Re: what to do when FreeBSD cannot do something?

2010-07-09 Thread Iv Ray
On 07.07.2010, at 23:24, Henrik Hudson wrote:
 One caveat is that ESX / ESXi are very picky about their hardware
 and pretty much won't run on anything but server class devices
 (mobo, NICs and CPU are the big ones).

Yes, I'm aware of that. We have entry level, but ESXi compatible, HP and IBM 
servers.

 VMware still has their VMware
 Server (software) solution, but it's slowly being phased out. Also,
 it's against the EULA to use ESXi for commercial / reseller
 purposes and ESX isn't cheap.

Oh, wasn't aware about the ESXi EULA... will check, thank you.

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Re: what to do when FreeBSD cannot do something?

2010-07-09 Thread Iv Ray
On 08.07.2010, at 03:04, Olivier Nicole wrote:
 That's the idea: bare metal and free, proxmox has something based
 on... I don't remember. I opted for vmware becuase it seems to be more
 wide spread.

Yes, that's what I think, too.

 You will have to make your fingers dirty, because once you are
 installing any OS on a virtual machine, it is as dirty as installing
 on a bare hardware: you need to learn how to install, tune and secure
 that new OS...
 
 Good luck,

Right.

It's rather the comfort that I can have the right for every case (i. e. Oracle, 
Interbase) without asking for budget for a physical machine and having to take 
care of one more physical machine.

Thank you for your thoughts,
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what to do when FreeBSD cannot do something?

2010-07-07 Thread Iv Ray
Hello everyone,

I have been using FreeBSD since 4.x for web related applications (php, Apache, 
PostgreSQL, Postfix, Cyrus IMAP, etc.), and while I am not an expert, I feel 
quite comfortable.

Lately I find myself in situations where I have I have to take care of legacy 
Oracle (10g on Windows) and Interbase (6 on Linux) databases and sometimes 
legacy OS which need to be run for some time in a virtual machine, and I have 
difficulties to accomplish this with FreeBSD - no Oracle port, no Interbase 
port and only VirtualBox support, which is a bit unclear to me.

What is the recommended parallel way for a person, who feels comfortable with 
FreeBSD, when FreeBSD cannot do the job? - i. e. is it a good idea to go 
towards Solaris, instead of Linux? Or rather go towards some sort of Linux?

Thank you,
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Re: what to do when FreeBSD cannot do something?

2010-07-07 Thread Olivier Nicole
Hi,

 What is the recommended parallel way for a person, who feels
 comfortable with FreeBSD, when FreeBSD cannot do the job? - i. e. is
 it a good idea to go towards Solaris, instead of Linux? Or rather go
 towards some sort of Linux?

I see 2 questions in one.

What virtulization system to use? Personnally I use ESXi from vmware

What OS to use instead of FreeBSD? It depends on what is recommended
for your application, what resources you have available around you,
etc. For a similar problem I choosed Ubuntu because Ubuntu was well
supported by the application and some colleagues had a decent
knwoledge of ubuntu.

Best regards,

olivier
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Re: what to do when FreeBSD cannot do something?

2010-07-07 Thread Iv Ray
 What virtulization system to use? Personnally I use ESXi from vmware

This was a great tip, thank you. I wasn't aware that ESXi is a bare metal and 
free.

 What OS to use instead of FreeBSD? It depends on what is recommended
 for your application, what resources you have available around you,
 etc. For a similar problem I choosed Ubuntu because Ubuntu was well
 supported by the application and some colleagues had a decent
 knwoledge of ubuntu.

I am not fanatic about FreeBSD, but I feel very comfortable with it and I 
resist change. However your ESXi tip would allow me to run ESXi on bare metal 
and virtualize simple installations of the unpleasant legacy OSes without 
making my fingers too dirty.

Thank you very much,
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Re: what to do when FreeBSD cannot do something?

2010-07-07 Thread Henrik Hudson
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010, Iv Ray wrote:

  What virtulization system to use? Personnally I use ESXi from vmware
 
 This was a great tip, thank you. I wasn't aware that ESXi is a bare metal and 
 free.
 
  What OS to use instead of FreeBSD? It depends on what is recommended
  for your application, what resources you have available around you,
  etc. For a similar problem I choosed Ubuntu because Ubuntu was well
  supported by the application and some colleagues had a decent
  knwoledge of ubuntu.
 
 I am not fanatic about FreeBSD, but I feel very comfortable with it and I 
 resist change. However your ESXi tip would allow me to run ESXi on bare metal 
 and virtualize simple installations of the unpleasant legacy OSes without 
 making my fingers too dirty.
 
 Thank you very much,

One caveat is that ESX / ESXi are very picky about their hardware
and pretty much won't run on anything but server class devices
(mobo, NICs and CPU are the big ones). VMware still has their VMware
Server (software) solution, but it's slowly being phased out. Also,
it's against the EULA to use ESXi for commercial / reseller
purposes and ESX isn't cheap.

henrik
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Henrik Hudson
li...@rhavenn.net
-
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Re: what to do when FreeBSD cannot do something?

2010-07-07 Thread Olivier Nicole
  What virtulization system to use? Personnally I use ESXi from vmware
 
 This was a great tip, thank you. I wasn't aware that ESXi is a bare metal and 
 free.

That's the idea: bare metal and free, proxmox has something based
on... I don't remember. I opted for vmware becuase it seems to be more
wide spread.


  What OS to use instead of FreeBSD? It depends on what is recommended
  for your application, what resources you have available around you,
  etc. For a similar problem I choosed Ubuntu because Ubuntu was well
  supported by the application and some colleagues had a decent
  knwoledge of ubuntu.
 
 I am not fanatic about FreeBSD, but I feel very comfortable with it and I 
 resist change. However your ESXi tip would allow me to run ESXi on bare metal 
 and virtualize simple installations of the unpleasant legacy OSes without 
 making my fingers too dirty.

You will have to make your fingers dirty, because once you are
installing any OS on a virtual machine, it is as dirty as installing
on a bare hardware: you need to learn how to install, tune and secure
that new OS...

Good luck,

olivier
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