Re: time off by 30 minutes
On 9/20/2002 at 5:28 PM Len Conrad wrote: >> >>I think the problem could be the -d (debug) option to ntpdate. Try >> > >> ># rm /etc/localtime >> ># ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago /etc/localtime >> ># ntpdate time.nist.gov >> >20 Sep 08:42:52 ntpdate[71492]: step time server 192.43.244.18 offset >> >1784.223346 sec >> ^^^ > ># rm /etc/localtime > ># ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago /etc/localtime > ># date >Fri Sep 20 16:54:07 CDT 2002(wall clock is + 30 minutes from this time) > ># date 1723 >Fri Sep 20 17:23:00 CDT 2002 > ># ntpdate -b tock.jrc.us >20 Sep 16:55:49 ntpdate[8172]: step time server 65.211.109.11 offset >1780.396309 sec > ># date >Fri Sep 20 16:56:00 CDT 2002 > >Is the peecee's hardware messed up? = Probably not, the error is too consistent to be the type of hardware errors I've seen. "Something" is preventing ntpdate from setting the clock. I know that ntpd has a 1000 second maximum on clock adjustments, but I do not think that ntpdate has a similar limit. My next step would be to take ntpdate completely out of the picture. Try running date to set the clock to the correct time, then run date without any parameters to see what the time is. If you still have the 1/2 hour differential, then you have eliminated ntpdate from the mix. If you still have the error, then I would start looking at the clock-setting process within FreeBSD to see if that may be blocking the adjustment for some reason. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: time off by 30 minutes
Kent Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Len Conrad wrote: > > Any way to change the SL without rebooting, it's a busy mail gateway? > > or otherwise to override this override? > > You might be able to just drop to single user mode and set the time. No, the security-level is not lowered when you drop to single-user mode, and the kernel still enforces all the restrictions. > Changing the kern_securelevel requires rebooting. Well ... :-) If you have DDB (the kernel debugger) enabled in your kernel, then you can press Ctrl-Alt-Esc on the console (or send a Break signal if you have a serial console). At the DDB prompt, type: write securelevel 1 continue Of course, that still means you have a short downtime, because the services are unavailable while you're in DDB. But that's only a few seconds -- A full reboot would take much longer. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "All that we see or seem is just a dream within a dream" (E. A. Poe) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: time off by 30 minutes
Len Conrad wrote: > >> Are you running a kern_secure level that prevents jumps of more than 1 >> second? > > > ah, I've commented it out but the person who set ip had rc.conf with > securelevel 2. It that it?? > > dmesg: > > Time adjustment clamped to +1 second > Time adjustment clamped to +1 second > Time adjustment clamped to +1 second > Time adjustment clamped to +1 second > Time adjustment clamped to +1 second > Time adjustment clamped to +1 second > Time adjustment clamped to +1 second > Time adjustment clamped to +1 second > Time adjustment clamped to +1 second > Time adjustment clamped to +1 second > Time adjustment clamped to +1 second Yes, that is what is causing your problem. > > Any way to change the SL without rebooting, it's a busy mail gateway? > > or otherwise to override this override? You might be able to just drop to single user mode and set the time. Changing the kern_securelevel requires rebooting. Kent > > Len > > > > > www.menandmice.com/DNS-training : DNS Training > BIND8NT.MEIway.com: Secure config ; DNS and mail interactions > IMGate.MEIway.com : Free, proven config for anti-mail-abuse gateways > > > . > -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: time off by 30 minutes
>Are you running a kern_secure level that prevents jumps of more than 1 second? ah, I've commented it out but the person who set ip had rc.conf with securelevel 2. It that it?? dmesg: Time adjustment clamped to +1 second Time adjustment clamped to +1 second Time adjustment clamped to +1 second Time adjustment clamped to +1 second Time adjustment clamped to +1 second Time adjustment clamped to +1 second Time adjustment clamped to +1 second Time adjustment clamped to +1 second Time adjustment clamped to +1 second Time adjustment clamped to +1 second Time adjustment clamped to +1 second Any way to change the SL without rebooting, it's a busy mail gateway? or otherwise to override this override? Len www.menandmice.com/DNS-training : DNS Training BIND8NT.MEIway.com: Secure config ; DNS and mail interactions IMGate.MEIway.com : Free, proven config for anti-mail-abuse gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: time off by 30 minutes
