh in many ways is
   designed as a means to glue together compiled C programs to achieve a
   desired effect.  You should be familiar with programs like test(1),
   jot(1), comm(1), xargs(1), printf(1), comm(1), sort(1).  Not to
   mention those stalwarts of shell programming sed(1) and awk(1) --
   although each of those is in itself is a programming language about
   as complex as pure shell.

Counterintuitively, given the above, the best shell scripts use built-in
shell capabilities rather than calling out to external programmes
wherever possible.  eg. Using the variable prefix / suffix selection
operators: ${progname%%*/} has much the same effect as basename(1).

All the usual programming best-practices apply in shell scripting: write
clean, well structured code divided into relatively short functions each
of which has a single specific purpose.  Avoid overuse of global
variables and magic side-effects.  Prefer clarity over cleverness.
Comment liberally, but make sure your comments add value.  Choose
conventions (eg. on variable naming and code formatting) and stick to them.

One other piece of advice -- as a matter of style, try and avoid
interactive behaviour in scripts.  If you prompt a user to type in some
value, then it makes it very hard to call your script from another
script.  Instead, pass in any values you need using the command line, or
by using environment variables.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Book recommendations (slightly OT)

[Jerome Herman]

On 26/07/2011 21:57, Mark Moellering wrote:
I want to automate some tasks, creating directories, file editing, 
etc.  I was going to pick up a book on shell scripting but wanted to 
ask the list if;

A) I am barking up the wrong tree and should use something else.
B) If I am headed in the right direction, what is the best book / 
resource to use?


Thanks in advance

Mark Moellering
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The first thing to do is to define what you want to do with scripting.

Most users have now turned to bash, very easy and quite powerful, though 
it has some specifics you won't find in any other shell. Such as 
replacing certain simple commands on the shell line by its own internal 
version, which can be very frustrating. This said it is probably the 
easiest shell to learn given there are lots and lots of examples, 
tutorial and users around here.


For pure Unix/BSD/Solaris... professional administration, you have to 
learn tcsh/csh (basically the same thing, tcsh being an improved 
version).  Basically it is a bit like vi. Even if you do not like vi, 
but want to professionally maintain Unix/BSD/Solaris..., you have to 
learn it, because one day you will have to log on an old server and vi 
will be the only "modern" editor available. Csh/Tcsh will basically be 
installed on pretty much every computer you might find. And csh can be 
tricky at time if you only know Bash.


On the other hand if you are a user/dev just wanting to automate some of 
his daily routine, then you can go for pretty much any shell you want. I 
personally prefer zsh.


One shell that is great but you need to be aware of is ksh. The problem 
of ksh is that it is so different from every other shell that learning 
it is a bit of a trouble. It is hard to find good example, and it is 
hard to transcribe ksh scripts and logic unto an other shell.


I can only advise you to browse around, look at what every shell has to 
offer and pick one. Do not hesitate to change if you are not happy.


As far as learning a shell goes, well it is more about going for net 
tutorials and reading man pages over and over again. At first you will 
be using "cat", "|" and ">" a lot. That is normal, but the only way to 
progress is to try to use them all as little as possible. (Which 
generally translates into reading the man page again).


Last thing, though it is considered to be a "welcome ritual" among 
admins, do backups, lots of backups, and test your scripts with another 
account that cannot destroy all your files at once. When learning to 
script you will one day make a stupid mistake, it will be a very simple 
script and a very stupid mistake. But you will be very happy you have a 
backup when the worst happens.


Classical mistakes involves making a find with exec, but forgetting to 
target real files only (such as removing all 0 bytes files from a system 
=> say goodbye to /dev, links, sockets etc.) and running a script with a 
badly set var (like export deluser="FOO"; rm -rf "/hom/$delusr").



Good luck on your learning.
Jerome Herman
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Re: Book recommendations (slightly OT)

[matteo filippetto]

2011/7/26 Mark Moellering :
> I want to automate some tasks, creating directories, file editing, etc.  I
> was going to pick up a book on shell scripting but wanted to ask the list
> if;
> A) I am barking up the wrong tree and should use something else.
> B) If I am headed in the right direction, what is the best book / resource
> to use?
>

Hi,

I learn a lot from this

http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/  it's free :-)

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Re: Book recommendations (slightly OT)

[Antonio Olivares]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Mark Moellering  wrote:
> I want to automate some tasks, creating directories, file editing, etc.  I
> was going to pick up a book on shell scripting but wanted to ask the list
> if;
> A) I am barking up the wrong tree and should use something else.
> B) If I am headed in the right direction, what is the best book / resource
> to use?
>
> Thanks in advance

Mark,

There are many utilities out there and programs, I would recommend visiting

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html

In that page, several references are given, including but not limited to

the powerful handbook

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/basics.html

A nice short introduction:

http://8help.osu.edu/wks/unix_course/

Chris several posts ago recommended me visit a nice page:

http://steve-parker.org/sh/eg/directories/

You can look over several pages, there are many out there that you can
get without paying $$, and also there's another document by William
Shotts that could be of help:

http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php

Don't worry that it says that it is for linux, it can be used on
freebsd too!, just be careful if you don't have bash shell, /bin/bash,
change to /bin/sh and the script should work, just make sure that
commands are not linux specific :)

Regards,

Antonio
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Book recommendations (slightly OT)

[Mark Moellering]

I want to automate some tasks, creating directories, file editing, etc.  
I was going to pick up a book on shell scripting but wanted to ask the 
list if;

A) I am barking up the wrong tree and should use something else.
B) If I am headed in the right direction, what is the best book / 
resource to use?


Thanks in advance

Mark Moellering
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Re: Recommendations for 3D modelling code for 3D printing?

[Arthur Chance]

On 03/24/11 17:58, Robert Huff wrote:


Arthur Chance writes:


  I need to make some parts using 3D printing, and was wondering
  what software I should use to do the modelling. Does anyone have
  any experience and/or recommendations about this? If it matters,
  I'll probably be using shapeways.com to do the actual printing.


I was under the impression the 3D printers used proprietary
software/formats.
Am I mistaken?



As far as I can tell, STL is accepted by most (if by printers you mean 
3D printing companies - if you mean printing machines, I have no idea 
but using a company to do the actual printing means it's not my problem).


Shapeways accepts STL, Collada, VRML and X3D files.

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Recommendations for 3D modelling code for 3D printing?

[Robert Huff]

Arthur Chance writes:

>  I need to make some parts using 3D printing, and was wondering
>  what software I should use to do the modelling. Does anyone have
>  any experience and/or recommendations about this? If it matters,
>  I'll probably be using shapeways.com to do the actual printing.

I was under the impression the 3D printers used proprietary
software/formats.
Am I mistaken?


Robert Huff

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Re: Recommendations for 3D modelling code for 3D printing?

[Jerry]

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:27:43 +
Arthur Chance  articulated:

> I need to make some parts using 3D printing, and was wondering what 
> software I should use to do the modelling. Does anyone have any 
> experience and/or recommendations about this? If it matters, I'll 
> probably be using shapeways.com to do the actual printing.

Perhaps this URL might prove useful:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_computer_graphics_software

For a comparison:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_3D_computer_graphics_software

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Recommendations for 3D modelling code for 3D printing?

[Arthur Chance]

I need to make some parts using 3D printing, and was wondering what 
software I should use to do the modelling. Does anyone have any 
experience and/or recommendations about this? If it matters, I'll 
probably be using shapeways.com to do the actual printing.

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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Diego Arias]

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 4:46 AM, Herbert J. Skuhra wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 02:21 +0100, "n j"  wrote:
>
> > If you know of any other FreeBSD VPS providers, please share.
>
> At the moment I am running a XEN/HVM VPS from:
>
> http://www.syscentral.de
>
> -Herbert
>
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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Herbert J. Skuhra]

On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 02:21 +0100, "n j"  wrote:
 
> If you know of any other FreeBSD VPS providers, please share.

At the moment I am running a XEN/HVM VPS from:

http://www.syscentral.de

-Herbert


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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Arthur Chance]

On 01/10/11 08:56, n j wrote:

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Usman  wrote:

http://www.ajkservers.co.uk
They support FreeBSD :)


FreeBSD is indeed listed as supported OS, but for every hosting plan,
the virtualization is stated as "OpenVZ". To my understanding, you
can't run FreeBSD on OpenVZ.