Len Conrad wrote: > >> I have never got date to really change the time unless I followed the >> example of >> >> The command: >> >>date 8506131627 >> >> sets the date to ``June 13, 1985, 4:27 PM''. > > > # date 0209201743 > Fri Sep 20 17:43:00 CDT 2002 > > # ntpdate -b tock.jrc.us > 20 Sep 17:13:49 ntpdate[9542]: step time server 65.211.109.11 offset > 1778.177441 sec > > :(( > > thanks > Len Are you running a kern_secure level that prevents jumps of more than 1 second? Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: time off by 30 minutes
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Len Conrad wrote: Sorry about this late response. I'd finished the letter, about to send and my dialup quota kicked my off. In Australia, dialup is still quite popular due to ridiculous prices for even capped broadband. > > >I think the problem could be the -d (debug) option to ntpdate. Try > > # rm /etc/localtime > # ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago /etc/localtime > # ntpdate time.nist.gov > 20 Sep 08:42:52 ntpdate[71492]: step time server 192.43.244.18 offset > 1784.223346 sec > > but the correct time is 09:12 This is expected. 8:42 is the time (as your system reports) that you run ntpdate with consideration to your timezone. The offset is the difference between your system's clock and GMT. It is reporting about 30 minutes of difference when you run the command but, if things are working as they should, your new system clock should be adjusted by this amount. Consequently, if you execute the command again ntpdate time.nist.gov the offset should be something pretty close to zero and things should be fine. If not, and you are running the commands as root, then I have no idea what is wrong. Very puzzling. The only other suggestion I would make is that you run ntpd as a substitute for ntpdate. killall nptd; ntpd -q after making an /etc/ntp.conf file. Something like this should do the trick although you may want to add more servers. server time.nist.gov driftfile /var/db/ntp.drift logfile /var/log/ntp.log authenticate no Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: time off by 30 minutes
>I have never got date to really change the time unless I followed the >example of > > The command: > >date 8506131627 > > sets the date to ``June 13, 1985, 4:27 PM''. # date 0209201743 Fri Sep 20 17:43:00 CDT 2002 # ntpdate -b tock.jrc.us 20 Sep 17:13:49 ntpdate[9542]: step time server 65.211.109.11 offset 1778.177441 sec :(( thanks Len To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: time off by 30 minutes
Len Conrad wrote: > >> >>I think the problem could be the -d (debug) option to ntpdate. Try >> > >> ># rm /etc/localtime >> ># ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago /etc/localtime >> ># ntpdate time.nist.gov >> >20 Sep 08:42:52 ntpdate[71492]: step time server 192.43.244.18 offset >> >1784.223346 sec >> ^^^ > > > # rm /etc/localtime > > # ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago /etc/localtime > > # date > Fri Sep 20 16:54:07 CDT 2002(wall clock is + 30 minutes from this time) > > # date 1723 > Fri Sep 20 17:23:00 CDT 2002 I have never got date to really change the time unless I followed the example of The command: date 8506131627 sets the date to ``June 13, 1985, 4:27 PM''. Kent > > # ntpdate -b tock.jrc.us > 20 Sep 16:55:49 ntpdate[8172]: step time server 65.211.109.11 offset > 1780.396309 sec > > # date > Fri Sep 20 16:56:00 CDT 2002 > > Is the peecee's hardware messed up? > > Len > > > > > www.menandmice.com/DNS-training : DNS Training > BIND8NT.MEIway.com: Secure config ; DNS and mail interactions > IMGate.MEIway.com : Free, proven config for anti-mail-abuse gateways > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > . > -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: time off by 30 minutes
> >>I think the problem could be the -d (debug) option to ntpdate. Try > > > ># rm /etc/localtime > ># ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago /etc/localtime > ># ntpdate time.nist.gov > >20 Sep 08:42:52 ntpdate[71492]: step time server 192.43.244.18 offset > >1784.223346 sec > ^^^ # rm /etc/localtime # ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago /etc/localtime # date Fri Sep 20 16:54:07 CDT 2002(wall clock is + 30 minutes from this time) # date 1723 Fri Sep 20 17:23:00 CDT 2002 # ntpdate -b tock.jrc.us 20 Sep 16:55:49 ntpdate[8172]: step time server 65.211.109.11 offset 1780.396309 sec # date Fri Sep 20 16:56:00 CDT 2002 Is the peecee's hardware messed up? Len www.menandmice.com/DNS-training : DNS Training BIND8NT.MEIway.com: Secure config ; DNS and mail interactions IMGate.MEIway.com : Free, proven config for anti-mail-abuse gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: time off by 30 minutes