In case anyone else is thinking about using ajkservers, they definitely 
do *not* support FBSD. Their VPS plan page lists 5 Linux distros only.


Usman would appear to be a troll.

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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Usman]

Try http://www.ajkservers.co.uk

On Dec 29 2010, 6:02 pm, n j  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm looking for inexpensive but reliable FreeBSD VPS hosting. Any
> input coming from a positive personal experience will be most
> appreciated.
>
> So far the most likely candidate seems to 
> behttp://www.nqhost.com/unmetered-xen-vds.html. If anyone ever dealt
> with them, please share.
>
> TIA,
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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Usman]

http://www.ajkservers.co.uk

They support freeBSD :) God Luck

On Dec 29 2010, 6:02 pm, n j  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm looking for inexpensive but reliable FreeBSD VPS hosting. Any
> input coming from a positive personal experience will be most
> appreciated.
>
> So far the most likely candidate seems to 
> behttp://www.nqhost.com/unmetered-xen-vds.html. If anyone ever dealt
> with them, please share.
>
> TIA,
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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[n j]

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Usman  wrote:
> http://www.ajkservers.co.uk
> They support FreeBSD :)

FreeBSD is indeed listed as supported OS, but for every hosting plan,
the virtualization is stated as "OpenVZ". To my understanding, you
can't run FreeBSD on OpenVZ.

BTW, in the end I decided to go with http://www.nqhost.com/. I read a
lot of bad reviews on them, but their prices are really low and so far
I had no problems with my VPS. I haven't put the machine under any
serious load yet, though.

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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Usman]

http://www.ajkservers.co.uk
They support FreeBSD :)

On Dec 29 2010, 3:02 pm, n j  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm looking for inexpensive but reliable FreeBSD VPS hosting. Any
> input coming from a positive personal experience will be most
> appreciated.
>
> So far the most likely candidate seems to 
> behttp://www.nqhost.com/unmetered-xen-vds.html. If anyone ever dealt
> with them, please share.
>
> TIA,
> --
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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Thomas Abthorpe]

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:02:58AM +0100, n j wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm looking for inexpensive but reliable FreeBSD VPS hosting. Any
> input coming from a positive personal experience will be most
> appreciated.
> 
> So far the most likely candidate seems to be
> http://www.nqhost.com/unmetered-xen-vds.html. If anyone ever dealt
> with them, please share.
> 
> TIA,
> -- 
> Nino

Not a VPS, but http://your.org has made a great commitment to supporting
FreeBSD, and providing VM instances.


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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Alejandro Imass]

Hi all,

FYI (and ours ;-) ) the company I work with is __planning__ on
expanding our server usage at M5 hosting (which BTW provide
outstanding support and have really great infrastructure).

Anyway, in our new servers we are going to be migrating existing
customers to Jails, and we will probably have some capacity left, so
we were thinking of providing FBSD Jail services as such, but didn't
know for a fact there was a demand for such a service. Apparently
there is!

Are there any particular requirements that people here should think we
would be offering? I mean are there any specific
configurations/options that people wish for? SLA requirements, etc.?
If we actually do expand our servers I will let you know, but in the
mean time it would be helpful to understand the potential client
wishes.

Thanks,
Alex


On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Bruce Cran  wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:10:02 +
> Matthew Seaman  wrote:
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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Paul Macdonald]

http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html

I just rented a jail from exonetric.net - seems ok.




FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT is on aws now ( on EU instances too yay!)

still a bit slow as hell (if you're building stuff) on t1.micros tho..



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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Anton Shterenlikht]

On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 07:46:53PM +, Bruce Cran wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:10:02 +
> Matthew Seaman  wrote:
> 
> > On 30/12/2010 01:21, n j wrote:
> > > Thanks for the input, I'll look into the suggested options:
> > > 
> > > http://arpnetworks.com/vps
> > > http://www.rootbsd.net/virtual-hosting/
> > > http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_bsd.html
> > > 
> > > If you know of any other FreeBSD VPS providers, please share.
> > 
> > For people this side of the pond,
> 
> http://www.goscomb.net do FreeBSD VPS's too. They're a bit expensive but
> you get a VM that's just 0.6ms from Linx in the UK, great tech
> support and IPv6.

http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html

I just rented a jail from exonetric.net - seems ok.

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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Bruce Cran]

On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:10:02 +
Matthew Seaman  wrote:

> On 30/12/2010 01:21, n j wrote:
> > Thanks for the input, I'll look into the suggested options:
> > 
> > http://arpnetworks.com/vps
> > http://www.rootbsd.net/virtual-hosting/
> > http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_bsd.html
> > 
> > If you know of any other FreeBSD VPS providers, please share.
> 
> For people this side of the pond,

http://www.goscomb.net do FreeBSD VPS's too. They're a bit expensive but
you get a VM that's just 0.6ms from Linx in the UK, great tech
support and IPv6.

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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Frank Shute]

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 05:32:28PM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>
> > "n" == n j  writes:
> 
> n> Thanks for the input, I'll look into the suggested options:
> n> http://arpnetworks.com/vps
> n> http://www.rootbsd.net/virtual-hosting/
> n> http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_bsd.html
> 
> There are rumors of a FreeBSD AMI for Amazon S3 as well, although I
> can't find it on the prebuilt AMI pages yet.

http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2010-12-13-FreeBSD-on-EC2.html


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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Matthew Seaman]

On 30/12/2010 01:21, n j wrote:
> Thanks for the input, I'll look into the suggested options:
> 
> http://arpnetworks.com/vps
> http://www.rootbsd.net/virtual-hosting/
> http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_bsd.html
> 
> If you know of any other FreeBSD VPS providers, please share.

For people this side of the pond,

Not *V*PS, but hetzner.de provide some pretty good deals on dedicated
servers.

exonetric.com do FreeBSD Jails

elastichosts.com do VPSes of all sorts, including FreeBSD on top of
LinuxKVM.

Cheers,

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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Randal L. Schwartz]

> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz  writes:

Randal> There are rumors of a FreeBSD AMI for Amazon S3 as well, although I
Randal> can't find it on the prebuilt AMI pages yet.

And by that I mean Amazon EC2, not S3.  {sigh}

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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Randal L. Schwartz]

> "n" == n j  writes:

n> Thanks for the input, I'll look into the suggested options:
n> http://arpnetworks.com/vps
n> http://www.rootbsd.net/virtual-hosting/
n> http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_bsd.html

There are rumors of a FreeBSD AMI for Amazon S3 as well, although I
can't find it on the prebuilt AMI pages yet.

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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[David Scheidt]

On Dec 29, 2010, at 8:21 PM, n j wrote:

> Thanks for the input, I'll look into the suggested options:
> 
> http://arpnetworks.com/vps
> http://www.rootbsd.net/virtual-hosting/
> http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_bsd.html
> 
> If you know of any other FreeBSD VPS providers, please share.


I've got several with panix:
http://www.panix.com/corp/v-colo/vplans.html

Also includes IPv6 connectivity, not currenlty mentioned on that page.  
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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[n j]

Thanks for the input, I'll look into the suggested options:

http://arpnetworks.com/vps
http://www.rootbsd.net/virtual-hosting/
http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_bsd.html

If you know of any other FreeBSD VPS providers, please share.

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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Randal L. Schwartz]

> "Bruce" == Bruce Cran  writes:

Bruce> I can't see any mention of it on their site - do you know if they have
Bruce> datacentres other than in Los Angeles? Being based in Europe it's too
Bruce> far away.

Arp is only LA for now.

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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Bruce Cran]

On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:58:52 -0800
mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:

> If you're an expert, and require a minimum of handholding, I highly
> recommend arpnetworks.com.  I've had 4 boxes with them for a year, and
> am very pleased with the services offered and the resulting price.

I can't see any mention of it on their site - do you know if they have
datacentres other than in Los Angeles? Being based in Europe it's too
far away.

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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Eric]

n j wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm looking for inexpensive but reliable FreeBSD VPS hosting. Any
> input coming from a positive personal experience will be most
> appreciated.
> 
> So far the most likely candidate seems to be
> http://www.nqhost.com/unmetered-xen-vds.html. If anyone ever dealt
> with them, please share.
> 
> TIA,

ive had good experiences across a few servers with rootbsd.