>I think that the one you want is: >ntpdate -b > >That will force the system clock to reset even if it is off by more >than the maximum allowed step. It is normally used at boot time when >you want the time to be set correctly immediately since the existing >state of the clock is unknown. # killall ntpd No matching processes were found # date Fri Sep 20 13:15:32 CDT 2002 (always 30 minutes behind wall clock) # ll /etc/localtime lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 35 Sep 20 13:17 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago # date 1346 Fri Sep 20 13:46:00 CDT 2002 # ntpdate -b time.nist.gov 20 Sep 13:16:44 ntpdate[91924]: step time server 192.43.244.18 offset 1780.295789 sec thanks anyway Len www.menandmice.com/DNS-training : DNS Training BIND8NT.MEIway.com: Secure config ; DNS and mail interactions IMGate.MEIway.com : Free, proven config for anti-mail-abuse gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: time off by 30 minutes
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:50:56 +1000 (EST) > From: Steven Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Len Conrad wrote: > > > > > > > > >Check your /etc/localtime is correct for your timezone. > > > > > >ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/ localtime > > > > > >where is the correct location. > > > > rm /etc/localtime > > > > from /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab: > > > > US +415100-0873900 America/Chicago Central Time > > US +450628-0873651 America/Menominee Central Time - Michigan - > > Wisconsin border > > US +470659-1011757 America/North_Dakota/Center Central Time - > > North Dakota - Oliver County > > > > I've tried rm old + ln new with all three of above, still 30 minutes late. > > > > Where else is this determined? > > I think the problem could be the -d (debug) option to ntpdate. Try > > ntpdate time.nist.gov > > as root and that should set your system clock to GMT. I think that the one you want is: ntpdate -b That will force the system clock to reset even if it is off by more than the maximum allowed step. It is normally used at boot time when you want the time to be set correctly immediately since the existing state of the clock is unknown. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: time off by 30 minutes
>Why dont you set it by using >date 200209201514 >and then use >ntpdate & ntpd >to keep it current afterward.. this is what I always have done, but it's not working on this machine: # killall ntp No matching processes were found # date 200209201048 Fri Sep 20 10:48:00 CDT 2002 # ll /etc/localtime lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 35 Sep 20 08:42 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago # ntpdate time.nist.gov 20 Sep 10:19:25 ntpdate[78703]: step time server 192.43.244.18 offset 1783.164410 sec # :((( >cheers! That TV show is cancelled until this problem is solved. Len To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: time off by 30 minutes
On 9/20/02 at 9:15 AM Len Conrad wrote: >>I think the problem could be the -d (debug) option to ntpdate. Try > ># rm /etc/localtime ># ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago /etc/localtime ># ntpdate time.nist.gov >20 Sep 08:42:52 ntpdate[71492]: step time server 192.43.244.18 offset >1784.223346 sec ^^^ = You might want to try manually setting the clock to be a little closer to the actual time. Also, don't use the nist server, it is already too busy. Pick a server near you from this list: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/servers.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: time off by 30 minutes
Why dont you set it by using date 200209201514 and then use ntpdate & ntpd to keep it current afterward.. cheers! At 08:41 2002-09-20 -0500, you wrote: >>Check your /etc/localtime is correct for your timezone. >> >>ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/ localtime >> >>where is the correct location. > >rm /etc/localtime > >from /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab: > >US +415100-0873900 America/Chicago Central Time >US +450628-0873651 America/Menominee Central Time - Michigan - >Wisconsin border >US +470659-1011757 America/North_Dakota/Center Central Time - >North Dakota - Oliver County > >I've tried rm old + ln new with all three of above, still 30 minutes late. > >Where else is this determined? > >Len > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: time off by 30 minutes