Eric
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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

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>> "n" == n j  writes:
> 
> n> I'm looking for inexpensive but reliable FreeBSD VPS hosting. Any
> n> input coming from a positive personal experience will be most
> n> appreciated.

http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_bsd.html

They are excellent. The service is great, and they really understand the 
technology.


> 
> If you're an expert, and require a minimum of handholding, I highly
> recommend arpnetworks.com.  I've had 4 boxes with them for a year, and
> am very pleased with the services offered and the resulting price.
> 
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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Randal L. Schwartz]

> "n" == n j  writes:

n> I'm looking for inexpensive but reliable FreeBSD VPS hosting. Any
n> input coming from a positive personal experience will be most
n> appreciated.

If you're an expert, and require a minimum of handholding, I highly
recommend arpnetworks.com.  I've had 4 boxes with them for a year, and
am very pleased with the services offered and the resulting price.

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 http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
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Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[n j]

Hello,

I'm looking for inexpensive but reliable FreeBSD VPS hosting. Any
input coming from a positive personal experience will be most
appreciated.

So far the most likely candidate seems to be
http://www.nqhost.com/unmetered-xen-vds.html. If anyone ever dealt
with them, please share.

TIA,
-- 
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Re: printer recommendations?

[David Brodbeck]

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Charlie Kester  wrote:
> Thanks for suggesting the jetdirect cards, guys.  I vaguely remembered
> seeing something like that, but I assumed that if any still existed in
> operating condition, they were inside a printer and not available for
> seperate purchase.

I think what happens is when something finally kills the printer (like
a dead fuser), the card gets pulled as a spare, because it's easy to
remove.  But the cards practically never fail, so they end up just
sitting around.  At least that's the way it always happened for me. ;)
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Re: printer recommendations?

[Charlie Kester]

On Mon 20 Dec 2010 at 19:53:32 PST Reed Loefgren wrote:

On 12/20/10 18:05, Polytropon wrote:

On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:25:03 -0800, David Brodbeck  wrote:

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Charlie Kester  wrote:

As a last gasp effort, I gave my LJ4+ a thorough cleaning and replaced
the rollers for the output feed in the back.  And hey, it seems to be
working now!  The way it had been sounding, I was sure I'd broken
something the last time I replaced the toner cartridge after clearing a
paper jam.  But maybe I just didn't have the cartridge properly
seated...

So now I'm looking into ways to adapt it to use a network connection.

If you shop around you should be able to find an old JetDirect MIO
card that will slot into the back of it.  That's the best solution.

Agreed. There's an alternative solution that should be
mentioned: In the past, there have been adaptors from
parallel (Centronics) to RJ45 UTP network that could be
put directly onto the back of the printer. Other more
elegant solutions were small print servers, connected
and configured via network, allowing one or two parallel
printers to be attached. I'm not sure if such devices
are still sold, but you should be able to get a used
one for less than nothing. :-)



Just lurking. Twice now I've purchased jetdirect cards, new in the 
box, on ebay for less than US$15.00 each. They work flawlessly. 4 
Pluses are nice, much faster than my straight 4s. Built like a 
Checker Cab, almost as heavy...


LOL.  Nice image.  I was thinking it reminded me of my first car,
an old 1955 Chevy.

Thanks for suggesting the jetdirect cards, guys.  I vaguely remembered
seeing something like that, but I assumed that if any still existed in
operating condition, they were inside a printer and not available for
seperate purchase.
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Re: printer recommendations?

[Reed Loefgren]

On 12/20/10 18:05, Polytropon wrote:

On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:25:03 -0800, David Brodbeck  wrote:

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Charlie Kester  wrote:

As a last gasp effort, I gave my LJ4+ a thorough cleaning and replaced
the rollers for the output feed in the back.  And hey, it seems to be
working now!  The way it had been sounding, I was sure I'd broken
something the last time I replaced the toner cartridge after clearing a
paper jam.  But maybe I just didn't have the cartridge properly
seated...

So now I'm looking into ways to adapt it to use a network connection.

If you shop around you should be able to find an old JetDirect MIO
card that will slot into the back of it.  That's the best solution.

Agreed. There's an alternative solution that should be
mentioned: In the past, there have been adaptors from
parallel (Centronics) to RJ45 UTP network that could be
put directly onto the back of the printer. Other more
elegant solutions were small print servers, connected
and configured via network, allowing one or two parallel
printers to be attached. I'm not sure if such devices
are still sold, but you should be able to get a used
one for less than nothing. :-)



Just lurking. Twice now I've purchased jetdirect cards, new in the box, 
on ebay for less than US$15.00 each. They work flawlessly. 4 Pluses are 
nice, much faster than my straight 4s. Built like a Checker Cab, almost 
as heavy...


r
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Re: printer recommendations?

[Polytropon]

On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:25:03 -0800, David Brodbeck  wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Charlie Kester  wrote:
> > As a last gasp effort, I gave my LJ4+ a thorough cleaning and replaced
> > the rollers for the output feed in the back.  And hey, it seems to be
> > working now!  The way it had been sounding, I was sure I'd broken
> > something the last time I replaced the toner cartridge after clearing a
> > paper jam.  But maybe I just didn't have the cartridge properly
> > seated...
> >
> > So now I'm looking into ways to adapt it to use a network connection.
> 
> If you shop around you should be able to find an old JetDirect MIO
> card that will slot into the back of it.  That's the best solution.

Agreed. There's an alternative solution that should be
mentioned: In the past, there have been adaptors from
parallel (Centronics) to RJ45 UTP network that could be
put directly onto the back of the printer. Other more
elegant solutions were small print servers, connected
and configured via network, allowing one or two parallel
printers to be attached. I'm not sure if such devices
are still sold, but you should be able to get a used
one for less than nothing. :-)



-- 
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Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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Re: printer recommendations?

[David Brodbeck]

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Charlie Kester  wrote:
> As a last gasp effort, I gave my LJ4+ a thorough cleaning and replaced
> the rollers for the output feed in the back.  And hey, it seems to be
> working now!  The way it had been sounding, I was sure I'd broken
> something the last time I replaced the toner cartridge after clearing a
> paper jam.  But maybe I just didn't have the cartridge properly
> seated...
>
> So now I'm looking into ways to adapt it to use a network connection.

If you shop around you should be able to find an old JetDirect MIO
card that will slot into the back of it.  That's the best solution.
There's actually a bit of a glut of them so it shouldn't be hard to
obtain one.  I tried to eBay one a while back and couldn't get a
nibble even at $5.  Computer surplus places are a good place to look
for these cards, although you may have to take the printer that's
attached to it. ;)  IIRC they were the same from the original LaserJet
up through the LJ4.
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Re: printer recommendations?

[Charlie Kester]

On Tue 07 Dec 2010 at 23:39:26 PST Polytropon wrote:

On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 21:57:49 -0800, Charlie Kester  wrote:

My LJ4+ was connected via parallel and I never noticed any problems with
error messages or the speed.



Error messages: This started with FreeBSD 7. The system
log gets full of

lpt0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
lpt0: [ITHREAD]

when printing. I even have

hw.intr_storm_threshold="1000"

in /boot/loader.conf. I didn't have this problem with 4 and 5.


Oh yeah, *those* messages.  I did have those too.

As a last gasp effort, I gave my LJ4+ a thorough cleaning and replaced
the rollers for the output feed in the back.  And hey, it seems to be
working now!  The way it had been sounding, I was sure I'd broken
something the last time I replaced the toner cartridge after clearing a
paper jam.  But maybe I just didn't have the cartridge properly
seated...

So now I'm looking into ways to adapt it to use a network connection.
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Re: printer recommendations?

[Polytropon]

On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 21:57:49 -0800, Charlie Kester  wrote:
> My LJ4+ was connected via parallel and I never noticed any problems with
> error messages or the speed. 

Speed: It's just faster with PCL than with PS. Given a
multi-page output, the printer is in constant action
loading paper, duplexing, printing and ejecting, so
no big deal.

Error messages: This started with FreeBSD 7. The system
log gets full of

lpt0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
lpt0: [ITHREAD]

when printing. I even have 

hw.intr_storm_threshold="1000"

in /boot/loader.conf. I didn't have this problem with 4 and 5.
But hey, the printer works (again), and with my "new" system
getting ready for 8 and networked printing, I won't complain. :-)



> I'm OK with a printer that's as slow as I am.  ;)

As long as the printer isn't as tall as you are... :-)




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Re: printer recommendations?