>I think the problem could be the -d (debug) option to ntpdate. Try # rm /etc/localtime # ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago /etc/localtime # ntpdate time.nist.gov 20 Sep 08:42:52 ntpdate[71492]: step time server 192.43.244.18 offset 1784.223346 sec but the correct time is 09:12 Len www.menandmice.com/DNS-training : DNS Training BIND8NT.MEIway.com: Secure config ; DNS and mail interactions IMGate.MEIway.com : Free, proven config for anti-mail-abuse gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: time off by 30 minutes
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Len Conrad wrote: > > > > >Check your /etc/localtime is correct for your timezone. > > > >ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/ localtime > > > >where is the correct location. > > rm /etc/localtime > > from /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab: > > US +415100-0873900 America/Chicago Central Time > US +450628-0873651 America/Menominee Central Time - Michigan - > Wisconsin border > US +470659-1011757 America/North_Dakota/Center Central Time - > North Dakota - Oliver County > > I've tried rm old + ln new with all three of above, still 30 minutes late. > > Where else is this determined? I think the problem could be the -d (debug) option to ntpdate. Try ntpdate time.nist.gov as root and that should set your system clock to GMT. Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: time off by 30 minutes
> >Check your /etc/localtime is correct for your timezone. > >ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/ localtime > >where is the correct location. rm /etc/localtime from /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab: US +415100-0873900 America/Chicago Central Time US +450628-0873651 America/Menominee Central Time - Michigan - Wisconsin border US +470659-1011757 America/North_Dakota/Center Central Time - North Dakota - Oliver County I've tried rm old + ln new with all three of above, still 30 minutes late. Where else is this determined? Len To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
time off by 30 minutes
# killall ntpd # ntpdate -db time.nist.gov 20 Sep 06:52:39 ntpdate[63322]: ntpdate 4.1.0-a Wed Aug 14 18:56:48 GMT 2002 (1) transmit(192.43.244.18) receive(192.43.244.18) transmit(192.43.244.18) receive(192.43.244.18) transmit(192.43.244.18) receive(192.43.244.18) transmit(192.43.244.18) receive(192.43.244.18) transmit(192.43.244.18) server 192.43.244.18, port 123 stratum 1, precision -17, leap 00, trust 000 refid [ACTS], delay 0.06598, dispersion 0.00110 transmitted 4, in filter 4 reference time:c1359156.3dc0980b Fri, Sep 20 2002 7:21:42.241 originate timestamp: c1359181.62f5232d Fri, Sep 20 2002 7:22:25.386 transmit timestamp: c1358a88.039830e3 Fri, Sep 20 2002 6:52:40.014 filter delay: 0.06641 0.06598 0.08263 0.06641 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 filter offset: 1785.351 1785.351 1785.343 1785.352 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 delay 0.06598, dispersion 0.00110 offset 1785.351903 20 Sep 06:52:40 ntpdate[63322]: step time server 192.43.244.18 offset 1785.351903 sec this date is late by 30 minutes according to wall clock # date 0722 Fri Sep 20 07:22:00 CDT 2002 # ntpdate -db time.nist.gov 20 Sep 06:53:06 ntpdate[63393]: ntpdate 4.1.0-a Wed Aug 14 18:56:48 GMT 2002 (1) transmit(192.43.244.18) receive(192.43.244.18) transmit(192.43.244.18) receive(192.43.244.18) transmit(192.43.244.18) receive(192.43.244.18) transmit(192.43.244.18) receive(192.43.244.18) transmit(192.43.244.18) server 192.43.244.18, port 123 stratum 1, precision -17, leap 00, trust 000 refid [ACTS], delay 0.06648, dispersion 0.00136 transmitted 4, in filter 4 reference time:c1359197.3da2d72f Fri, Sep 20 2002 7:22:47.240 originate timestamp: c135919b.6c2a8869 Fri, Sep 20 2002 7:22:51.422 transmit timestamp: c1358aa2.4cface67 Fri, Sep 20 2002 6:53:06.300 filter delay: 0.06648 0.06688 0.06660 0.08636 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 filter offset: 1785.101 1785.101 1785.101 1785.091 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 delay 0.06648, dispersion 0.00136 offset 1785.101419 20 Sep 06:53:06 ntpdate[63393]: step time server 192.43.244.18 offset 1785.101419 sec Location is KS, USA. Suggestions? Len www.menandmice.com/DNS-training : DNS Training BIND8NT.MEIway.com: Secure config ; DNS and mail interactions IMGate.MEIway.com : Free, proven config for anti-mail-abuse gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