[David Brodbeck]

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Polytropon  wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 20:38:05 -0800, Charlie Kester  
> wrote:
>> My old HP Laserjet 4+ is broken and I'm thinking about buying a new
>> printer.
>
> In case you have been happy with your 4+, consider getting
> a used HP office-class laser printer. I can recommend the
> HP LaserJet 4000 (maybe including a duplexer, very handy).
> Interfaces are parallel and network - use network if possible.

I have a LaserJet 2300n that's also worked out very well.  It has
about the same footprint as the 4m it replaced, but it's much faster.
Good network interface and good Postscript support.  The paper trays
seem a little flimsy compared to the 4, but I haven't broken one yet.

> Used office-class equipment, I can't emphasize it enough. The
> HP Laserjet printers have a good "eco-mode standby behaviour",
> so even energy costs are low

Yup.  I checked mine with a Kill-A-Watt and found no measurable power
draw (less than 1 watt) in standby.  After that I stopped bothering to
turn it off.
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Re: printer recommendations?

[Ian Smith]

On 4 Dec 2010 17:25:34 - John Levine  wrote:
 > >> My printer is a sturdy old Lexmark Optra T610.  CUPS has a driver,
 > >> which does duplex, N-up, and so forth.  Each toner cartridge is good
 > >> for over 10K pages, so I buy one about every two years, and I can
 > >> usually find one for $100, making the per page cost very low.
 > 
 > >Lexmarks are very badly designed (but very slowly getting better 
 > >ergonomically), expensive to run, and crap themselves with generic 
 > >toner. ...
 > 
 > So, just to be clear, you're telling me that I am imagining the fact
 > that my printer has worked reliably for ten years?
 > 
 > I can believe that Lexmark has made bad printers, but if you can
 > still find an Optra T, they're great.

Yeah, but perhaps they don't work as well in the Queensland sun?

South of the border, some say the same can be said of people :-)

 > R's,
 > John

cheers, Ian
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Re: printer recommendations?

[Da Rock]

On 12/05/10 03:25, John Levine wrote:

My printer is a sturdy old Lexmark Optra T610.  CUPS has a driver,
which does duplex, N-up, and so forth.  Each toner cartridge is good
for over 10K pages, so I buy one about every two years, and I can
usually find one for $100, making the per page cost very low.
   
   

Lexmarks are very badly designed (but very slowly getting better
ergonomically), expensive to run, and crap themselves with generic
toner. ...
 

So, just to be clear, you're telling me that I am imagining the fact
that my printer has worked reliably for ten years?

   

You got galactically lucky.

I can believe that Lexmark has made bad printers, but if you can
still find an Optra T, they're great.
   
Having recently spent some time in a place where I fixed Lexmarks on a 
regular basis I'd find that very had to believe. I'd steer clear of any 
Lexmark printer, but the T's were the biggest white elephant I've ever 
come across- and I have worked on just about every make known. I'd 
repair around 100 a week, and many I'd seen the previous week with a 
different error. The error codes are enigmatic, and the repair 
procedures (by Lexmark themselves) have no clue as to what is really 
happening. You just get used to whats what and fix it.


And that was just recent experience. My longer term experience shows me 
that this is not an age related problem but an inherent lack of 
experience in building printers. IBM make computers- they make very shit 
printers, but they were tired of losing to the competition who were good 
at making printers, so they decided to throw their hat in the ring as well.


Quality wise they don't even rate either. I'd say Xerox, HP, Canon are 
competitive- at the higher end are good photo laser. Kyocera, HP make 
the most durable and reliable workgroup class- Kyocera offer a cheaper 
rate than any. Oki... not entirely sure. They used to make cheap 
photocopiers which were reasonable. Canon and Kyocera SOHO personal 
lasers are neck and neck. The rest are so so. But by far my worst 
experience has been pretty much anything with Lexmark on it- ink or laser.


Inkjets its between Epson and Canon, Epson are good to OSS and Canon are 
cheap to run. Epson definitely produce a better photo though. But an 
Epson laser is very expensive to fix.


I have a Samsung colour laser which I had some driver issues with (but 
got it working very well now), and I've used Canon inkjets and Xerox 
personal lasers. I am a tech and I know what runs and what the monthly 
output ratings are, as well as service counters. The monthly output of a 
workgroup Lexmark is not even a third of the Kyocera SOHO laser- that 
should tell you something: 100,000 pages a month for a Kyocera 1020D 
(personal/SOHO), compared to 30,000 for a Lexmark T630 (workgroup). 
Ridiculous to think they'd even compete! Plus the Kyocera is around 
$500-600 compared to $3000 for Lexmark? I've seen the Lex get replaced 
by 2 1020D's- redundancy and duplexing for 1/3 the price! Not even a 
second thought...


Good luck to you, but I wouldn't bother looking to repair the T610...
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Re: printer recommendations?

[John Levine]

>> My printer is a sturdy old Lexmark Optra T610.  CUPS has a driver,
>> which does duplex, N-up, and so forth.  Each toner cartridge is good
>> for over 10K pages, so I buy one about every two years, and I can
>> usually find one for $100, making the per page cost very low.

>Lexmarks are very badly designed (but very slowly getting better 
>ergonomically), expensive to run, and crap themselves with generic 
>toner. ...

So, just to be clear, you're telling me that I am imagining the fact
that my printer has worked reliably for ten years?

I can believe that Lexmark has made bad printers, but if you can
still find an Optra T, they're great.

R's,
John
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Re: printer recommendations?

[Da Rock]

On 12/04/10 14:23, John Levine wrote:

Network is the way to go. USB *may* be okay. Parallel is not
living anymore - allthough I'm still using it that way, but
my home setting is a life support system for obsolete
technology anyway. :-)
   

My printer is a sturdy old Lexmark Optra T610.  CUPS has a driver,
which does duplex, N-up, and so forth.  Each toner cartridge is good
for over 10K pages, so I buy one about every two years, and I can
usually find one for $100, making the per page cost very low.

I bought a USB to parallel adapter cable for about $10 which works
well, drives the printer fast without swamping the PC.

R's,
John
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Pardon me, but Oh God No! Anything but that!

As a tech from the industry (and I'll have to adjust my comments from 
before) I must say some manufacturers were never meant to build 
printers! IBM should have stuck to the computing and stayed the hell 
away from printers...


Lexmarks are very badly designed (but very slowly getting better 
ergonomically), expensive to run, and crap themselves with generic 
toner. They are unreliable, and I've seen big corporations jump up and 
down about it not running, and then if they're not in an IBM contract 
they will go out and buy two small kyocera 1010/1020 (whatever they're 
up to now) to do the same job better and with more features for a lower 
cost- and give them redundancy to boot.


Bottom line is that unless they've entered a contract with IBM there are 
many _far_ better printers out there cheaper and heaps more reliable.


And a 610 was one of their first- so not only was is crap to start, its 
worse now, and EOL by about 5 years so no parts.


For comparison the closest Kyocera (the most reliable cheap printer I've 
experienced- and I've been repairing printers for over 10 years now, and 
Xerox biased) say 10xx is half the footprint, at least triple the output 
per month, double capacity toner, and half again in speed. New they're 
about 1/6 price, and I've only serviced them a third as much. Lexmark 
parts are double and more the price, and last half as long. I'd visit 
them around once a fortnight (and thats being nice) for service, more 
frequently under heavy load. The newer ones can be worse- they look like 
kyoceras but are very touchy and a pain to fix.


So, to adjust my earlier statements: just about any printer will work, 
just don't expect photo quality- just stay very well clear of a Lexmark! 
I agree ink would not be a good way to go, toner is more efficient and 
cost friendly, but either way cheap upfront and low cost maintenance is 
still a very tall order. As others have mentioned, a good ex-office HP 
is probably a good investment. Very durable and parts plentiful- and 
probably the only way to achieve the cheap tall order :)


HTH

BTW if you have a HP laser check Canon for toner compatibility- cheaper 
and essentially the same.

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Re: printer recommendations?

[Charlie Kester]

On Fri 03 Dec 2010 at 19:29:52 PST Polytropon wrote:

On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 19:26:43 -0700 (MST), Warren Block  
wrote:

The last time I used parallel on FreeBSD, it was slow...well, slower
than expected.  Haven't really tested USB printers for speed.
Ethernet is superior in many ways.


The speed is acceptable, just the "error messages" are annoying,
started with FreeBSD 7, I think. I do feed PCL into the printer
as this is faster than PS, but recent office class printers do
provide good (and FAST!) PS support. An example for a well-designed
internal CPU is the Kyocera FS-3900DN which also supports
different "personalities"; it might be considered "expensive",
but it will pay.


My LJ4+ was connected via parallel and I never noticed any problems with
error messages or the speed.  But I had nothing to benchmark the speed
against, so maybe I just didn't know what I was missing.

I'm OK with a printer that's as slow as I am.  ;)
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Re: printer recommendations?

[John Levine]

>> Network is the way to go. USB *may* be okay. Parallel is not
>> living anymore - allthough I'm still using it that way, but
>> my home setting is a life support system for obsolete
>> technology anyway. :-)

My printer is a sturdy old Lexmark Optra T610.  CUPS has a driver,
which does duplex, N-up, and so forth.  Each toner cartridge is good
for over 10K pages, so I buy one about every two years, and I can
usually find one for $100, making the per page cost very low.

I bought a USB to parallel adapter cable for about $10 which works
well, drives the printer fast without swamping the PC.

R's,
John
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Re: printer recommendations?

[Polytropon]

On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 19:26:43 -0700 (MST), Warren Block  
wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, Polytropon wrote:
> 
> > I'm using a HP Laserjet 4000 duplex for more than 5 years now
> > at home, I'm happy with it, allthough it's a _huge_ printer
> > with all the accessories, but I don't care for that.
> 
> It's only huge in comparison to smaller, lesser printers.  A LaserJet 
> 8000 makes a 4000 look small.

Not a big difference. Rotate printer 90 degree and make
sure it has enough (at least two) additional (!) paper
supply cartridges. :-)



> > Used office-class equipment, I can't emphasize it enough. The
> > HP Laserjet printers have a good "eco-mode standby behaviour",
> > so even energy costs are low, compared to the usual home consumer
> > ink-pee stuff where a seperate power supply consumes energy
> > even when the printer is "off" (haha).
> 
> Office-class printers also have power switches, so they can be turned 
> off for zero power consumption.  Some home printers don't have a power 
> switch at all.

I thought it was obvious that REAL printers have REAL power
switches. But you're right of course: Power consumption is
zero when switched off, and you will notice that when using
the printer occassionally (compare cummulative standby to zero).



> The last time I used parallel on FreeBSD, it was slow...well, slower 
> than expected.  Haven't really tested USB printers for speed.  Ethernet 
> is superior in many ways.

The speed is acceptable, just the "error messages" are annoying,
started with FreeBSD 7, I think. I do feed PCL into the printer
as this is faster than PS, but recent office class printers do
provide good (and FAST!) PS support. An example for a well-designed
internal CPU is the Kyocera FS-3900DN which also supports
different "personalities"; it might be considered "expensive",
but it will pay.

Good networking printers usually do provide their own lpd, so
you can simply hand them the files according to the IP. The
system's lp* commands (lpr, lpq, lprm) then query the printer.
A simple entry in /etc/printcap is enough to make them work.
No "drivers", "USB access permissions" or other strange
stuff is needed.




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Re: printer recommendations?

[Warren Block]

On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, Polytropon wrote:


I'm using a HP Laserjet 4000 duplex for more than 5 years now
at home, I'm happy with it, allthough it's a _huge_ printer
with all the accessories, but I don't care for that.


It's only huge in comparison to smaller, lesser printers.  A LaserJet 
8000 makes a 4000 look small.



Used office-class equipment, I can't emphasize it enough. The
HP Laserjet printers have a good "eco-mode standby behaviour",
so even energy costs are low, compared to the usual home consumer
ink-pee stuff where a seperate power supply consumes energy
even when the printer is "off" (haha).


Office-class printers also have power switches, so they can be turned 
off for zero power consumption.  Some home printers don't have a power 
switch at all.



- Any interface is OK. Parallel, USB, networked.


Network is the way to go. USB *may* be okay. Parallel is not
living anymore - allthough I'm still using it that way, but
my home setting is a life support system for obsolete
technology anyway. :-)


The last time I used parallel on FreeBSD, it was slow...well, slower 
than expected.  Haven't really tested USB printers for speed.  Ethernet 
is superior in many ways.

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Re: printer recommendations?

[Polytropon]

On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 20:38:05 -0800, Charlie Kester  wrote:
> My old HP Laserjet 4+ is broken and I'm thinking about buying a new
> printer. 

In case you have been happy with your 4+, consider getting
a used HP office-class laser printer. I can recommend the
HP LaserJet 4000 (maybe including a duplexer, very handy).
Interfaces are parallel and network - use network if possible.



> I'd appreciate hearing recommendations from the list.

Office-class equipment. Really. Don't mess with home consumer
crap - it will turn out to be more expensive than you might
think at the beginning. Used office-class hardware is okay.
If possible, test it before buying.



> My requirements:
> 
> - Compatible with FreeBSD (obviously)

Make sure it conforms to existing standards. Postscript is
good, PCL is good. Both are well supported, and PS makes your
life even easier.



> - Laserjet preferred.  Black & White only.  I don't need to print photos
>or business brochures.

I'm using a HP Laserjet 4000 duplex for more than 5 years now
at home, I'm happy with it, allthough it's a _huge_ printer
with all the accessories, but I don't care for that.

On a secondary system, I have a HP Laserjet 4 (the "normal 4"),
which I own for more than 15 years now and did HEAVILY use it.
I got it as a used printer, so I can't tell you what the pre-owner
did with it. This printer is still FULLY FUNCTIONAL. This should
give you an impression of HOW GOOD "old hardware" is - if you
have the right one.



> - Very light home usage.  (Tax forms and the occasional printout of a
>software manual for offline study.)

Also a plus for a laser printer. Unlike regular home-crap ink,
toner doesn't get solid. One toner cartridge should serve you
many years.



> - Low upfront and maintenance costs. Printers are like the old Gillette
>razors: the money's in the blades (toner or ink cartridges), not the
>device.  

Used office-class equipment, I can't emphasize it enough. The
HP Laserjet printers have a good "eco-mode standby behaviour",
so even energy costs are low, compared to the usual home consumer
ink-pee stuff where a seperate power supply consumes energy
even when the printer is "off" (haha).



> - Any interface is OK. Parallel, USB, networked.

Network is the way to go. USB *may* be okay. Parallel is not
living anymore - allthough I'm still using it that way, but
my home setting is a life support system for obsolete
technology anyway. :-)





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Re: printer recommendations?

[David Kelly]

On Dec 2, 2010, at 10:38 PM, Charlie Kester wrote:

> My old HP Laserjet 4+ is broken and I'm thinking about buying a new
> printer.  I'd appreciate hearing recommendations from the list.

My Brother HL5250DN has served 14,000 pages very satisfactorily so far. Was 
$250 full MSRP at Staples in 2005 or 2006. Believe the current version is 5350. 
Commonly appear on sale for $189 (but not that I've seen at Staples).

The xx50's have PCL and Postscript emulation, an xx40 only has PCL. xx70 
appears to be a 50 with WiFi.

"D" stands for duplex.

"N" for ethernet. Speaks lpd.

3rd party toner refills for 7,000 pages are $20.

The one thing my 5250 has disappointed is printing of envelopes. The envelope 
gets printed but comes out wrinkled and nearly wadded up. Perhaps the 53xx's 
fixed this? I keep an HP inkjet loaded with envelopes. This is important 
because I print something like 2 envelopes per month.  :-)

Several years ago I was secretary/treasurer of a dirtbike club and was printing 
as many as 1800 envelopes and the materials inside the envelopes per year. Many 
times I went to the Post Office and bought $400 of stamps.

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Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.



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Re: printer recommendations?

[Da Rock]

On 12/03/10 14:38, Charlie Kester wrote:

My old HP Laserjet 4+ is broken and I'm thinking about buying a new
printer.  I'd appreciate hearing recommendations from the list.

My requirements:

- Compatible with FreeBSD (obviously)

- Laserjet preferred.  Black & White only.  I don't need to print photos
  or business brochures.

- Very light home usage.  (Tax forms and the occasional printout of a
  software manual for offline study.)

- Low upfront and maintenance costs. Printers are like the old Gillette
  razors: the money's in the blades (toner or ink cartridges), not the
  device.
- Any interface is OK. Parallel, USB, networked.

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I haven't had too much trouble with printers except for photo and colour 
ones. Check the foomatic db and you should be fine. I have got a canon 
pixma photo printer and a samsung colour laser working with no trouble, 
just can't get photo quality so you should have no trouble I'd reckon.


Low up front _and_ maintenance costs is pushing it IMO- like oil and 
water: never together. But of course that is always relative :) And it 
is also relative to where you live too.


Just my 2c... :) Good luck!
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printer recommendations?

[Charlie Kester]

My old HP Laserjet 4+ is broken and I'm thinking about buying a new
printer.  I'd appreciate hearing recommendations from the list.

My requirements:

- Compatible with FreeBSD (obviously)

- Laserjet preferred.  Black & White only.  I don't need to print photos
  or business brochures.

- Very light home usage.  (Tax forms and the occasional printout of a
  software manual for offline study.)

- Low upfront and maintenance costs. Printers are like the old Gillette
  razors: the money's in the blades (toner or ink cartridges), not the
  device.  

- Any interface is OK. Parallel, USB, networked.



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802.11 USB recommendations

[Justin V.]

Can anyone recommend a stable USB Wifi NIC??

Mine seems to be having issues:


[...@yeaguy ~]$ cat /var/log/messages | grep wlan0
Nov  4 19:03:29 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: Ethernet address: 00:1e:e5:a8:bd:5a
Nov  4 19:03:30 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP
Nov  4 20:59:53 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: Ethernet address: 00:1e:e5:a8:bd:5a
Nov  4 20:59:54 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP
Nov  6 00:16:15 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to DOWN
Nov  6 00:16:19 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP
Nov  6 00:16:47 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to DOWN
Nov  6 00:16:47 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP
Nov  6 00:17:30 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to DOWN
Nov  6 00:17:31 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP
Nov  6 04:23:40 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to DOWN
Nov  6 04:23:53 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP
Nov  6 10:28:18 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to DOWN
Nov  6 10:28:28 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP

[...@yeaguy ~]$ grep rum /var/run/dmesg.boot
rum0: 2.00/0.01, addr 2> on usbus2

rum0: MAC/BBP RT2573 (rev 0x2573a), RF RT2528
rum0: need multicast update callback
[...@yeaguy ~]$


Thanks




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Re: Mailing list software recommendations

[Julian H. Stacey]

> > I'm thinking about installing either ezmlm or mailman.
> > 
> > I'm not against others; thoughts?

To quote my:
http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/FreeBSD/ports/gen/mail/mailman/files/
  "An agressive 5 minute killer python loop in /var/cron/tanbs/mailman
  has been killing my hosts for 5 years"

I dont know if they fixed it.
What worried me was what else might be sloppy & dangerous,
& I didnt have time/ enthusiasm to do a code read through.

One day, if when & after mailman has a code read through to confirm
it has no more killer loops, I'd like to find time for a 2nd stab
to convert all my lists on majord...@berklix.org to mailman.

Cheers,
Julian
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Re: Mailing list software recommendations

[Jerry]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:34:15 -0500
Ryan Coleman  articulated:

> I'm thinking about installing either ezmlm or mailman.
> 
> I'm not against others; thoughts?

DADA Mail,  is an excellent program. It is
not in the ports system although it is on my list of things to do
eventually.

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Mailing list software recommendations

[Ryan Coleman]

I'm thinking about installing either ezmlm or mailman.

I'm not against others; thoughts?


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Re: PDF storage software recommendations?

[Michael Grünewald]

Hi all,

Polytropon wrote:


On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 19:24:52 -0700 (PDT), Bill Tillman  
wrote:

But put me
down for a vote on this method using simple text files and awk.


It JUST WORKS - that's the goal. It can be developed and configured
very fast, can easily be extended (or limited), and data is stored
in a STANDARD (!!!) format which allows you to do ANYTHING with
it. You can even provide a web-driven interface for the database,
even that is possible.


I use for my work a solution matching Polytopon's suggestion, it sounds 
very to natural to the UNIX user in me :)  I am a scientist and have to 
daily deal with an increasing amount of electronic papers, made 
available in PDF, DJVU, PostScript or even Tiff.  I organised my library 
so that each document get its own directory. Each directory then 
contains the document file(s) per itself and meta information,  stored 
along in files whose names are fixed (for instance +INDEX for general 
information, +BIBTEX for BibTeX fata, etc.).


I only need a couple of hours to write a program easing the addition of 
a document to the library and another one generating a HTML index out of 
the meta informations, and while my system is far from perfect, it 
exists, and helps me every day.


I also had to help colleagues in various ways with their computer, 
sometimes giving them some (seemingly) very unfriendly scripts I wrote. 
My experience with this, is that, provided I show these people how it 
works and supervise their first steps with the program, they can 
actually use it and like it, despite the fact that the experience 
offered by the program is at first not as nice to them as the one 
offered by a GUI.


However, being a scientist, I would not consider my working environment 
as `standard', whatever it means!



We have a Windows based system at my current job which uses
FileMaker Pro. It's amazing what we can do with this and it's
like having a gigantic electronic filing cabinet.


Oh, the paperless office... an utopia - at least in Germany,
bureaucracy's home country. :-)


I thought France was that :)  Rules are sometimes changing so often that 
administrative staff does not always has time to catch up them all! 
Nevertheless all of this bureaucracy is sometimes very useful too---but 
it is always a bit annoying ;)


Cheers,
Michael
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Re: PDF storage software recommendations?

[Polytropon]

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 19:24:52 -0700 (PDT), Bill Tillman  
wrote:
> 
> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 23:31:15 -0700
> From: Charlie Kester 
> Subject: Re: PDF storage software recommendations?
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <20100618063115.ga57...@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> 
> On Thu 17 Jun 2010 at 19:57:03 PDT Polytropon wrote:
> >
> >Maybe my answer will sound "low level", but it works - REALLY works -
> >and works with mostly every kind of data.
> >
> >It's good to see someone recommending a true Unix-style solution.  :)
> 
> Here, here.  I too love simple text files. With the speed of today's
> computers it's not impractical to use text files.

That's basically what you have computer for - to make work faster,
not slower. :-)



> And something like you suggest with awk I think would workexcept
> for one major thing. When building a database like this you usually
> have to build an interface that normal users will work with.

That's why I suggested building a shell + Tcl/Tk script around it
for the various "database operations" you can perform with it. The
idea is that it is customizable ad infinitum, because everything is
programmable into deepest details.



> And something that I could use versus something the other people
> in the office could use are often worlds apart. I once wrote a
> program to do linear optimization for cutting metal parts from
> stock lengths. For me it was a simple block of code about 30-40
> lines as I recall. The other guys in the warehouse saw it and
> told the boss they wanted it too. He then instructed me to expand
> it so the common users could work with it. Well 2 months later
> and about another 400 lines of code to make it user friendly we
> finally had something. So as I see it the interface for other
> "not so tech-savvy" users will be the trouble with this approach.

This sounds familiar. :-) I've also walked this way for "average
users", at this time, by choice was to create a GUI control program
using C with Gtk. Today, I would consider that totally overhead.
My "average users" were psychiatrists, so any assumption about
intelligency would not match the reality. :-)

You wonder how people got their work done on 80x25 in a "wrong"
language 30 years ago...


> But put me
> down for a vote on this method using simple text files and awk.

It JUST WORKS - that's the goal. It can be developed and configured
very fast, can easily be extended (or limited), and data is stored
in a STANDARD (!!!) format which allows you to do ANYTHING with
it. You can even provide a web-driven interface for the database,
even that is possible.



> We have a Windows based system at my current job which uses
> FileMaker Pro. It's amazing what we can do with this and it's
> like having a gigantic electronic filing cabinet.

Oh, the paperless office... an utopia - at least in Germany,
bureaucracy's home country. :-)

Anyway, relying on a "Windows" program is, in my opinion, not the
best choice for a long-term project such as document filing. With
the constant transitions in the underlyíng OS, and the immense
costs, as well as the lock-in driven by closed (non-standard)
formats, and finally through the limitation of what the original
program developers did provide, makes me wonder if this can really
be useful for longer times (let's say, +20 years - where the "low
level" solution does still work).



> It's pricey and it took the IT guys some time to build it but
> it does do some fantastic things in keeping tons of files organized,
> indexed and searchable. But I'd like to try my hand at building
> something with text files and awk.

Just imagine about 20 years in the future, and you'll see what's
the better solution. :-)



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Re: PDF storage software recommendations?

[Bill Tillman]

Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 23:31:15 -0700
From: Charlie Kester 
Subject: Re: PDF storage software recommendations?
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <20100618063115.ga57...@comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

On Thu 17 Jun 2010 at 19:57:03 PDT Polytropon wrote:
>
>Maybe my answer will sound "low level", but it works - REALLY works -
>and works with mostly every kind of data.
>
>It's good to see someone recommending a true Unix-style solution.  :)

Here, here.  I too love simple text files. With the speed of today's computers 
it's not impractical to use text files. And something like you suggest with awk 
I think would workexcept for one major thing. When building a database like 
this you usually have to build an interface that normal users will work with. 
And something that I could use versus something the other people in the office 
could use are often worlds apart. I once wrote a program to do linear 
optimization for cutting metal parts from stock lengths. For me it was a simple 
block of code about 30-40 lines as I recall. The other guys in the warehouse 
saw it and told the boss they wanted it too. He then instructed me to expand it 
so the common users could work with it. Well 2 months later and about another 
400 lines of code to make it user friendly we finally had something. So as I 
see it the interface for other "not so tech-savvy" users will be the trouble 
with this approach. But put me
 down for a vote on this method using simple text files and awk.
 
We have a Windows based system at my current job which uses FileMaker Pro. It's 
amazing what we can do with this and it's like having a gigantic electronic 
filing cabinet. It's pricey and it took the IT guys some time to build it but 
it does do some fantastic things in keeping tons of files organized, indexed 
and searchable. But I'd like to try my hand at building something with text 
files and awk.



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Re: PDF storage software recommendations?

[Andrea Venturoli]

On 06/17/10 22:54, Dale Scott wrote:


I'm experimenting with OpenDocMan (PHP/MySQL, http://www.opendocman.com/)


We evaluated OpenDocMan (not me personally) and ended up choosing 
KnowledgeTree. YMMV.


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Re: PDF storage software recommendations?

[Charlie Kester]

On Thu 17 Jun 2010 at 19:57:03 PDT Polytropon wrote:


Maybe my answer will sound "low level", but it works - REALLY works -
and works with mostly every kind of data.


It's good to see someone recommending a true Unix-style solution.  :)
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Re: PDF storage software recommendations?

[Polytropon]

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:22:37 -0400, "Michael W. Lucas" 
 wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have to store a bunch of PDFs of orders.  I'd like to be able to
> "tag" these by customer, date, and a couple of other characteristics,
> and then search and/or sort by these tags.
> 
> I'm certain that we have something in ports that will do this, but
> danged if I can find a good candidate.  While I'm sure I could build a
> database/PHP app that would work, surely someone's already done this?
> Any recommendations?

Maybe my answer will sound "low level", but it works - REALLY works -
and works with mostly every kind of data.

Basically, you need to keep two things in mind:
1. PDF file filenames
2. a CSV database with a known format.

Let's say you don't care much for the PDF file names. It's okay,
as you don't have to. YOu have just to make sure that there aren't
two files with the same name (but IF they are, different path
prefixes / subdirs make it possible).

Let's furthermore say you maintain a file of a format like this:

# $1: $2: $3: $4
# filename  : Customer Name : Date  : Keywords
# --:---:---:
0477763.pdf : Sixpack J. Q. : 2010-05-12: paper, plastics
76248873aT.pdf  : Meow C.   : 2009-03-18: fish, chips, beer
UF/5u7r3jh.pdf  : Woof D.   : 2010-01-05: explosives
rrw85673.pdf: Monk A.   : 2010-04-23: tissues, water

Now you can easily search it (as it is pure text), and you can
use scripts (e. g. written in awk) to obtain specific information
and perform certain actions (like calling a PDF viewer program
with one or more files you want to view, or print files that
match a certain criteria you can query for). You can use a script
to compact the database (remove the "pretty printing" that helps
when manually editing the file), or even sort it. The file name
can then "point to" a specific subtree with all the "tricks" you
can do on file system level.

You can also easily (!) write your own GUI wrapper for a shell
script that does
- create new entries
- edit entries
- remove entries
- search for entries
- perform actions (open in viewer, print to printer)
- add new / remove unneeded data columns
I'd even recommend using Tcl/Tk for that.

Oh, and did I mention that you can not only use this for PDF
files, but for ALL files? It's very versatile and extendible.
It doesn't tie you to a specific program. Additionally, it can
be used on many platforms this way.

You even don't need PHP or databases for that. :-)



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Re: PDF storage software recommendations?

[Dale Scott]

> I'm certain that we have something in ports that will do this, but
> danged if I can find a good candidate.  While I'm sure I 
> could build a
> database/PHP app that would work, surely someone's already done this?
> Any recommendations?

I'm experimenting with OpenDocMan (PHP/MySQL, http://www.opendocman.com/) for 
storing ad hoc documents associated with part numbers in a WebERP system 
(http://www.weberp.org). system. OpenDocMan has been around for a while and 
didn't see a lot of activity after release, but seems to be pretty active 
again. We added a menu item in the WebERP ItemMaster page for a user to submit 
an associated document, which is just a link to the submit document page in 
OpenDocMan (also added a "Search for Associated Documents" menu item which is a 
link to a search in OpenDocMan for documents associated with that part number). 
If there are multiple documents associated with part number, the user would 
have to zip the documents and then check-in the zip archive. This concept can 
be applied to other documents, such as a received purchase order which is then 
associated with a new internal sales order and production order.

I'm also investigating using Mercurial and the Windows TortoiseHg client (or a 
simplfied custom "management-and-incoming-inspection-clerk" friendly client) to 
check-in an arbitrary directory structure. Users could create a local directory 
on their Windows box for mini-project work (e.g., datasheets for a 
commercial-off-the-shelf part, Word doc and graphics for a user manual, sales 
analysis spreadsheet and PowerPoint presentation, custom part drawings and work 
instruction, etc.), and when they're finished, "check-in" the directory. I 
think the folder check-in might be a simpler concept for casual users, but need 
to finish the strawman and get some critique.

Dale

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Re: PDF storage software recommendations?

[Elliot Finley]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=open+source+document+management+system&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Michael W. Lucas <
mwlu...@blackhelicopters.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 01:12:13PM -0400, Greg Larkin wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> > Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have to store a bunch of PDFs of orders.  I'd like to be able to
> > > "tag" these by customer, date, and a couple of other characteristics,
> > > and then search and/or sort by these tags.
> > >
> > > I'm certain that we have something in ports that will do this, but
> > > danged if I can find a good candidate.  While I'm sure I could build a
> > > database/PHP app that would work, surely someone's already done this?
> > > Any recommendations?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > ==ml
> > >
> >
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > I maintain print/pdftk, and you can edit document metadata with it.  The
> > "updateinfo" subcommand should do what you want.  I found this page
> > describing that and some other functions of the tool:
> > http://scottnesbitt.net/ubuntublog/?p=269.
>
> That looks like a fabulous tool, actually.  I've wanted that
> functionality for years.  But it's not quite what I want.
>
> We get orders for services via PDF.  We need to keep them, and call
> them up months or years later.  We'd need to find things like "all of
> the PDFs for Customer X" or "all of the PDFs for circuit ID
> such-and-such."  Surely other people have had this problem, for
> generic documents/files if not PDFs in particular...
>
> ==ml
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Re: PDF storage software recommendations?

[Svein Skogen (Listmail Account)]

On 17.06.2010 20:55, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> We get orders for services via PDF.  We need to keep them, and call
> them up months or years later.  We'd need to find things like "all of
> the PDFs for Customer X" or "all of the PDFs for circuit ID
> such-and-such."  Surely other people have had this problem, for
> generic documents/files if not PDFs in particular...

Sounds pretty much like a database and a filestore. Database to store
all the metadata, with pointers to some machine-readable filenames for
the filestore. I seem to remember that one of my previous employers
hired some code-for-hire guys from UK setting that up (and alas bringing
Oracle salespeople inside the premises. I swear, those guys are harder
to remove than cockroaches...), but I'm sure some of the more
SQL-friendly guys than me could codify something for Postgres and give
it a nice frontend. ;)

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Re: PDF storage software recommendations?

[Roland Smith]

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 01:12:13PM -0400, Greg Larkin wrote:
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> Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have to store a bunch of PDFs of orders.  I'd like to be able to
> > "tag" these by customer, date, and a couple of other characteristics,
> > and then search and/or sort by these tags.
> > 
> > I'm certain that we have something in ports that will do this, but
> > danged if I can find a good candidate.  While I'm sure I could build a
> > database/PHP app that would work, surely someone's already done this?
> > Any recommendations?

Keep it simple. Rename the pdf files so that their names encode the data you
want. Then find(1) will do most of what you want. 

If the pdf files contain text instead of scanned images, you could probably do
the renaming automatically with the help of pdftotext(1) from the
'poppler-utils' port and your favorite scripting language.

Put them in sub-directories e.g. by year or even year/month if you've got lots.

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Re: PDF storage software recommendations?

[Michael W. Lucas]

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 01:12:13PM -0400, Greg Larkin wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have to store a bunch of PDFs of orders.  I'd like to be able to
> > "tag" these by customer, date, and a couple of other characteristics,
> > and then search and/or sort by these tags.
> > 
> > I'm certain that we have something in ports that will do this, but
> > danged if I can find a good candidate.  While I'm sure I could build a
> > database/PHP app that would work, surely someone's already done this?
> > Any recommendations?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > ==ml
> > 
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> I maintain print/pdftk, and you can edit document metadata with it.  The
> "updateinfo" subcommand should do what you want.  I found this page
> describing that and some other functions of the tool:
> http://scottnesbitt.net/ubuntublog/?p=269.

That looks like a fabulous tool, actually.  I've wanted that
functionality for years.  But it's not quite what I want.

We get orders for services via PDF.  We need to keep them, and call
them up months or years later.  We'd need to find things like "all of
the PDFs for Customer X" or "all of the PDFs for circuit ID
such-and-such."  Surely other people have had this problem, for
generic documents/files if not PDFs in particular...

==ml

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Re: PDF storage software recommendations?

[Greg Larkin]

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Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have to store a bunch of PDFs of orders.  I'd like to be able to
> "tag" these by customer, date, and a couple of other characteristics,
> and then search and/or sort by these tags.
> 
> I'm certain that we have something in ports that will do this, but
> danged if I can find a good candidate.  While I'm sure I could build a
> database/PHP app that would work, surely someone's already done this?
> Any recommendations?
> 
> Thanks,
> ==ml
> 

Hi Michael,

I maintain print/pdftk, and you can edit document metadata with it.  The
"updateinfo" subcommand should do what you want.  I found this page
describing that and some other functions of the tool:
http://scottnesbitt.net/ubuntublog/?p=269.

The only issue with pdftk right now is that it doesn't install on 6.x
due to problems with the underlying gcc Java toolchain.

Hope that helps,
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PDF storage software recommendations?

[Michael W. Lucas]

Hi,

I have to store a bunch of PDFs of orders.  I'd like to be able to
"tag" these by customer, date, and a couple of other characteristics,
and then search and/or sort by these tags.

I'm certain that we have something in ports that will do this, but
danged if I can find a good candidate.  While I'm sure I could build a
database/PHP app that would work, surely someone's already done this?
Any recommendations?

Thanks,
==ml

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RE: Small webserver recommendations

[peter harrison]

Thanks for the recommendation. I'm pretty much settled on thttpd now
though - small, does cgi, no dependencies.

Thanks,

Peter.

-Original Message-
From: Nathan Peet Maier 
Sent: 09 June 2010 23:38
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 
Subject: Re: Small webserver recommendations


There is a webserver bundled with a framework called web2py.
www.web2py.org.  You can run it as a user from BSD or Linux.
-Nate Maier
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Re: Small webserver recommendations

[Nathan Peet Maier]

There is a webserver bundled with a framework called web2py.
www.web2py.org.  You can run it as a user from BSD or Linux.
-Nate Maier
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Re: Small webserver recommendations

[Artifex Maximus]

Hello!

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 7:44 PM, peter harrison
 wrote:
> I'm looking for a small webserver to add to a nanobsd image, so preferably
> with few dependencies too. Needs to be able to run Perl cgi's as well.
> Anyone willing to make a recommendation?

nginx?

http://nginx.org/

Bye,
a
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Re: Small webserver recommendations

[andrew clarke]

On Sun 2010-06-06 18:44:10 UTC+0100, peter harrison 
(four.harris...@googlemail.com) wrote:

> I'm looking for a small webserver to add to a nanobsd image, so preferably
> with few dependencies too. Needs to be able to run Perl cgi's as well.
> Anyone willing to make a recommendation?

thttpd?

http://acme.com/software/thttpd/
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RE: Small webserver recommendations

[peter harrison]

Thanks, I never realised thttpd could run cgi. Looks simple to configure too.

Cheers,

Peter.


-Original Message-
From: andrew clarke 
Sent: 07 June 2010 11:08
To: peter harrison 
Cc: questi...@freebsd.org 
Subject: Re: Small webserver recommendations


On Sun 2010-06-06 18:44:10 UTC+0100, peter harrison
(four.harris...@googlemail.com) wrote:

> I'm looking for a small webserver to add to a nanobsd image, so preferably
> with few dependencies too. Needs to be able to run Perl cgi's as well.
> Anyone willing to make a recommendation?

thttpd?

http://acme.com/software/thttpd/
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Re: Small webserver recommendations

[Alejandro Imass]

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 5:00 PM, peter harrison
 wrote:
> Sorry for top posting (damn windows phone). I never thought of using
> Perl directly, I'll look at that, thanks for the suggestion.
>

Jajajaja. Windows Mobile sucks big time. Switch to an Android device
and support Perldroid ;-) !!!

Alex
> Peter.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alejandro Imass 
> Sent: 06 June 2010 19:58
> To: peter harrison 
> Cc: questi...@freebsd.org 
> Subject: Re: Small webserver recommendations
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:44 PM, peter harrison
>  wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I'm looking for a small webserver to add to a nanobsd image, so preferably
>> with few dependencies too. Needs to be able to run Perl cgi's as well.
>
> If you are using Perl, might as well use any of the http servers
> already implemented in Perl, for example:
> HTTP::Server::Simple, and of course it's integrated with Perl CGI
>
> Best,
> Alejandro Imass
>
>> Anyone willing to make a recommendation?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Peter.
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RE: Small webserver recommendations

[peter harrison]

Sorry for top posting (cheapo windows phone). Will it run cgi? Thanks
for the suggestion.

Peter.


-Original Message-
From: Eitan Adler 
Sent: 06 June 2010 21:42
To: peter harrison 
Cc: questi...@freebsd.org 
Subject: Re: Small webserver recommendations


On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 8:44 PM, peter harrison
 wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I'm looking for a small webserver to add to a nanobsd image, so preferably
> with few dependencies too. Needs to be able to run Perl cgi's as well.
> Anyone willing to make a recommendation?
>

lighttpd is a decent lightweight web server

% pwd
/usr/ports/www/lighttpd

% make all-depends-list
/usr/ports/devel/libtool22
/usr/ports/devel/pkg-config
/usr/ports/devel/pcre
/usr/ports/www/spawn-fcgi
/usr/ports/devel/gmake



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RE: Small webserver recommendations

[peter harrison]

Sorry for top posting (damn windows phone). I never thought of using
Perl directly, I'll look at that, thanks for the suggestion.

Peter.


-Original Message-
From: Alejandro Imass 
Sent: 06 June 2010 19:58
To: peter harrison 
Cc: questi...@freebsd.org 
Subject: Re: Small webserver recommendations


On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:44 PM, peter harrison
 wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I'm looking for a small webserver to add to a nanobsd image, so preferably
> with few dependencies too. Needs to be able to run Perl cgi's as well.

If you are using Perl, might as well use any of the http servers
already implemented in Perl, for example:
HTTP::Server::Simple, and of course it's integrated with Perl CGI

Best,
Alejandro Imass

> Anyone willing to make a recommendation?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Peter.
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